Guild Wars 2

shagwell.1349:

Dirtyrascal.1023:

I’m logging in, playing a 2 or 3 games and logging out wishing I hadn’t bothered atm. Sad for what has been one of my top 2 games since it’s launch.

So in a search for ideas: What are you all doing in game (PVP) to have Genuine Fun?

Most fun is to not log in.

This sadly.

While Anet keeps living the exports pipe dream their game is going to kittenhe along with Thier good devs. They don’t really care what the majority of the population want, they just like being able to whack it off to big posters of team abjured and the other 50 people that gives a dam about Thier game anymore.

I quit for a week or so, and mm has only gotten worse to the point where I just tried to troll most matches because it didn’t matter if I tried or not. I realize now that I can just pay a sub to something else and actually get a somewhat balanced game where the company actually tries to make everyone moderately happy.

Banging my head against the wall is no longer an option, I don’t have time to “grind” for a win streak and I won’t do it anymore. I’m not a great pvp player, but I’m certainly worth having a fair game in every match.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Ranger
1) Search and Rescue- Traited SnR on 36 second cool down. Take out quickness res, introduce class specific quickness rez. Check
2) Strength of the Pack- An over tuned Signet of Rage. The pulsing stability is much better though
Both of these abilities benefit from the reduction trait pretty well.

No to SotP! Unless you vastly reduce the amount of cc’s other classes can produce instantly and often. It is a ranger/Druid’s only stability skill that is viable (of the two we have) with any build.

Tragic Positive.9356:

Dark Night.5601:

I would like an invite if this is still ongoing. Let me know. Thanks!!!

It is. I sent you an invite. It has been quiet for these past few days but once I have more time I’ll start pushing all of us slackers into stuff.

If nothing else works, I’ll create some fun All-Ranger PvP/Open World/Fractals or smth like that to tie our bonds closer.

raises hand I’m a slacker for sure. Sorry man, I’ll still log on from time to time to see if pvp is gonna be my friend but I don’t have much time either really. If I’m on I’d be down for all ranger whatever.

Hell buy some, it won’t get looked at for months anyway

Tragic Positive.9356:

bearshaman.3421:

Another reason to hope Bristleback doesn’t lose number of shots (and a definite reason for it to be used in PVE): Strength of the Pack.

The ability works almost like Engie Pistol Poison Darts. They do not track target and they scatter. Which means that on a stationary target form range they don’t hit as often as the maximum number of darts is.

On a moving target from range it’s far and far less. I started using my Spider. The 3 sec immobilize makes a difference.

In my opinion, Bristle indeed deserved the nerf. I mean, it was an incredibly powerful attack for the CD it had. However, it was the only thing a Ranger had.
And we got stuck in our useless position once again. We don’t deal damage, now pets don’t do stuff, we still have no real way to survive focus fire, they nerfed CAF, everything is bugged or clunky and I’m reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally getting tired of their sh@#.

They haven’t skipped a single freaking patch to avoid nerfing the ranger. Not a single one. They haven’t addressed any of the most required changes like being reliable. But hey, they made us less competitive for no reason. That’s cool.

^This

hi5

Ranger gets something cool? “Omg rangers are so op!” Nerfed in 3 weeks.

The System is wai, no bugs here. Great season this season 2!

Yeah, maybe you guys can get some more ambers to pwn!

Beliyal.7085:

Torafugu.1087:

All these threads allow stuck people to make faster informed decisions when they come to the forums to see what’s going on. They might be blaming themselves. I knew some people who were still not aware of the snowball situation, these threads let them know and help them quit.

Otherwise they’d just be blaming themselves and hating their life.

Yeah, this was me. I didn’t know what was going on, I suspected something was majorly screwed up (you don’t go from 54% win ratio to 42% by accident or by suddenly not having skill anymore), but I couldn’t tell what was wrong. At some points I genuinely thought this was my issue alone, but when I checked the forums and saw dozens of people reporting the same problems, I felt better.

