Guild Wars 2

Aytrix.4059:

1. Change the buff to ACs from 80% to 30%.
2. ACs do half damage to other siege equipment.
3. ACs have a slightly smaller range than ballistas.
4. ACs can no longer shoot/damage through doors, walls and roofs. Meaning there needs to be a clear arc from the AC to its destination target.
5. Leave AC mastery as is.

Boom, ACs are balanced.

All of this.

thiagoperne.7340:

Aaron.4807:

thiagoperne.7340:

Devon and the others have allready said that they are looking into this, we are still waiting to see what happens next.

I think what Devon meant to say is “L2P with the new changes”. And the only issues with AC’s is the damage they are doing to sieges and the range, nothing else. And Im so indeed.

…no enemy force on the map, which is pretty much the only way to take a fortified keep now, you have to wait until the enemy gets bored and logs out.

Is not even worth to argue with someone that stil have this in mind. And that’s why this thread has too much whining. But don’t worry, you surely will get through this at some point.

If you think arrow carts are fine as is then I am inclined to believe that you are not even playing wvw at all.

thiagoperne.7340:

Devon and the others have allready said that they are looking into this, we are still waiting to see what happens next.

I think what Devon meant to say is “L2P with the new changes”. And the only issues with AC’s is the damage they are doing to sieges and the range, nothing else. And Im so indeed.

Really? So, Devon wants pvp taken out of wvw in favor of who can put up the first arrow cart? Because that is what wvw is turning into.

Last night we took bay easily with a pretty small force, (Saturdays are always slow but people are seriously tired of how wvw is right now), because when we started there was no enemy force on the map, which is pretty much the only way to take a fortified keep now, you have to wait until the enemy gets bored and logs out. All we did was build tons of arrow carts in the lords room. Then BG built some when they got into inner and then it was all about who could arrow cart the enemies arrow cart first. There was NO FIGHTING. I had an arrow cart for a while but I had been on it for so long I was afraid to lose my bags, so I got off of it to pick them up and someone promptly jumped on… People were fighting over arrow carts! And BG had no chance to even get near us. Tier 1 WvW, arrow versus arrow.

If anyone thinks this is a step in the right direction then they have no clue about world versus world at all.

DevonCarver.5370:

I’d like to shed some light on our thinking with this AC change as well as tell you all what we are doing right now to balance it.

Firstly, when siege weapons were originally created, they had the intent of being really good at some things and not so good at others. The arrow cart is intended to be the anti-personal siege weapon. It is intended that arrow carts are all about controlling an area through damage. If you remain in the area that is being hit by the arrow cart, you will die. You can however, move out of the space and/or find a new way to attack the intended target. That being said, they are not intended to be so good against other siege weapons and we are in the process of addressing that right now. We are also addressing their range when upgraded to be more in line with the range of ballistas.

Secondly, this change is going to require new tactics and those tactics include things like using ballista and catapults to destroy arrow carts. With that in mind, we’ve been looking more closely at the numbers of all the siege weapons and there are definitely some changes that need to be made to bring them in line with their intent. We are going to take a holistic pass at siege weapons in the coming months and drop a rebalance of all of them to get them to more closely align with what they should be doing.

Finally, the feedback you all provide is a very useful part of this whole process. WvW is a living, breathing game type and any changes we make have numerous consequences that don’t become fully visible until everyone starts interacting with them and devising new strategies. Our goal is to provide a complex combat space that rewards skill, tactics, and ingenuity and while we haven’t fully achieved that goal yet, I like to think we are getting there.

In the coming months, meanwhile you most of your most noteworthy wvw guilds will be looking for a new game to play.

Anet has kittening lost their mind.

TacoJoe.6083:

Zerg ball is still king. Now more than ever.

Yeah you are right with one caveat, whoever puts up the first arrow cart is now the winner.

I still think that anet updates the game by throwing a dart onto a wall of suggestions. Now more than ever.

