Guild Wars 2

I’m honestly surprised how many people are against this update. I’m a former CoF farmer myself, sure it’s been few months since I’ve farmed it, but I don’t understand how actually being rewarded for doing different dungeons is a bad thing.

And 2 hours?! Maybe I was wrong in thinking maybe other dungeons will be better when the CoF zerkers start doing them. Do you realize how many dungeons can be done in under 15 minutes? Or that every dungeon can be completed in less than an hour? And that’s being generous.

“When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves."

Broadicea.8294:

yeah when I play my warrior all I do is press 2 and every time I win. every time. a dusk drops and I gain eleventy billion xp cause I pressed 2.

You’re talking about me? A pretty blonde warrior doesn’t know where to put a banner? And what is 2 by the way? Oh yeah. I got Dusk too. Jealous much?
<Rub more salts into the wound… Evil laugh>

Ah, well thanks for the tips.

Blix.8021:

All the bad players that only do cof are about to spill out into the other dungeons

No, they’ll just stop running dungeons completely and whine about it on the forums.

Broadicea.8294:

How about a giant kittening neon sign that says PRESS DODGE NOW

And a GIANT HAMMER appeared in the middle of the screen hitting a player in the face if he still failed to dodge w/ a huge message “NEW FACE PALM”.

spoj.9672:

Support and control are both heavily used in speedclears. Control to position mobs either by mesmer or guardian pull or LoS. Or even line of warding to chain interrupt mobs in fractals. You could count blinds as either support or control, your supporting the team with them but your also controlling what attacks the boss/mobs miss with. Support comes from utilities like feedback, wall and boons like aegis along with damage buffs (banners and frost spirit). *The problem is people are thinking of support and control roles as something you have to build your class around completely. *

Truth. I know this will sound a bit insulting but…

A lot of players are used to traditional trinity MMO where a “support” character could hang around in the back out of danger buffing his team not really using any twitch or micro skills and get carried through content because even though his skills are low, the character type is important enough to warrant inclusion and thus the lazy man has a path to success. The lazy and less skilled players gravitate to support/midline roles because it allows them to blend into the background for the most part. They don’t get special credit when a raid goes well, but its also usually not their fault when it fails.

Not saying this description applies to everyone who wants to play a dedicated support character, but it certainly describes a significant enough portion of them to make it the rule not the exception.

As I have said in other threads on this topic, this is an action MMO. You can’t reach the top by playing a support necro who sits at 1200 range with staff auto, casting wells on cool down. You have to be in the mix pulling your weight. If this isnt appealing, this probably isnt the game for you.

Bit of a story but yeah so I was Pugging TA Up, now I’m usually pretty okay with whatever suboptimal strategies pugs use but this one was pretty bad. First thing I notice is that at the Nightmare Vines our Elementalist isn’t using staff or daggers or even trying to do the optimal boon rotation, she’s just sitting there in water attunement auto attacking with a conjured hammer. But whatever I don’t say anything. Next thing was our Warrior wasn’t even using a Greatsword, just sitting there mostly auto attacking with an Axe….
After the Champion Vine goes down I politely tell the Warrior that Greatsword does best damage, I mean its not like an axe hit ever did 20k damage…. I don’t bother with the Elementalist because as the Guardian I could make up for the lack of boons and healing.
The spider mobs go down fairly easily thanks to my healing and damage, the Warrior and Ele nearly getting downed by trying to melee. Before Malrona I say that we’re going to range, just in case those two try to kill themselves in melee. But before I know it they charge in, have a guess… Trying to melee her. You’d think people would listen to someone with over 10,000 achievement points and the Bifrost (Moot and Flameseeker Prophecies too but I don’t need another weapon set in TA.)
Sure enough about halfway through the Elementalist gets downed in melee, almost defeated too. I hold aggro the whole time, easily avoiding all of her attacks by staying at ranged, something which I try to explain to them after we defeat her. Then all of a sudden bam, Caledon Forest loading screen. Like what the hell!? I practically carried the group that far and then when I try to help them with strategies and optimal builds I get kicked. Arena please fix this issue, it should be a majority vote, the Longbow Ranger and Dual Pistol Thief both knew how to do the encounter properly by staying at range, having two people who don’t shouldn’t be able to kick others!

bitterjo.1695:

Ohhhh those screams when a War in my party trolled us by planting a Warbanner in the middle of the lasers. Hilarious and agonizing XD

That…. Is genius. I’m gonna do that next PuG, I don’t even care if I get kicked. For guild runs a friendly Warhorn toot to show my support is sufficient

Nilkemia.8507:

Good points. Although, you may want to change the title to “Don’t skip the risen asura thralls/destroyer crablings.” Someone might be a bookah and think you’re referring to the champion abomination/defilers, which no one (to my knowledge) ever fights.

I used to be in a casual guild, we fought it every time. We also tend to have 2 ranger in our dungeon groups so its always 25 stacks of fun.

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Wethospu.6437:

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And no offense, but I really see it as a beginner mistake if you have banner out of range against a non-moving enemy.

