Guild Wars 2

Animus.6073:

@ Gloombot

Yet again, reading comprehension problems. I am not defending anything, nor am I asking you to switch your weapon. I said adapt or switch, which are your only two options. I assume you will adapt. Maybe others think this is just too much to handle (lol?) and they will switch.

I liked the way it was, I was used to it. It is different now and it will take a little bit of time to get used to it. I don’t want to have to, but that is the way it is. If that brands me as a fanboy, then the term really has become obsolete. Anyone who likes the game and can stomach a change even though they disagree with it is a fanboy?

@ Rio

If you can’t get used to it you may have bigger problems than ANet changing the order of some skills. You either have serious motor skill problems or you are portraying yourself as a frustrated little boy venting on a forum. I’m sorry this change has been so rough on your muscle memory.

I can’t really reply to someone who created a thread defending this change, saying they aren’t defending the change.

If you were in support of the majority guardian players’ view, you wouldn’t have created this thread.

Animus.6073:

You really didn’t just call me a fanboy…wow. Maturity is just astounding on these boards. I don’t like the change either and believe me there are plenty of issues I have with it, but seriously, it is 3 abilities that got moved. Adjust or don’t use the Greatsword.

I’m not going to get into an argument over this, I was trying to educate people on why the skills moved, not advocating for the reasoning. Improve your reading comprehension and then reply.

I don’t program or design so if it isn’t coding, then so be it. It is their style. If the skill bar setup of the Greatsword is so ingrained in your muscle memory that it bothers you this much, then you have certainly played enough to realize that ANet will not budge on their stylistic decisions.

I’ve invested over 100 gold in my current greatsword, so no, I will NOT simply “switch to another weapon”.

Fanboy or not, your defending a very poor business decision. There’s 5 people defending this, you’re one of them. EVERYONE else is complaining. So what, 99% of people are completely wrong about this and you are right, and we should be convinced to sway your way to submission?

Enerjak.2475:

I actually find it quite amusing. I imagine many of you don’t play Necromancer…

…but aside the point, Guardians stand as one of the most OP classes in spvp and WvW (I have an 80 Guardian as well). They were receiving buff after buff after buff after buff since BWE1.

Now that you take 1 little hit, there’s QQ all over the place. This amuses me.

Play a Necromancer. Try it out. Then I beckon you to review this list: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Necromancer-bugs-compilation-NB64-NT15-NP6/first

Then if this little needle prick in the infinite power of the Guardian is still so glaringly infuriating by comparison, you may wear a fancy new Dunce hat and sit with your nose in the corner.

I play both classes and can tell you I’ve only found 1 bug with the necromancer.
Necromancers overall have been balanced or even buffed since release.

Guardians have been nerfed each patch since release (go back and read please) and have been the only class to experience complete reworking of their skill slots without ability to reorder them without rebinding and screwing up 3 other weapon sets in the process.

I can link the guardian bug thread, too. I’ll just direct you to the sticky at the top of this page though.

I love how Guild Wars 2 is pretty much the only MMO that doesn’t allow you to reorder your skill bars completely, (even its predecessor allowed this), changes everything your muscle memory knew about playing the class with a particular (some would vouch for the most effective) weapon for a class…

… and the fanboys and interweb “hardcores” come out of the woodwork and tell you to get over it.

This was a bad business execution. Sure we could adapt, but for how long? Do we have to relearn every time they nerf us? (which for this class is every single patch, trending.)

It’s already built in to be able to drop skills where you want (as with utility slots) why can we NOT have that flexibility with our weapon skills? Please answer me that mr. fanboy. I’m a developer, this is not a hard thing to implement. Why would it be making an exception in “their” coding? We can rebind the keys anyways, our client UI setup has almost nothing to do with how it’s interpreted on the server side.

Get over your own ego and start playing like a paying customer, like the rest of us who are disappointed.

Nystal.5491:

I believe the numbers should have been tuned and abilities left as they were, or at least give us the power to move the buttons around ourselves to suit our playstyle!

This. Why was this even considered without this mechanic in place?? The ability to set the order of skills personally needs to be implemented immediately. I pretty much completely refuse to relearn this new skill order.