Does anet realize that they will probably lose their wvw population and that a ton of us are now just waiting for eso to come out? I mean, they have proven over and over that they cannot be trusted at all to improve this game in a reasonable manner.

ammayhem.5962:

Aneu.1748:

With the ability to put 12 arrowcarts on a single door, adding poison to an arrowcart resulting in 33% less healing, increasing arrowcarts damage by 80%, with arrowcarts being so easily built with such small amount of supply required and increasing the time within which bleed stays on you from a cart… how do you think this is a positive addition to WvW?

I cant even … Im utterly dumbfounded at why someone at arenanet would think this is a good idea…

As I said in another thread, I see two arrow carts and 10 unfinished blueprints.

The point is all you need is 2 to hold off a full on assault now, with NO backup.

I don’t post in the forums because it usually is not worth it with all the trolls but…

I really felt compelled to come here and ask anet just what the kitten they were thinking when they super buffed arrow carts. Are the people making these changes actually playing WvW? And if they are, after this change, should they still be in charge of WvW when they clearly lack the cognitive ability to spot a broken change when they make one?

Welp. I am done now. I am not playing, deleted the game and coming here to argue with people who don’t even know the basic facts of what Anet has done is just…

Well, more of a waste of time than a game with a gear treadmill is.

So, the locusts get to ruin yet another game with tons of promise and I get to put yet another game studio on my own personal black list.

I think at this point the conspiracy thing is just really wishful thinking. I think that we were just flat out wrong about Anet the whole time.

It has been real and it has been fun, but it wasn’t real fun. I have deleted all links that deal with GW2 now so. I won’t be back. Hopefully one day someone will truly make a MMO for the player.

Good luck.

slazzy.7309:

LithePanther.5027:

Ahh, I feel like i’m back in the WoW forums.

Congratulations! GW2 players have achieved a level of whine I did not think was possible, nearly surpassing WoW Whine.

Do you want a shiny medal too?

Yup, this is truly epic. This is why the devs don’t respond, because you people are a joke. I sincerely hope you leave, because 1.) you don’t deserve to play in a game of this calibur, and 2.) I don’t deserve to put up with you.

Please, for the love of God, if you don’t like the changes, leave. Just leave. Leave by the thousands, because there will still be thousands left.

What I want all new players on this board to understand is the whining you read here is not indicative of what people who actually play the game feel. You won’t hear the same whining in game, you won’t see it on guildwars2forum.com, you won’t see it on the guildwars2 subreddit. Know why? Because those people actually play. The people here all run with the mob mentallity, which is to jump on the bandwagon with whatever hate post they see.

This definitely goes beyond the WoW drama. People really want to regurgitate their miserable lives onto everything they touch, and leave hate and misery in their wake. It won’t happen here. No matter how hard you filthpots try, you won’t destroy this game with your hate rhetoric.

I used to play, I used to do all you described and wonder why the forums were full of people whinging about nothing to do and demanded “progression”. And I laughed because I knew Anet would never do anything so dumb. The easy way out. Something they considered to be insulting to their customers. Their own word, that.

Then they twisted the knife right in. I blindly followed and praised them any time I could and got people that I know IRL that never played an MMO to buy and play an MMO because I knew Anet would make this MMO different.

What a crock.

The level of cognitive dissonance going on right now is staggering.

Don’t worry everyone. GW2 is basically now just WAR and just look at how well that game is doing!

Columba.9730:

Death Reincarnated.3570:

Ok here is a POV.

Why are people so overly concerned with the introduction of this new gear tier?

If you dont wan’t to do it (obtain, gather etc.) then don’t, simple. Or is it because you know you will do it but could not be bothered with another task?

If the latter is the case then why bother with it?

See, its a loop.

There are lots of tasks/goals/achievements to do in this game. All of which require “grinding” to complete. This new ‘Ascended’ gear tier is no different.

The point is, people are drawn towards completing stuff but hate to put in the effort – well tough luck my friend(s). The higher the reward the more effort needs to be put in.

I don’t see anything wrong with the introduction of the Ascended gear. Its not demoralising, however, what it does is add more content and cater for those who want to use it.

:)

Lol. to compete in wvwvw this gear is a must. don’t try to pretend otherwise.

Seriously, I hate this.

People saying that WvW is a zerg fest and based on zergs? It is if your server is bad at WvW. Serious WvW relies on balance just as much as sPvP and much, much more than PvE. To state otherwise is pure ignorance.