Obal also hang around with in game idiots like me to record things only in game idiots can do. Tell you the truth that I spent more time to make my characters looks prettier than to find out how far the range of the banner would extend. Once in awhile, I made some posts to fool you guys into thinking that I know something about the game, but actually I’m pretty much a lemming. My brain runs in auto mode when I play GW2 and that’s awesome. A game to play w/o really thinking and pay attention to details. At the expense of some fancy silvers & coppers.
Would I put a banner again out of reach the next time? Guaranteed it will happen once in a while again, whether Obal invited me for the next run or not. But I guaranteed you this. If GW2 shows me a way I could made $75/hr (I might or might not make that much $/hr in real life), I would pay extremely more attention to those little things.
So relax Weth, don’t get hang up on those little small things. We all know you are expert in this game and having a group of experts to record things as perfect as it could be. I’m just happy to pay more attention at something else at the expense of being called newbie in GW2.
Edited: I’m the prettiest blondie warrior in the recording. I don’t think she died once this time.

PVT is cool only after playing berzerker all the time. You can afford dancing around, making mistake here & there and let your friends doing all the hard works, and rez them at the right time. And last one standing too. Just don’t let they know you wear PVT so transmute all your gears to CoF gears. Ugly but safe.

Correction- It’s under run by pugs and for good reason. They cant dodge and their dps is crap. It’s spammed the hell out of by organized groups and guilds.

Broadicea.8294:

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There are no pugs doing this to Lupi. It’s a handful of guilds competing for bragging rights. Changing this doesn’t change the game for anyone but those groups.

Actually, it won’t make a small dent of how these extreme skilled players will play. They will publish another videos showing how to kill Lupi the fastest w/o reflection then they go their own way. Those would hurt a lot are precisely those morons asking for the nerf and the populace mass because the current manageable content would be raised to a higher threshold.

OP,
Dungeon survival is based on these 4 elements:
1) Mob’s mechanics & boss animations before releasing attacking
2) Your skill level, gears and understanding of your class
3) Terrains to be utilized for your advantage whether it’s LoS (Line of Sight not Love of Sh**) or skipping.
4) The party

1) & 3) obviously require dungeon’s experience and memorization so you don’t need to be at level 80s to do that. There are plenty of video guides per dungeons so get yourself acquaintant to the dungeon you plan to run.
On 2) Assume you can dodge perfectly and know how to use class skills to counter threats, then you also do not need to be at level 80s to run a dungeon. The reason gears are there is to mitigate damage if we make mistakes. So the less skills you have, the more quality of gears you need to have to survive to a certain extent (unless you know some god mode). There are also plenty of videos of dungeons explain class mechanics and gears needed to counter mobs & bosses.
On 4) The higher skill level your party as a whole is, the easier the dungeon. And vice versa. And the skilled people willing to help isn’t hard to find. Just look at the sticky thread in this forum. Good thing is these people don’t ask you have to be in level 80s (unless it’s the appropriate level) or in better gears ( unless it’s a hard contents and Arah & FoTM level 40s are the only hard contents)

Now it should be easy for you to solve the problem yourself. If you are all inexperience and insist doing the inexperience way, just to make sure to having plenty of time for your runs. Or using #4 to make life easy while still on the job training. And use this .

Harrahou.4518:

I will be making a forum guide on how CoF p1 should be run in the next couple days I will link it on this thread along with a video. Until then I have a video of my group breaking the p1 record on another forum thread some techniques will be able to be seen in that video. gl with your legendary.

Dont just talk about it, be about it.

lunyboy.8672:

akamon.2769:

why all the hate and sarcasm? the OP was just sharing his story of how he did the dungeon THEIR way, as a group, and completed it.

Because the elitists think it is hilarious to make fun of people who are actually having fun doing some of these dungeons for the first time. What they forget is that the first time THEY did the dungeon, it probably didn’t go as well, and after a few rage quits, they eked through it, and then bragged to all their friends about how easy it was.

So precious.

Labeling people you don’t agree with elitists /justgirlythings.

Enjoy!
Forgot recording mesmer POV, sorry.

18 reflects. 33.933 damage but the last one for 29k.

Decided to dedicate this to our secondary guild [SOLO].

And skin drops at fotm level 40s has been improved from 1.1% to 1.15%, a whopping 50% drop increased in the fractional part. Fractal goers now reportedly are also 50% happier.

spoj.9672:

BobbyT.7192:

what happen to playing the way I want?

That quote is exactly whats wrong with the gw2 community. Anet basically encouraged everyone to leech. In wow you dont take all healers or all tanks, you take what you need. Why should gw2 be any different? The advantage gw2 has is that any class can play any of the roles relatively well and you can provide support while still dealing good damage. The problem is noone realises that and they try to all play full support or tank with 4 other full support tanks and so the dungeon is a horrible snail paced fiasco.

People are so determined to play how they want that they forget they are supposed to be working as a team to clear dungeons. Most dont even swap weapons or utilities to deal with each situation more effectively. Its just selfish and those players are far more toxic than so called “elitists”.

The way I want to play my thief is full zerker, shadowstep in and go down immediately, dish out tons of damage thanks to + 50% damage while downed and then die a hero.

