Guild Wars 2

I agree 100 percent. Anet is killing off build diversity and build innovation. From what I gather we will be locked into 3 trait lines and in those trait lines we wont even be able to chose what traits we can take together? WTF is this?

ANet, WTF are guardians gonna do?

I know we don’t know the whole system but it seems like Anet are making irrelevant changes for the sake of… I really don’t know what they are trying to achieve. At least in wvw/pve you can still mix runes and armor to optimize numbers but it looks like they are changing pvp into a game mode that 6th graders will only find enjoyable, at least build wise.

Merathkira.7041:

Also having this issue, curiously, only with one of my five guilds (one I joined after the major patch).

I’ve tried going invisible and going back online. Didn’t work.
Tried logging.
Tried clearing the cache files from my computer.
Tried deleting and reinstalling the client.
Tried accessing the game from a different computer—same issue.
Tried standing down and representing the guild.
Tried being kicked and getting reinvited.

I cannot talk through this one guild. Sometimes the messages just disappear (when that happens they say they can read them, but I see no chat), sometimes I get ‘you are not in a guild’ (after I have stood down or repped another guild, and gone back to repping the problem guild), and sometimes I get ‘no one hears you’.

Frustrated as hell. Only consolation is that at least they broke something as well as the mac client this time.

Running on Win7.

Same exact problem for me. Joined a guild recently and the same exact things have happened, tried everything I could think of to fix it.

I am not an expert but the gist of it was before the client only had to keep track of how much time left everyone had for stab which was pretty uniform if you were in a coordinated party. Now, the game has to keep track of just how many stacks each individual has at any given second you are out there, up to 25 and down. That is just a ton more info the server is receiving per second than what it used to be which in turn causes the server to lag with that overload of information.

They will never fix the lag because then they will have to admit that the stab changes are behind the lag and that because of that, they probably can’t fix the lag at all.

For the record, when I tried to wvw after the patch I experienced the worst lag I have ever experienced in wvw over the entire lifespan of this game, and it did not get better over the next few weeks. I couldn’t even switch weapons and the kicker was that I would just be dead after a while in an area I never ran to. Game breaking much?

I would really like to know what guilds some of these people that like this change are from because some of these comments are just really misinformed when it comes to the numbers that fight/gvg guilds ran during raids and what our tactics and comps actually were. Misconceptions like that they ran 10-15 guardians and used hammers trains. I feel Anet is also really misinformed when it comes to these guilds too, I don’t know of any dev besides grouch that talked to any wvwers and that was also from a purely spvp point of view.

Most fight guilds ran between 15-25 on any given night at most 3 melee parties with 2 guards per, do the math. And, uh hammers? What blob players don’t understand is that both Hammers and GS were both viable melee weapons and both came with their strengths and weaknesses and your guild used whatever weapon that suited your fighting style and what you wanted to achieve with your guilds comp. When you talk about hammer trains you are talking about a blob with no dedicated melee parties and no skill rotations to account for. Not knowing the difference tells people that do know the difference a lot about where people are coming from.

There also seems to be this idea that people have that stability was a 100 percent uptime renewed focus. In fact, you could still take damage when you had stability, a lot of it. One mistake and all the stability in the world wasn’t going to save you and you were dead in 2 seconds. Which then put your party at a huge disadvantage because they were counting on you to not suck and their survivability was directly connected to you not sucking.

You see, the difference between you making or not making the right plays and your party living and dying as a result is called skill.

When one of your 40-60 man blob dies and you keep steamrolling over everything anyways is not called skill. That is a blob. I will admit it is fun to do from time to time but when I did it I was not under any illusion that I was a good player making good plays. In that situation it literally doesn’t matter.

And it literally means even less now that fight guilds don’t stand a chance because all the blob needs to do is have 5 eles do static and earth wall when the guild engages and you win. GG.

It seems to me that the players that think guilds having a stab rotation meant they were unkillable skilless skill abusers were the people getting wiped by them and don’t want to admit that a guild that focused on combat and actually practiced and did combat training were just better at the game. Like putting the work in on something and getting better at it as your guild develops it’s synergies and skill level was just unfair.

