Guild Wars 2

Today I was a little late getting back to the game to go after the SB and I logged into the character screen OK .. though a bit slow loading graphics to said page .

after clicking on character it took almost 5 mins to actually get into the game ..

these LONG loading times have been an issue since about the time that Lions arch was repaired (and Lions Arch for a long time took even longer to load into which is why i moved all my characters out of there and try never to go there)

in answer to questions YES I mean the drop chests and IN those specific bosses there ARE NO yellows in 3 days..

I have had exotics not drop anything either ..

and I am talking NOT about something I have maybe not noticed before or a difference in play as I WAS playing the same all the way along and suddenly I was getting less and less of certian items dropping and fewer items from breaking items..

I THINK still that they unintentionally (or maybe intentionally) nerfed the silver coin salvage devices with out of their patches ..

I don’t know about the last fewer days though as I have completely given up on the game for the time being as even farming for materials has become too painful to be worth the effort for me .. a full week of farming WBs from 8pm est to aprox 11:30 om (3:30 hours for 7 days therefore) leaing me with less than 50 ectoplasms..

I will also mention again that EVEN breaking exotic items was ONLY often returning the base materials now to me (so the wood or metal) ..

NOT much point to trying to make ascended gear at these rates of drop/salvage as the expansion will be out before I have a chance to even get to my 2nd crafted armor piece FOR 1 character and then it will be a whole new wave of bugs and nerfs and the like so going to leave until MAYBE then ..

the recent crap though has kind of got me looking for a new game again as I have been back for 3 months and like when i played before it seems the over nerfs occur here every 3 months and then they want you to spend HUGE amounts of real money to make up for it (hell I spent $100 last month and my butt is sore from this months failure to get any answers from DEVs)

GL guys

been a bit since i posted here ..

ok the first issue i have found over the past 3 days is that the same bosses are NO longer dropping any yellows for me .. EVER ..

the destroyer, wyrm in caledon, Shatterer so here is one decrease in ectoplasm drops.

next is the rest of the breaks that I do get for yellows 2 out of 3 to 2 our of 5 give NO ectoplasm at this time. (It was much better with often recieving 2 to 3 out of many of them NOW getting 1 or 2 ectoplasm making leveling crafting skills past 400 VERY expensive).

lastly , salvaging ALL items is giving far less luck items with 130 magic find than when my magic find was only 125 (might not be magic find causing this BUT it seemed an odd correlation)

I also got a couple exotics this past 3 days and NEITHER of them gave ectoplasm NOT dark matter when broken (sure it is a low number of breaks BUT i don’t usually break exotics either and I bet a lot of us don’t BUT i was testing the response from breaking them with the silver coin salvager)

The numbers are just A LOT different since 2 weeks ago as if some random table has changed ..

I will also point out I am grouped with a full group of 80s against these world bosses so the numbers for drop iems somehow is wrong when before I was getting yellows WHILE solo

Great you don’t mind KSing and being basically farmed by higher levels BUT the first MMO I played was Ultima online and I hated it and stopped playing within 2 weeks of it coming out as it was a serious drag to spend time building up just to be flattened by someone WAY beyond you.. TOO many players would get to the apex of levels or skills and then think it was great fun to beat on the nubes which quickly stops being fun and you quickly have fewer new players and the game quickly dies off.

GvG I would myself like to see implemented BUT so far not much call for it and even then I would hate to see it in open world unless limited for the same reason as posted above that you end up with “big dogs” killing nub characters just because (and honestly it often feels like trolling the newer players after a while and might be why this game has a much friendlier atmosphere compared to others)
Fast leveling has been a common practice SINCE WoW did it with Wrath xpac and GW1 it was pretty fast getting to max level BUT then the work really began anyway.
to the idea of world channels IF you mean world chat channels

No No and NO..
any kind of open channel ends up sometimes spammed by stupidity and frankly the idea of being apmmed by stupidity for someone NOT even in the same zone is just a BAD idea and guaranteed to be abused on a regular basis by some.

Honestly I don’t know if you will find HUGE PvP/GvG/WvW changes with HoT and I think even if there are there could be very well and exodus from the game with large changes as the players who are comfortable with the present set up find THEIR Tyria gone.

Maybe this game isn’t for you OR maybe we all just need to occasionally accept than NO game is ever everything we want it to be and learn to like tose things we like and try to ignore the things we don’t.

