Guild Wars 2

More Bullkitten for sPVP and Devs making excuses they forgot to add things to the patch notes…The sPVP forum is on nuclear meltdown.

GW1 = Epic GvG
GW2 = PVE and should not have included PvP (its a joke and is tacked on)…should see the PVP thread after todays patch….if you enter be safe…its dangerous.

John Peters remark is just them saying…

“oh kitten!!! we kittened up again!!”

Quick make some changes and we will ninja patch them in and say “oops we left them out of the notes”

Thats what Im seeing…

What a professional group…

JonPeters.5630:

There are some updates missing from the notes. We are tracking down those, but some changes to the D/D and S/D ele build are in this patch despite not being in the notes.

In other words you guys are scrambling to make a few changes real quick…ninja patch them in…then say “oh!! haha!! we forgot to put these in the patch notes!”

>.>

What a joke… should remove PVP from GW2 and pretend it never happened… how can people fail so hard after something so good like GW1’s PVP?

I read all the interviews…but part 2 really stuck out at the part when the person was asked about taking aspects of GW1 and adding them to GW2…imo the comment was a slap in the face of GW1 fans…also it seems to contradict what was stated in the manifesto video….

Feel free to read the interview then go down to post # 2 in the comments. This person nailed it on the head… Reason for my post.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/news/1034-qa-with-colin-johanson-part-ii/

Below is the old manifesto video showing where they said GW2 takes EVERYTHING we loved about GW1….seems to contradict a LOT with the above statement in the interview.

Its about 40 seconds into the video.

My question is… Why does everything so greatly differ?
Why is their usual answer “its on the list” or “its on the back burner” or “We have thought about it…but…” ??

Kind of bums me out…

Healix.5819:

Cantha won’t be an expansion until they solve a small problem.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/How-is-getting-rid-of-Cantha-a-universal-representation-of-humanity/

Wow read this… was looking for the late/early April fools!!!….never saw it >.>

GOtta love another certain company being in charged changing this games direction and everything about it…

Id like faction specific skills as well like GW1 had.

Also yes more skills like what GW1 had would be nice…

Also duel professions…. That would add a lot of choice instead of the usual cookie cutter builds we see now…

It would indeed be nice..even a FPS view for pictures at least…

Yes Yes I know…Camera system is intentional even though its terrible and has a mind of its own.

Actually have people be able to “sit”

Or even the NPC’s sitting in all the chairs I see everywhere. Like in the great hall….

Silly as it may sound it would add some immersion.

I think Anet totally forgot that part =/

Calmwinds.4753:

Danikat.8537:

Not sure about 1st expansion but I’m sure it’ll be in eventually.

It’d be a bit silly for them to go through all the effort of creating Winds of Change to establish the lore behind what happened to Cantha and then never add it to the game.

Good point. I really hope you’re right. From a cost perspective though, continuing Cantha 200 years later would be cheaper and less time consuming for ANET than creating a whole new idea/place.

They need to make new never seen areas. The actual size of the world is massive.

They have a lot to work with and I hope to see more of the rest of the world.

Cantha would be nice but personally imo…there is a whole lot more they can do first.

On the pic you see the zones that have already been done for GW1 and 2….there is so much more..

Heck even the Southern Part of where Cantha is located could be cool?

marnick.4305:

It shouldn’t be on consoles because of several key issues.
- fracturing the playerbase. Nextbox and PS4 require a dedicated network.

- You have to pay Sony/Microsoft to deploy patches. Given the amount of updates any MMO requires, the console versions usually don’t get any.

- Too many hardware architectures. Optimizing for PC is already difficult enough. No need to get funky console hardware. Cell, while powerful, was a development nightmare. The Xbox360 with its shared memory wasn’t that much better.

- Development requirements regarding the OS. On xbox you are required to make playlists. On PS4 you are required to make trophies (and only trophies). That’d mean scrapping achievements for the PS4 version. I don’t think Arena.net needs even more people to dictate their terms.