For me, it shows me the mindset of the average wvw player as a whole. It is a whole lot of entitlement, a bit of misplaced ego and a whole lot of casual.

All I know is that I can teleport to idiot rangers standing up top in the keep in Niflhel now and that is alright by me.

It is pretty clear that most of the poeple that think this change is a good thing do not really participate in high end, highly organized raiding aspect of the game and are probably pugs that nuthug a commander then wonder why a group of people half their size just wiped their kittens all over the floor.

It is the same people saying it is a L2P issue and whined to anet to do something about these awful meanies and their awful coordination and practiced play.

You got your wish.

The one thing that points to this change being absurd is the fact that a 20 man group can’t push into an omni blob and keep any semblence of order, and not because the omni blob “should” win or the omni blobs are clearly the better players, but because at a certain point it becomes mathematically impossible for the smaller group to keep stab up and mathematically impossible for them to then remove all of the omni blobs stacks, because it is a numbers game now, not a skill game.

I think the dumbest argument is the stab had no “counter” argument. Well now there is only soft stability and there is soft CCs and hard CCs. That is honestly a pretty ridiculous state for the game to be in.

The way forward is getting on the pirate ship and no actually melee fighting. Melee has become less relevant lately as it was, now it will be there for clean up work only.

I would like to think anet made this change to thin out blobs, but since anet’s balance team is heroically stupid they made the only change that they could make that would encourage more blobbing and then patted themselves on the back. That is anet for you though. They are the Lennie to our George, except instead of costing us both money we just fork it over to Lennie like idiots when he kills some chick because her hair is soft.

^Pointing out the obvious that anet doesn’t gave a kitten about what the players think.

But yes, I would def use a utility as my elite after nado gets nerfed.

Until eles don’t die to a stiff breeze anyone using signets over cantrips is pretty bad. PVE I get the precision signet, but for pvp or wvw… they are just bad.

really not going to hit before season 2?

I can’t help but think that Anet lost all hope of making a good and balanced pvp game. Spvp is a joke and arguably the most important aspect to wvw gameplay, balance, is being shoved off until further notice.

I really don’t know what to say… Seems they don’t have their kitten together but I should have always known that since instead of making Halls 2.0 they made a game mode based off bunkering and forced the community to make their own gvg mode instead of putting what made the original game so great into the successor.

dwahvel.7356:

So every server not in t1 are pugs? lol
I can’t wait to fight t2/t3 guilds. Most of them don’t run with 20-40 pugs on them and they are willing to gvg/fight outside keeps/towers. Like a breath of fresh air. Couldn’t be any more healthy for us.

Do you really think EotM is filled with organized people. Do you seriously think that the lower tiers have anything CLOSE to the coordination that SoR has?

We have all been in EotM by now, we ALL know what it is. And to SoR it is just as much pveing as what you described, might as well go back to WoW.

I have (had) been on SoR since the BWEs, I left SoR Wednesday and all I can say is all of the SoR in this thread are just in denial. SoR is dead, moving down tiers and getting destroyed there will put the final nails in it’s coffin.

NA was always SoR’s strength and pride and now it can’t even field 2 guilds. What is left now? TW? Choo? Who is leading? Indo? Green Arrow? Elds?

The leadership led the server astray and then when kitten got tough the leadership quit. You can see what happens when a server truly just plays “for the fights”, if kittening dies.

Fighting unorganized casuals from low tiers with your organized zergs is hardly a victory for SoR. I see the remnants of TW and Choo together pretty much every night in EotM. Do you think you are getting better? Fighting people that are not using TS and commanding pugs from different low level servers by chat?

You are all delusional and the party is over.

It sometimes happens, AGG was fun but they left again because the are OCD to the max.

My remarks are mainly about how EB has been for the past few days. Pathetic.

All JQ and BG are is PvD. I hope you guys have fun doing that.

If any guild feels like knocking on doors when nobody is home for their pvp/wvw then I guess those are the servers for you. But… the barbarians are at the gate. And we are going to get in.