GL with you travels in game and elsewhere .. see you around (I am a terror for trying new games and i don’t think i have missed a title of an MMO since ultima online came out in 1997 and before that i played a text based game called genie).

FYI I hate the forum limitations

RoseofGilead.8907:

party buddy.4956:

I think the salvage kit change was a stealth nerf, where the % on the kit went up, but the actual base from which the % is derived causes drops to be less, not more.

10% of 1 billion, instead of 10% of 1 thousand

Those changes only affected the lower quality salvage kits. There was no change made to the master/mystic kit, silver fed salvage o matic, or the black lion salvage kits. And I doubt the OP was using the masterwork or lesser quality kits for salvaging for ectos.

I didn’t know about the change at all and frankly GW2 wouldn’t be the first game with changes that had consequences that we accidental and unforeseen

TY all for your posts I will keep grinding out the WBs and see how it goes…

also I know i can get better amounts of drops in WvW (and especially the mists) but I am bored with it and it still wouldn’t HELP if the items you get were nerfed in someway as well..

again ty for the replies and post I will just have to keep and eye on it for a few more days and see if maybe I am just in a batter’s slump so to speak

It is only that last week and the beginning of this week the same world boss events from Teq to Covington were NOT giving me ANY yellows at all..

the past 2 days I have noticed that my items are back up to 2 or so yellows from the bosses and the bonus chest so 2 to 3 on average for 12 world bosses and yet at the end of 2 days I had a total of 21 ectoplasm and the only thing i was crafting was the ascended materials (steel, damask and wood)

also the essence of luck seems to have decreased since I was getting almost 2/3 of the way through a magic find % and yet now I am only getting 1/4 to a 1/3 for this self same 12 world bosses..

Zahld.4956:

this is more of a gameplay thing than a realism approach.

I would point out it is a fantasy game and realism REALLY doesn’t (shouldn’t and doesn’t) work..

I don’t get to throw fire balls from my hands (though there are a few people I wish I could do so to)

YOU know that if they were to allow this IT would be a special storage place requiring you to pay real money to access it and or expand it..

not necessarily a bad idea from a business aspect BUT I bet there would be a lot of complaints too

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Oh geez. My bad.

Still, it doesn’t seem logical to complain about misinformation.

Again, my apologies, OP. Ignore the man behind the curtain!

might be sarcasm BUT they aren’t necessarily IRRATIONAL ..

Bioware said they weren’t doing the same thing WoW had done and though the graphics to the “trait” tree or railroad was different IT was the same thing..

hey I won’t say another thing about it though as IT is their game .. and the yes men have the floor I guess ..

The yes men have helped WoW with their 13 billion players down to a much more manageable number and SWToR had a smaller community (not unlike GW2 but GWs was a bit bigger AT times but only because the game is FTP) but it has shrunk quickly with the advent of the changes.

Mourningcry.9428:

Obviously it’s magic… too bad it doesn’t extend to his feet…

How else would such a force be defeated from severe toe trauma?

just reading through these and this made me laugh ..

THERE is also the point that Shatterer NEVER looks to the right .. heck we pummel the heck out of him always from the right so shy doesn’t he just turn and smack us all one..

BOTTOM LINE you can’t make sense of a game where a person can conjure weapons and fireballs at will by real world standards (IF you think that people can do this in the real world I think it might be time for the nice men in white jackets to come get you)

I have tried to NOT read anything about the trait changes but no matter what I seem to do I keep finding out more about them and IT bothers me that it is starting to sound like the same crap Blizzard did to WoW and Bioware did to SWToR ..

there were a lot of people that said WoW changes didn’t change much since you usually chose builds BUT there was some variance and a feel of growth for your character as you leveled UNTIL they made the NEW and IMPROVED trait tree that basically gave you 1 of 3 choices every 15 levels after 30th i think it was and 2 of the 3 often were useless or only useful in certain circumstances.

SWToR changed their tree into a “read railroad” type deal which gave few choices and once the choice came up it was you chose what your you wanted to do be it DPS or Tank or healer.

