Guild Wars 2

stupid idea, there would be people walking around with a new legendary every 2 weeks

It better! I would think atleast 50% of the people who transmuted their legendaries, did it atleast twice

People who make an ascended weapon would opt to keep that instead of using their excess karma/badges/dung tokens on just finishing a legendary?

Don’t kid yourself, this idea is terrible and anet would lose a large portion of their playerbase if there was no value to their endgame gear.

There would be absolutely nothing legendary about it if you could get a precursor for 200g, and if it was readily accountbound for all characters.

If they ever implemented an idea to make precursors readily available to everyone, they better compensate by making it require 2x the rest of the mats. I don’t understand why everyone has this casual mentality that everyone is entitled to walking around with multiple legendaries? Where’s the fun of seeing 50 twilights standing around near the bank instead of the 5 or more that we already do?

So basically everyone craft a precursor within the time-gated 2 weeks? And instead of dozens of legendaries in every corner, we see everyone run around with multiple ones?

No thanks. Worst idea I’ve ever heard, no wonder devs don’t take these suggestions seriously.

Just a very honest question. I understand NCsoft’s future game plans are more traditional style, but seems this is their one game which they’ve done everything in their power to cater to casuals and nothing more. Time-gated progression, majority of the skins available to anyone who has a bank account, and not many rewards that are exclusive to the people who put in the time for them (FOTM back piece, or liadri mini for example).

Is this the direction we’re headed? Any cool new skins locked away behind RNG gemstore chests, or new items locked away behind a meta achievement from 2 week updates? Like, I understand all that.. but I’m starting to feel all the money I’ve poured into the gem store isn’t even resulting in any new challenging content even being developed.. there’s literally no content exclusive awards besides FOTM skins and back, otherwise everything else could simply be bought and is available to everyone.

I think ultimately, trying to continually cater to the casual consumer base is going to alienate a lot of players who are growing tired of waiting for some challenging content to come their way for once. And instead of gaining revenue, ultimately it’ll just push away the ones who are currently so involved with the game.

Anyone disagree? Anyone else think there’s no challenging content or exclusive rewards and we’re simply getting fed temporary farming options every 2 weeks?

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

That seems to be a double standard. Solo’ing lupi isn’t a challenge because it’s just learning a fight, however 8 orb Liadri is/was?

You can learn the 8 orb fight, and still not be able to do it on many classes. Did anyone realistically have an easier time on 8 orb Liadri then on lupi? Solo’ing lupi has become more about how fast someone can do it, not if it can be done.

Great ideas, bumping.

Why do you even run fractals then, nmoral? You don’t want their skins, you claim ascended rings an fractal skins are stockpiling in your bank, and the loot/money is crap compared to other things to do in the game.

So why do you even run fractals? Or even care? I think you’re just looking for a quick way to make gold by wanting to sell the skins that you already have, which is why so many of us are against changing the skins. If they can be sold on TP, then the value and exclusivity is completely lost.

Bright.9160:

I’d hardly call Fractals the best/most challenging content in the game…

There’s no challenge in tediously large health pools and increasing amounts of damage.

High level Fractals just take more time, and only slightly more coordination, but most importantly, more time.

What’s more challenging then progressing to level 80 FOTM? Only thing that was tougher was the Liadri 8 orb achievement, otherwise no other content is even remotely challenging. Solo’ing lupi is all about learning the fight, if you consider that ‘challenging’ then I don’t know what to say.

Anyways, point is yes we don’t really have any challenging PVE content, but the closest would be higher FOTM and the rewards are lackluster compared to other aspects of the game.

Actually a different thread about skins sort of sparked this thought. It’s going to be nearly a year since the release of FOTM, and arguably by many it’s currently the best/most challenging endgame content this game currently has. So how come we haven’t seen any added unique rewards or incentives for fractals then?