Ok I Did It.2854:

Duke Blackrose.4981:

As a Blackgate player, I personally loathe our WvW scene for 4 reasons:

1. It seems like we win way too often. I’ve seen high-tier opposing servers just give up. It takes the fun and the challenge out of things.

2. Everything boils down to massive zergs. “It’s the BG ocean vs. the SoR ocean. Again.”

3. We generally get the same opponents. If we’re lucky, we’ll get one or two different opponents once in a blue moon. But even then, it’s all from the same small rotation.

And, of course….

4. We have to wait on massive queue timers just to experience WvW at all. The EB generally has a 2 hour minimum queue and battlegrounds often have 10min+ queue times.

And WvW Season 1, with it’s over-hyped server-performance based rewards is partially to blame for all of that.

The only thing holding me back from a server swap (to a more average server) is my excellent Blackgate guild.

Maybe you need to take that excellent guild into EBG sometime,

Too point out a few things, I don’t know what your being told as the rumors fly all the time when it comes to T1, but if you knew SoR at all, its that we don’t give up, but we do not play for PPT ( there is no reward for coming first week in week out, other than bragging rights ) we fight for the kills, I would rather tick at 100PPT and get 1000 kills a night in WvW than tick at 400PPT and get 100 kills.

Tonight in EBG for 4 hours we watched BG zergs as big as our own run away, I hear it all the time that apparently SoR runs from fights, yet ive never seen it, ( could be my timezone ) but im sure as hell going to start running fraps,

If you happen to be in a rare BG guild that fights, then bravo, I hope you can bring more of them out to fight instead of pressing 1 against that door.

As for the same servers each week, you can thank anets new “random matchups” for that, making it that pretty much we will only ever meet each other, unless something super drastic happens.

This is… Every. Night. Yesterday I was in EB from 1pm est until 5pm, then from 7:30pm until 12 and all we saw was blobs bigger than ours (WAY BIGGER, it is ridiculous) running away into towers FILLED with siege . JQ should feel especially bad. Your players are bad and you should feel bad. My favorite fight of the night was the ocean of people known as JQ running into the dead end in the dredge tunnel. We were like Hannibal at Lake Trasimene. You were all dead except the work we had to do in the killing.

We have barely any queues in NA (or anytime) now due to the exodus of less hardy allies as of late. Personally, you know where we are, come kill us.

It is about play style.

I might have been over aggressive in my stance as positioning is THE most important thing you can learn that will keep you alive. I know that most of the time, in open field, I am the target of at least 3 thieves and they can’t kill me.

If you can pull it off, then go for it. As Burl said, it is probably much easier to do zerkers in lower tiers but, I maintain that you first job is staying alive and you should use every advantage to that end that you can.

Seriously. I don’t know what kind of “zergs” people running staff run with but zerkers is a terrible idea. Number one rule in wvw, if you are dead you are useless. And that goes especially for staff ele who is a vital part of everyone staying alive.

The whole point of staff ele is water fields and meteorshower plus attunement cycle spike. But the most important part of that is water fields. The problem is we don’t get the benefit of a reset water field because you are putting them on melee. So you need a build that will keep you alive. I used to run zerkers before the party priority on boons but it is just suicide now.

Leagues made balance worse. Leagues brought out the worst in GW2’s wvw community. League’s broke servers in half. Leagues were a terrible idea.

Peetee.9406:

Tarkus.4109:

BG and SoRs rivalry is probably the most vocal one out there

Used to be. But alas, people haved moved on.

It’s hard to be a rivalry when one side clearly dominates the other.

Maybe some have moved on but I know my main motivation is killing BG. Always has been.

Heh, well BG has started something that is only to the detriment to WvW overall. As far as I know we went into seasons with what we had, by mid season BG’s strat did it’s job, if you think SoR got any guilds you are delusional.

EDIT: LAST POST

What BG did was destroy Tier one, how anet allows that crap is beyond me but…

Luckily, I don’t wvw for rewards.

I find that the rewards were just right. Some servers pretty much destroyed WvW to win this effing thing and this should be just what they deserve. I would say proabably everyone besides JQ and SoR are QQing. I know I am laughing all the way to BGBL. SEE YA IN WVW!

spanky.4630:

Roe.3679:

Aaron.4807:

Zephyrus.9680:

Aaron.4807:

Draygo.9473:

I’m on a server with no queues. You can transfer to a server with no queues as well.