Also it is on their suggestion page. There’s about a dozen topics all over this official site about it. They obviously screwed up. More people are mad about the skill bar change than the actual nerf, and I understand why. As a gamer, you get used to up and down nerfs or buffs. But you start changing our keybindings and crap around that’s like touching a man’s stereo presets.

I’d like to sign this petition. I fully agree. There’s a million threads about this everywhere, it’s CLEAR the user base is NOT happy with this change. Keep making posts everyone, ANET needs to be called out on this mistake, seriously. Most game-breaking change made to a class yet.

Your analogy is perfect.

ANET- you ruined 300+ hours of muscle memory. Being that this is one of the few MMOs that doesn’t allow its users to manipulate the positioning of their attack skills, please change this back. You’ve completely ruined the class for me, and it was the only reason I decided to transition from beta – release.

You’ve angered EVERYONE from guardian class, and benefited no one, and this change was definitely NOT suggested by a gamer. A GAMER would NEVER suggest that change without the ability for the end user to modify or deny the change in skill slots.

Secondly, any noob that says “OH JUST REBIND YOUR KEYS”, please get intelligent enough to try this yourself before suggesting. It changes your secondary weapon as well, it changes your underwater weapon, and your secondary underwater weapon. So by returning 1 weapon to the “old way” we’ve screwed up 3 other weapon rotations/skill locations.

Whatever about retaliation, that’s for another thread…

For the love of GOD, change my freaking skill slots back. 300+ hours of muscle memory is completely shot. Sign me up on whatever petition, because I’m definitely P.O’d about this change. What kind of non-gamer suggested this without the ability to change it?? And before anyone says “rebind your keys”, FYI that screws up your alternative weapon, your underwater weapons… etc. So by fixing 1 you screw up 3 others.

This is HORRIBLE.

I tried reassigning my skills to what it was before. Not only does how they changed it feel less intuitive, reassigning them messed up my alternative weapon AND my underwater weapons. /sigh

What the h3|| anet.
Why would you simply not allow people to reorder skills or deny this change.
So we have to relearn our weapon, our muscle and keyboard memory? What about other classes, you should change their most popular weapon skill slots around to balance this.

/sarcasm

Wow. Just wow. Anet is messing up. Logged in for 30 minutes today, tops. Since release it’s been hours+/per day.

Slyder.9215:

I personally don’t think it’s fair to call out the entire server of Yak’s for the hacking of a few players.

But yeah, maybe people just don’t like the name of the server? >_>
Is Yak’s Bend supposed to be a real location in the lore or something? Sorry, not that informed about place names.

Yeah but they’ve done this every matchup, from different guilds. Was kaon before, now it’s projekt mayhem or whatever. To a degree, since it’s reoccurring on their server more than any other server, I’d say they have to own some of it.

If enemies can nab the hackers in videos and screenshots, Yak’s easily can too, and they actually see the names and have way more opportunity to report them.

You can still report hackers/exploiters without knowing their name by using the report method.

People will call other people out for crap on the forum using their name. So instead of an entire thread just dedicated to a server matchup, you’ll have a million threads about Johnny215555.1343.

People will spam other people in WvW during fights or simply would spam /whispers to commanders 24/7.

You can build a reputation, with your server. Other servers aren’t as important because the matchups change every week.

I’d rather them take off name tags entirely to allow more use of terrain, hiding, etc tactics.

Lol try guardian if you are complaining about warrior. Warriors have it GOOD compared to guardians in terms of ranged options and viability.

But I’d have to argue against melee being useless. Learn how to move, learn how to gain strategic advantage based on location/ambushes and cover terrain. I got over 1500 kills in a week in WvW on my guardian (I’ve heard other classes get more, but still I think 1500 kills in a week isn’t anything to scoff at), I’d have to definitely say we aren’t useless.

You, Kimosabe… must learn the art of diving.

We talking alphas only?

Seen 5-7 Omegas before.

People would rather have a sure thing than a challenge.

There’s no reason not to be doing this because the free transfers, once those stop it’s going to be hard to move an entire guild. Right now there’s really no excuse, especially for the 100+ member guilds that could genuinely make a difference on their own.

Hackuuna.4085:

Pretty sure gloombots means he has 3000 defense and his stats are achievable having a high score in your WvW and all 3 orbs plus 25 stacks of healing. i.e. wear some power/tough/vit with power/tough/heal gear.

