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An interesting thing – my local Target doesn’t carry the gem cards anymore, and my husband was told at the local Gamestop that they were told the gem card system is changing “soon” and they don’t carry them anymore either.
I wonder if there is a new system if something like a bulk discount would be included? That would be neat.
New system: You have to link your creditcard directly to your GW2 account to make things “easier” for you.
And I think the discount will start from 4000 gems upward.
I would never, ever link my personal information to anything to do with purchasing gems via the company that currently handles their in-game purchase transactions. I have personal experience with the company and know people that work there, so I prefer my data to not reside on their servers. It’s why I always purchase gem cards with cash.
An interesting thing – my local Target doesn’t carry the gem cards anymore, and my husband was told at the local Gamestop that they were told the gem card system is changing “soon” and they don’t carry them anymore either.
I wonder if there is a new system if something like a bulk discount would be included? That would be neat.
I think this is awesome, but makes me very sad. It’s a prime example of how the community is losing people who make it worth playing.
I am hoping that any changes in the party system really should include improving the Block/Ignore functionality, please.
What is this? Is this real?
It’s someones wishlist… and no, it’s not real
But those images… ugh epic Photoshop?
Not that epic when you can clearly see the copypaste.
Or the Comic Sans font…
Comic Sans made it obviously a photoshop. Bad font!
What about having it based on the actual players, and not the team? At the end of the run, everyone does a survey(monkey) that rates their teammates on a clear scale, but they can’t rate themselves?
- how well did they know their class?
- how well did they support the team?
- how well did they handle the oddities that always seem to arise in pug groups?
- etc.
Seems like a lot of work to setup, but it would be interesting to compete.
+1 for party leader, 3 guys joining from LFG and kicking the 2 is still a possible issue.
And I’d like the Block function affect the LFG.
The Block functionality needs to be looked at entirely. It completely fails to provide any useful utility in the game.
Harassment and being able to effectively deal with it is an account issue, not a game suggestion.
I hope that you never have someone just decide to dislike you so much that they call you names, change your LFG messages to offensive slurs and otherwise demean you as a person. I’ve had all of those things done, and the argument I’m hearing back from users on the forum is that it’s okay because they don’t like what I’m doing to cause the harassment.
Interesting, it’s very similar reasoning that has been used in the past for allowing racism, disregard minority groups, remove or disallow rights for LGBT groups, etc.
On these forums, according to the people responding to me, bullying is alright, so long as the group of people being harassed and bullied are doing something you don’t like.
Please keep this post on topic, it has nothing to do with LFG posts, it’s a request to improve the Account Block functionality so that it’s actually useful.
I have a list of account names that my duo partner and I are keeping track of, I’ll be happy to share offline with anyone who is interested. PM me, I’ll provide you with ways to contact me outside of game.
The block feature is entirely useless, and my post about it in the “Account Issues” sub has gotten no traction.
Now I truly see why so many have left the game and the forums – Ivan, Iris, etc. I have proof and my harassers have admitted it on the forums, and NOTHING happens to them.
If not an Account issue, what is it?
And I know there won’t be an answer to this or the other thread by a red post, I understand the pattern. I accept the fact that harassing me is condoned, but my posting might help someone in the future so I had to try.
Kagamiku, I hope you receive better results than I have. Some of the people harassing me have admitted it on the forums without any concerns.
Why yes, I’d love to also start reporting you for this abuse, raethe. The problem is that you are not selling to people you know. Although Anet has suggested to only trade with people you know, you are within your right to do so. And I’m also within mine to report you for it.
I will keep an eye out more in the LFG for this abuse. I used to let it go because I figured the people doing it were just stupid, but after seeing your personality I’ll have no qualms about it. Looking forward to seeing your postings in game.
Have at it, report away when you see me – I am not doing anything that Anet has stated is wrong. If I were, then I’m sure that the previous reports would have caused my account to be suspended or banned.
On the same topic, Anet has specifically stated that harassment is a suspension/bannable offense, and what has been happening to my groups is most assuredly harassment. I will continue to report as well; when there are offensive slurs thrown at me and such, I’m sure that will add up eventually.
Good evening, gentleman and/or ladies, may karma treat you kindly.
but it’s explicitly not allowed on the LFG tool.
