Guild Wars 2

Brew Pinch.5731:

Healing turret used to heal double? That would have been OP, fair nerf imo

Honestly dude, if you enjoy FT, you will LOVE nades/bombs. FT is our weakest kit by a looong way imo, the animation (of flame jet) reaching double the range of the actual hits doesn’t help either. (why the fug is that still an issue 9 months in by the way? Perhaps it is only an issue for large races? i.e. Charr?)

Pick up the elixir gun and run a condi/elixir build, you will thank me, seriously x

For WvW where you can pick up real Knights (power, prec, toughness [vitality is trash in PvP without tough]) run a nade/bomb build and enjoy some of the most brutal AoE in the game (although, hardest to land).

This post is full of misinformation about the flamethrower.

If you have targeting problems with flame jet, you need to practice more. 425 range is shorter than you think.

Get closer. It is a bunker weapon.

i’m having fun now.

they woke the dragon.

it’s been a couple months since i’ve had a chance to vent my anger towards stupidity on the forums. I must have cleared a few infractions by now, let’s see if i can get banned for setting the house on fire again.

why on EARTH do people want the old jugg back?

yay i have stability!! so I can stand here and not be knocked down OR get away while I eat this damage. While I am at it, let’s get the vacuum back so I can pull MORE foes to my side to beat on me while I do zero damage, and can’t move because of yet another self CC built in to an ability. it’s like wishing for us to have our downed state while still alive. Can’t move, can’t dmg, can’t get away.

we already have perma protection with the ft kit. protection + 200 toughness = awesome. Especially without the ridiculous self CC.

but the way you are pointing is the way that you see things. the difficulty arises in mmos because every player sees and plays differently from one another and differently from the developers.

this is not meant to imply that your perspective is invalid but rather that this is why players break games, especially mmos. and, tragically, the problem actually compounds the older and more populated the game world becomes.

in a manner of speaking, the game world cultures itself (like a real society, or like a petri dish if you are a cynic like i am), but as such builds a series of traditions that are very delicate and fragile in their composition, but extremely hard to break.

making changes of any kind must needs be made with the entire culture in mind, carefully and calculated, or your petri dish becomes chimera without a belerefon instead of penicillin.

it is an incredibly deep and interesting phenomenon to watch, and more so when you trace these kinds of developments both within microcosms of games themselves and collectively within the macrocosmic genre of mmo as a whole.

. . .

perhaps enginner is the JTHM of GW2 and suffers the overflow of RNG in order to provide stability to the game as a whole. you may think i make mountains out of dredge hills, but i really do think the issue is as much a moral one as a technical one.

New warrior shout:

“Exasperation :

5s Self-immobilize.

Warrior places hands on hips and shout “Oh, Brother!” while taking a healthy dose of reality. Allies within 240 range take 345 pity damage."

that still means that those 5 skilled, competitive, privileged players are better at playing a class than the majority of forum posters.

like it or not, forum chatter about anything is the vocal MINORITY not a majority. of the entire subscriber base, how many actually post on the forums? how many of those actually post regularly? how many post frequently (like ourselves)?

until videos stop appearing of engineers kittening face, and until the entire consensus is that the profession is no longer fun, there is no leg for naysaying to stand on other than “other classes out perform us”.

here are some anecdotal stats for you:

flamethrower > warrior longbow
elixers > warrior warhorn
T3 nades > EVERYONE’s range (but it costs .. SO WHAT .. ITS BETTER THAN EVERYONE!)
kits > faster swapping and more options than even a warrior
(notice the trend yet….)

I should go to the warrior forum and cry about how engies are better than us. By default that makes rogues and DD ele better than us too … oh wait, warriors already kitten about how they only get to do one thing.

the point to that is if warriors are good as Anet claims, then the forums wouldn’t be full of kittens, but they are, because this is where kittens go to mewl. Warrior’s rock, but you’ll still wade through QQ posts before getting to the good stuff. Just like the engie forum, the players who have no problem are busy playing, and they outnumber you.

forums are nothing more than an AoE of QQ, with a few nukes of truth scattered about.

you dont have to like it.

(P.S. those warriors who solo dungeons are people just like the engies who kittenyarn all over others in videos .. they are SKILLED players. You think everyone with a warrior could solo lupercus? kittenOLOL …..)