There is a reason exclusives are the best games. As an oldtime xbox360 fanboy I’d much rather have a ps3 exclusive than a bad multi-plat title like GTA4. But that’s merely my observation. If you want an underpatched, non-supported version of GW2 on the PS4 … be my guest to promote that.

PS4 is pretty much straight PC on the inside now (again…read the PS4 specs in the first link on my OP…also nextbox is not confirmed but rumored to have AMD components as well)…porting wont be an issue.
Playstation network links with PC gaming networks and server….iirc its Xbox live that has the closed network

As far as other issue not sure…

Winfernal.9208:

In my opinion.

We’re in 2013. Consoles aren’t what they used to be.

Sure. Give them GW2, M+KB and an headset. Why not? Whats the difference? No one would notice any difference if i decided to play GW2 on an console with M+KB one day.

Also dont forget the PS4 controller has a touch panel on it…that would make at least moving a mouse cursor around easier…may help with MMO style game and navigating the actual console and all its features using a mouse type pointer.

offence.4726:

If I can recall corectly every major gaming title ported to PC was a major flop , the only thing untouched are the PC mmo’s no need to ruin them too. No thank you

imo…with the next gen Xbox and PS4 (they are basically PCs inside now with traditional..somewhat custom PC hardware) I believe that the horrors of ports from console to PC or the other way will be a thing of the past…PC will always look better Im sure with new hardware release every year but still the porting process will be a million times easier.

Im really glad sony got its act together and dropped that horrible Cell (while a powerful chip..was hard to program for) in favor of more traditional PC hardware.

kokiman.2364:

Angelus.1042:

kokiman.2364:

>86x cpu
>8gb ram
????

You didnt look at the specs or read what I wrote my friend.

X86 is a common term for PC architecture and so on blah blah lol

Its a 64 bit 8 core processor

Scroll down in the link Look at the specs

http://technabob.com/blog/2013/02/20/sony-ps4-specs-games-announced/

Ah okay thanks.

To your question:
Of cause it would be stupid to release GW2 for consoles.

Noone would ever be able to make is as good as on PC, for example placing AoE Skills: you cant be precise and fast at the same time with analogsticks.

Keyboard and mouse??…and yes I and many others dont mind chilling on the couch at the big tv with a keyboard and mouse…may not be a lot but Im sure its a decent ammount

I dont feel like lugging my PC into the living room lol

just my opinion lol

kokiman.2364:

>86x cpu
>8gb ram
????

You didnt look at the specs or read what I wrote my friend.

X86 is a common term for PC architecture and so on blah blah lol

Its a 64 bit 8 core processor

Scroll down in the link Look at the specs

http://technabob.com/blog/2013/02/20/sony-ps4-specs-games-announced/

Well in my opinion both next consoles are going with the full on PC internals…albiet customized but essentially they will be small form factor PCs designed for pumping out games on your TV.

So I think (besides nintendo) that the next gen of big boys are going to be close to the same thing and its just gonna be a matter of what brand you like or if you are going to get them both for exclusives to that console….at the end of it though I feel that with them taking the PC internals stance it will be a lot simpler this next Generation to design games for Xbox720, PS4 and PC and then easily port them to each other.

Guild Wars 2 or any other MMO could take advantage of this and I have no issue sitting on my large couch reclining with a wireless keyboard and mouse playing my favorite MMO’s.

ChipSet.8435:

Angelus.1042:

Tolmos.8395:

I can see it happen on the “Xbox 720”, but not the PS4. PS3 is based on openGL, so I would assume that the PS4 will be too.. This game is a directX game. Changing that is no simple matter. Unless I’m mistaken, Xbox DOES run DirectX so porting it over would be far less work and far more feasible.

So no, I would be super super surprised if we saw a PS4 release of this game.

DID no one READ the specs?

After reading the last few comments.

PS4 will be based on all major programming languages.

This is WHY Sony went with x86 (PC) architecture because they don’t want the nightmare programmers had from PS3 with Cell.