Reading comprehension – please review the previous posts where I directly linked to a quote from Michael Henninger, that explicitly and specifically states it is allowed, and is dated as a more recent post than the quote you are linking.
You may dislike what I’m doing as much as you’d like. That does not give you or anyone the right to take vigilante action and harass my group by continuing to join my parties and destroy them, rename them with offensive language and otherwise be disruptive in the game.
Again, I simply request that if you see something you don’t like, report it to Anet, block me, and let Anet handle it.
Issue: The Block/Ignore list is currently mostly useless
Solution: Certain actions should be disallowed if either user has the other on Block
1. Prevent joining groups via LFG if someone in the group has you blocked
2. Prevent merging groups via LFG if someone in either group has a block in place
3. Prevent seeing the character name/location through the Block list
4. Say/party/guild chat shouldn’t be seen by the blocked individual
Pros: Protection from harassment that is currently possible
Cons: Dev work to put protections in place likely better utilized in other areas of the game, if people weren’t being rude
Usage Example: Currently even if I have someone on my block list, that person can still join my group via LFG group postings.
What good is the block function if it doesn’t block anything?
Please understand that you are allowed to trade outside of the BLTP
That is a quote from a red post stating that what I’m doing is completely allowed in game.
What you are doing is harassment, and my definition is not overly broad. Definition of harassment: (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/harassment) “the act or an instance of harassing, or disturbing, pestering, or troubling repeatedly; persecution”.
You and your group of vigilantes (def: “any person who takes the law into his or her own hands, as by avenging a crime”) can use the tools provided to you if there is something you don’t like – simply report us and then put us on block and move on.
You admit in your own post that you continuously join our group in order to prevent us from doing something that Anet has stated is allowed and yet you think that you aren’t doing anything wrong. Just curious, are you also using the LFG tool to harass the guilds that I’ve seen recruiting via LFG tool? Don’t worry, it’s a facetious question, I don’t need the answer.
I don’t really have anything left to say that is polite.
I’d like to know your stance on why you think it’s perfectly fine to harass people that are doing something that you think is wrong, instead of just reporting and going on about your own business.
I don’t see anywhere in this thread where anyone said they thought it was perfectly fine to harass anyone.
Let’s just say that I’m familiar with OP’s brand of vigilante attempts to prevent things that he doesn’t like in game.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/CS-and-Defrauding-aka-Scamming/4426427
Red post link there ^. The important part of that quote “Please understand that you are allowed to trade outside of the BLTP…”
I’d like to know your stance on why you think it’s perfectly fine to harass people that are doing something that you think is wrong, instead of just reporting and going on about your own business.
I think that the thread has gone off track – Mad Queen, you have some … interesting… ideas about what you think dungeons should be. I can’t say that I agree with you, but thank you for responding to my question.
The whole point leads back to why do people think that selling dungeon paths is so horrible? If someone doesn’t have the time or inclination to complete a path, what is so wrong with them paying to finish it? What if tomorrow Anet decides to put in a process that you talk to an NPC and trade gold/gems for dungeon tokens (sort of like buying influence for your guild now).
If you don’t like dungeon selling because it’s not something you can do, go learn how to solo or duo yourself and do the same things. If you don’t like it because you don’t want to pay for dungeons, make your own LFG, no one is forcing you to do anything! If you don’t like it because it offends your moral sensibilities… well, get over it. “Everyone gets to play how they want to play.”
Mad Queen, thanks again for answering my question. Maybe you should write up some suggestions for the specific dungeons that addresses what you’d like?
It’s great to see people trying to do things that stretch their abilities. Good luck in your soloing, and may the swarm RNG be ever in your favor. =)
Almost forgot to mention – before I soloed, it really helped me immensely to run the paths in a duo to really learn the skips and such. I think that the Noob guild has people who are Arah mentors, or try to get in on the Saturday/Sunday Arah runs that Jiyn has taken over from Ivan. Extremely valuable knowledge from those!
Casmurro, I think I just said literally that I did not want the dungeon to be dumbed down. I said I want it to be more fun.
I think this is a perfect example of where the struggle in communication lies between different groups of people. Arah isn’t fun for Mad Queen – but I have an absolute BLAST in there, it’s one of my most favorite things in the game!