Rezzet.3614:

just saying if players want FT as dps weapon they doing it wrong

ya … that’s what Poe and I are saying too.

stop expecting the FT to be a dps weapon, start using the FT as a utility

all we have claimed is that the FT damage doesn’t suck completely, it is sufficient for the playstyle of the FT.

of course we would like it to do more. who wouldn’t? never disputed that.

our point is that DPS is not the point of the FT, so stop crying about something that isn’t even there to begin with.

I recommend the rifle, yes, because of the crowd control that Net Shot and Overcharged Shot offer. Combined with Sitting Duck or Precise Sights traits the FT/Rifle build does a very solid job.

See my sig for a guide on Rifle/FT builds for structured pvp.

Or use apothecary armor and get tough, cond, heal.

Clerics is the cheap man’s banner armor, and rocks pve like a freshly anchored ship on your mothers night off. That is, it’s great, power, tough, and heal, dps and regen.

If you are a banner warrior, your dps is secondary anyway, your job is to buff, and support heals.

I’ve tried both 0/25/15/30/0 and 25/0/15/30/0 builds (adrenal health is so good) in attempts to balance the two. In pve I’ve found the prior to be better, in unison with apothecary when using 1h sword and war horn for a bleeds cleanse build. Love it.

In pvp the cond dmg build is great for laying down flame aoe while buffing the group.

Your banners, regardless of game type, ought to be set up like Venn diagrams to spread out as much regen as possible (5 peeps per banner) while overlapping the buffs of the action.

Banners are a support role, not a front lines role. My banners tick for 385 heals on my compadres. My self regen with signet is over 1200, ~650 without signet (assume three stacks adrenal health). That with the boons they provide and my war horn cond conversion, my groups have no problem completing tasks, and I typically end up a primary target in pvp when the foe realizes how much I am countering theirs efforts.

Swinging a big sword isn’t the only way to contribute meaningfully.

Back on topic; clerics for cheap armor, or get pre/vit/heal (mostly from hotw tokens) or the jones’s apothecary armor for pimpin rides.

Engies did not get nerfed.

OstrichEggs got nerfed.

The rest of us were buffed.

my complaint is not about greed but about what I believe to be flat out wrong.

as the above said, bandwidth and storage are not an issue. they haven’t been for almost ten years.

Anet should be charging for other things than simply creating a custom match.

bartrentenaar.8674:

It’s still a terrible and useless utility skill. Utility skills are so important for engi’s, they rely on heavy dmg kits, on life saving elixirs and then u got this crappy skill (that is almost not to be taken seriously) which makes you jump forward, without breaking stuns and crappy damage, it was a joke, and it still is.

stuns, no, but all other movement impairing effects? yes.

blast finisher? check.

damage? check.

gap creator/closer? check.

i find your lack of faith in the booties disturbing.

Dyeus.6759:

Everyone does damage, everyone does support, everyone does healing, why take a kit that does less dmg and only gives you a aoe pushback?

have you actually read any of this thread? you ought to.

@Amadeus: re: out of room:

Make a new post, maybe two, as placeholders, then, in the OP, paste a permalink to the new posts with a hyperlink note saying: “AMG Too Many Vids! Click here for more!” or sommat, and you will be just fine.

:)

Spaceghost.3485:

or do more dmg than a Catholic School girl on Sunday on her way to church.

you ever met a pastor’s daughter on a sunday? she will school you in things you’ve only theorybated about.

don’t diss divine power.

i run clerics with a soldier’s jewel and those same runes.

I have 18332 HP and 1k heals with 3k power adn 3k toughness.

bunkers do not stack vita. just because they CAN doesn’t mean they DO.

your logic is flawed.

potentiality and reality are two different things.

you need to come back to the virtual reality within which this discussion is placed

ie: the actual builds that use AR and the actual equipment AR engies take.

i still think each turret needs to be a “kit” of it’s own, so you “swap” to the individual turret’s “kit” to deploy/overcharge, detonate remains on the toolbelt, and then add on three ancillary abilities:

1) attack my target
2) weak attack (like a small aoe heal burst on healing turret)
3) strong attack (like an aoe bandage drop around the healing turret)
4) overcharge
5) pickup/plant (within range)
F#) detonate/toolbelt skill

that way engies could micro manage the turrets from anywhere on the point.