What about those players that actually give a kitten about their community and built is from the ground up over the course of a year? Like SoR? Telling people to transfer so they can play the game mode that was the REASON WE BOUGHT THIS GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE is not a valid argument.

You mean the people who paid for other player’s transfer costs to your server? Maybe it’s time for top tiers to transfer DOWN for a change.

I have already explained that SOR has never paid for a guild to transfer. The one exception was IRON and we do not regret that one bit as they are one of the best and most dedicated guilds on our server. On SoR we see other servers buy guilds and we have seen just where that got them.

So you don’t pay for guilds, except you have in the past. So you just don’t do that anymore?

no one paid for IRON we had the choice of all na servers and scouted as many servers as we could before coming to our decision to join SOR. As a guild we paid for 90% of our own transfer and was helped by the community for the ones after we had run out of money .
We came to sor because we felt we would fit in there better not because we were offered gold to move .

I didn’t mean buy. I meant we donated to help IRON members come to SOR because you were coming from EU and as much as you could scout out servers you couldn’t guest and actually see for yourselves. I apologize if I made it sound like we offered gold for IRON to come to SOR. That was NOT the case.

That is not the only time SOR has done that but donating to help members transfer and offering guilds gold ourtright to transfer are two different things.

Oliver.4017:

What I don’t understand, is that WvWers won’t allow new people come into WvW. I mean talk about being a little selfish? Just because you haven’t done WvW before doesn’t mean you suck.

Well… It means they dont know good builds and it means we have pugs that don’t listen to commanders because they don’t get on TS. It is pretty frustrating to tell people to do something, like to NOT ATTACK THE kittenING GATE, and they still do it because they just don’t give a kitten, then we wipe.

There is a huge learning curve, you don’t just go in and run around mindlessly. I guess you can though, but it gets everyone killed.

I can’t really speak for the rest of SOR but… We refer to Tier 1 as coverage wars sometimes, and not in an endearing way. It is not like we want it this way but that is just the reality of the situation.

Artasian Nosferatu.3516:

chuuuuucky.8532:

Haha. Queues are the only thing balancing server population over time. If Queues dissappear T1 Servers will become even bigger.

As Aaron said, nobody is complaining about the existence of queues. We’re complaining about the addition of achievements into the WvW season. I am so happy that my server is seeing a drastic increase in the WvW population, and I honestly don’t mind waiting in a queue.

The only thing that’s getting on my nerves is the ridiculous lag and the PvE buffoons. In terms of lag, Anet should have seen this coming and should have prepared for this. The time it takes for my heal skill to activate is about 10 seconds now, and forces me to change to a passive heal/tank build.

About the PvE players, as I said, I’m really glad that we’re seeing a drastic increase in the WvW population, and I love seeing a long wait time for the queues, but if you decide to join WvW, you PLAY THE OBJECTIVE. We can’t have a large amount of selfish PvE players scrambling around capturing ruins for 30 minutes when we’re trying to defend our own garrison. I’d really love to train the players to prepare for WvW, and I’m open to new players willing to learn, but they honestly couldn’t give a rats behind. They’re only joining for their little achievements, then they’ll blatantly leave. I’ve had enough of this snubbery and I’m waiting a couple weeks before I go back into WvW again.

Pretty much this. Anet makes seasons, then they add something that makes seasons unplayable to dedicated wvwers.

Zephyrus.9680:

Aaron.4807:

Draygo.9473:

I’m on a server with no queues. You can transfer to a server with no queues as well.

What about those players that actually give a kitten about their community and built is from the ground up over the course of a year? Like SoR? Telling people to transfer so they can play the game mode that was the REASON WE BOUGHT THIS GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE is not a valid argument.

You mean the people who paid for other player’s transfer costs to your server? Maybe it’s time for top tiers to transfer DOWN for a change.

I have already explained that SOR has never paid for a guild to transfer. The one exception was IRON and we do not regret that one bit as they are one of the best and most dedicated guilds on our server. On SoR we see other servers buy guilds and we have seen just where that got them.