Serious WvW guilds and servers will grind for this utter crap. And if you don’t you will certainly be left behind. Yeah, you can go about being underpowered but as someone pointed out, the difference will be roughly equivalent to being always down the three orbs. And we all know how that worked out for WvW…

Tricsun.9682:

Kolache.3964:

Tricsun.9682:

WvW, it doesn’t matter at all unless the other server somehow has the vast majority of their players kitted out in Ascended gear, and if that was they case, they were probably going to roll over you without it anyways. WvW isn’t at all about one person, or even a dozen people, it’s about the server as a whole. Getting your face stomped on? Go man a treb or an arrow cart. Run supplies. Whatever.

Why does it not suffice when someone says they want the best gear to WvW in? Do you really need to make that decision for anyone else with your reasons?

Usually when you want to get the best of something, you need to put some effort into it. You don’t NEED it for WvW, you WANT it. This whole debate is like a little child stomping their feet because they have to do chores to get some ice cream for dessert.

The serious guilds and servers will grind for this crap. It will be a requirement for any serious WvWer because anyone without full ascended will be playing at roughly the equivalent of a server playing two servers that have control of all three orbs. Do you have any idea what it was like to fight a server that had all three orbs? Here is a hint, the orbs were recently completely removed from WvW.

If you are serious WvW in a serious WvW server than this gear will be a requirement to just stay competitive.

Mackdose.6504:

Too bad WvW isn’t meant to be balanced on the player level. Ascended items won’t save you from a trebuchet, ballista, or cata. Saying "WvWers have to PvE to stay “competitive” (false) by playing the game doesn’t make me upset in the least.

You want gear balance? sPvP and tPvP say Hi.

This is the worst post on this subject I have seen so far.

I would like to know if you are in a serious WvW server or guild. Because right now, you have no idea what is going on. People saying WvW is about zergs… you have no freaking idea.

Mackdose.6504:

Crater.1625:

It’s like you getting mad because you’re as skilled as any professional golfer, but before they let you compete, they’re requiring you to take five years unpaid leave from your job and sit in a warehouse, to simulate the extra time that professionals have spent training and practicing.

What are you competing for?

What the hell do you think WvW is? A hug circle?

I would also continue playing the game on a vanilla server.

The fact that Mcloed has just posted in a thread that is basically asking the same questions and worries as this one is proof enough that Anet will never answer us.

His answer was also super vague and NOT what we have heard from Anet all through development.

I would like to always keep this thread pushed to top though, just so new players can see what they are getting into.

I have been playing NBA2k13 but this whole thing has dampened my enthusiasm for gaming in general.

I might check out Elderscrolls but will probably not play it.

Firefall was mentioned, maybe I will give that a shot.

So, this will be the last thing I have to say on this situation. I feel like we are screaming at a brick wall of what apparently was pure greed to begin with.

Listen, I know companies are companies to make money, and nowadays that goal comes at the expense of even the companies own products and even the company itself ( meaning: outsourcing, layoffs, etc… ) .

This move is geared to just make money, maybe it was Anets intention the whole time, maybe it wasn’t. The only way we will find that out is if anyone important at Anet leaves in the next year or two.

What Anet have done with the introduction on Ascended gear and the “new gear progression initiative” is a war of attrition. They hope to retain, but for every one person they retain they are losing one (or more) to the endless grind that we all bought this game to escape. Eventually people that do not frequent the forums will figure it out.

In Anets manifesto they showed us, the players, that they got it. MMOs had become stagnant with the same design decisions being made in every MMO to date. And we were tired, we are getting older, a lot of the core of this game only has so much time to play. Myself, I am 30, I have a full time job that is more important than this game and Mike O’brien showed me that he got it with his comment about GW2 competing with my real life for time. 5 years ago Guild Wars 1 showed me that my real life was more important. They did not insult us with treadmills designed to keep us playing for no reason. And Guild Wars 1 got my time and energy. Anet got it right.

And I thought they got it right this time.

But Ascended tier grind shows that getting it right is not a priority. Just the money.