if your ally is near your net turret, and you are far away, you could swap to the turret controls, drop down an oil slick to slow your ally’s foe. or maybe it is a flame turret, and you activate a smoke field to blind your foe and help your ally get away.

many more opportunities for dynamic play would be available if we could swap to our turrets for extra skills like we do our kits.

and they need much much much more health to make them long term fixtures on the battle field.

they need to be threatening enough that a foe has to actively choose to attack it instead of you, leaving you to attack your foe (just like prioritizing ranger pets). they need to be strong enough to survive direct fire long enough for YOU to become the threat.

that was a cool video to watch.

patience, perseverance, and an endless supply of replacement parts.

that’s all it takes.

I think the history of my posts shows that I have been advocating the FT for quite some time now, and yes I got massively buffed because lifesteal food is irrelevant in spvp.

25 range in game is not on top of you, but beside you.

I don’t tpvp with a flamethrower, because the ft is best with larger groups, just as I prefer roaming in wvw. on my warrior I use a banner/warhorn in wvw and a rifle/signet spec in spvp. the game not only allows you to spec differently, it encourages and rewards it.

retaliation us ad to any channeled attack, yes, kinds nice that air blast doesn’t do damage when you knock away the sob with retal, then net shot and move away while the buff ends. or any number of ways of dealing with it.

It seems to me that you expect to barge in with the ft and burn everything tobthe ground in a kind if spray and pray. the ft is far more strategic than that.

nope, for further spvp fun with the flamethrower, check out the thread in my signature!

unless ive missed a post somewhere, I am still unconvinced that these leaked notes are entirely legitimate.

why would they nerf TWO of our downed abilities?

why would they give us more access to burning duration?

what does this bug fix that changes our double heal at water’s edge entail and why is it not mentioned for any other class?

what does a Blind have to do with “Acidic Coating”?

Jugg as a Master trait is exceedingly overpowered.

Leg Mods + Stabilized Armor + Protection Injection = Lulwhat?

and, re: the stun break shuffle – as someone else mentioned already, why does “build diversity” have to come at the cost of “nerfing existing builds” …

and this is just the Engi Hullaballoo.

if these really are patch notes … I have lost any last shred of confidence in Anet, because if these are the patch notes then they clearly indicate that Anet have not ever actually played this game live.

why is it that the engies who post outside of the engie forum always profess to know more about their alt classes than their main classes which they barely know how to play?

google, give it a rest. you and waka both make poor ambassadors.

king at what? dps output?

no one has ever claimed ft/eg is better dps. ever. the ft/eg builds are GROUP oriented focus, the grenades are FOE oriented focus.

NEITHER DOES THIS MEAN THAT GRENADES ARE USELESS IN GROUPS
What I am saying is that speccing nades is to spec dps and focus on killing opponents (in pvp) while speccing in to ft/eg encourages you to focus on your allies, and not your foes.

two different ways of playing the game.

@Kamahl; between you and waka, i can’t think of worse representatives of the engineer’s community. you know nothing. you assume everything. change this. please.

@Gates: The support from grenades comes less frequently and more haphazzardly than the EG, period. the grenades are not designed to support your group, they are designed to DPS your foe. Grenades do not have fumigate, or acid bomb, or super elixir, or rubber ball, all things which SUPPORT the group FIRST dps second. your “king of the class” grenades do the exact opposite.

your closed minded attitude is stopping you from comprehending that there are multiple ways of approaching challenges in this game.

FOR YOU, the way that YOU play, grenades are king. For other people, they are not. and YOU have NO qualifications for telling them otherwise. period.

LeGi.3921:

every half good engi in EU can neutralise a point and/or win duels with this spec.

and so can i, because that is the role of that spec.

area denial.

what is Anet’s “vision” for the engineer?

area denial.

If we arent in your base eating yrou pickles, we are throwing greandes on you from one million miles away and blasting RTL procs out of our flamethrowers and bombing people with mini skyhammers.

what would YOU like us engineers to do then?

perhaps the counter isn’t in the game yet because Anet is dragging their heels on balancing, but the spec is working as intended, and it is a relatively new thing in the game that you clearly haven’t learned to cope with yet.

mew mew!

mew!

