Guild Wars 2

Yeah, we all know Anet screwed up this class after the nerf of BWE2. Great thing is that they did the same thing to the el in GW1 and they didn’t get around to fixing them until 5 years later so we are in for a hell of a wait.

Meh. PTV gear with full dolyaks. I run staff exclusively though. I have over 20k hp on an ele which is sort of ridic. 20k hp with my ele means I last 5 seconds against thieves. XD

It depends on your build. AFAIK (I play ele), ele doesn’t have that much condition damage tbh, but it depends on you weapon. I really prefer power though because you get all of the damage no matter what whereas some conditions stack duration so… condition damage is not as beneficial imo.

The Insanemaniac here is right. The problem is in games where it counts, namely WvW, the thief never renders for those three seconds. I know i have been killed out in the field many times, at first I had no idea what was going on, eventually I came to realize it was a perma stealthed thief taking me out in 3 seconds. That is where the frustration comes in.

My last post got deleted for what was apparently, copious amounts of swearing…

So here it is again without the swearing: There is a small group of people that own these that are buying and reselling them marked up for the sole purpose of driving the prices up. I wonder if Anet is aware of this bull crap and will do something about it. Because in theory the prices of these weapons should keep going down.

I kinda split the difference. I run 30 fire, 10 Air, 30 Water and I am geared to have over 20k hp, which on an ele is quite a feat. I found that after I equipped my ele with full exotic P/T/V gear with full dolyaks rune set, a P/V/T staff and equivalent trinkets that I enjoyed my ele MUCH more. I basically defend and clear walls though and have to play my kitten off in zerg situations, which, as an ele, is a given anyways. I don’t have much trouble with the dungeons I have done so far but as far as I am concerned all dungeon get super easy once you learn them.

I know I am not full glass cannon but, the traits in the water line are just to good for survivability for me to not use them.

Yup, as an ele I have experienced this crap in wvw all too much. Thieves are everywhere in wvw because they know they can exploit the culling crap to get badges off of just about every class. Zergs are the worst because sometimes THEY NEVER BECOME VISIBLE.

How is this not fixed?

Congrats! You are interested in the only viable build that Ele has! Be aware though that Anet is looking into our only viable build as “too strong” so you may not get to play it long! Have fun!

Guy, they use that build because that is the ONLY way they can stay alive because we have NO damage and NO health! Do you read this forum?

Arius.7031:

I recognize that since it’s common place, that it’s a valid tactic. Turtling (or as my server calls it, stacking) really sucks all of the enjoyment out of our fights. We were a low tier server up until we made a huge leap upwards in the rankings. We got matched with a server called Maguuma. They used stacking against us. At first we viewed it as abusing the system for multiple reasons, we were to an extent wrong, but the idea behind it remained.

That entire match, we were quite dominant thanks to numbers. But, in order to fight Maguuma forces 1 on 1, we would have to start stacking on each other. Now, any time my server is having trouble with a fight, we pull out the stacking (though to our credit, we don’t when we don’t have to). Sadly, it just sucks every bit of fun out of WvW. It doesn’t feel or look epic when there’s two groups of people just sitting there AoEing at each other. There’s no chaos, no sense of a battle, it feels just far too much like we’re milking every little bit of effectiveness we can out of the game. It’s not fun, it’s what’s required to win. And combine that with culling, and sometimes we can’t even see these large groupings of players. It’s really sad.

Portal bombing I love on its own, though I think portal needs to be nerfed. I think stacking/turtling will be the reason I stop WvWing, and culling just makes everything worse.

OMG. I want screenies of two forces just standing there looking at each other! I think just how ridiculous this is won’t hit home until the masses and ANet can see it.

Arani.9057 … Seriously, that reply read like “I am a Mesmer and don’t nerf me exploit holes!” God forbid mesmers should have to * gasp * do actual combat!

Oh my. I kind of hope SoR just never reaches tier 1.

So, yeah. I think we in SoR can just take a break from WvW for a day or two at this point.

And for those still spawn camping, why? I know it isn’t really camping but… Whoever said that this match up is not preparing us for next week is totally right.