I want choices .. HEY sure i might be nerfing myself BUT I want to be able to do it and sometimes these substandard builds have a use like for soloing or certain play styles

What I think GW2 needs IS for you to turn BACK the game a bit and MAKE us earn our weapon abilities again like we used to and earn the skill points to actually choose our skills (maybe increase some to 2 skill points if tougher ones or give 2 extra every 10 levels), and either remove the trait unlocks OR at least set them up so that the ones NO on the grand master list were not going to take FAR too long to get (those zone completes are insane sometimes as you badly out level content trying to get them done JUST for the one stupid trait point and IF unlucky you might have to do this repeatedly).

It is frustrating to have to earn something in a game maybe BUT i am tired of games that are really “dress up the dolly” games that every character is the same in effect and there is no difference same appearance and MAYBE weapons .. I can play doom2 and do that and that is a 20 year old FPS

not sure if that is the one you have to swim down and if so you might have been past it

i ONLY seem to have this happen in the low level zone and at the first jumping puzzle from the black citidel

end of last week with my magic find increasing from 1250 to 128 I had fewer yellow magic item drops during world boss (not the exotics) ..

now for the past 2 days I have found that breaking EVERYTHING from Teq to covington in the world boss train with the same salvage kit (using the silver coin op one) I have been getting less than 20 ectoplasm for it all and a lot less essences (though the essences i would have to chart a bit as I also seem to be getting the higher end ones a little more often I am also often getting NO essences at all) …

I am not sure if it is the patching .. or an intentional change (sucks if it is as I am going to be forced to purchase ectoplasm for making ascended gear as it is now going) but it seems a little off

I should point out as far as the ectoplasm goes I WAS pulling in 25 to 27 a day and up to 30 to 40 SO this is a huge decrease

I am over joyed with the idea that there MIGHT be alternative sets .. I am SO tired of zerker gear being pretty much the only go to set for every class and build (only minor changes for certain world bosses)

It has been occurring all day .

at first i thought i was hitting the escape key but then it happened randomly on it’s own ..

the lo out window just seems to pop from time to time without rhyme or reason to it and it isn’t the options window just straight to the log out .

non-malicious trolling always ends up becoming toxic .. PERIOD !!

sure it seems funny and amusing BUT sooner or later someone else takes it up maybe against the same person and then that person figures it out and in truth all you are being is bullies picking on the minority ..

IF you want to troll, troll your friends and see how long they remain that way and what happens.

We already have people going to Claw of Jormage and calling out “scrubs” when people fighting go down when trying to kill the wall and the other one is the L2P one that is popping up more and more .. BOTH I consider rude and toxic and grant the person a quick trip to my ignored list .

Neither of these are constructive as they don’t HELP in anyway AND i am sure the person saying them THINKS they are funny but the person on the other end probably doesn’t.

it is grade school behavior and I believe the game is MUCH better with a friendlier and more helpful community.

also the forums aren’t dead JUST not spammed with messages and MAYBE this is because unlike the other games people are playing rather than “trolling” the forums?

Ok do precurser weapons still spawn in the jumping puzzle chests as pre the GW2 wiki (there are a few errors i have found there so was wondering)

I have been doing 10 to 14 of them daily with 3 to 4 characters now for a month or so and was just curious if I am wasting my time.

I know that if the numbers are to be trusted the chance of getting one MIGHT be low enough that i AM more likely to be hit by lightning out of a clear blue sky and yet it is better little chance to almost no chance..

also does magic find effect jump puzzle chests does anyone know?

ok I admit i haven’t looked at the new up and coming system (i am afraid of it and know anything as a rule it just gives more frustration time)

IF they are dumbing it down though I would NOT be surprised as EVERY MMO is trying to follow WoWs idea to do this regardless of the fact that their talent system has caused what is already a declining population to decrease even faster ..

Likewise SWToR has done the same thing to make “balancing” easier BUT it has had a terrible effect on population numbers as well ..

Sadly everyone seems to see WoW as the game that has it figures out AND yet their subs are declining faster and faster ..