It is their prerogative, but it is my prerogative to speak out and to leave this game. I feel Anet turned their back on me so I am turning my back on them. Honestly, anyone that had been an Anet customer since GW1 had no inkling that this was coming. That is what has a lot of us upset. We were quite literally blindsided.

Now for my last post here, since posting at a forum for a game I don’t play is entirely pointless and I have no confidence that Anet will fix this I will leave you guys with this quote that you may recognize. haha

“Now before I finish, let me just say
I did not come here to show out, did not come here to impress you
Because to tell you the truth when I leave here I’m GONE!
And I don’t care WHAT you think about me – but just remember,
when it hits the fan brother, whether it’s next year, ten years,
twenty years from now, you’ll never be able to say
that these brothers lied to you JACK!”

In all honesty, I wish everyone good luck and I hope the game is great for everyone that enjoys this type of content and lives up to your expectations. It certainly did not live up to mine.

I couldn’t say. I didn’t check before I deleted the game. But it was probably about the same as you.

TransparentlyOpaque.1824:

hplee.2839:

Fozzik.1742:

I’ve decided to skip the weekend event. I don’t feel like logging in.

I’m not sure when I’ll feel like it again…but even when/if I do, I won’t be wasting another dime on this game. I bought gems the first two months because I wanted to show ArenaNet that I supported the game they made, and I wanted them to fix the bugs and add more of the same great content. Instead, they took my money and used it to turn the game into something I don’t find even remotely fun, and which has sucked out my motivation to log into a game that I really, really enjoyed.

In short, they used my money to screw me over. I won’t make the mistake of paying them anything again. I hope the event is fun for the folks who see it.

hello there Drama kings/queens, Guild-war 1 puritists and anti-extra-stats-on-gear fundementalists

i will like to thank you for not playing the game, we already have enough of people in Lion’s Arch that makes it so laggy…

people still turn up for the event despite 200 pages of tears (Anet if you are reading it the lag is unacceptable) , and the dungeon is amazing.

please keep crying on the forum and stop log-in into thegame so the rest of us can enjoy a lag-free event

If you can manage to read through all of the tear soaked typing, you will see that a lot of it is the same few people posting over and over again. I clicked on a few of the hyper negative posters and view their history, and some of them have 20+ posts in this thread.

Its hard to really gauge how many people are hardcore upset with the changes, because the few that are crowding the thread with their drama.

For me, its still the same game for now. Im not that impressed with the new event, but there sure was a massive lag inducing turn out- so there is still a massive crowd that is interested in the game.

Some of us have posted a lot in this thread but do you really think 5 or even 10 of us could fill a 200 page thread?

If you go back in lock a ton of first (and last) time posters have chimed in against this kitten.

In before the merge with the thread that shall not be named (or read by anyone in Anet, apparently).

To answer your question: I don’t know. I don’t know what happened. I don’t know what happened to Anet. All I can say is that I feel what another poster termed extreme nerd breakup. I feel betrayed and I am definitely not the only one.

Why is there an ascended back piece before there is even a god kitten exotic back piece?

I just don’t get it, this update just doesn’t seem right at all.

Link your gear!

Just Another MMO. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

Here it is Anet. This is the game you strived so hard to make. Here is the crystal clear vision of people working together in harmony. Always on equal footing, never worrying about arbitrary numbers locking people out of content.

Here is what you have built.

I hope the ends really justified the means.

So, a post I made saying I have deleted the client in protest of the new gear treadmill direction the game is taking was deleted because it was not on topic.

Excuse me, it is entirely on topic.

You want to know my thoughts on Ascended gear? I deleted the kitten client and will not be re downloading the kitten thing until Anet realizes just how badly they have screwed up.

This is on topic, I have done this because I am totally disgusted with being lied to and fooled by Anet for 7 years. I would say that is pretty on topic.

Angrec.6970:

Loosifah.4739:

Freyar (Who’s… 3 hours ago
I’m concerned over ascended gear. Is Guild Wars 2 supposed to be moving towards traditional MMO progression? One of the reasons I stepped away from WoW and others was so that I could enjoy an MMO at my own pace without the risk of being excluded by something like Gear Score.
IsaiahCartwright @Freyar (Who’s best… 3 hours ago
I can see your concern, our goal with ascended items is to fill the gap in our progression between exotics and legendary as well as give us a new tool with the infusion slot to give more depth of rewards by offering new and interesting infusions that are directed at different game types.