Also, I think the community should keep on talking about this. I don’t know if ANet listens or even cares, but if a large amount of people continue with this pressure, they will have to react. Losing player base isn’t ideal for them, and many people have given up already. Perhaps I’m being too optimistic, but no good will come from us keeping quiet. Our only other option is to keep the conversation going and hope it will have some impact.

While I respect the sentiment of outpouring your feelings on the forums, I disagree that things might get better.

I simply wanted to state that there is an easy fix for those who are frustrated, just quit ranked, it’s that simple. It hurts a lot less than trying to grind against a system that isn’t meant to be grinded.

well I did say “might possibly” haha

Just stop with the complaining and quit playing ranked. Its what I have done and several others as well. NOTHING is going to be done, a minority of players like it and they are who matters to Anet.

Does it suck? Yes, but no amount of kittening and moaning, screenshots, statistics, or opinions on how to fix mm will do anything but flood the forums with the same exact post over and over and over again.

Just look forward to season 3 since that is the next time anything might possibly get changed or adjusted, that’s what I’m doing. Cheers

Oh Snapalope.1378:

So today I noticed probably a lot of people are quitting PvP because the system in place is just so bad right now. The queue times are getting kind of ridiculous. Ruby is sitting at 30 minutes for me right now. Tweak this junk of a system or this season is dead.

Right on the mark. The time issue I can see, after a while it very well may sort itself out but by the time it does there will be no one left to play. I mean 2 weeks of a season to wait it out until matchmaking fixes itself? lol no way man, I was done after 4 days and getting emerald.

Torafugu.1087:

GL with that. I’d join if I haven’t already quit the season.
Mining iron is more fun and more productive atm.

^ This

No way! This is a healthy, populated, competitive environment its………your bad.

but yeah most people don’t play ranked anymore (including myself), that’s what happens when you screw the majority in favor of the minority. The system is WAI.

A Scrapper engi kittening about sustain? From druid? Lol

cosmicegg.8502:

Reaper Alim.4176:

Honestly at this point if people are so angry then they should simply stop being fodder for the players the system deems worthy of getting a free pass thru the lower divisions, instead of having to fight their way through like most. A system like this where there are little to no participation from the abused party usually falls in on it self, more so if the party being abused is the majority of the population.

Be interesting to see what the players who are telling the less fortunate players to stop crying or leave would do when they get hit be 20 to 30 min queues in amber S3. Oh wait Anet would probable just put them into higher divisions at start of S3. #Competitiveness, the kind of competition where everything is handed to you.

I stopped playing in emerald the first day

Yeah I quit last night having hit t2 of emerald, it isn’t worth fighting it anymore. Good luck to all the many pro’s we have here. I’ll spend my 2 hrs a night farming mats and play the trading post stock market for fun.

That’s all fine and good phil, I’m glad your an advocate for broken gaming…God knows Anet needs some praise right now.

Let me say this though, you speak of a competitive environment. ..ok…..where is it? There are 2 godmode classes, 2 semi competitive and the rest are trash, yes Phil trash. That is a problem for people “wanting to work to get better” because the truth of the matter is, even if they are the best at that class they will still be a crutch to a good team. Sprinkle all kinds of fancy words on your “get gud” mentality but the bottom line is simple. The classes are not balanced to have a healthy competitive environment……not even close.

The matchmaking doesn’t help, the streaks do not help, season 2 is still a fail to the overwhelming majority of the pvp playerbase. I’m glad you are good enough to have fun and be ok with this bs, but I am not. I will not fight and claw against a system that is flawed and one sided, catering to a small populis of the community. My experience this season hasn’t even been that bad, but I know others have struggled and it isn’t because they simply aren’t good enough. If they can’t even play the class they love, and know the mechanics of, because 4 other classes strait up steamroll everything they throw at it that is a problem.

Enjoy your season 2, I’m ending mine prematurely.