IF this is the thought that caused this I HOPE they STOP .. WE don’t need WoW imitators we need a game that is worth playing

I use the 3rd person view and the veteran imp for some reason will fly over and behind your head and remain there ..

you can attack them this way BUT you can’t actually see them and nor can you really see anything in this view and your field of view becomes extremely limited as it is block by something close behind you

this is the only time I have seen this occur but maybe it is else where as well

ok so I have to go purchase an in game item or be a specific class? (was trying to do this for the first time on my mesmer as my engineer is a charr and I hate doing jumping puzzles with the charr)

and ty for the info

This jumping puzzle doesn’t seem to work ..

you get through the first section fine BUT then in the stormy station area I got attuned and jumped across the rock to the branch BUT you CAN’T reach the other branch before the wind section again as it is too far away

Checked online for puzzle solutions and ALL of them did just what i did up to that point BUT THEY had the branches much closer together

Just to bump this and hope for a DEVs answer IF targeting IS ever going to actually work ..

Tab target DOESN’T EVER choose the target right in front of you .. IT will target one at a range (so you pull a huge extra number of mobs potentially) or anywhere BUT the one that is probably hitting you at that time

I really hope they one day fix this

I am 45 (didn’t think i would get past 18 when i was younger and the bench mark seems to keep increasing)

Lets face it MMOs and online things are not based on age anymore just the wish to do things ..

as a semi disabled person I like to have something to do and since no one in their right mind hires a person who MIGHT end up off injured again I hide in such games as GW2 since I was around for the start of MMO genres (even played text based MMOs back in the day) ..

33 years old is still YOUNG to me now so do what you want to do

I think that Arenanet is really shooting themselves in the foot with these 7 day pet timers ..

I want a bunch of the ones right now on a 7 day timer BUT I won’t have spare money until the end of the month so I will not be able to get them ..

I guess it is just that they don’t want my money??

I can see ending a timer after a month or so but these pets are only up for a week and now are up on a 7 day timer and I bet a lot of us playing deal with money constraints so basically yet again maybe GW2 is only for the wealthy??

I agree leveling is too fast but then I thought this when the game was new ..

sadly as some have mentioned if it is too slow or too much of a grind people complain ..]

at the max level you have to grind a lot of mats out for gearing up and such so basically this is what THEY consider also leveling (even though many of us hate it as it feels so boring) .

I miss when the game was newer and when you also HAD to pick up the skill points by doing the challenges as this was more like gaining and leveling and removed some of the feeling of pointless gear grinding.

also THIS is the same way as GW1 was .. it was easy to get to max level and fairly fast BUT then you had to actually gain things that you needed to be able to actually compete.

GW2 is not a game for everyone BUT some like the fast leveling (if you craft and try to complete zones and do the storyline YOU WILL out level content VERY quickly) but it has always been like this and most games have taken this course to keep the game easier for more casual players..

Of course it will get to be a pain later when all these casuals start crying that they can’t get the pre curser weapons or legendary weapons as the time consumption is huge BUT then we will see if they knuckle under to that as well

Dungeons have the same problem that the other infamous game (oh WoW I mentioned it) had and it is because they all have the same type of game model..

Wrath in WOW made all heroic instances a speed race to complete and at the end the game was like playing a character supported by 4 AIs that never talked to each other and this literally destroyed the idea of an MMO to me..

Now the trouble being some people want this or maybe most want this so here we are and all games are being made in this image because it made big money (never mind that this type of game build have in the past few years been failing fast with both WoW and many brought out since)

I do miss the old EQ idea of running a group with differing set ups like a puller, mezzer and healer and the like BUT GW2 would require too much of a rework to make it function like that so I will accept the good with the bad..

I do think they should make it harder to ignore mobs BUT at the same time you have to becareful too or you get the incessant call of “train to zone” all the time (anyone who played EQ in it’s hay day can remember Low guk calls of this nature and you pity the poor fool who zoned in at the wrong time or were afk the the zone)

Pandaman.4758:

Paul.4081:

I think Anet rolled a lazy. Charr run on all fours, have you ever tried to outrun a dog or cat. Trust me, I have, they don’t run in slow motion, they have individuality just like we have our ru/walk speeds.

Ah well Anet is happy with big = slow, DUH!

It’s a design decision to not make any race have an inherent advantage over another, which is the same reason why racial skills are underpowered. If characters got bonuses based on race, then every warrior/guardian you see will either be a Norn or Charr and every spellcaster an Asura.

You enjoy being kicked from dungeon parties for not having the right gear? Well, imagine that and people kicking you for not having the right race/class combination.

Good luck finding any MMOs that don’t do this.

YEP 100% .. all other MMOs end up just this way ..