And that answers absolutely nothing, we have gotten just as much from the blogpost, not to mention there is no gap in progression…

I know. I am sick of hearing that from Anet. It is not a gap in progression but a gap in GRIND. There is a kitten clear difference between the two.

Loosifah.4739:

Exotic is soooo easy to get. You have money; therefore you have exotics.

Point being Loosifah? Do you understand that this fact was the whole point of this kitten game in the first place? The people that love this game are sick to death of gear grind. I never want to play another game with god kitten gear grind. If the people that need numbers to go up a little needed gear grind than go play a game with gear grind. Instead Anet caved and betrayed what I believe is the majority of their player base.

The reason this thread is the biggest on these forums and has ton of first time posters posting against this utter kitten should be a clue to them that the kittened up. I doubt it though.

Vash.9183:

You people really have some trust issues. They have officially said that they will not be creating further tiers of armor past this set. I’m sure they’re aware that they can be quoted on such matters. You aren’t wasting anything.

No they didn’t. They didn’t say anything like that at all. In fact, they have said quite the opposite.

What the two people writing about this did say was, to paraphrase, “We are not adding gear treadmill, but here is a new tier of gear and we will be adding more of this gear later, oh and we wanted to save adding gear tiers for expansions but we will do this one early to appease some folk.”

Pretty much the opposite of what you are saying, Vash.

You haven’t read Linsey’s blog post, Have you Teva?

Seriously, reading comprehension is the very key to understanding what is being said. And reading comprehension also entails reading between the lines. Companies must think very little of their costumers if they do not realize that most of us know PR speak when we see it.

crewthief.8649:

I all honesty, this is probably it for me when it comes to MMOs. Folks, with this, I think it’s clear that there is no TRUE innovation on the horizon. You either enjoy this garbage, or you don’t. And if you don’t, then you don’t enjoy MMOs apparently. I suppose I don’t enjoy MMOs.

This is probably the truest thing that has been said in this thread.

Anet campaigned on promises and we dared to believe. We dared to hope that someone finally got it. We bought into the fact that they had played MMOs too and knew the bad parts that no one wanted to deal with anymore. And we whole heartedly believed Anet when they told us that if we didn’t like MMos than we would love Guild Wars 2.

Not only did we dare to hope, but most of us went all in. We got friends that never played an MMO before to buy the game based on watching the manifesto and a few videos of content… I got real life friends to buy this game. Something I have not done for any other game I have ever played. I bought it, hook, line, and sinker.

What I failed to realize was… Arena.Net was just making an MMO. Just another MMO. It looked better, the combat was actiony and mostly responsive, it was purportedly grind free. But in the end, Arena Net really had no ambitions other than to make a good MMO, and with that MMO came all that the current dogma in MMO game design entails. They said they were making something different, and really, Guild Wars 2 is different. But, it is still just an MMO…

I should have known better, but I had faith in Arena Net. More fool me.

Lothair.8942:

sireuh.3870:

A guy said this on another forum

A few quotes from 3 months back about gearing:

“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”
-Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”
– Colin Johanson

What a crock of kitten. Way to mislead your player base with rhetoric and now back peddling in the latest statements. If I had known this 5 months ago, I wouldn’t have bought this game in the first place. I was lied to and gaining the trust back of your customer base is one of the hardest things to do.

I agree with you whole heartedly. If I knew Anet was going to do this in June, or if this bull kitten was always a part of the design, I NEVER would have bought Guild Wars 2 as gear treadmills are a totally kitteny and arbitrary way of creating non-content.

I would never have bought this game and I regret the purchase now.

Hey, this dungeon has already made the old dungeons obsolete because they do not reward you with ascended gear. Anet has already made content that is 3 months old irrelevant. Weeeeeeeee.

Celle.2716:

stof.9341:

Celle.2716:

Arenanet buff´s the dungeonrewards also i think, bacause they are NOT stupit and throw there dungeons out of the window.