I have a guardian and under that circumstance I can easily top 3000 defense with 17k hp and 1700 healing so if I switch out 600 healing for vitality I’m sure I’d come close to what he has.

Yep exactly hackuuna. Actually my hp with our Maguuma orb bonuses of 15% and other WvW bonuses ends up over 22-23k somewhere. The only reason I have high HP is for falling damage, since I am not specc’d in the trait that reduces it, but am VERY tempted to.

It’s a really fun build and I find I die only when I want to if that makes sense. All my deaths are purposeful, for one reasoning or another. If I don’t want to die, I won’t. I notice other guardians I face that are built similar and play similarly to me are next to impossible to kill as well.

Their nearby teammates are twice as hard to kill too, as are mine.

I roll with warriors all the time, they’re beasts. I’m just saying, Guardian is a really fun class IMO.

I’d recommend you start as soon as you are interested and start getting the strategy and lingo down ASAP.

Level does very little to matter, don’t let it be a deterrent, especially when you’re manning siege equipment.

Guess it depends on the player behind the keyboard. I’ve always either killed thieves, or made them realize their attempts to kill me are so futile they invis and run away eventually.

We should have SO much condition removal and regen that poison and other conditions are non issues. The problem is so many guardians spec for Power/Precision/Crit greatsword burning damage builds, and they’re terrible except in PVE where everything is easy anyways.

Even saw one guy in Lion’s Arch recommend a high condition damage build for guardian… I was like 0.o

Balance it with some jewelry.
I have 21k health in my Power/Toughness/Heal gear, over 3000 toughness and over 1100 healing power. I can fully heal myself twice in like 30 seconds. So essentially I have 60k health.

Yak’s has some pretty good players in it. In fact out of all the servers I’ve faced so far, they’re the only server where some of the players will win against the group I’m in with around even numbers. Usually the people I roam with have no problem taking 2x their number on, especially if we can choose where we are fighting.

They have some 3-5 man groups that roam around that are -very- good.

Their zerg just needs to be a little more aggressive! But overall a really good server to transfer on if you don’t want high queues or population issues (small or large).

I’ve been enjoying facing their night crew.

One of his buddies could have targeted you and he could have assisted.
Also if you go against the wall, turn your back to it and zoom all the way out you can shift the camera to see almost an entire battlements above you.

Guardian for sure.
Causing thieves to kill themselves is so entertaining.

Also, dropping reflection wall on a door being sieged is just LOL with numbers.
You do 10s of thousands of damage every second with that.

You have to spec right though, survivability. That mean Power/Toughness/Heal gear.
Boon time, shouts, and ground targeting consecrations.

Love it. Our queues are going up.

I’ve been spending about 3-5 gold a night on upgrades/siege… but it’s all money I make doing WvW.

Love that WvW pays for itself.

Maguuma was down 10,000. Now we’re ahead by over 50,000. It can be done, I think 2 weeks is absurd, but 1 week, probably the max.

Honestly I feel like we could lose our lead at any time still lol we’re all paranoid and staying up forever, not wanting to lose the lead we have developed.

Here here. Be more selfless in WvW guys! Many do this, but I’d say the vast majority do not!

In response to waypointing the garrison>>
What are we supposed to do? Not touch it at all?

We can’t even get pubbies to stop defending it. Every 10 minutes in team chat we get pubbies saying “Garrison under attack.” We reply with: Bro. It’s bugged. We don’t know why but don’t even both defending it. You act like we’re launching entire invasions from there.

We pretty much completely ignore it, and the waypoint doesn’t work 90% of the time.

1. Please provide proof that Maguuma has hacked. Otherwise, stop with the false accusations. As stated we WILL stand behind anti-hacking and will immediately report any of this behavior. We’ve provided actual evidence of hacking against us. It’s not hard to provide when it’s legitimately happening to you over and over.

2. The garrison bug has happened against us before. It’s happening on several other servers. It’s already been acknowledged in a DEV post that this is a bug, and they are working to fix it. Clearly it’s ANETs problem, not ours. What can we do now? We can’t even LET you have it but TRUST me. If we could abandon it, just so you could take it, and allow us to siege/retake it, we would do it in a heartbeat just to stop all this nonsense like it’s some massive armageddon against your hopes and dreams.