Mad Queen, if Arah isn’t fun for you, why isn’kitten What would you do differently? Maybe we could all come up with some ideas for new, different dungeons that are varied enough to be fun for everyone.
As someone who sells dungeon paths (mostly as a duo) I just don’t understand how my actions affect you in ANY way. There are constantly groups going into Arah that aren’t selling paths, or you can simply make your own.
I have never, and will never scam someone – I sincerely enjoy Arah, I love the Lupicus fight enough that I would pay 2k gems for a mini of him! (Devs, please, PLEASE make a mini of Lupi)
I don’t join the groups that state “killing everything” – I just make my own group. Why does something that you don’t like require having it taken away from every other person in the game? Where does this entitlement of “my way is the only way” come from? I’m just sincerely boggled by the hostility shown to people who play differently.
Michael, one of the things that I’d like to see addressed that I think would really help with people joining and kicking is improvements to the “Block” list in game.
If I have someone blocked, then why can they:
1. Join my LFG party
2. See my character location & name via their friends/blocked list
3. See my guild/say/party chat
I think that improvements to the Block list is something that would be immensely useful to help prevent griefing.
Michael, you have just done a LOT to restore my faith in Anet, thank you.
I’ll just leave this here.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/CS-and-Defrauding-aka-Scamming
So, I was doing some Arah yesterday and we had a 900ap warrior in the group. Now his general play… meh, lots of axe5 and never left axe/axe and pretty sure he wasn’t full zerk. But, he impressed/shocked me when he was making skips pretty well and he survived all of lupi just fine. So yeah… 900ap, impressive.
That was p2 and the p1 we did after with people having much higher APs was… not so smooth. Had some issues with lupi (my god the bubbles) to the point that we decided to just wall him… couldn’t even do that right haha
I am SO TEMPTED to start joining Arah pug groups on my baby warrior on my second account who just barely has full exotics and is about 1.2k AP – I wonder how many people would be shocked to death when I can solo Lupi? (Thanks Ivan – mentor extraordinaire!)
I saw an LFG the other night that said “killing everything” and I thought to myself “neat, I’m glad people are getting to play the way they want to, I wish I could.”
If you need a body for Sunday, I’d be happy to come with, it was always enjoyable with Ivan. I can bring warrior, guard or mesmer (in that order of my preference).
My guildie just had this same problem, he guested to a different server (Northern Shiverpeaks) and it’s working there. Try guesting to a different server and finishing it.
Proxy selling will work, but you need a second person to sell outside of the party.
Good luck though, it’s been made pretty clear that harassment is condoned if you’re a seller through LFG of anything.
Firstly, there is no party politics at all occuring. It’s just plain theft. Secondly, the LFG system was implement 1 year ago and to say it’s in beta is just an excuse on your part.
Apologises we didn’t realise you owned dungeons.
Im glad anet are taking steps to stop dungeon selling, its almost as bad as gold selling and they should be banned.
Why is dungeon path selling almost as bad as gold selling? Please provide specific reasons. I’m truly curious about why you feel this way.
It’s not griefing if you’re doing something against the rules or misusing a tool in the first place. If your definition of griefing is correct, all reports made against all players in all circumstances is griefing. Hell, reporting bugs is griefing the game.
Please re-read my posts and the linked threads again. I never said reporting someone was griefing, but was referring to instances of verbal harassment and LFG join/kick abuse.
We have a saying in the dungeon forum: Reading is an exploit.
Your links are irrelevant to my comment. The OP was talking about people selling legendaries in the LFG tool, not selling quick dungeon runs.
So harassing people is okay if you think it’s okay because you disagree with what they’re doing. Got it.
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If allowed to go unchecked, it would become difficult if not impossible to use the tool for its intended purpose, so it must be crushed whenever found.
Interesting language choice there. Who are you to determine what should be “crushed?” Report if you feel it’s wrong, let Anet decide. Continuously joining a group to kick because you disagree with an LFG post is harassment.
In your opinion, the next time I see a “LF Drytop taxi, paying 1g” in open-world LFG, do you think I should just start join-kicking that, because it annoys me?
Thank you for your response and recommendation, I’ll write up a post requesting clarification of how to deal with the harassment I’ve experienced, since I think that’s the most important issue for myself and my guildmates who have been affected.
