Guild Wars 2

Artaz.3819:

I’ve tried. It’s a lot of damage sacrifice for the durability. In WvW, I don’t have as much of an issue with this because the in/out style works well for me (either solo or zerg v zerg). If you are having trouble surviving, you are probably swapping this utility food/runes for Berserker gear (or Condi gear). If you stayed in mostly Soldiers/Dires, you could use the offensive food/runes.

Where Revenant needs help is with condition spam (Hoelbrak/Melandru) and CC spam (Melandru/Food) lots of energy/dodge roll stab. Basically, it involves a lot of Jalis road spam to deal with the latter or camping Mallyx for Resistance boon for the former (lots of boon stripping these days). Glint remains necessary in order to not hit like a wet noodle or die to any immediate focus fire so … pick your poison.

Yeah you sacrifice some damage modifiers to run this. The problem isn’t with damage for any kind of front line. The problem is sustain. It’s why I dropped my warrior because outside of double endure pain they have nothing. Rev has some unique solutions for sustain that I wanted to highlight.

I run half soldiers/zerker with about 3000 armor in glint, 20k hp, 80% critical and passive additional ~25% DR. It might take 8 hits instead of 6 to drop them but the last three they were running trying to disengage. They drop their bomb and panic when you are still sitting at 80%

I don’t have any issues with condis nobody seems to run them in blob fights in T2. CC is tough I run enhanced bulwark and try and get in a group with a guard.

For people that don’t know there is alot of new DR food/runes in HOT. I am running runes of the scrapper (7% DR) with 10% food (mussel pasta) in addition to the passives in Retribution.

I have been running staff/hammer dwarf/glint with standard power soldiers/zerker gear. I have been owning with this in WvW and I am an average player at best. Usually I run glint and pop f2/hammers when jumped and dwarf stance if I need to.

Anyone else trying this? If not maybe you should.

Nah ppl like playing EoTM. It has a niche. If nothing else is going on you can always go to EoTM and stomp some up levels. Or level your alts and get roflstomped.

With so many mistakes in WvW it makes no sense to delete stuff that ppl actually like.

I am coming to the same conclusion. Druid just isn’t that good. In WvW the pet is useless. The heals are aoe and too small range. You end up dropping light fields all over the place that nobody wants. With no stability you get bounced around like a tennis ball. I am playing full nomads just to try and survive the CC.

I might as well just be playing a vanilla guard and spamming lootstick because it is more effective.

Druid is ok but I find it better just to run my rev and do damage. Even in the big meta events people are adjusting and keeping themselves up without any real support.

WvW is a mess right now and druids aren’t that great. I haven’t engaged in a single choke point fight since the patch. You would think druids would shine here but nobody is playing WvW.

I got to the wyvern hp with just L2 gliding. You have to go out on the vine just behind the merchant. You don’t have to climb up just jump, hold down shift and glide straight across (no course corrections).

I did it on my rev and ended up adding a bunch of peeps that ported over and got the hp/pets.

If you do get over be a bro and announce it in map chat so people can add you and port to friend

Where revs pull ahead is with the damage modifiers and the quickness in Shiro. They have some of the same modifiers from thief/ele.

Honestly when throwing my rev hammer it feels like I am throwing ranged eviscerates. There is no balance which I why I play my Rev and not my warrior.

I got the Tiger but couldn’t get to the wyvern. I did the event about 5 times and was successful twice. The first time I couldn’t find the Tigers or make the glide to the wyvern. The second time I printed off the maps from this board and found the tiger.

There is just not enough time after the event. It is very stressful racing around the map trying to find the pets and competing with other Rangers. This is after completing a two hour event which is stressful enough by itself.

I am not going back without L3 gliding.