3. There’s been a ton of proof against any kind of alliance. There’s half a dozen or more posted screenshots of TC and Mag attacking each other. Enough of that garbage. The people TRYING to find truth in it are going to, because they’re completely delusional about the facts and are simply trying to invalidate their loss any way possible.

4. Yesterday Dreaming Bay was being simultaneously attacked by Yak’s and Ebay. Ebay from the north-east gate and yak’s from the southern gate, both breached the outer gates several times. According to Ebay, this is clearly an organized alliance at least by “some guilds” on both servers. << HOW EBAY SEES THINGS.
…or that’s stupid, and we simply are leading right now so we’re going to take heat from both teams. << HOW MAG SEES THINGS.

I roam solo almost 50% of the time.

Small parties and 3v3/3v5/3v? fights are my favorite though. I don’t think it’s dead, I think the giant red nametag inhibits us a little. Can’t be as sneaky when you’re behind a rock and they still see your bright red nametag. Other than that, there’s plenty of space to roam and kill lone reinforcements or people running supplies, etc.

Slamz.5376:

And in doing so, they made themselves the natural target of their opponents because that early into the week, you cut off potential leads faster before they can snowball into something that can’t be stopped.

I don’t really buy this. Or at any rate you’d think that going into the 4th day, with Maguuma in a solid lead, Yak’s would realize that maybe they should, I dunno, let us beat up Maguuma rather than constantly defending ourselves against Yak attacks?

That is, if there is intelligence at work, as you claim, then they should have switched targets right around the middle of Saturday. I think there’s no real intelligence behind most of what happens. It’s pure zerg power. Yak’s pushed through Dredge and attacked Anzelias to their doom at least 15 times yesterday. Highly predictable. Dredge -> Supply camp -> Anz. Over and over. Despite Maguuma being in the lead. Despite us intentionally leaving dredge unturned sometimes just to try and avoid the backlash. Despite Anz being impossible for them to crack for hours on end.

They just kept coming. And each time we’d have to divert some anti-Maguuma forces to clear them off the tower.

Intelligent backlash because of a Friday lead?

No.

It’s just the mindless zerg. I suspect Yak is kind of like Ehmry in that there are few, if any, large, dominant guilds providing good overall direction. It’s mostly zerg hive mind.

Some suggest that Maguuma continues to target us because they’re bitter about being crushed by Tarnished Coast, but I think it’s mostly just the bugged garrison that landed in their favor making it appear that way. Arenanet couldn’t be bothered to do anything about it for the first 3 days (and counting) of a 7 day match… A number of EB players gave up the match and turned to PvE basically saying “I’ll be back when the bugs get fixed.”

Losing an entire map to a bug is pretty disappointing. Without garrison it’s much harder to attack the side keeps, much less hold them.

Always a sympathy-seeking excuse as to why we ever attack you. Last week it was a secret “alliance” because we were fighting for second… this week it’s because a garrison bugged (in our favor, I’ll admit, but without proof, not by our actions).

Really, what you’re saying is Maguuma has no excuse last match up, and this one, to attack Ebay, ever, should ignore all attacks or opportunities left by Ebay, and should never even queue in their battlegrounds.

By Ebay’s logic, whichever server is in the lead should never attack anyone. Just sit in what they own and defend until pushed back to their default holdings til everything is even, then we should evenly distribute our forces down to the man between the other 2 servers fronts.

Fights are going to be imperfectly calculated, either in the enemies favor or yours… Please. Please get over this already.

This post happens in every single matchup. It’s seriously old.
Seriously same thing Maguuma was accused of last matchup by Ebay.

It comes down to opportunity, and the fact that pubby zergs have a mind of their own. Once the snowballing starts, you can’t convince them to turn around and seek a different objective, they’ll keep on the path til they completely wipe.

For what it’s worth, the treb’s placed on garrison that shoot down on WEST KEEP that are ‘untouchable’ are actually able to be killed by placing ballistas and using their second ability near the sentry location.

Yak’s did this to us on Mag borderlands. Then we used the same tactic against them on their own borderlands. So they’re not untouchable.

Even with that counter, it’s still a great location to siege from, and I think most servers will continue to do it.

Our queues on Maguuma are similar to the Ehmry bay queues. Outside US prime time, there are no queues also.