Med.6150:

If you have watched streams, as you claim, you might have also noticed that these engineers die to each other in turns, when they meet in a 1v1. None of them win all of their 1v1s against the other engineer. Does that mean they are all just really good and they happened to all roll engineers by pure coincidence?

yes. every engineer i’ve met competitively has been an exceptionally skilled player.
yes. we are all better than you.

why?

because people like those in this thread crying for nerfs have no clue what the engineer is really like, and still think that ele’s have a higher skill floor.

caught in a landslide

and theives can spam perma stealth and secretly use portals under shadow

and ranger pets can solo arah

and mesmers are actually clones themselves

and warriors get 100b as #2 skill on every weapon

and elementalists are nine feet tall and shoot lightning from their arses

and necromancers can have both 133% condi duration AND 12 minions at a time

and guardians can permanently bubble a point so no one can get on it.

what class do YOU play, Jportell?

because my might-stacking-elixir-popping-grenade-throwing-turret-dropping-flamethrower kit also comes complete with infinite snare and condi removal utilities, a spork, and over 9000 attack power.

maybe you are just playing the wrong class.

Grackleflint.4956:

The Alchemy traits Hidden Flask and Self-regulating Defenses trigger Forumla 409 as if you used an elixir normally.

This is something more people ought to know about.

Knights (pow/pre/TOUGH) and Rabid (pre/tough/COND) items are more beneficial, over all, to the flamethrower in PvE than Zerker/Rampager.

One of the biggest things to get used to when using the FT is taking damage, and letting it happen, and getting used to the on proc effects of crit weapons.

Seras, you are right, a burning foe means an extra 10% dmg to FT#1, but it does NOT matter how hard that burn ticks for, simply that it is there. Each tick of your FT#1 can do more DD than the burning condition alone, if geared properly. All you need is for it to be there.

Incendiary Powder, thus, is meant (in FT builds, specifically, not talking about other applications) as another source of prolonging a foes burning, not at adding damage just because of the burning tick.

actually,

all hotjoin servers numbered 100 and above are 5 player teams.

all hotjoin servers between 1-99 are 8 player teams.

only custom matches are 10 player or 2/3 player.

why would you trait one kit and use another?

a 100b warrior sure as kitten cant use banners, vice versa.

you get bombs AND nades in ine spec

FT AND elixers in one spec

pistols AND rifles in one spec, if you dont like kits

also; re biased comparisons, that was the point. which is why i labelled then anecdotal.

as far as i know, ele is the ONLY profession whose traits allow for hybrid specialization.

my points still stand.

No, they need a substantial increase in damage. If a turret build is going to be viable, then opponents should be afraid of turrets and NEED to take them out, otherwise there is no need for the turrets. More utility is not going to make the turrets more fearsome, all you will be doing is turning them into mechanical totems.

turrets need to hurt people so that people target the turrets instead of the engie who is (actually capable of) healing a turret that is under direct attack from an enemy, with enough success that the turret is able to replace the engineer’s damage in a battle.

healing stats need to effect the engie’s ability to heal his turrets. turrets need to be the beneficiaries of boons like might and regen and all the rest. tossing elixirs should effect turrets, etc.

Essentially, if Anet is going to allow rogues to have permanent stealth, an engie ought to be able to keep a set of turrets alive against at least one rogue who is sneaking about and trying to burst down a turret the engie is within range of repairing.

the balance is that it forces the opponent to aggro the engie (the healer) allowing the (turret) dps to work on the foe. Now damage shouldn’t be so high that a turret can burst like a rogue, but threatening enough that if the foe focuses too long on the engie, the turret becomes a threat again. (and a smart engie would have kited the foe away from the turret to have time to dps a bit before healing the turret again)

side note; i don’t think turrets should be a kit, I think each turret we have ought to be a “kit” unto itself, and when deployed, you can stow the kit controls for your weapons or another kit, leaving the toolbelt as destroy. Your overcharge would just become an ability. swap to the healing turret “kit” drop the overcharge ability, maybe tell it to toss out some bandages (on a high cooldown) or A bandage (shorter cooldown), swap to net turret “kit” overcharge, tell it to drop some caltrops (medium cooldown), maybe an oil slick (long cooldown), switch to toolkit do some repairs, throw some more nails on the ground.

it wouldn’t be hard, anet.