Thanks to whomever made the maps in this thread (err board)

Ancient seeds op please nerf

Eh who cares knock 30% off the Rangers stats. Why not at this point

kevvy.5081:

quercus.9261:

Just beat the DS event but couldn’t get to the wyvern in time. Go in with a game plan if you get lucky and beat the event. You won’t have time to Google it

This is approaching the level of frustration I had getting jboots in eq1

Even if you did, unless you or another mesmer with lv4(or was it 5?) gliding that speeds up your glide had it, getting to the pet is impossible… at least so far assuming there’s no other way to it. I spent 15mins asking for anyone, since I had teleport to a friend item, to add me as a friend if they reached to that hero point where e wyvern is. Had no luck.

So essentially, the Tiger maybe behind a 2-3hour event… but e wyvern is worse off by being gated behind a lv4/5 mastery. I’m just tired now though.. I don’t care anymore. Anet certainly doesn’t. Live with it or wait til I get my mastery done I guess.

Yeah I was practically begging to get added by anyone that made it to the hero point. No luck.

Just beat the DS event but couldn’t get to the wyvern in time. Go in with a game plan if you get lucky and beat the event. You won’t have time to Google it

This is approaching the level of frustration I had getting jboots in eq1

Rogue Potato.4723:

Please do not forget about how anet likes to handle these things. It was said by a dev recently (apologies, I forget the name) that they prefer to nerf something into near oblivion (which if we’re being honest here its not that extreme) until they can figure out how to safely bring it back into the game. They normally do this incrementally, long term. If we’ve learnt anything by now it’s that anet are a very. . . Patient company. Give it time gentlemen and ladyfolk, don’t forget that hating the Ranger and actively trying to destroy it, as you all seem to believe, doesn’t actually benefit them at all as a business.

You know who else is patient? After everquest 1 nerfed my necro skelly pet into the ground I never gave that company another dime and I never will. EQ1 was probably my favorite game all time too.

These aspergers lunchbox kids are messing with the future not just the here and now.

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LFG was full of DS exp taxis and not a single DS meta one today. There was a ton of ppl lfg for the meta event though probably all Rangers.

I have been in two fail events so far and it hasn’t been fun. Two hours of carpal tunnel, eye-gouging frustration and loss of faith in humanity. I would rather go to the dentist.

You do not want a cast time on the glint heal. It makes defiant stance worthless.

You also don’t want to compare warriors and revs cause revs would end up nerfed by about a third.

Basically everything that warriors and revs share I would rather have the Rev version.

It’s all hands on deck for the programmers. They are fighting a tire fire with squirt guns

I just hope WvW gets full again

My druid is shelved. Running revenant right now. I just had it out in WvW zerging around EB. Rev hammer is better than ranger LB IMO for WvW (two low cooldown blasts and hits five targets.. and hits hard)

Seriously just play another class. Revs are pretty good.

Druid isn’t very good. I spend way too much time auto-attacking with the staff doing no DPS. The heal spam is pretty ineffective in keeping people up.

I have played primary healer in every big MMORPG this one is the worst.

FYI if you are going to have a primary healer you have to make it good so people will actually play it. The good games all have healers as the strongest class.

quercus.9261:

I had 196 HP.. logged in and trained up druid and I cannot equip a staff. It says my profession is unable to equip it. I have completed the opening quest and unlocked mastery progression

You gotta equip the druid mastery in the bottom slot… thanks helpful LA mapchat

I had 196 HP.. logged in and trained up druid and I cannot equip a staff. It says my profession is unable to equip it. I have completed the opening quest and unlocked mastery progression

Yes I would buy it. Egalitarianism is for suckers.

SpyderArachnid.5619:

quercus.9261:

Well if it’s 170 points to unlock the trait lines I can live with that. As long as I don’t have to buy weapon skins as well to get the traits unlocked.

A pewpew ranger in WvW is useless but a druid won’t be. 170 points is the minimum required to even bother logging a ranger in to WvW to get more points by doing WvW. 170 points is the starter level to not being useless.

I grinded out those 170 points in Tyra and didn’t enjoy one second of it. I did it only because that is what was datamined. I doubt more then 10 hp in the new maps will be available without masteries.