Yesterday was actually the first time since I transferred to Maguuma weeks ago that all 4 maps had a queue (wasn’t more than a few mins but still), at least in the hours I’ve played.

I’m sure it does. We’ve all had morale issues on servers. Lots of people even transferred, some of my friends did too. I guess you have to be above it and realize it’s gonna hit every server eventually. Even queue times on winning servers being 5 hours in a way is demoralizing.

You have to try and stay positive in chat and eliminate all that garbage and just play as hard and as fast and as organized as you guys can. It doesn’t matter if you hold up in one keep and basically be like, “YOU SHALL NOT PASS”. You have to find small victories and keep things light-hearted in chat or you risk driving everyone off your server.

I don’t even think Maguuma has won a matchup yet, seriously our morale is something we’ve constantly battled and have really changed some things organizationally to help with it.

There are still 3 other maps. You guys give up way too easy.

Ugh, the people saying “spying is legitimate” or “alls fair in love and war” are getting annoying. Sure I agree, spying is legit. It happens, log in and relay info on team chat or map chat I get it. That’s happened in all MMOs. But if you pulled this crap in UO or Darkfall you’d get PVPed to death by your own server/team.

I say if you make this doable, make being able to openly kill these people in response doable, for committing treason. Have some kind of map vote that either expels that person from using supplies on the map or become attack-able as a traitor.

Getting hit by trebs at certain locations that aren’t able to be countered has happened against us in every single matchup by every single server and isn’t something I’d call an exploit.

I highly doubt the keep was bugged intentionally or the same people would do it to every single keep on the map, cuz why not? (I disagree with exploiting but lets be honest, cheaters don’t.) So more than likely this was Anet’s fault and nothing intentional by Mag against Ebay.

Yak’s Bend did have at least 1 hacker on early Saturday morning. The orb was just 1 hacking maneuver that was conducted against Ebay and Mag. Mag had some things done to it to (not orb, ours was bugged “thankfully”) but locations were taken.

Lastly, I won’t go on to keep the alliance rumors from last week alive, but any people who are claiming TC and Mag didn’t fight in Eternal last week are completely ignorant. We’ve posted a dozen screenshots of scores, being spawn camped in Eternal by TC, and other things. I have many of these screenshots, so unless you have counter evidence (how could you) please stop spreading lies. It’s really giving Ebay a worse name.

As for Maguuma, good job guys! Love that we’re finally uniting and having some good communication and working better as a team. Special thanks to Goon and SFD which have really stepped it up and provided a good venue for us all to unite on. Really has changed my perception on you guys.

Forgive me, because I’m pretty oblivious to how the bugging of keeps works because I’ve never sought to intentionally bug anything for an advantage.

…but how is the “keep” bugging done by Maguuma? As a Mag player I’m just curious as to the exact specifics, so that it can be determined that it was done “intentionally” through an exploit, and isn’t simply one of the 100s of bugs that exist in the game at the fault of ArenaNet, completely separate of Maguuma. Maybe it’s Maguuma that benefited from it, but that doesn’t necessarily imply that they intentionally did it for an advantage without knowing the mechanics of the “bugging out”.

I don’t condone hacking or exploits at all, and have witnessed at least 2 events against us (Maguuma) Saturday morning by Yak’s Bend. Namely, flying people who are Mesmers dropping portals for zergs to ninja cap. Hopefully, or most likely, it was the same hacker that abused the orb against Ebay.

But if the bugging of the keep is something that is done intentionally… then yeah that sucks. Sorry guys. So can someone explain? Cuz it’s hard to separate the real excuses from all the other ones Ebay keeps pumping out about not winning.

Thanks for this Anet. Some people selfishly don’t get it. I’m busy during the day, I can only play late night.

I shouldn’t have features of the game taken or way or be forced to play on an EU server because of it. Seriously guys, it’s a game. Chill about it.

whiran.1473:

Klawlyt.6507, next match-up, want to ally?

This has been the best match-up so far for me. I’ve enjoyed the match and I had to laugh a few times. For example, this morning (I’ve been trying to check out all the different maps at different times when I can) I saw EB and Mag going at it when there was a skeleton crew of TCs online.

I think TC had ~30 players all told on and had control of most of the map. EB and Mag started taking everything back (since 30 people really can’t defend the entire map especially when at least 10 are off doing whatever they do) but stopped to fight over Bravos.