It is legalese that is wide enough for them to use it for whatever purpose they deem necessary.
Using a “Looking For Group” tool to advertise items for sale violates the Code of Conduct’s (wide) language as well as the “common sense” intent of such a tool.
I’m not saying that they will ban you, I’m saying that they could ban you so you probably shouldn’t do it.
It does not violate the Code of Conduct in any “common sense” intent at all, given how the other items I listed do not violate the CoC. I am using the tool in a manner that was possibly not intended, but is a possible use. Until Anet specifically states “don’t do this” in clearly written language then why do you think you know better than anyone else?
I appreciate your debating skills, but I respectfully disagree with you about what is right and wrong defined by the language as written.
NOTE: And this isn’t about what I’ve done, it’s about what the people using the LFG tool have done to harass people – merging groups and immediately kicking the original party members is harassment. Joining a group and making nasty comments about what I’m doing is wrong (by their standards, not specifically stated by Anet) and then kicking me is harassment.
Being harassed in game isn’t something that anyone likes or should have to deal with. The difference between my actions (posting LFG to sell a path/item) is that I can easily be reported and then ignored; being griefed & harassed by people kicking me from my own group isn’t something I can ignore. If the block list would work so that someone on block list cannot join my group then I would have a reliable way of dealing with the kick-griefers. As it is, I have no way of ignoring someone who is bent on harassing me.
At this point I wonder if I can put up an LFG for anything, since it’s obvious the griefers are watching my account.
using the lfg tool to sell items isnt fine and is suspendable? News to me.
Item 7
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/
1. LFG tool – advertising
2. Map chat guild recruitment – promotion/solicitation
3. Map chat “world boss up!” – advertising/promoting
4. LFG taxi requests (i.e. Queen’s Pavilion, Tequatl, Dry Top 5+), both requests and offers – soliciting
The text as written is not specific enough for anyone to determine where the line is drawn.
LFG tool is simply a process, a part of the game. It’s been used for multiple things that I’m guessing the devs either didn’t consider or weren’t worried about when the tool was put into the game. If a red post tells me “don’t sell things via LFG because we don’t want that” then fine, I won’t do it. But nebulous legalese is not clear enough for the average game-player to determine what is the “proper” way of using a tool.
If I get suspended for attempting to sell a legitimately crafted item, then I’ll accept my punishment and warn others. But the actions I see now are that they’re ignoring me and they are ignoring the people harassing me. Unless they come right out and say “this is wrong” and do something about it, then the actions being ignored are being allowed/condoned.
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They have always stated that advertising player to player trading in game is against the rules. They don’t have a problem with player to player trading, but it is not supported and advertising it is not permitted.
Please provide a link on the forums or the TOS where this is stated. I did my research, I may have missed it, but I’d like to think I’m pretty good at reading comprehension.
Item 7:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/
“You may not market, promote, advertise, or solicit within the Guild Wars 2 Game or on the official Guild Wars 2 websites.”
Interestingly enough, if we take that text as specifically stated, then the LFG tool itself is then against GW2’s TOS, since it’s advertising for a group.
Also, advertising guilds for recruitment purposes are against this item. Let’s see, what about telling people that a World Boss is up, since that’s promoting your personal agenda of more people joining for the kill.
Hmm, what about someone advertising for help via mapchat with a quest mob? Oh! Or using open-world LFG to find a Dry Top 5+ megaserver and paying for the taxi in?
I’m sure other people can come up with other items.
NOTE: As specifically written, there is no way this can be read that states that these things aren’t bad, whereas LFG posting a legitimate item for sale is bad.
Honestly, I was expecting you to post Item 9, but that one is very specific to real money transactions, not something in-game.
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They have always stated that advertising player to player trading in game is against the rules. They don’t have a problem with player to player trading, but it is not supported and advertising it is not permitted.
Please provide a link on the forums or the TOS where this is stated. I did my research, I may have missed it, but I’d like to think I’m pretty good at reading comprehension.
I disagree. The text below from this thread (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Dungeon-owner-sometimes-required/first#post4392439) states specifically otherwise:
“For the time being, exchanging in-game currency or items for a party (in this case – a dungeon run) is not a violation to our Rules of Conduct or the User Agreement.”