Already confirmed to be 400 hero points. A character who has done everything in Tyria, should have around 200+ points. Then you can get 10 per hero challenge in the Magumma. So you’ll need to do at least 20-40 hero challenges in Magumma to get your elite spec.

400 to unlock everything. 170 to just unlock the traits (I hope). More to unlock the utilities and skins but in a separate progression

Well if it’s 170 points to unlock the trait lines I can live with that. As long as I don’t have to buy weapon skins as well to get the traits unlocked.

A pewpew ranger in WvW is useless but a druid won’t be. 170 points is the minimum required to even bother logging a ranger in to WvW to get more points by doing WvW. 170 points is the starter level to not being useless.

I grinded out those 170 points in Tyra and didn’t enjoy one second of it. I did it only because that is what was datamined. I doubt more then 10 hp in the new maps will be available without masteries.

Burtnik.5218:

quercus.9261:

Well I guess we are going to have 3 months of Rev op shiro+glint on the new wvw maps. For sure I won’t be logging anything else but a nomad druid or a zerker Rev. My warrior, guardian and thief will just have to wait it out for the balance patches.

There is going to be a whole bunch of heavies shelved while this sorts itself out. Not sure where the clenses in the melee train are coming from (won’t be druid)

Why not 3 months of scrappers? These guys are dd eles 2.0 everything into one package and unlike revs they do not rely on opponent mistakes to heal up.

Scrappers and Reapers aren’t going to be able to Frontline. Roamers yes but roamers are useless.

Rev are going to be running the melee train like a lawn mower over weeds. I am not complaining I will be right there with you on my new sylvari Rev (don’t have a sylvari). I just wouldn’t expect any of the old power based classes to stick around to get run over and feed you bags though.

At least half the guards I know are switching just for the gap closers alone. Its all good Rev master race!

Well I guess we are going to have 3 months of Rev op shiro+glint on the new wvw maps. For sure I won’t be logging anything else but a nomad druid or a zerker Rev. My warrior, guardian and thief will just have to wait it out for the balance patches.

There is going to be a whole bunch of heavies shelved while this sorts itself out. Not sure where the clenses in the melee train are coming from (won’t be druid)

Sounds good but I have no idea how to gear this. Full celestial? You probably want to pick up at least 500 healing power.

Do something with CA 1 if you can (larger radius, faster cast) just because people won’t stand still in WvW to get healed.

Rangers are bad in zerg fights the worst IMO. Even thief can run venom share and traps so they come second last. Rangers are only good for pin sniping.

Running glass with axe mainhand is a recipe to transform yourself into a loot bag. You can’t reposition yourself with GS.

Even a signet killshot rifle/axes zerker warrior is better than a ranger in a zerg.

I have sorta changed my mind on Druid in WvWand it turns out to have better burst healing than I thought. a couple of things:

1. give stability to druid in Avatar form. If you are going to paint a target on me in WvW at least give me some defence. Protection/Stability anything please… the new meta is Kill Druid First

2. aoe damage to the heals in avatar form to tag at least

3. larger radius to the Avatar 1 spam heal.. person in WvW are dodging and rolling around and they are hard to hit

4. if you nerf the new pets then up the damage on druid staff. Open world mat grinding the smokescale is doing 80% of the damage with a staff out. In fact just up the damage on staff because it is too reliant on pet to kill anything solo

5. I am not using any of the glyphs. The seed trait is too slow and we have better options. The staff is a 1200 range weapon and the glyphs are all pbaoe.

6. Don’t remove the waterfield on 5 or I am going to think badly of you and mutter under my breath

Quarktastic.1027:

Knighthonor.4061:

Scalpels.2809:

Knighthonor.4061:

Lol you lost all credit there. If you believe a Guardian can dish out as much healing as a single Druid…… yeah I wont argue with you on this much. Clearly you have not played healer in SPvP yet with Druid….. go back to your Power Ranger Druid dude…..