And I am rather offended by parties kicking me for that playstyle. Please Anet, do something about this.

BobbyT.7192:

what happen to playing the way I want?

That quote is exactly whats wrong with the gw2 community. Anet basically encouraged everyone to leech. In wow you dont take all healers or all tanks, you take what you need. Why should gw2 be any different? The advantage gw2 has is that any class can play any of the roles relatively well and you can provide support while still dealing good damage. The problem is noone realises that and they try to all play full support or tank with 4 other full support tanks and so the dungeon is a horrible snail paced fiasco.

People are so determined to play how they want that they forget they are supposed to be working as a team to clear dungeons. Most dont even swap weapons or utilities to deal with each situation more effectively. Its just selfish and those players are far more toxic than so called “elitists”.

Congrats. Just wonder how long it would take 4R/1M to do this.

I think faster clear time is better because it is a real-world application and something people are trying to achieve.

Poor Colesy getting ganged up on. Shame he’s right.
Dungeon difficulty is at a point where it’s not about success or failure, it’s about how fast you can charge through it so you have enough time to do other path/farm. The latter being the case it’s all about doing big damage and bringing the least amount of defensive measures as you can. Every point you invest in defence, be it gear/traits/skills/weapons, is a point you are deducting from offence, which in turn makes the dungeon go for unnecessarily longer as a well timed roll will replace all the defence in the world.
As a Warrior I used to run a hybrid of PVT and Zerkers, with of all things Banner Healing and yes, that made me a terrible player and a leech on my team. Full berserker is all you need (small exception to high level fractals where you may need someone to fill the ‘anchor’ slot.)

Also @ Kain I’m glad I’m not the only Warrior who does that, I have two swords stashed in there, like, when am I ever going to need OH sword over anything else? I just don’t know…

Broadicea.8294:

ed: ^^^^ oh my sweet jesus lol

Excel Wars 2.

Still waiting on those speedclear videos.

Here is all the proof you need.

If there’s one thing we can agree on, it’s that fotm is not worth doing past bags, rng skins and accessories.

Vox Hollow.2736:

C’mon Swiftpaw, it’s not like people are coming into this thread making bold claims of meta superiority that needs to be endlessly debated, they just seem to asking to tone down the caricature. It’s got nothing to do with other classes and the comparison thereof, merely fair representation of what Ranger is for better or worse. I don’t think that’s such an outrageous request, really.

I’m all for finding a little self deprecating humor in all of this, I think Eugene is laugh out loud funny. But the difference here is that Eugene is playing up Ranger’s problems in such an over-the-top way everybody’s in on the joke, whereas OP and his chorus either genuinely believe this is output what Rangers can aspire to or are playing halfhearted for humor’s sake so subtly it leaves the third party viewer the impression that this is all par for the course.

In 700 hours of playing can you honestly back OP’s performance with your full faith and confidence? Because that’s kind of the impression I get from your defense of it.

We made a video http://youtu.be/PJK3OZt8rC8
You can watch Brazil spam short bow for about 1k at the first room then pick up a banner and auto attack for about 3.5-4k and do banner #4 for 5-8k. Even with the slower attack swing it seems to do more dps.

SkyChef.5432:

Bread.7516:

This should get anet’s attention, and omg bears are so OP

As any “fake god” will do to please their children cavemen’s mentality, instead moving them up, Anet will bring everyone down to the cavemen’s level.

^ I can just imagine it now…

*A-Net headquarters *

A man rushes into a busy room with a paper clutched tightly in a closed fist. His face is distraught, there are beads of sweat building on his forehead. Everyone in the room drops what they are doing and turn in their fancy swivel chairs to face him.

‘News just in!! Rangers… Rangers are under powered in dungeons’ He pants.

The room falls silent.
He unfurls the paper and exposes it to the crowd. On it appears screenshots of rangers using warrior banners to dps. It’s become the new meta. The new trend. Desperate rangers throwing down their bows and abandoning their dead bear pets for the sturdy reassurance of a warrior’s banner of discipline.

’That’s…. That’s not possible’ , Gasps someone from the masses. It’s Isaiah Cartwright.
‘It.. it could be..’ whispers Robert Hrouda.

‘I have the solution!!’ Boomed a powerful voice. Jon Peters rose to his feet and stared the other developers down with a cold eye.

‘You should all be ashamed. This is Guild wars 2. This is a balanced game. Rangers are not underpowered in dungeons. NO! Clearly the issue lies in every other class. Starting from today, we will lower all damage skills from every class except ranger until they are all EQUAL!!!’ He roars.

The room erupts in applause, Isaiah Cartwright collapses to his knees, shaking uncontrollably, tears streaming down his face. Robert Hrouda cheers emphatically, ’I’m going to make a new dungeon in honor of this day! A dungeon where rangers are needed! A dungeon where pets are required to progress!’

Broadicea.8294:

Stooperdale.3560:

Strangely enough I play a melee ranger in CoE and my drake pets survive quite well on the alphas without me doing a great deal.

Imagine how much more you’d be contributing on a good class.

Don’t ask people to use their imaginations, it’s why they still think rangers are good in dungeons.