It was great. The two “organized” zergs wiped one another. That broke the momentum and even though both servers had more people on than TC at that one particular moment in time (TC definitely had more people on earlier) the two teams were fighting one another and not TC.

I don’t know if that’s what has been going on all week or not but it was amusing. I had to solo defend twice – lost one outpost to tkitten group of 35 (being dead on the ground allows for a good counting opportunity) and the other I “defended” ’cause Mag and EB went at it at the gate.

I think this is because a lot of people want to find fights in PVP. Sure the alternative is go and PVE~ cap a bunch of undefended TC stuff, but I think the mentality was about Mag-vs-Ebay for second, and since we both fielded the largest forces during that time we just wanted to decimate the other lol.

Lol. Who is playing for second now?

Mag borderlands has been swarmed with us getting double teamed by TC and Ebay all day.

Doesn’t matter. Any proof we show of no alliance is completely ignored.

There. is. no. alliance.
There. is. no. chat. about. helping. TC server.

Show proof. Please. Otherwise it’s all in your head. You’re reading into power plays we might be making.

If anything, almost all chat about strategies on locations to hit have been about targeting TC targets, NOT ebay targets. 99% of the time it’s about TAKING BACK our own kitten. It’s not even about expanding because 99% of the time TC owns 90+% of the entire WvW map. Your camps might get hit by some of our 3-5 person roam squads, but that doesn’t constitute conspiracy and alliance. They’re probably doing a circuit around the entire map capping EVERY sentry and EVERY supply camp.

Let me rephrase. Taking back targets that are ours from Ebay that have been taken from us, BY them, does -not- constitute harassing or teaming against you, or focusing on you instead of TC.

When TC owns 90% of the map, why the kitten would we trudge through their entire zerg territory to take over your little 10% that’s already being sieged by TC’s second zerg. That would put BOTH TC’s zergs (that each outnumber ours 2:1) on us. Your guys’ entire server is turning into a joke. I used to have respect for Ebay, but it’s dwindling with all this imaginary alliance nonsense.

I agree with the final comment but don’t agree with the others.

100gold is high, yet realistic and attainable even by small guilds. I think you misrepresent what a commander is. They’re used now to lead zergs around, but realistically they were intended to be for guilds moving around together, not the entire server.

Lol. So GOON said some crap and it represents the whole Mag server? When I play WvW I see 2-3 people from SFD and 1-2 people from GOON, tops.

GOON will burn out on this game in like 2-3 months like they do every game that’s -not- EVE. Real Mag players don’t hold their breath for GOON to do anything, let alone have voted for them to represent us in any way.

Sorry, but if you are feeding into that, GOON trolls > you.

Lol spongehunter is the type that is giving Ebay server a bad name. Sad.

spongehunter and associated conspiracy theorists: since you STILL don’t understand, I drew some “pictures” for you to explain.

Spongehunter.1743:

Lets gets some facts here becuase most of the post are BS.

1. Mag and TC paired up at the start even before fighting against EB.
2. Mag is so dumb that they agreed to this knowing they could not win
3. Even today with a huge lead MAG and TC are STILL teaming against EB.
4. Both MAG and TC are trash and would have lost iff they didnt nutcup each other.
5. EB regardless of numbers has better Wvwers on it then either MAG or TC.
This match was ruined from the start which is a shame becuase it would have been a great battle
6. TC when it moves up next week will get crushed by whoever they play.
7. MAG next week will try to team up with again another server becuase they are not capiable of winning by themselves.
8. EB next week will move down a tier becuase we got 2v1 and crush whoever we face which will lead to another 2v1
9. 2 v 1 ’s and night capping will end this game. Check the logs this week already had a 20% reduction in players This trend will continue. If these are not fixed all the real pvp (not pvx who are really pve guilds) will hang until nov when df2 comes out and this will be left to the wow pvpers who really have no idea what pvp really is/.
10. The biggest shame of all is TC outmans both servers and has a bigger night early morning EST group then both. but yet they still needed a 2v1 …

Lastly regardless of this i had a fun week 2v1 and my group embarressed MAg and TC all week while outnumbered upwards of 10 to 1. thanks for the 5k kills and 2k badges..