This also happened to me and my team after we did Mad King and then did our first run of the day in AC.

Oh, it is already affecting us here in the states too. Things not resetting properly. I did MK two times and then went and did AC for the first time that day and only got 45 tokens upon completion. That is stupid.

Yeah, I did AC for the first time today and I only got 45 tokens on each path. I also tried to do the wvw jumping puzzles after the reset tonight and none of them reset for me.

So? What is this, I don’t even?

It may be spawn camping but you could easily divide your force and hit us from both sides and probably wipe us. Not condoning it, but…

Rpgtabbycat: SoR is a server with a large population that is extremely dedicated to WvW and basically live there. Heck, I mostly live there. But at this point, we are all stocking up on siege and doing MK runs like all the rest of the servers. We just have a contingent of players that totally disregard PvE unless they are leveling an alt. Even then, today I played with my level 40 guardian in WvW and everyone else on my team was also playing alts. XD

My 2 wishes: I wish the severe damage nerf that occurred between BWE2 and BWE3 never happened. I also wish we had an elite that I would use, ever.

Seriously anet, my 0 button never gets used as our elites suck so bad they are not worth using because they end up killing you. Way to go with those.

It isn’t wrong, but sometimes it is just bad form. It is just stupidly annoying. I think the worst is when three people camp where the chest is so when you open the door you get ganked and…that is it, you are screwed.

Peetee.9406:

Blaming an entire server for the exploits of one person or even a group of people is not smart.

How am I supposed to point hem out?

SoS on SoR BL clearly were coordinating this because when we tried to clear it and scan for any enemies while the meter stayed at zip their zerg came rushing in right on the heals of us taking what we could see out. That happened 3 times. Maybe all of SoS is not to blame for that but I am pretty sure at least some knew what was going on.

SoS taught us how to exploit the culling issues in our BL (SoR) tonight. I think the best trick is the perma stealthed thief hiding in a camp trick. We tried to take it twice without seeing the meter go up before we realized what was going on. Nice way to take advantage of anets f-ups. I think we will lose this match at this point, but we will learn.

Either way, we fight.

[EDIT] I wanted to edit this to say that whoever it was at Anet that thought the way culling works now would be a good idea (even if it works as intended it would be worse than how it was before) was probably drunk.

So Toggles.1738, you just want us to give you all of our orbs that you say were hacked away, without any evidence, just because you said so because then, and only then will this be a fair fight? I know this is not a courtroom but have you ever heard of the term “burden of proof”? I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if you provide a screenshot or any other proof SoR will give you the orb back.

Also, the core that has always been at SoR DO NOT HACK. If we catch one of our own hacking we always report them as they deserve to be banned. If there indeed has been any hacking then it was done by someone who is not Sanctum of Rall. Rall stands for something and some of the new transfers seem to have no clue about what that is. We cannot speak for them but we WILL report the kitten out of them if they are cheating.

Zhaosen.3694:

Just have to survive that thief burst..then they run away.

Awesome game play.

As an ele I have to stay away from thieves and warriors. Warriors is easy to do because I can see them…

And the SoR isn’t really good posts begin. I will see myself out of this thread for the rest of the week.

Freaking a, I go to bed and this happens. I see Owl in that last score update so I know HF is doing work. XD

Well, with our new 4 hour queues, I kind of hope we get stomped and have some transfer out so I can play wvw again.

Just had a guildie get in after a 4 HOUR QUEUE! So much for transferring to a new server for shorter queue times, EH!?

And the people that chose Sanctum of Rall from the beginning really chose this server for a reason and you can bet your kitten none of us are leaving.

Wildman.9641:

So the take away here is Make GW3!! or DAOC 2…

Leave transfers alone! Why do all games have to cater to the PvPers? They are always in the minority but whine the most. Whatever changes they do has to be done to just WvW players.

Mostly because the free transfers are destroying established wvw communities.