It’s a bit surprising that every other aspect of the game has seen advancement of some sort (Dungeon loot has gotten buffed, champion loot has gotten buffed, WvW rewards buffed, new sPvP maps and trait changes, living story progression, etc), but one of their most popular content hasn’t received any additional maps/rewards/buffs to loot at all.

FOTM is like currently the only slightly challenging endgame content, and in many peoples’ opinion also the best endgame content we currently have. If anything, they need to add more unique rewards and incentives for people to keep running fractals.

Dungeon loot gets a buff, champion loot gets a buff, and even get rank chests in WvW now. Why are there no new incentives for people to do FOTM?

To the OP: I agree legendaries shouldn’t be sellable, but neither should fractal skins. Giving everyone access to every skin in the game that can simply be bought by gold without putting any effort in = fail

Sadly, opinions are only getting worse as the day progressed. I enjoy a lot of their updates, and hype up a lot of them to guildies right before release. But this update so far has been such a disappointment (especially for marking the 1 year anniversary) to many people, that I’m honestly a bit surprised that there’s not more criticism on the forums regarding this. If it was just my opinion, then it would be no big deal. But just seems many, many people ingame are quite disappointed at this content.

+1 to the worst update in months

Liadri > Scarlett

Is this really the same group of people who worked on the previous patch? The content is so vastly different and mind-numbingly repetitive and brainless, that just can’t believe it was developed right after the gauntlet.

Bored of it already, as are many other people ingame.

Boring

15char

Sinoran: I’m not sure you’re familiar enough with the new content yet. It is literally just a zergfest. Maybe your definition of a zerg is my definition of a large zerg. And yes I’ve tried the content, taking down Scarlett on three different maps so far.

Content is simply boring and silly and people are going to quickly become bored within a couple of days. Devs are losing insight on what’s going to continue to peak interest in this game, if they think replacing content like gauntlet with something as silly as this update is their solution to generating more interest for their players.

Is this guy serious? I’m sorry but it seems this guy is just flooding the forums with all his troll threads.

He made a thread asking for deadeye to be nerfed, and then made a huge thread thanking anet for nerfing deadeye so he can ‘move on to other aspects of the game’.

And now he’s made a new thread asking for advice and builds on how to efficiently farm it again. I’m sorry I never personally call anyone out on the forums like this, but there’s something intrinsically wrong with this person.

Maybe he’s the type of person that appreciates something that challenges him, and feels fulfilled when able to overcome the challenge through perseverance.

That hardly makes him love pure torture. Rather, it just makes you bitter when others enjoy content that you don’t.

+1

Absolutely loved the update and am desperately hoping we get a lot more content such as this. It’s finally nice to see anet somewhat recognize that it gets very boring for a lot of players to have nothing but completely faceroll content.. over and over again. I hope anet continues to bring out some challenging content once in a while

This was probably one of the best updates since the introduction of fractals

Nick.6972:

How is one single arena, like 0.001% of the all content, making GW2 less casual?
Don’t like it, don’t do it. There’s plenty of content out there that is fun and easy.

Quoted for truth.

To the OP: Chill out, there’s a million things for you to do ingame that caters to your preferences, just because there’s one piece of small content that is finally difficult, isn’t enough reason for people to cry that the game is becoming less casual.

The biggest fault of GW2 is the fact that nothing in this game is challenging. Even getting to fractals level 80 wasn’t really challenging, it was simply a grindfest. So yes it’s to many of us it’s absolutely refreshing and encouraged to have difficult content once in a while.

I’m not sure the need to be so blatantly selfish and expect every aspect of the game be completely catered for a person.. I’m all for creating as much diverse content as possible so that all sorts of people may experience and have content that they’ll enjoy.

It’s still the first week, I bet within couple of weeks so many more people will have this achievement done and stop flooding the forums with silly complaints

I highly doubt they’d make it Lightbringer

Either way, any title is better than no title :/

Fine if not for this achievement, there should atleast be on for completing all the gauntlet achievements.