Can I get back the tokens I wasted buying suboptimal and worthless exotic dungeon items then?

no. Rewards/outcomes/drops from Leveling, crafting, mapcompletion neither. To run the new dungeon successfully you want to have exotics equipt. The dungeon becomes more difficult further you go.

That is not the point. A lot of us have now wasted tons of hours in game running dungeons because we thought it was getting us the top tier in armor. In other words, we thought it was time well spent for a good reward. Anet has now told us that time means nothing and we will have to waste more time in just ONE dungeon with a kitteny mechanic that sucks in every other game that uses it to grind for the max gear now. kitten that. Why would Anet basically destroy 8 dungeons worth of content!? Don’t they realize no one will ever do those dungeons again?

Chris, I am sorry but Anet has pretty much lost all credibility with this crap already. The trust is broken and guess what, Chris, those same hardcore players will be demanding more item progression in 3 months. What will you guys do then? The precedent has been set.

I was hoping that Linsey’s blog was wrong and when we finally got a reply it would be shown as wrong, but you basically said the same kitten thing as Linsey. No dice.

Einhanjar.3687:

Aaron.4807:

Lifelike.5862:

About time. New gear and something new to work towards.

Suck it up, casuals.

Since casuals make up the majority of the population of this game, good luck playing a surely dying game. Can’t find a party? Suck it up hard cores, this is what you wanted.

game is dying? look at the server status its all about full and medium, I bet if you casual quits wont make difference LOL

I am not really casual. ButI don’t know if you know this, this game gained it’s popularity based on it’s predecessor. GW1 had a very loyal following and gave GW2 a very strong core fan base and promises were made. Now it seems they are turning their back on us for people like you, who most likely never supported Anet in the past and probably heaped scorn on them for making a kitteny game like GW1.

I wouldn’t underestimate just what this sudden shift and abandonment of promises is going to do to that population when they realize what is going on. It probably won’t be too pretty. I know a few that I have talked to in my guild have expressed the same concern. I myself am out. I will look in on the game from time to time through the forums to see if they have fixed this massive kitten up of monumental proportions but until they do, they get no more money from me and I will not log in.

Loosifah.4739:

On a side note: If ANet completely turned around and said “We were wrong, we’re not going to introduce this” it would completely make them look weak and like they have no conviction to what they’re doing.

Actually, Loosifah, this fact is already apparent as they have already reneged on possibly the key component of the MMO Manifesto. Anet is already weak and lack conviction and if seeing a lot of core Anet fans say that hurts them then maybe they should really think about what they are about to do or maybe, hmmmmm, tell us exactly what they are doing rather than continue with this cone of silence.

Garenthal.1480:

As a personal plea, I would urge the moderators to think twice about wielding aggressive moderation tactics in a thread such as this. Tensions are high, though I’m not seeing much to warrant the deletion of many of the posts that are vanishing. I’d also like to point out that someone being blunt in their posts doesn’t necessarily mean they warrant an infraction and/or ban. Not every coats their words in sugar, so please respect that.

Don’t hold your breath, I got a post deleted because I used caps on three words for emphasis. So, the bar is reeeeeeaaaaaal high.

Because of this, all other dungeons are obsolete and will become ghost towns. Way to make all of your content relevant.

I love how the mods are just throwing all the threads made to protest this kitten into this thread to mitigate the extreme negative view that this change in manifesto has garnered.

Keep up the good work, maybe no one will notice that everyone hates this.

I see a lot of (I say a lot but it is relatively few compared to those that are against this update) of people saying that this is needed and adds “depth” or whatever crap they come up with to rationalize this update. The simple fact is that most of the people that bought this game bought it because of the very fact that this game would not have something as depthless as gear treadmills. Johanssen even made fun of them and Anet fed us that for years. I have a feeling that most of these people, anets core fans, the people still kittening playing, will eventually leave over this.

So to the few that welcome the unwelcome grind, good luck finding those that agree with you and look out for server mergers if this trend continues.

It seems with the new addition of gear treadmill, along with the quote from Anet themselves that this is just the beginning of their new gear treadmill initiative, that Guild Wars 2 has now become Just Another MMO, or JAMMO.