Not to mention all these changes would make druid severely op. We can’t even have ONE really useful skill (SnR) without screams for nerfs.

jcbroe.4329:

Actually, I’d have to say that while it’s a broad category, the meta is already well defined as a Stability meta, where the vast majority of the builds are maximizing their sources of stability, and the most picked classes (Reaper, Revenant, Scrapper, Tempest) all have multiple sources of stability and can access it easily, with Reaper maybe being the most outlying of the group, but they just pump out so much damage and corrupt so many boons and are so obnoxious to fight and kill that every team comp will have a Reaper.

But yeah, I guess theoretically, we should also be trying to maximize our stability sources/uptime, but it won’t nearly be the same as what a Scrapper/Revenant/Tempest can do.

But how do we max stability when everyone already runs sotp? I suppose sig of the wild could be useful but at the cost of a stunbreaker, or a great utility like SnR.

UmbraNoctis.1907:

jcbroe.4329:

I’ve tried multiple times with multiple builds to make a full bar of shouts work and I personally just can’t do it unless the enemy team lacks a condi Reaper. […]

So far i don’t have many issues against condi reapers. It can’t fight them on point (1vs1) but if i kite them, i can win. However, most matches i had were very onesided and the enemys usually not the best, so i can’t say how well a full shout build will perform at higher levels.

I’m mostly experimenting with merc amulet and staff + s/t currently, just swapped to lb (and double generosity sigil) for a match against 4 reapers. And i’m testing Lingering Light instead of Ancient Seeds, because the roots just don’t last long enough to do anything in 99% of all cases. LL isn’t great after the nerf, but at least it is never completely wasted and i think, i will stick with it.

And even so i actually expected Guard to be a “kill pet button” in teamfights, it works surprisingly well for me so far. Pets die very rarely.

I like lingering light as well, but ancient seeds has been a life saver for me by buying time for me to stealth and disengage. I ran full shouts up until a few days ago and I’m starting to see that I need at least the 3rd stun breaker. I love “guard” but I can’t seem to justify that over protect me, GoT, and SnR.

Hey i am all for SnR being completely taken out of the game, so long as something as major and just as broken get taken from necro, rev, and engi.

Topher.5631:

Geron.8573:

It’s simple. Use CC.

I had a feeling when I opened this thread that there would be some druid main defending the point.

The problem is it isn’t all that telegraphed when the everything else is going on around you. If I am focusing a reaper for instance, I am looking for shroud 5 or Chilled to the bone to happen, not some bristleback running to the downed player.

…and what happens if you miss shroud 5 or chilled to the bone? Which is worse? Its Pick your poison, your argument makes no sense. I can’t stop A because I’m looking for B, therefore nerf A.

Yes more nerfs to a class that basically doesn’t need anymore, also lets nerf ele (heals op), Mesmer (portal op), warrior (too much vitality op), and thief (aa damage op if you stand still) more.

Lets not touch Rev, Necro, or Engi though they are fine.

Didn’t mention Guardian because the traps are op but the core needs buffs.

Archon.6480:

Yeah, they had to nerf ranger after seven of them made it into the championships, and dominated the matches… What’s that? Oh, right, that was revenant…

This is the part that puzzles me. A few guys that I will never meet, and make up .0025 of the player base (that’s made up but its a very small percentage) have the most control and influence on what gets done to pvp. Why?

I’d be fine if spirits were on a longer cooldown, but were a timed buff say like 6 secs.

morrolan.9608:

Hugh Norfolk.2798:

It seems like my change didn’t make it with this build so it will be going out soon in a hotfix. Also Crusader will be removed at the same time.

So what are classes without much inherent sustain supposed to do when you have classes with a lot of sustain combined with dps? You are over compensating and limiting build diversity in another direction.

Play rev, necro, or scrapper……….or die.

yeah, not too happy with this…..guess I’ll use uh…berserker now? Moar vitality!