Something like Champion of the Gauntlet

+1 at retro-active title for this specific achievement

I mean c’mon, how could there be oversight on a title for THE HARDEST SOLO CONTENT ACHIEVEMENT in the game? There’s a title for almost everything, I’m still surprised there isn’t one for this.

People aren’t asking for a special skin, or special item for being able to do this achievement. Just a title.

A great idea would be to continue this concept somehow.. this game needs more endgame content and if there was some sort of progression involved with gauntlet, it’d be great and quite addictive for many players. Kind of how like FOTM is a team progression, this could be revamped for solo progression content.

agreed /signed

15char

no, how’s that relevant though? are they blatantly more favored? I haven’t tried it on necro yet personally

Guys I really am not trying to sound elitist or anything, but it’s a very fair boss. I know everyone has a different perceptions of what is fair and what isn’t, but can we all agree that it’s a step in the right direction to finally introduce some non-faceroll content? I would love things like the camera angles and blinding colors attack to be polished up for everyone, but it was just refreshing for once to have to fail at content continuously and working towards learning the fight completely until it could finally be finished.

I agree with alot of what you guys are saying, but even with some of it’s problems it’s still one of the better content implementations that we’ve had in a while.

by far the most difficult pve content in the game btw

before the cap, people could get to fractal level 81. Just have to have someone in party to open up those levels (not many of them, mostly from the same guild on TC)

people melee bloom even at fotm lvl 70+

There’s alot of uncalled for backlash. The guy made a thread which has many very use-able builds for people to try out and experiment with, and if I were a new necro I’d find this thread to be a great starting point to learn a variety of builds post-patch. He’s even taking the time to answer questions that people are posting, so there’s no reason for others to look to discredit him.

Does he sound slightly arrogant? Yes.
Did he say a few things regarding top necro players, that he probably shouldn’t have? Yes.
Is he sounding like a know it all in certain posts? prolly
But he’s actually taking the time to help in his own way, and instead people are flaming him about his leaderboard rank. Leaderboard rank means nothing except for how good your team is and how often you decide to destroy your rank by doing solo queue. I’ve been in and out of the top 50 and yet I do think he’s quite knowledgeable about the class.

Either way, lighten up and let him help in his own way, rather than continually flaming someone when they’re doing far more to help the necro community than others are. If the way he carries himself in his posts bother you, then why not just leave the thread?

edit: some of these posts about qualifications and such are so silly. Just because at one point I was 26 on pvp leaderboard somehow make me some guru that all should listen to? No, your rank or ‘qualifications’ aren’t a huge deal when you’re trying to help new players with very use-able builds.

The general consensus on the mesmer forums is that this is the worst patch that has affected mesmers since the start of the game.

Personally I’m going to continue trying to make mesmer competitive but its funny how ridiculous it is to make it viable in high end tournament play when you can just be a terror necro instead now

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Winds.3087:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Mesmers have also become far more overpowered than they previously were.

Why would you think so?

More survivable, and the interrupt builds are starting to show, and get very very annoying.

Plus, I’ve been seeing confusion/torment Necro teams. Fears, Stuns, Confusion, Torment. Most terrifying combination ever.

You have no clue what you’re talking about. Interrupt build so far is absolutely terrible since most casts are .75sec or less that it becomes impossible and almost complete RNG to be able to interrupt your targets casts. All for an immobilize and measly interrupt damage. Go take a look at mesmer forums about how everything is completely broken and how much anet hate is going around because no spec is viable competitively anymore besides shatter.

LOL for anyone who hasn’t read the patch notes yet

Signet of Illusions: Decreased the bonus hit points to clones and phantasms to 50%.
Blurred Frenzy: This is now evasion instead of immunity. This means it will be affected by retaliation. Increased the cooldown to 12 seconds.
Illusionists Celerity: Moved to the Grandmaster Minor trait.