You are clearly conflating the issues as described above. This quote does not mention advertising player to player trading in any way and is specifically related to selling dungeon runs.
And also, EVEN IF Anet has a problem with it -
who are you to use vigilante justice to “fix” it?? Why is it okay for my LFG to be harassed by players, instead of simply reported?
Now you are conflating two other issues:
1. Your own not permitted behavior of advertising player to player trades in the LFG tool (which you should cease doing before you get reported into a suspension).2. Other players’ not permitted behavior of harassing you.
Your language is lovely, but I’m not “conflating” (merging) anything. I am providing examples as to why the current process of using the LFG tool for selling dungeon paths AND selling items is broken, based on my experiences using the LFG tool in both ways and being greatly harassed.
At this point I would rather get suspended and KNOW for a fact that Anet condones harassing me and dislikes my selling dungeon paths, etc. so then I’d know for sure! If they don’t come out and say “Don’t do this” instead of “do this at your own risk, we won’t be involved” then who are you to say if I’m right or wrong?
I play this game every night, I buy gems pretty much every month, I don’t do anything in game that could potentially be considered an exploit. I did my research on the forums before considering to list it on the LFG – quite honestly I’d rather meet the person I’m selling the item to and make sure it’s a good sale than have it nebulously go off into the ether. I guess my sentimentality is getting the better of me and I should just jack the price up through the TP in order to just dump it, and bypass the process of getting called names and harassed by vigilantes.
And also, EVEN IF Anet has a problem with it -
who are you to use vigilante justice to “fix” it?? Why is it okay for my LFG to be harassed by players, instead of simply reported?
At this point, the red post on that thread really confuses me, considering I’ve seen other posts that state they don’t have a problem with selling dungeon paths or items via LFG. I guess there is a reason my support ticket hasn’t been responded to yet, and I won’t hold my breathe for any sort of reasonable response.
I see that Anet really doesn’t care if someone is using harassing behavior. I guess maybe my husband is right, and I should go back to WoW. =/
You are conflating two issues:
1. ArenaNet does not have a problem with you Selling Dungeon Paths.
2. ArenaNet does not have a problem with player to player trading.ArenaNet DOES have a problem with you using ingame systems to advertise player to player trading because they do not support it.
They specifically have a problem with you using the LFG tool to advertise for your player to player trading because that is NOT what the LFG tool is designed to be used for.
I disagree. The text below from this thread (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Dungeon-owner-sometimes-required/first#post4392439) states specifically otherwise:
“For the time being, exchanging in-game currency or items for a party (in this case – a dungeon run) is not a violation to our Rules of Conduct or the User Agreement.”
It’s great to see that harassing people is allowed in this game. I guess now I know why my support ticket has gone unanswered.
Who are you to determine what people are allowed to do in this game, if you aren’t someone who works for Anet?? Why do you think it’s perfectly acceptable to continually join an LFG and call people names for doing something you don’t agree with? If you see something you don’t like, then report it, block the person doing the behavior and MOVE ON.
Your little vigilante group has really proved something, that’s for sure.
If someone is harassing you, report it, block the person doing the behavior and MOVE ON.
Harassment is NOT allowed in GW2.
I disagree. The actions that have been taken against myself and my guildie in the last two days that have been reported and support ticket sent in with specific account names doing the harassment – with no actions taken – pretty much show that harassment is allowed.
As a dungeon soloer/duoer who sells paths, and now attempting to sell an item that I legitimately crafted, well, I guess I’m open to all sorts of abuse because I’m doing it in a manner that isn’t what “they” like. I’d rather provide a service to people who can’t run the dungeons the way I do, but still want the tokens, and provide a way for someone to buy an item that might not have all of the gold for the full price on the TP.
As a woman gamer, I’ve dealt with harassment before, I’ll deal with it again – I’m used to that. But as someone just playing the game to get harassment, well, I’m just in shock that there is so little support from Anet.
Anet – if you DO NOT want players selling dungeons, come right out and SAY IT. If a red post shows up that states “Do not sell items via LFG, do not sell dungeons paths via LFG” then fine, I’ll quit doing it. But everything that I had read up to this point stated that it was “seller beware, but we don’t currently have a problem with it.”