WAI as far as I know.

Mouse.3608:

Aww man. I came in this thread hoping to steal someones shiny new broken beyond all belief condition build, and all I got was a build that was old news even when it was posted. :/

kitten you forums!

P.S. & On-Topic: Plz unnerf rune of the trapper, ty.

lol, Awesome post!

Terrorsquad.4802:

rummy.4102:

Brighteluden.2974:

Oh no Thieve’s and necro’s got buffs and now you’re seeing them more often in matches, since people are abusing the new 3 month yolo program...so surprising.

Fixed that for you.

Whats there to abuse on Thieves? They’re weak as kitten (compared to meta) and not part of the meta.
Guess you didn’t watch Pro Leagues.

Ppl should be glad when facing teams with a Thief or 2, easier to win. Just make sure you got 1 Rev. All you need to squash both Thieves.

That was mainly for the bandwagon necro players, I don’t really care or worry about thieves. I should’ve been more specific, forgive me. You are correct though, I don’t watch pro leagues. I don’t give a kitten about pro leagues.

Brighteluden.2974:

Oh no Thieve’s and necro’s got buffs and now you’re seeing them more often in matches, since people are abusing the new 3 month yolo program...so surprising.

Fixed that for you.

Check out the updated build thread for pvp in the ranger forums, there are a ton of useful druid builds and you can tweek them to suit your playstyle.

I use a variation of shoutbow and/or crusader gs/staff. Both are hugely effective but I split up my time between the builds depending on the enemy teams make-up.

I’m fine with mostly every class, but I’m really tired of the brain dead Aoe spam that covers a whole point. I’d be in favor if every class had Aoe to spam, then we could all just stand there and see who dies inside them the fastest.

Your role as a ranger/druid is team fight support, and +1’s. Make good use of your pets, that’s where your burst capabilities are. Are you playing core ranger or druid? A druid is one of the best 1v1 skirmishers in the game.

If your not using druid you are severely out gunned and out sustained.

I never felt robbed at all, I leveled my Ranger through tomes from pvp and now it’s my main class because of druid. I absolutely hate pve but used to enjoy raiding in other games, now it’s nice for me to play a class that I enjoy and is wanted in pvp and for raids.

I could see where different plays styles wouldn’t so much like it, but I really feel like it rounds out the class. I’ve never been a fan of all or nothing damage builds, but who knows the next elite spec may be just that. My 2cents

Hey Tragic, or any officer really I’d like to suggest a guild PVP team since that’s where most of my time goes (semi-casual cause I have kids).

I’m not an expert at it but I think I’m fair with a good team, I could definitely try and mentor some newer ranger players. I’ve won pretty mightily with a team of 4 rangers before….it would still be fun to try.

Already a member, but I’m glad to see this guild growing! I see a very fun guild pvp ranger team happening.

+1 to you too Tragic, you’ve been an awesome cheerleader(in a good way)/spokesperson for the profession!

Great suggestion, I’m all about dat boss.

I’m starting to think this skill is bugged, it only ever works for me when I’m almost right on top of a downed player. It would be awesome to use it in the range the tooltip says, but maybe its just me.

Zintrothen.1056:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATWnUqA9Ci9sA2CCctglZBD+fmQfoPBg603yZqNnyalMtzA-TJRIABGVGw7nAAO7PAwlAAA

Cleric is likely to outshine Mender. With soldier rune, you can cleanse some condis and heal through the rest. CCs aren’t a big concern if you can use CA 5 (cast and immediately cancel for a free 2 seconds of stability while casting other heals), Protect Me, and SotP well enough and kite as well. It’s a highly survivable spec in team fights and can survive 1v1s against most classes on a point long enough for help to arrive.

And best of all, it does TONS of pet damage. Seriously, pet swap into Bristleback f2 is pretty major burst with that quickness. You can also use Guard and then cast your heal after the 6 seconds (which you’ll probably need after all the damage your pet will take) for an instant 25 might stacks on your pet for wild Bristleback burst. Follow up with Rapid Fire for vulnerability and you’ll have a downed or retreating focus target immediately.