No one is complaining bout the existence of queues.

It was rhetorical.

FC is Ferguson’s Crossing, No?

Jesus. Coverage =/= stacked. I don’t know how to explain it to someone that doesn’t get it. But, Tier 1 is all about coverage, NOT STACKING. If you stack all you get are NA guilds or whatever and you fight to see who can actually play each night. SoR has had this on occasion but generally all of our main NA guilds can wvw during prime time BECAUSE WE DIDN’T stack. We can’t stop bandwagoners tbh and we have our fair share but we DIDN’T actively recruit accept for coverage purposes, WHICH IS WHAT TIER 1 IS ALL ABOUT. JQ dominated forever because they exploited the holes in our coverage, BG did the same thing and we do the same thing BECAUSE THAT IS HOW YOU WIN IN TIER ONE.

Right now it is near impossible to get an organized fighting force on any map at any time. It is kittening ridiculous.

pve and wvw community… =/=.

Not that our pve community is bad ( >_>) . It is just not the same at all, it mind as well be two separate entities.

My eyes are rolling so hard right now.

THEY AREN’T THERE TO WVW!!

Last Tier…

And why would a competitive guild that has it’s kitten together want to fight anything but other servers that fight like us? Our last matchup was sbi and sos, it was the most boring week of wvw I have ever experienced. Moving down tiers is like the red sox going down to triple a.

Agricola.2817:

Bunnehboo.6025:

Draygo.9473:

I have no sympathy for you. SoR encouraged guilds to transfer to them. You get what you ask for.

You stack your server you suffer the consequences.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/recruitment/T1-SOR-Looking-For-Late-NA-OCN-SEA-WvWers

Sicne your in a guild Apath Inc shouldnt you be minding your own business in game and not caring what other ppl do or complain about?

I saw your post before you edited it, you seem really upset about your server stacking.

You’re in tier 1, its going to happen, but I thought you guys would of expected and accepted this along time ago with your constant calls for more numbers. There are plenty of servers that need people if you want lower queues.

You and the others in this thread that are speaking for T1 servers when you are not actually in one of them need to stop. You have NO idea what you are talking about and you are just blowing smoke up our kitten. I have been on SOR since day one and I can tell you that WE TURN AWAY THE MAJORITY OF GUILDS THAT WANT TO COME TO SOR. You ever heard of the big 4 on SOR? It is the same 4 guilds that it has been for almost a year now. THAT is a community, THAT is players and leadership dedicated to building a community. We don’t pay ANY guild to come to SoR. We recruit for coverage and WE AREN’T even doing that anymore. We always had queues. But now the queues ARE 5-8 HOURS LONG because people that have no interest in actually fighting with us are flooding wvw for some meaningless achievement points. It is destroying wvw and communities that worked hard to build themselves up. Communities that have fought together side by side for almost a frigging year. Thrown away into the garbage.

TWO MONTHS AGO. And if you knew anything about wvw you would know that the most important thing is COVERAGE. We weren’t looking for more NA, we were looking to fill holes in our coverage so we could compete with bag gate and jq.

Sreoom.3690:

I’m not happy about the wait time either…but there is a lot to do while waiting…like start knocking off the Blood and Madness content…

Most of us play wvw because the pve in this game is terrible horse kitten.

Draygo.9473:

I’m on a server with no queues. You can transfer to a server with no queues as well.

What about those players that actually give a kitten about their community and built is from the ground up over the course of a year? Like SoR? Telling people to transfer so they can play the game mode that was the REASON WE BOUGHT THIS GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE is not a valid argument.

selan.8354:

no i think the problem was that some of your guilds have bought other guilds and stacked up too uch. those are to blme and also the bandwagoners that wanted gold league and easy wins…

You don’t know SOR at all. Don’t talk about things you have no idea about.

Rama.6439:

Deli.1302:

Blame all the guilds that transferred to your server over the past couple of weeks, not anet.

why, those guilds didn’t put the pve achievements into wvw, anet did, and anet made transfers cheap and even free for those weeks before season started. So no, I blame Anet.