What is next? Mounts? 50 man raids? Will Black Lion start selling this new ascended gear soon? Will I have to grind trash mobs to level up in the expansion a la Perfect World?

You SOLD this game to people as the alternative, as something new, as something different. And now you went back on that. Not exactly false advertising but duplicitous nonetheless. If I could get a refund at this point I would, that is how mad I am.

I wonder how this decision came about and who exactly had their hands in it.

But for now I am left to ponder if I will play another MMO again after this. Probably not and I certainly won’t wait for Guild Wars 3 as long as I patiently waited for guild Wars 2, or any other Anet game they may make. I know it is Just A Game, but after playing GW1 for 7 years and following GW2 for 7… It is hard to express just how deep my disappointment with this game now goes and how much time I have wasted on it already.

Well, c’est la vie.

I think we are witnessing a Titanic moment here and Anet just sailed into the iceberg. They did so by critically misjudging their loyal fan base,

Good bye, Failnet. It was nice knowing you for 3 months.

Well anet. Game over. What a terrible kittening decision.

That MMORPG.com article is pretty kitten to me. This can only be bad.

Angrec.6970:

I think its going to be hard to justify to myself all the work I put into exoticing out two characters and transmuting to have them the way I want going down the drain.

Yeah I think I would have a hard time logging in if that happened, but I trust arenanet not to have done something so insane like adding a new tier level this far after release.

I am having a hard time logging in right now and think I will take a break form the game, tbh.

Thayel.1236:

Not going to read 25 pages so if this is a rehash oh well.
I seem to recall Anet saying something along the lines of legendary comparable armors coming out sometime after release. Exotic is not the top tier for weapons, legendary is. So releasing this new armor is nothing more then them doing exactly what they planned in the first place. A tier above Exotic and on par with Legendary is not cause for freaking out.

Except that legendary weapon stats are not better than exotic stats while these stats will be better than exotic armor stats. So, you are giving us a false equivalency.

bcbully.7289:

Aaron.4807:

I do not intend to be dramatic with this post but it will certainly come off as dramatic.

If this is indeed an implementation of a kitten gear treadmill…

The day when my current exotic gear is not competitive is the day I am done with GW2. I got value out of it, but Anet will not get anymore of my money.

ofcourse you’ll still be competitive. You might not have “the best” gear though.

i meant in the context of a protracted gear treadmill system, which by anets comments they seem to be implementing. I will not be participating in anything like that. Down the road, when everyone out gears me and the game is no fun because my max exotics don’t cut it. I am certainly done. I imagine a lot of people will be.

I do not intend to be dramatic with this post but it will certainly come off as dramatic.

If this is indeed an implementation of a kitten gear treadmill…

The day when my current exotic gear is not competitive is the day I am done with GW2. I got value out of it, but Anet will not get anymore of my money.

souldonkey.9534:

Aaron.4807:

This is the dumbest thing that Anet could have ever done. Seriously, what the hell are they thinking?

You don’t even know the details so how can you say it’s dumb, let alone the dumbest thing they could have ever done? Dramatic much?

Not dramatic but if this adds a new tier of gear to the game then Anet basically added a gear treadmill to the game, which they have REPEATEDLY. let me repeat that, REPEATEDLY have over 5 years now told us we would not have to deal with.

So, now, here we are, staring down the thing THAT WE HATE and saying, “come on guys, this might not be baaaaaaaaaad, maaaaaaaan.” This is terrible, this is kitteny gear progression and artificial content inflation.

Not. Good.

This is the dumbest thing that Anet could have ever done. Seriously, what the hell are they thinking?

dpcaldae.3068:

I would absolutely love to have a 4th utility slot in place of the elite. That right there should be enough of a clue that the elites need changing. As far as the racial elites go, they’re pretty much all garbage.

I have been saying this since the beginning. Our elites are WORSE than some of our utilities and I would gladly give up my elite slot for another utility. That REALLY should be screaming “FIX ME” at Anet right there. We are past the stage where anet tells us to get the know the class better. I know the freaking class.

So, to answer the OP: None of them.