I will also say I wish they would give us a little more model options for charr even though the ones I have are fine I just can’t make a charr caster as they always look too much like bruisers

doombreaker.3710:

I’m really irritated that there is absolutely nothing new today. It’s not like we had much content the last few weeks either.

there is a lot of talk about this and many think it has a lot to do with the XPAC and that they are busy with it so no updates BUT then again wasn’t that the point of living world?

;)

Cyninja the only issue I see with the possible changes with the conditional damage is you will suddenly have everyone looking for rampage gear instead of the zerks gear they are now all using ..

I don’t know IF it can be “fixed” as such other than bringing back the trinity (and i kind of hate that idea as it is nice to not have to get the “right” group together and I am one of those nutty ones who plays an ele in support/dps role)

Guest.8245:

Thoughts on this;

1) Reasons for zerker-only PvE
- Ease of use
- Lack of need to vary gear
- It’s not actually the only thing since PvP has different gear types
- Varying playstyles already existing in the game, separate from gear-driven ones
- Other gear is still viable, just not as efficient

2) Reasons against zerker-only Pve
- Anet have stated they don’t like it
- It’s a waste of a system (Gear)
- Confusing for new players (Of the 25 types of gear, only one is worth buying?)
- Making other gears more relevant does not necessarily mean:
a) Creating a “minimum threshhold” of tankiness (Gear Check)
b) You need to stop using zerker.
c) More viable Gear Types increases build diversity at the cost of nothing.

I guess to me this idea of “Zerker only” being fine is a bit weird. If that’s the case, why not just remove the whole gear system, and everyone gets the same gear and all that changes is your level?

What reasons did I miss for zerker only being fine?

“I guess to me this idea of “Zerker only” being fine is a bit weird. If that’s the case, why not just remove the whole gear system, and everyone gets the same gear and all that changes is your level?"

sorry the double quote BUT this is exactly my issue with the whole system .. other than play style YOU are basically being told YOU MUST wear zerker gear at all times ..

I am arguing about celestial gear because it takes so long to make and I am being to celestial is no good for anything other than PvP on an Ele BUT I found IT helps me in PvE as well (I am just waiting for the “you need to learn to p-lay BRO” message)

at this time the only thing all the other mats and crafting types are for is to burn off so you can level the crafting and then break down again .. anything using blood you keep and use..

it seems a poor system you might as well get rid of everything else at this time and just give us everything we are from other mat types as blood so we can actually make the type a gear that CAN be used (ok assassin gear works for some classes as well I admit).

Here is the thing that I base as my playing as per zerker vs celestial though ..

I try to do WBs everyday (never know i might one day get a good drop though I also admit i am still WAITING) .. BUT with zerker gear my down time is a lot higher i think

WBs all have AE damage often over a large area so dodging is not always possible (Teq and the stupid circles can be nasty to dodge since I often find another drop right where I end up time and again< Claw has fear and KB as well as AE ice comets when you are in zerg all of which end up dropping me time and again due to lack of health from zerker gear)..

I now have 5 out of 6 armor as celestial and 1 zerker with zerker staff and zerker jewelry (equivalent made from my jeweler as NONE of those exotic items are BoA) and I find I can take a fair bit more damage without downtime and my heals are A LOT better when in water ..

The numbers for zerker gear only is wonderful in PvE BUT it doesn’t take into effect the idea that you are often paper thin and will drop from very little .. if you go down often enough reviving from actual death is also a lot slower and during this time you over all contributions to a fight = 0 ..

i have noticed there are a lot of players that will help and revive after you are down (I will go out of the way myself to revive players as it makes the fights faster) BUT there seems to be more and more who can’t be bothered to help anyone and are more concerned with DPS only

I am not questioning the over all stats but I do wonder how well the number take in effect of the downtime you are spending and IN the case of ele’s the fact that IF you are using water for healing at all or for the mater guardian if in a dps/support role.

IT is one of the weaknesses and benefits of a game that tries to ignore the unholy trinity of tank/healer/dps that all classes end up DPS but it seems that a lot of these fights JUST don’t work as a all out DPS as glass cannons if in cloth armor (guardians aren’t so bad mine is ok BUT heavy armor really helps out here)

I am sure someone will say I NEED to learn to play and all I can say is MEH..

today was the first day I played my ele with 4 pieces of celestial gear and the first time I was constantly gold in events for bosses as I wasn’t down all the time WHERE as in full zerker gear I was pulling in silvers from time to time..