Amadeus.5687:

@John +1, I luaghed! ^^

Also, if they nerfed HGH next patch I would grap a GIANT bowl of popcorn, log into the game and not look at the forums for the next 2 weeks, mostly because the community allready is whining this much, about something that haven’t even happened yet! And I’m truely scared of how much whine that would turn into if they actually did nerf it! :O

see, and I would get the popcorn specifically FOR watching the forums.

tee hee!

part of the problem is this misconception that turrets are pets..

they aren’t, they are utilities.

you may well want them to be pets, but don’t hold your breath.

re: smart pvp players;
- with deployable turrets you can put the turrets in places that make the opponent have to choose to go after them while you pummel the opponent.

- if your opponent is smart, play smarter than them.

XGhoul.7426:

piffdaddy.8014:

The best thing they could do would be to allow dueling inside the heart of the mists. Seriously, I don’t know why they didn’t think to do that before the game released. It would make the mists area much more meaningful instead of just a place to wait for tournament queues. (I would prefer the option to duel anywhere in the world but this might take too much work figuring out which places to disallow dueling)

No x10. This would only bring what every other dueling anywhere system brings: trolling/bs talking in chat

LAWL

you don’t want duels in the game because of rowdy general chat?

hahahahahahaha

Grackleflint.4956:

Chaith.8256:

I mean, do you think we’re phantasm mesmers? With 4.75 stunbreaks per minute, and 10 pseudo-stunbreaks per minute on sword & staff? LOL.

LOL indeed. I would buy gems if gems could buy a mesmer nerf.

quote of the kitten day.

NaturalPortman.9562:

CptCosmic.3156:

dont agree about the bomb suggestion, freeze bomb wouldnt be a good idea. a melee kit needs a way to prevent damage and the blind plus stealth blast finisher is perfect for that. also the bomb kit has movement control via glue bomb and you can use other abilities from rifle/pistol/other kits for movement control.

FT needs to be fixed. the burn on the last hit misses too often thus damage is wasted.

pistol should actually do an AOE bleed like stated in the tooltip.

FT should burn on every hit like a kitten flamethrower does….

yes. yes FT ahould burn every hit. FT#1 strikes up to 10 times and each strike should increase burn duration: 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 so the longer the foe remains in your flaming party, the longer they burn when they get out. 5sec burn is lots. this would compliment traits like exploit weakness.

though, i dont have issues with the laat strike missing.

The Boz.2038:

But they really, REALLY need to remove weapon switch in ALL forms of PvP as soon as you enter the map.

^

Braxxus.2904:

forrae.6708:

balance for the pros/top 1%/whatever and the balance trickles down for everyone else.

simple.

Trickle down economics has never worked, does not work, and will not ever work.
It’s a myth, no it’s just a blatant lie, that some people have been suckered into believing.
In the end all you’ll be left with is that 1% player base as the other 99% say kitten this and leave. Then the 1% can complain about how there’s no population.

this is a video game. not a real world economy.

if paper > rock > scissors > paper for the 1%‘ers, then paper > rock > scissors > paper for the 99%’ers too.

if the 1%‘ers say, hey, something isn’t right, all of a sudden rock > paper, then the devs need to listen.

if the 99%‘ers say “amg rawk broked my papur!!” the devs do not need to listen, ESPECIALLY when the 1%’ers are like “wut?”

the FT is a very “tanky” weapon, … get dirty with it, that’s what it’s for. power/toughness first. pre/vita next. cond/crit last.

“That ain’t a nerf; this is a nerf.” – Crocodile Dundee

you all must say nerf out loud in your best paul hogan impression. i command it!

no we didnt. we get 5 "weaponized" kit skills and an F "utility equivalent" skill usable with each kit (equipped or stowed), combined with faster weapon swapping than a warrior to also give us weapon skills in the mix.

thats up to 5 weapons, 4 utilities.

eles get 4 weapons, 3 utilities.

where do we get shorted? a lack of stun break?

fine, 4 weapons, 3 utilities, one side effect, and one stun break with side effects.

hmm.

I’m still unconvinced that the Sylvari are sentient …

Lurock Turoth.9085:

I am here to show all you poor little engies that your class isn’t broken because of its glitches nor is it locked into single roll builds. I’m no engineer, my engie is lvl 47 what I am, is a psychotic build crafter with a pension for making good damage ultra survivable builds on any class I touch.

im not always that guy, but I think you meant a penchant for making new builds, not a pension. a pension is a retirement dispensary and a penchant is a knack for habitual behaviour. im not being a dick, just saying in case you had an incorrect definition in mind.