Talk about destroying a viable class in one patch

I don’t know why so many people have this class vs class mentality; this isn’t about the thieves arguing with mesmers arguing with rangers etc etc for each to get their profession a step above the others.. this is about all of us (who probably have alts and play each of the other classes) collectively trying to voice our opinion on rational changes instead of a broken change for a broken problem (in this case 1v1 spec phant build).

We all strive for class balance and diverse builds to use that could all be potentially viable. The problem with this change was instead of nerfing the 1v1 phant spec, they nerfed the whole mesmer class as a whole. We all want viable specs for our class, and we collectively agree when something is broken; in this case mesmers will be the first to tell you that the 1v1 phant spec was broken, but the way a-net went about dealing with this completely destroyed the possibility of using other specs. Creating a change that promotes majority of mesmers to be shatter spec, and a small few to be phant spec, and nothing else viable for high end PVP kills build diversity.

Address the specific build when it’s broken, don’t punish the whole class for it.

I don’t think people are understanding why we’re even speaking up about this, everyone can agree they’d hope developers create a variety of balanced builds that could potentially be viable for tournament play, and when a particular build is broken then nerfs and buffs are warranted. But the only reason mesmers are speaking up is because this change had nothing to do with creating build diversity or making less popular specs more viable or useable. All they basically did was a blanket nerf on all mesmers without other options to compensate. (a new interrupt build? it’s going to be abandoned after 5 days once people realize how stupid those changes were)

Sinnoda: If this was just about randoms using any build they experimented with and adapting to class changes for hotjoin or random play, then sure you can be happy with this new version of mesmer.

But that’s not the issue. The issue is any viable tournament spec mesmer build HAS to take 25 points in illusions for this trait, or else are crippling themselves and teams realizing people with random ‘adapted’ specs are a handicap to their team.. and effectively replacing the meta with a different class and pushing mesmers out altogether from high end competitive play.

As posted, yes ofcourse people aren’t forced to trait this and do whatever they’d like, but part of the problem for competitive PVP has been the lack of diverse and viable builds for different classes, and soon more mesmers will realize if they want to be ‘good’ or do well in high end tPVP, they have no other option except to make sure they’re now a shatter spec.

^ Which is my point. I don’t care for phantasm specs specifically nor do I care that we can try to adjust points around to get a somewhat decent phantasm build. The whole point is this patch is basically forcing 25 points in illusions for a spec to be somewhat viable. Which is ironic because the whole point of this patch was to promote diversity and unused trait lines for all classes

Also, your first build is somewhat more viable, but almost any experienced mesmer knows that the compounding 3% damage per illusion trait is bugged, and doesn’t effect your phantasm damage (only effects self damage and shatter damage)

I’m sorry but hybrid shatter/phantasm builds are complete trash. Especially if you’re using a staff, there’s no reason to ever even try to be a phantasm mesmer since staff phantasm’s projectile is extremely easy to avoid.

No offense, but you must not do any high end tournaments to think a build like that is going to work.

ensoriki.5789:

It doesn’t kill it, it tones it down by shifting your points.
Gj karl I find the celerity change interesting.

It doesn’t shift any points, it makes it mandatory to put 25 points into the line. A lot like how an ele is always going to be stuck using points in arcane.

AlBundy.7851:

I’m not trolling and you making this thread is a testament to the terrible state this game’s pvp is in. Do you want sympathy your not gonna get it. Do you struggle on your Mesmer are you the .00000000000000001% of the population that has a hard time using the mesmer class?

Listen, I understand people wanted a change to phantasm mesmers, and I AGREE they deserved to be nerfed. I have played a mesmer from the start, and always mess around with random builds rather than the same cookie cutter shatter or phantasm builds. My point about this thread isn’t for any sympathy, it’s just pointing out that this change makes it mandatory to spec 25 points into illusions (shatter line), effectively killing EVERY non-shatter spec for all game modes just because one specific build was broken for 1v1.

There could have been many other ways to nerf it, but this was not the answer and makes all mesmers that play all gametypes suffer.