I think it is still up to the player what gear they were BUT I still also say they made making celestial gear ridiculously harder to create than any other type and think it really could be curved a bit (you can make more ascended items with times every 4 to 6 hours I think BUT celestial is 24 hour CD and seems a bit excessive)

Pickles.9436:

I’m scared

not of the scammers, but for the community. It seems every day one of these posts needs to be made, to post the same thing of showing a false in game mail, with the yellow words at the bottom saying its not from anet.

Does this need to be posted daily? Do the forums always have to have at least ONE thread of something like this posted on a daily basis?

every game has scammers like this .. blizzard warns and warns people and still people will do stupid things (the scammers would stop if people stopped following idiotic instructions)

This game is no different than all the rest other than it is FTP after the initial purchase (the $10 sale was perhaps a bad idea as it gave scammers and cheap way in BUT it might also add players to the game which makes the game last longer long run wise)..

Don’t let it worry you JUST remember basic security and there is nothing the scammers can do .. well besides annoy the heck out of you (they do this from time to time to me but it is easy enough to ignore repeatedly )

laokoko.7403:

I dont’ think it’s a big deal to spend 1 minutes clicking for a charged quartz everyday. People seem to make a big deal out of it.

A full ascended set probably cost a good 500+ gold. Which could take some time depend on play style. Mot pve players probably rack that much in 10 days. People who only play wvw would have a hard time making those money.

you have to tell me how you make 500g in 10 days ..

I have floated around 40 g for over 2 months and I primarily play PvE ..

they made the time consumption FOR just this set too extreme .. I like to play a game NOT be forced to live a game

I wanted to try gearing up my ele with celestial gear (as per some people saying it is the best option) but my gawd..

ok 30 days to get the materials for the gear since you need to charge the quartz crystals which are account bound and CAN only be done once a day per account..

NOW if you do gear progression this would be 120days to get a full set of armor, jewelry and one weapon to ascended level going through the exotic phase..

IT just seem VERY obnoxious amount of time to have to spend to get the gear together for one character

tolunart.2095:

It’s essentially a gear reset, like when other games raise the level cap when an expansion is released. Suddenly your BiS gear is not anymore and you have to go out and earn new gear.

It’s a common enough thing in MMOs, the environment is always changing and the company behind the game is not going to hand out new stuff every time it happens. It provides a reason to keep playing the game, if you want to play a game that never changes once you reach the end, this is the wrong genre. It is assumed that any aspect of the game can and eventually will be changed.

I agree with you BUT I have NEVER had to spend 120days to get geared up like it is for say the celestial gear .. and celestial is only useful for 2 classes anyway

I have had questions about this myself ..

for my elementalist I have been working on celestial gear (only the exotic as I will see after that for acended) ..

for celestial gear it is going to take 30 days to make enough charged crystals which are account bound .. and for a weapon and jewelry another 30 days ..IF I want to really annoy myself and make ascended gear I double that to a total of 120days or 4 months to make my gear I beleive (plus 10 days to make a mawdrey since this is another 10 charged quartz) ..

then out comes the new expansion and it is all a waste of time..

Since this week I think it was that they put in the patch that has my 2 ability pulsing at me most of the time (regardless of what I am doing but not all the time) I have has camera lag (jerky as if it can’t keep up when turning or whatever and I never had this issue and am using a 2 GB nvidia card that SHOULD more than keep up and used to).

risen thralls when knocked back seem to be teleporting back to me and the risen brute knock down timer seems to be way faster as I need to be dodging before the attack is telegraphed or i get hit/

not sure what is up these things are occurring at any time of the say whether soloing story missions or WBs or events what have you in PvE.

Just getting VERY frustrating and wondering if i am the only one to notice it before I try support and bother them

MrWubzy.3587:

EazyPanda.6419:

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Nicely typed. I dislike it when others use the word ‘grind’ in the wrong way, and it makes me harken back to the days of Final Fantasy II (IV) on the SNES. Grinding out those levels just to complete most of the sections…THAT’S grind. Having to speed needless amounts of time just to play the kitten game is grind. Not going after an optional skin/drop/shiny, that’s called farming.