It’s great to see that harassing people is allowed in this game. I guess now I know why my support ticket has gone unanswered.
Who are you to determine what people are allowed to do in this game, if you aren’t someone who works for Anet?? Why do you think it’s perfectly acceptable to continually join an LFG and call people names for doing something you don’t agree with? If you see something you don’t like, then report it, block the person doing the behavior and MOVE ON.
Your little vigilante group has really proved something, that’s for sure.
Just FYI, the kicking trolls are out in full-force. I currently have a CS support ticket in for getting harassed for over an hour last night through the LFG tool. My guildie and I were non-stop kicked within seconds of putting up a post.
I don’t expect much to happen, but it would be nice to be proven wrong.
Were you selling? Because if so, it’s your own fault for getting kicked.
We were attempting to sell The Dreamer legendary that I had just finished crafting, so that might be part of the backlash – it’s not quite the same as selling a dungeon path, but still within the range of what I’ve seen posted as acceptable.
It was probably this guy enjoying his new “hobby”: The worst kind of people.
ANet probably supports this behavior. After all, griefing is the new meta.
I’ll just say that the OP of that thread is someone I’ve seen in the last two days quite frequently as joining my groups.
At this point, the red post on that thread really confuses me, considering I’ve seen other posts that state they don’t have a problem with selling dungeon paths or items via LFG. I guess there is a reason my support ticket hasn’t been responded to yet, and I won’t hold my breathe for any sort of reasonable response.
I see that Anet really doesn’t care if someone is using harassing behavior. I guess maybe my husband is right, and I should go back to WoW. =/
The placeholder process doesn’t work anymore. We tried this the other night and when the first placeholder dropped so that the second pug could join via LFG, the second pug immediately kick voted with the first pug. Sure, they lost the first pug’s gold, but could then sell for at least twice what they lost. And honestly, I don’t think some of these people care about lost gold, they just like being able to grief.
That being said, a proxy party DID work for us last night, so while it will be rough on soloers, a duo party should still be able to sell? It will definitely take longer though and requires a lot more trust on the part of the buyer.
I still think that the devs should just put a flag on the dungeon bosses and players – if 1+ boss in dungeon are dead but no player in group has a flag that they were involved in the kill then RESET the dungeon.
Just FYI, the kicking trolls are out in full-force. I currently have a CS support ticket in for getting harassed for over an hour last night through the LFG tool. My guildie and I were non-stop kicked within seconds of putting up a post.
I don’t expect much to happen, but it would be nice to be proven wrong.
Were you selling? Because if so, it’s your own fault for getting kicked.
We were attempting to sell The Dreamer legendary that I had just finished crafting, so that might be part of the backlash – it’s not quite the same as selling a dungeon path, but still within the range of what I’ve seen posted as acceptable.
Last night, however, we were attempting to sell an Arah P2 via proxy – we duo’d, he dropped group and formed it up outside of the dungeon and had everyone pay first. There were still several attempts to grief him but after they realized there wasn’t anything to steal, they ignored him. Not an ideal solution by any means.
I just think it’s absolutely RIDICULOUS that someone on my block list can join my LFG postings. What is the blocklist for then?? If someone goes on Block it should:
1. Remove the ability for them to see my character name/location in their friends
list/block list.
2. Remove my ability to see their location/character name in my block list.
3. Remove the ability for either of us to join an LFG that the other may be in.
These are NOT difficult concepts to understand! I used to really believe in this game, I love playing, but this griefing via LFG tool is about to break my will to play. Why is it okay for other players to form a vigilante mob to “punish” those players that are doing something they don’t agree with??
P2 worked tonight for my duo partner and I – Belka popped perfectly.
Just FYI, the kicking trolls are out in full-force. I currently have a CS support ticket in for getting harassed for over an hour last night through the LFG tool. My guildie and I were non-stop kicked within seconds of putting up a post.
I don’t expect much to happen, but it would be nice to be proven wrong.
Chris, as someone who loves Arah and duo/solos P2 regularly, thank you. I hope the developers can get Belka fixed ASAP.
I don’t WANT to have to join another commander. I don’t want to have to see them at all, unless I choose to do so. The fact that seeing a bazillion different color tags on the map, which makes it hard to find other things is just poor usability.