It’s obvious from all your posts that you’re a healing fanboy. I’m sure you did great in other MMOs with healing, but GW2 has never been about the heals. There’s other ways to keep people up rather than just healing through it all, which you will not be able to do. GW2 players have been doing it this entire time.

Learn the other classes.

well it is now! developers words laugh out loud

Druid is 100% healing and little else. Guardian provides strong group healing as well as Aegis/stability/protection.

My consensus after actually playing the druid: Guardian support is still better.

Agree that guardians are much better than druids especially after the shield changes. Kinda bad that I will be running vanilla guard (no DH) or vanilla warrior (no zerker) in the new WvW maps. That is until I get my Rev to 80 cause they are OP as (swear word here)

running this in WvW and it is just not working. Not tanky enough to frontline and the gyros go down in seconds. I just got face-tanked by a necro with a GS who cleaved my gyros and downed me like a L5 uplevel.

Not sure how you can fix this… I think engie and Ranger might be hosed due to the AI of pets and gyros

was just running Druid in WvW. this isn’t going to work. Either the class needs burst damage or burst healing. It doesn’t have either atm. the conditions to get to any kind of burst healing is guaranteed by the weak damage it does. Revs and Guards don’t even notice the damage of the AA.

The smokescale pet is really strong.. like easily 50% better than all the vanilla pets. There is a bug where the new pets attack the nearest mob if you execute a skill without a target.

If the devs are reading this stop cowboying do some structured code reviews and stop the churn. Your managers are giving you way too much slack.

You just kittened off a bunch of people with this flip flop.

3 stacks of might this skill is now useless

Mcrocha.3891:

quercus.9261:

You can get permanent fury, regeneration and swiftness. Protection and quickness you can not and it is more like a kitten mini game blowing cool downs just to keep your buffs up.

You can have 50% uptime on quickness which is broken.

If you want to blow your pet swap and heal on cool down and spec for it. I wouldn’t want this but w/e

You can get permanent fury, regeneration and swiftness. Protection and quickness you can not and it is more like a kitten mini game blowing cool downs just to keep your buffs up.

Rez me plz

Sow for tips

Spaceman whomp stick

It’s using ion propulsion on the leading edge of its wings

Seriously I just logged into TC , ported to the WvW borderlands and I see one our server leaders swearing in mapchat about Rangers and how useless they are, my guild leader at the same time getting guards and Warriors to x up and telling everyone else to get on heavies.

I had just logged into Ranger for the first time in forever and this is what I see two minutes into the game ( logged right back out). This is the worst class treatment I have ever seen in any game and I played them all.

You have a serious problem here. Whatever you balance you need to fix this.

This elite spec is going to clean up the class rep. Primary healers draw an entirely different crowd in any game that I ever played. You have to be on the ball all the time and enjoy helping other people.

You can see from the complaints that some feel that there is a bait and switch here. Maybe that is a valid complaint. There will probably be an element of staff or gtfo before too long.

In any case this is a very powerful spec for Pvp and WvW and I can’t wait to try it out.

lot of pew pew boo hoo in this thread

druid is going to be awesome. It just became part of the WvW meta. thanks!

this is kinda funny. The most selfish class in the game(by design) just became the best support by far (by design).

For WvW druid just became part of the meta.

Curious to see how effective the healing co-efficients work

druids — new strong healing meta

badmouthing zerker meta now

rangers are getting mounts.. or mounted sorry feed is bad

The spec needs a stun break, some way to apply fury. The GM hammer trait should reduce cool downs on the bots while you have super speed and hammer equiped.

The bots need more hp or protection when summoned in the traits somewhere.

sounds good for WvW… can’t wait to test it. Lots of leaps, stability and rez bots (but the good kind)

I like the mission statement as well

Rocknull.2986:

some people are stuck in a 2 year old meta

It is all GWEN / Pirate ship as far as I can tell. Either that or humping siege (hi YB). I don’t see anything else aside from some small guild groups that eventually get run over by map blobs