I’m running a very close variation of this to great success. I take GS over LB, and use water/transference on my staff. I took evasive purity, and greatsword training (obviously) for traits as well. I don’t use smokescale, I use the tiger.

This build rotates extremely well, its super fast and like you mentioned it is highly survivable and does respectable dps. This is by far the best roaming build I’ve seen or played.

Tragic Positive.9356:

rummy.4102:

I’d like to see that cleric bunker build Tragic, I tried a double staff (with the druid stun trait) build with the Crusader amulet and rune of the soldier. Seems like it was missing something though.

Was pretty good last meta.

My best bunker build post-shout change.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAnYWnMqAVsilsC+CCEtiFGBDupWV7qOhuRwpjpAc0CAncUROD-TJxHwAn2fQwTAAwpAAZZAA

It doesn’t have as much mobility – but that is not the key element of bunkering, right?
It has a huge lot of condi cleanse, it has a lot of survivability, it has pets with that damage spike, and has a lot of sustain.

I would have used Strength of the Pack – but I used it simply everywhere in every single build and felt like the bonus condi clear with this one and a bit of heal is just as worth it. You don’t deal much damage yourself – that’s what NM and Axe are there for to keep your pet mighted.

According to playstyle – there are adjustments that could be done better. But as a template – this would be the magic.

Thanks Tragic, Yeah I noticed the striders defense too so I’d change that but it looks fun to try.

I’d like to see that cleric bunker build Tragic, I tried a double staff (with the druid stun trait) build with the Crusader amulet and rune of the soldier. Seems like it was missing something though.

Was pretty good last meta.

Also of note: I played around with soldier rune last night and some shouts and the tool tips say nothing about removing condi’s. Don’t know if this is wai or not, I never actually tested it.

This is the build I used last night, seemed pretty good actually but I dunno if it was the build or just bad players.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQJATWnUqAlsiVsC2CCUtgFKB75Hs5ycw90iaTtJAsAiAnMsKoC-TZxGAB6u/g2lBE4IAAwlAwgHAAA

I still think my utilities could use some work, and the wolf pet is supposed to be bristleback (something was screwy with the loadout.)

This build is pretty tanky but I’m not sure if I wouldn’t be better served with more offense. I like it because if I screw up im not insta dead in 2.5 secs.

Out of 10 games last night I went 8-2 with this and held my own vs. every class but necro (if I didn’t see him a long way off). Thieves can be a problem too if they catch you on cooldowns or if you don’t see them.

I dunno I’m not an expert, but it was fun experimenting.

Dagger should be a better choice actually because dagger 4 is an evade no? I’ve also used double staff with the weapon swap = stun druid trait….its pretty cool….right now anyways.

Gonna be power Ranger again for me probably, necro gonna be so nasty I don’t wanna be close to them for very long. I also see medi guard coming back. It really sucks because for once we’re meta, a few months is too much I guess....although let’s make sure ele is always gonna be around to full any role needed.

Dunno about druid, it may live but I just don’t see it being very strong without durability rune and/or Cele/soldiers amulet

Will do…..I’ll give this a go. Send ya mail later.

Thud Kalethorn—-Pvp

name: Thud Kalethorn
server: Gate of Madness
Type: a little pve, mostly pvp

metabattle.com = reliable resource and good variety of working builds for most professions.

Guardian is the most versatile melee and has heavy armor, you can support/dps or support/survive or dps/support with about any build and they are fun to play so that gets my vote.

Everything is ‘Easy’ to play. Playing efficiently & effectively isn’t easy as a ranger, and positioning with taunt is extremely difficult sometimes because pet ai is most often terrible.

Fun when you win, “OMG this is OP, this needs nerfed NOW, I hate PVP” when you lose.