LOL. I don’t see any facts listed there, at all.
BTW, which group are you? You seem to think you’re completely hot kitten.
I’ve never lost a match against evenly numbered people yet in groups I’ve been in for WvW, so I don’t know where this utter domination in skills you seem to think you have is coming from. You must be wiping our bots all day and /flexing

In 15 years of MMO gaming I think the EBAY conspirators might just be the whiniest bunch of PVPers I’ve ever witnessed. It’s sad really, because you guys can field some good fights sometimes (since we are more evenly matched numbers wise than TC, which just zergs us)

Supersun.4603:

gloombot.3519:

I see us play ruthlessly against anyone -not- Maguuma, honestly.

This sure as hell isn’t playing to win when TC has +50% more score then you.

Really, you guys essentially handed this victory to TC on a silver platter. We could of had an awesome week of fighting if you guys had started singling out TC a few nights ago, but now from the way things are looking it’s just going to be TC snowballing for the rest of the week because Ebay’s and Mag’s population are starting to die off.

There have been some ridiculous double standards going on.
Ebay takes an early lead. LET’S DOUBLE TEAM THEM! TC takes the lead. Ehh, we’re going to be over here harassing Ebay while they are actually trying to fight TC.
Night time and low population right now? SEND EVERYONE TO EBAY BORDERLANDS! Don’t bother sending many to Mag’s borderlands.

Let’s get something straight, when we do focus on TC, Ebay is right there to gank our behinds somewhere.

It happened the other night with the siege on SM. We were already on inner wall and would have taken it if you guys didn’t storm in.

It happens almost everytime we move SW in EB towards TC’s lands, you come up and take Umb and then start working our towers. Unfortunately we are shooting for first but it’s pretty much unattainable, between Ebay and Mag we’re making sure we hold second AT LEAST, and you WANT to try and at least grab second, so you find it easier to hit our stuff while we hit TC’s, hoping to sneak second, because of course TC would take it’s stuff back first, giving you guys double time to make maneuvers. I’m not saying it’s not expected, it is. I’m saying stop blowing every single action and reaction on the field into a stupid conspiracy, it’s utterly pathetic at this point. I don’t think we took 1 thing from Ebay in EB while I played tonight except Umb camp back several times. We hit TC holdings EXCLUSIVELY.

I give you a challenge. Transfer to Maguuma and play with us tomorrow night. I’ll even add you to friends. I guarantee you’ll see things different. I play after midnight PST.

TC has 50%+ more score than us because they field 4x our numbers, AT LEAST, 24/7. It has nothing to do with decision making. We’re simply outmanned.

The only time we even harass Ebay is when you guys harass us (we simply take our stuff back, AKA “harassment” according to Ebay conspiracy theorists)

… or when we want to draw TC’s ridiculously manned zerg into your territories by taking something near your two’s borderlands to cause you to fight each other for a bit, giving us an opportunity to reclaim our lost stuff or take a few of TCs.

We simply don’t have the man power to go tow to tow with TC, so we have to employ those types of tactics to give us breathing room.

Mag and Eternal have most of our numbers during the night BTW, not Ebay borders.

For WvW – Cleric’s, no doubt about it.

If you’re soloing in WvW you’re doing it wrong. You don’t have to zerg, but you should be rolling in a group of 3-5 at least.

That makes your toughness and survivability, on top of healing power (giving others survivability), KEY to fights.

I can heal over 20k health to those around me every 40 seconds, that’s without popping my elite and using the good book.

What’s pay to win in GW2??

Is that where you sheepishly pay for something, and I still win?

Almost every other official game forum for an MMO has individual Server forums hosted by the game company (in this case, would be ArenaNet)

Is this in the making or what.
I’d like to suggest this.

Hmm… seems a little low yeah. Maybe it gets scaled back at lower levels?

Have you noticed you are getting more as you reach higher levels?

Yep, good fights tonight, in EB.

I could really see TC and DB getting paired up again because TC is going up because this win and DB going down, should put them on even tier again.

/sigh at all the “play for seconds”. I see us play ruthlessly against anyone -not- Maguuma, honestly. Just because we’ll end up second doesn’t mean that’s what we were shooting for, it was definitely not (if you’re not first – you’re last!). And TBH – most of the WvW force I see out there on the regular is not Goon. They have commanders but I don’t see their guild in force out there, at least at night.