And before somebody comes in and says, “Well you have to ‘grind’ to 80 to play Living Story!” Not really. But you also have Personal Story to do along the way. In Final Fantasy IV, there was no content to do while I leveled up. If there was (optional summon drops, equip drops) that was all OPTIONAL stuff, and I’d be farming for them. But my main goal was leveling to fight the boss or complete that section.

THAT’S grind.

in truth your idea that you have to “grind to 80th level” doesn’t hold true either.

It takes NO real time in most MMOs to level to max post WoW and the quest for experience model ..

They hand everything to you now IN most games .. You really don’t need to earn anything (save maybe achieves BUT most of them I stumble over anyway while playing) ..

NOW grinding is like old EQ1 when you spent 10 to 12 hours in the same spot killing the exactly same spawns to level up (if you were low enough level that is as sometimes it took a lot of days to do this) .. Or Ultima Online and the insane amoutn of times you had to end up using your abilities to finally get it up to a reasonable level (UO has or had no levels as such just skills you had to increase) ..

The over all PROBLEM with ALL MMOs is that they play like a game you play for a month then delete maybe to come back to restart after a year or 3 ..

MMOs you are supposed to have “growth” and honestly I think the issue is the games (this one as well) give you way too much in way too short a time .. It doesn’t take all that long to level to 80th level .. then you have to get your character geared up (this DOES take a lot of grinding but since you level so fast you should know you are going to get caught somewhere) …

IF you want to be handed everything an MMO really isn’t the place and a first person shooter is definitely a better game for you ..

myself I am hoping for a game more in line with the old eq that DOES take a long time to level up so you can feel actual growth in the character instead of ending up feeling like a “cheap one night stand”… sadly I also know this won’t happen as the gaming companies are all after “big money” which means making it appeal to the players like myself who want a challenge and a game the lasts a long time and the more casual players who might only play for 2 to 3 hours through the week and then a bit more on the weekends .. because of the second group of players those like myself have suffered since 3 or 4 years into EQ 1 so about 16+ years

this has been on going for 2 weeks and I figured i would let it slide as some people were saying maybe I wasn’t hitting the “boss” enough or whatever ..

This answer doesn’t always work though as sometimes I don’t get event completion BUT can loot from boss ..

it is getting very frustrating as I also do the pre event stuff BUT then am not getting much out of it save XP and karma (2+ million and counting)

tonight I got it with ULogoth the Modniir boss that I got the gold rating to the event BUT no loot .. sometimes this will happen repeatedly then other times as I have said I will get no XP but will get the loot (would rather JUST get the loot if it has to be borked)..

again I also wouldn’t mind BUT you have people looting from the bosses who NEVER do the pre event WHILE I do the pre event as get nothing .. is this telling us just to all be lazt and wait for the event to fail or what?

People already whining about the drop rates ??

It is in only 2 zones and the beta keys will drop from time to time so it is part of the issue ..

it is like the other game (that shall not be named) and the fact players whined about how difficult dungeons were to do at first after an xpac .. so they turned it down and NOW everyone was in to forums whining that they didn’t have anything to do since they breezed through the content ..

I want to know if the beta keys can be sold in the trading post for in game gold ..

after doing betas from ultima online to present ( last one i did was for ESO) and being ignored about the bugs that remained for upwards of 6 months after a lot of beta posts and well as forum posts after launch I have NO desire to do beta .. IT is too much like work (if done right) and you basically just end up destroying your new content since you already know most of it at launch

Wolfey.3407:

It is getting bad,
I’ve reported this numerous times based on a ton of the threads on this topic that seem to pop up almost weekly. Until we hear something (same boat as you guys), the best thing to do is:
1) Ignore them
A) Turn off Map Chat/ Say Chat
B) Report those that cross the line (racism, death threats etc.)