Deunanna.7430:

My fun factor died when I saw 5 commanders on one borderland, and only recognized 2 names of the bunch. So many band wagoners now…

If we are going to continue to be good we need to welcome them so we can all work together. What made SoR super fun is that all of the core guilds have come to know and work with each other very well and we all have the same never say die attitude. It is SoR, we may lose but we always fight. That said, the free transfers need to have a week or two week long no WvW penalty at this point to discourage server jumpers. People coming over say they want awesome matches like we have had and shorter queues…

This thread, if anything, shows that the free transfers need to stop ASAP.

Thiefs, They are, no matter what any thief will tell you, completely OP in PvP right now and in WvW with the rendering issue, I routinely die to completely invisible foes ou in the field. So kitten annoying.

Bunnehboo.6025:

YB and GoM we have big bot problem they like to hang out in the skritt and centaur area if you be so kind to kill them it would be greatly appreciated. right now they are farming the krait in our borderlands

Enjoy the free badges <3

This problem is kind of huge as it takes away our slots for players that want to actually play the game. I reported all that I could find today before logging and it was seriously about 20 bots total.

They are not ignoring the problem, they simply think there is no problem at all.

Problem is that there are no leggings with those stats that I have found besides the ascalonian leggings (holy crap, what god awful ugly armor! How can this crap be dungeon armor? ) and the WvW Invader’s Armor which takes 370 Badges to get.

Right now I have 3 pieces of the vendor armor with those stats and about half way to my 4th and I am up to about 200 badges… slow going. I used to have ascalonian leggings but I screwed up the transmute (yes, they are that ugly) and took the wrong stats. I wish there was an undo transmute option because there really needs to be one.

I am sure it did.

If we see a hacker we report them ourselves. Like everyone else has been saying give us details so we can get rid of him.

Elementalists are screwed up balance wise almost beyond fixing. Seriously, how do THIEFS have more survivability? We do less damage than thiefs or even warriors even if we spec heavily into pure damage. Why is that? This class has just become a hassle for NO GAIN and I am kind of dropping it.

People say bring a stun breaker, so I need to bring three to stay alive? My experience is, get immobilized, cleansing fire-break stun, get immobilized again, dodge, dodge, frantically switch to fire for the staff #4 dodge… die.

Awesome balance. Ele is a class that punishes you for playing your kitten off and I am kind of sick of it. And you know what, judging from how Anet balanced GW1 they are never going to fix it so it is probably better to abandon ship now and just roll a stupid thief than go through even more frigging nerfs.

It isn’t over and Yak’s would do well to remember what place SoR was in before we got serious. You won’t keep those orbs forever and then you will have to actually fight.

I would just like to say that this situation is bad. A lot of people came to this game just for the WvW and it is now completely borked and it has been borked for a lot of people in this way since launch. I thought the flyhack and orb hacking were bad enough, this is literally game breaking.

I hadn’t had a chance to play WvW since the update (work) but I did tonight and really, it is just totally unplayable. I couldn’t see anyone around me, at all. Good times.

Awesome times. Got the same thing.

chronometria.3708:

I only stick with elementalist because that character is the guild master and i do a lot of WvW. I hear a lot of comments like “i chew through mobs now” and “this is so much easier” and i know they arent coming back to their ele’s unless major changes are made.

I stick with my ele….but every time i`m in that downed state i am wishing i had a button to just kill my character instead of being so helpless. Oh yes and every time i do those wvw puzzles in the borderlands i am wondering why my class is the only one not to reduce fall damage.

I regret sticking with it most of all when someone whacks me for 14,000 damage and the best i can do to them is a fraction of that, despite me being “glass cannoned”. I get the glass alright, but the cannon isnt there.

Nothing is there except some AOE and if i didnt have that, i wouldnt exist.

This pretty much sums up what I feel too. Why make ele the hardest profession and then make it have NO PAYOFF WHATSOEVER? I can play my kitten dodging like a champ, moving like a maniac and all it takes is 2 snares and I am dead in 2 hits. What is going on with that? Good thing I absolutely love WvW or my ele would definitely be collecting dust as they are good for nothing else.

Hey Jon! I am so glad that you are taking the only viable build that eles have away from them! Good thinking. They stink at everything else besides defending in WvW so why not take them all the way down to full suck!