I have been on SOR since day one. I have been playing wvw since day one, I took a month or two break december-january. I have been on SOR since Leader Mara was zerging, before TW transferred and CDS was still dominant. We were dead last and rose to tier one and I was there for it. Now I can’t even frigging play wvw at all.

Anet is destroying wvw. gg.

Blix.8021:

If you get hit for 18.7k with a kill shot, you are squishy.

Source: I have kill shot many people

His build isn’t very squishy. But elementalists have always been so squishy as to be laughable even with full toughness. Something Anet never fixed for eles and probably won’t because they really don’t get how to balance their own games, tbh.

…Impossible for actual wvwers to play the game mode they love. 3-5 hour queues because achievement hounds have flooded the maps. No real fighting force can even play in wvw now. It is just a mess and if you wanted rewards to be tied to wvw you SHOULD HAVE MADE BADGES ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING USEFUL.

Kathy K.6812:

I can see where this guy is coming from, all he is asking for is a different opponent… Perhaps put TC in JQ’s place since they are T1 worthy as well.

>_>

lol

I can honestly say at this point that the only true T1 servers are now fighting each other. And that I missed you all so very much.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

I spend way less time in WvW when it’s this matchup. It stopped being fun months ago.

This is the only matchup where the fights are actually good. Do you prefer pvdoor?

Killer.4709:

LetoII.3782:

Yea, Epi does a fine job running the ts3 server. I hope he’s finding the business as beneficial as his clients have
I don’t know how things are on JQts nowadays, but the channel officers are quick draws with the banhammer. Especially with unverifieds and visitors. AND beyond that, even a well intentioned opponent won’t be welcome in combat channels. Guild rooms by invite.

I’ve seen Mrs. Thais, TW’s own, give a third-rope flying elbow without so much as a peep.

I think you misunderstand me. I was joking about listening to indo lol. I have only been in your combat channel 1 time and it was months ago when I was invited in by a friend of mine in choo and I made sure to not be in wvw while listening to them.

Since then I have never been in any of your combat channels. I was not even on the ts when I got banned. I told them about the karaoke and that I would stop in later and when I tried to stop in that night I was banned.

In 1 click SOR has insulted my intelligence, integrity, and my singing voice

We seriously went over to dance in BG LA in good faith, to just have fun and we would love to do karaoke, but…

The person that banned you probably had no idea about any of this so it wasn’t done with any malice on our part.

I know all the servers talk kitten and it can get out of hand but it has been a huge pleasure fighting against BG and JQ for this amount of time. The quality of these servers is seriously second to none and it is going to be a sad day when the match ups get changed because I genuinely enjoy fighting you guys, even when you gank my staff ele like 5 times in a row. :p

Killer.4709:

So I hangout with some choo in LA before reset. We talk about doing an inter-server karaoke night. Everyone seems like they enjoy the idea, so I tell them I will stop by the SOR ts later. Surprised I have the info I tell them about my plans to destroy them by using the info given out in indo’s sermon every Sunday.

To my surprise im now banned from the SOR ts… is my singing really that bad SOR

But in all seriousness, trying to promote friendship between servers here, personally have some friends on SOR. I have personally turned down people spying for me and I don’t appreciate the accusation.

Sometimes I like going into the ts and listening to indo, is that such a crime

Guess it will just be us and JQ… that’s right have their info as well.

We at Choo love BG so much that we transferred!

I am not sure what happened with the TS thing!

In all honesty, we had a blast dancing with BG before reset. I would like to suggest that all the servers dance the night away together every reset!

People keep sayin Thiefs are overpowered in this game. That is not the case!

People also keep saying thiefs are underpowered in this game. That is also not the case!

Let’s open a discussion on how we can make the Thief class stay as it is now WvW. Since Stealth was nerfed with CDs and culling is gone we aren’t perma stealthed so I have to think about my build and the fight I am engaged in which makes for a much more exciting WvW experience for me and my opponents! Good Jerb Anet!

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

You want that AC mastery, don’t you?

Well, AC are so OP now that the AC trait line is the only one worth taking. Glad I saved my points.