2) Try to foster a positive environment, if you see a lot of negativity going on, try to put a positive spin on it. E.g. “Stupid thief can’t even stay alive” instead of joining the trash the newbie train, try responding with something like "Hey, you’re doing great damage but you should try attacking from behind ".

you have good ideas but sadly I doubt it will make a difference as there really is no way to penalize players who don’t follow the simple idea of treating others the way you would want to be treated ..

many players are getting the ME ME ME attitude (and though it is major in PvP it is growing in PvE)

up until my problems as of today I used to try and “help” other players whenever possible .. if in WvW hop into combat if need be (as a ranged character) and revive a downed player ..

after today I doubt I will both wasting my time reviving at all .. upside I am going to be able to maybe move the “f key action” button if i can as I would need it for these types of things

Just my own personal and biased reaction is all

also I will point out many of these players are behaving like abused children who free the need to lash out at others .. if in real life they would probably be corrected but due to the anonymity of playing from behind an internet connection and the fact that the games makers can understand a little lose now may mean a stronger game later on, it is only going to get worse

Dondagora.9645:

shaman.1938:

hackks.3687:

1. LOL at 5 of you losing to a single Thief
2. It’s a zerg – it doesn’t care about 1 or 2 players, they’re zerging in order to farm rewards
3. This is PvP. No one cares about WvW here

so sorry I posted in the wrong forum .. gawd terrible ..

ty though for showing me the attitude for PvP and WvW really is this bad and non team work ..

No, no. It just seems like you have the wrong perspective. In PvP, you sometimes abandon your team on mid to steal far. Same thing: The zerg wasn’t going to slow itself down just ‘cause they lost a few. That’s just an unreasonable expectation.

the time to stop and revive the players at the end is not even going to barely slow it down but meh ..

it was more the attitude that I wasn’t even supposed to bother to mention that they were being followed and targeted as they went along .. he I get it .. don’t bother say anything and just pretend every other character is an npc since we aren’t supposed to say anything unless the few elite want to say something ..

if this game has a sub i would be off to the unsub option as the attitude seems to have decreased badly in just the last few weeks ..

this isn’t pointed at the last post BTW at least you didn’t feel the need to be rude about it ..

WE weren’t BTW "separated from the zerg .. and it wasn’t just 1 thief but the AE from about 3 or 4 NPCs that the zerg agroed whille breaking the wall ..

I always thought it was supposed to be a team effort and we were supposed ot work together .. obvously I was wrong but ty for all the answers since it means IF i am in WvW in some distant time I will play accordingly

GL .. there are a lot of nice helpful people on this game ..

Sadly in the past couple weeks it seems the trolls are increasing radically ..

me i am considering giving up this game because though I enjoy it i find the rude obnoxious attitudes that many have is making the game a solo to end and then restart type game

hackks.3687:

1. LOL at 5 of you losing to a single Thief
2. It’s a zerg – it doesn’t care about 1 or 2 players, they’re zerging in order to farm rewards
3. This is PvP. No one cares about WvW here

so sorry I posted in the wrong forum .. gawd terrible ..

ty though for showing me the attitude for PvP and WvW really is this bad and non team work ..

this is just a curiosity as I was in edge of mists and was curious how most players in WvW feel about this

I and about 4 others were at the back of the zerg heading up the stairs to a capture point .. about 3 to 4 NPCs were dropping AEs in the area THEN an enemy thief jumps in and manages to kill us .. NOW we were at the back BECAUSE we were dealing with the guards that would have been on the rams taking down the walls

when I mentioned that there was 1 enemy behind them I was told “you stopped the zerg to warn us about one player .. if you fall behind it is your fault”

we were literally the equivalent to 5 feet behind the mobs of players BUT it was not right that they stop and help a downed player TILL after the capture ..

IS this the common WvW belief??

I am not trying to be mean but not sure how you can have issues since i just made 2 new characters and had no issues what so ever with a name.

If you want to name yourself .. Iamnumberone .. or something like that I can see the juvenile people all choosing it .. choose a popular character name is likewise likely not only taken BUT possibly locked or you could end up being made to change it since it is probably copy written..

stop being lame with names .. you have a lot of letter to choose from and you can use a 2nd name since you can add spaces

YES and I would love to see the maps better balanced and penalties for “team ups” ..

I watched it today as the 2 other teams literally avoided each other to gang up on the 3rd team ..

the 3rd team is already WAY below numbers level of the other 2 since people get tired of never getting to do anything but die and respawn and not even having their own keep ..

lastly in the edge of mists the fear/knock off bridges is a bit too much .. hey it would be fine IF every class could do it but some can’t so we end up with more tedium

personally going back to never going into PvP of any sort

ty guys for the info .. I was startinf to worry it was just me

kk tyvm I need to try that before I roll out of combat again