As an aside, I made a Guardian and I can basically slap at my keyboard and kill everything in my path! BALANCE!

I have gotten this too on my ele. Only thing that got me out of it was staff skill number 4. I couldn’t dodge or teleport but the skill “dodge” got me out of it for some reason.

Staff, staff, staff, staff, staff, staff.

Yeah, we got the temple unbugged by getting them killed when they wouldn’t continue up to the temple. I think the next problem with Balthazar is how hard it is. I have never actually completed it and I gave up after a while. I kept checking my map to see if we had temple and I we never had it until yesterday morning of all times.

I find playing Ele really fun. We are so kittened that I have to do everything in my power to not die in two hits, even from mobs in PvE. I move a ton, I dodge like a champ and I am constantly switching my attunement and using every skill available to me. I have come to look at the attunement system as one big skill bar and I like to think I have completely mastered at least being a staff ele.

I love my ele but I have 8 characters that I have not played so I decided to try out my guardian the other day. My initial reaction was, “wtf?”, as I bought a greatsword and killed my first enemy. See as an ele I have to be really careful to not over agro or I am likely dead in seconds. Well, my guardian took out it’s first foe without a fight. So I kept playing and to my surprise I found that my guardian could easily take out 4 enemies at once. Not even breaking a sweat, barely taking a hit because I play guardian like I play ele. I found myself just demolishing everything. My ele always had problems with personal story quests early on but my guardian just smashes everything in her way.

The point is, ele can be so difficult at times that I think if you take the time to master just being proficient at the profession that it gives you a leg up when you try something else. I kind of always thought that all the professions had to work as hard as I do but I find guardian is just keyboard to the face easy.

So yeah, learning to play ele to me was like Rocky training in the meat plant or chasing the chicken around the yard and I think everyone that thinks combat is boring needs to take an ele refresher.

JonPeters.5630:

We thought we should put in our 2 cents as well.

Guild Wars 2 is a game about freedom. We want you to be able to explore the world and engage in a huge variety of activities, focusing on whatever best suits your tastes.

Some players have run into “diminishing returns” thresholds we put into the game to provide a safety net against unanticipated economy-breaking issues. We do have these thresholds in place, but it’s not our intention that normal players should ever run into them. We’ve recently had bugs and imbalances that have caused normal players to hit thresholds, and we’ll fix those.

These systems are put in place to protect the economy from botters and exploiters. We will close exploits as quickly as we can. These thresholds help create a safety net to keep the economy safe when we aren’t there to deal with the offender. It’s important to have a safety net in place. It would be bad for everyone if, for example, a group of players learned how to speed-clear a dungeon in 5 minutes, with full rewards each time, and then repeated that continuously. When one activity emerges that’s order of magnitudes more profitable than anything else in the game, it forces everyone to either engage in that activity or get priced out of the economy.

While we need a safety net to stop unanticipated economy-breaking exploits and botting, we have no desire to stop farming. Farmers are a part every online economy and when they are doing normal game activity they do not cause any harm. If a player finds a normal game activity fun and would like to keep doing it, that’s fine with us.

Initially we have to rely on smaller data sets, instinct and some guesswork to find the correct cutoff. What this means is that some players are going to bump into the edges of these systems for a while as we get them sorted out. Please bear with us while we gather more data and lower the safety net until it’s only providing critical economy protection. Looking at the numbers this morning, we believe some of the threshold systems are just too harsh empirically and we’ll be adjusting those systems within the next few weeks to ensure that fewer legitimate players are being impacted.

I hope this helps to explain why a game like this needs systems such as this to protect its economy. I also hope it gives some insight into our philosophy about botters (BAD) and exploiters (BAD) vs. farmers (GOOD). Thanks for your support and we will see you in game.

Jon

Really now. I would love it if you guys could sort out the fact that if I start the Balthazar temple events from the beginning, which you kind of need to do, that I hit the DR before even getting the southern army to the rally point. This system is beyond broken if people playing the game normally are never supposed to see it.

Beyond broken is kind of an understatement.

And… it is bugged again. Awesome times. I have enough karma to almost get 3 pieces of balth armor now and I can’t. And I think I am giving up.