Any one on Dragonbrand that has seen
Fort Aspenwood Invader[FLOT] knows first hand the devastating power of some of my builds (zerker warrior with the gold armor you know who you are).

So when a guildie who is also one of you overly attached engie lovers complained about the lack of good builds and all the bugs and nerfs on engie, I set out on an epic quest to make a build that would stop the endless whinging in our TS channel and bring peace to the realm.

What I came up with breaks the laws of science and is all but unkillable (yes that’s a word…now)

Meet The EOD tech!!!!

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqelsp6ZHwSfF87ISoH2nEqWieUZPml9pAAA;TsAZUCokQpiSBFlXGvEeZ9y5l0LA

This build has been able to survive and stay in front line combat that only the toughest of bunkers can withstand and unlike bunker builds (or crappy tank cats) the EOD tech keeps up consistent damage between 1k and 3k per bomb while healing him (or her) self for about 750 hp a second.

For this build you will need full Ascalon Catacombs Power Toughness Vitality gear with the runes of the monk that come on it. A mix of exotic carrion and soldiers jewelry. Ascalon Catacombs Power Toughness Vitality pistol and shield with a sigil of leeching (best sigil in the game) and a sigil of purity.

Get this gear together and bask in the glory that is an invincible damage dealer that would make 55 monks look like child’s play (look up 55 monk on youtube if you don’t get the reference).

If you would like to see this build in action feel free to whisper me in game and if one of my guilds engies is around we will be happy to take you through the dungeon of your choice or into wvw for some havoc squad action (server permitting).

but +1 for sales savvy.

Penguin.5197:

You know what would help? If the engie’s favorite game designer and awesome all around engie * wink wink Tyler Bearce ;D * was able to define what they mean by versatility. Does it mean choosing skills before battle, during battle or some other time?

Its questions like those that keep me up at night. Apparently it does for Tyler too, this guy always posts here around midnight pst lol

he’s probably one of those pimp-kitten devs who shows up for work at, like, 2330, and then logs on to pwn some nubs while his code compiles, code which he hammered out on his android while riding in the back of his charr-chauffered bentley complete with asuran chicks pouring drinks while on the way to the office.

In this game, you get disabled by practically everything, and it is always being triggered in tpvp because as soon as people see fire, they target you and try to burn you down.

also, protective shield can proc off of dot crits.

stun, daze, knockback, immo; if you aren’t constantly facing these with the FT then, imo, you are too far away from where the FT is mokittennctional…given you are dedicating the FT to a tanky build.

certainly, a crit dmg or pow swapping build would be different.

what dueling teaches you, specifically, is how to be aware of the maneuvers your opponents are making so that, during skirmishes in tPvP, you are an asset to your team because you are able to proactively attend to the unique skill queues of the opposing team.

while you can, over time, begin to distinguish these queues within the milieu, it is far more efficient (and, imo, advantageous) to discover these queues on a 1v1 scale so that your skill set becomes additive, rather than deconstructive (which is to say “deconstructing the skirmish”).

think of sports training, videos of skirmishes are used to single out individual strengths and weaknesses, so that the team improves from the ground up.

You could …. look at the list and manually select a side?

make money by giving custom server owners the ability to put up “guild billboards” or a lobby they can cosmetically alter or any number of other pay to use options.

charging people to use basic game functionality that has been available for free in video games for decades points to a very disturbing and unwelcome.change im the industry:

ie: stupid gamers willing to pay for things they are too lazy or uninformed to learn to do themselves.

Hawks.5736:

Asura if you dont mind the way they look.

Are you suggesting that my otter-like sheen is anything less than as incredible as my overpoweringly awe-inspiring intellect that comes backed by an erudite and expansive vocabulary and a physical prowess titanic in potential yet tiny in proportion? I’ll have you know that Asuran physiognamy is the result of generations of carefully planned and ingeniously implemented evolutionary manipulation specifically designed to perpetuate the propagation of predominantly powerful genetic material!

Indeed, sir.

ButterOfDeath.2873:

Asura for the lulz