The Xbox 360 use a IBM powerPC X64 architecture. In other words, it’s not an intel CPU and/or an architecture commonly use among pc gamers. So, again , those specs mean nothing unless they are easy to work with.

X86 is a common term for saying PC architecture even though the technology is 64 bit.

Also PS4 Has 8GB DDR5 Ram…way past 32bit …as I said X86 is just a common term for PC architecture…the console is indeed 64bit or higher.

Also Durango (next box) is going to be going the same AMD hardware route as Sony but with possible GPU difference and Memory.

Vorch.2985:

Angelus.1042:

People dont read any of the links or specs. >.>

PS4 wont use Cell since it was a nightmare to program for thats why PS4 wont support PS3 games (except via cloud gaming)

It IS USING x86 PC architecture. Same as programming a PC game with support for all technologies.

GW2 would work just fine.

http://techreport.com/news/24387/sony-confirms-playstation-4-pc-guts

I hear ya. I just haven’t seen anywhere that says DirectX will be supported. It would make sense, but it IS a MS technology.

Microsofts next console will be using Blu ray which IS sony tech…so I dont see why they cant just be bros lol..

Not counting the Durango (xbox) will be using AMD hardware as well…

People dont read any of the links or specs. >.>

PS4 wont use Cell since it was a nightmare to program for thats why PS4 wont support PS3 games (except via cloud gaming)

It IS USING x86 PC architecture. Same as programming a PC game with support for all technologies.

GW2 would work just fine.

http://techreport.com/news/24387/sony-confirms-playstation-4-pc-guts

Tolmos.8395:

I can see it happen on the “Xbox 720”, but not the PS4. PS3 is based on openGL, so I would assume that the PS4 will be too.. This game is a directX game. Changing that is no simple matter. Unless I’m mistaken, Xbox DOES run DirectX so porting it over would be far less work and far more feasible.

So no, I would be super super surprised if we saw a PS4 release of this game.

DID no one READ the specs?

After reading the last few comments.

PS4 will be based on all major programming languages.

This is WHY Sony went with x86 (PC) architecture because they don’t want the nightmare programmers had from PS3 with Cell.

Im not looking for O.M.G!!!!!! PS4>>>Xbox or vice versa or PC master race rules all!!!11!1! blah blah blah…Im want to try have an intelligent conversation here. Please keep it that way. I also mentioned some other MMO;s in here…only as a speculation not stating they are better…so no fanboy wars. Thank you.
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Now that PS4 has been announced it shows some pretty impressive specs for a console. Coming Holiday 2013.
8 core x86 CPU (easy to program for since its PC based)

ALSO X86 is a common term for PC Architecture…This does does not mean its 32it or anything it…>.> ITs a 64bit CPU look at the specs in the first link *; so many people are missing this part and wondering why its got 8gb ram and think its a 32 bit processor

8 GB DDR5 Ram
AMD GPU
etc

http://technabob.com/blog/2013/02/20/sony-ps4-specs-games-announced/

All the social integration and features are nice as well as well as the system has a secondary hardware processor in the system dedicated to handling background downloads, updates etc etc….this way the main CPU’s and GPU’s dont have to deal with all that stuff and focus on the game.

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-release-date-news-and-features-937822

Heres some next gen game footage.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/02/20/the-games-of-playstation-4.aspx

I don’t see why Guild Wars 2 couldn’t be released on the PS4 and even the NextBox (not announced yet).

Next gen consoles look like they will have the ability, hard drive space etc etc to run any modern MMO now.

Blizzard is making Diablo for PS3 and PS4….

I almost wouldn’t be surprised if they (bliz) put their next gen Titan MMO (heck maybe even WoW…never know) on the PS4….or any other MMO company for that matter…Elder scrolls online etc etc…again I’m just speculating this part….but Blizzard has stated in todays PS4 reveal about their partnership with SOny for the new console.

Heck you can easily use a keyboard and a mouse or even a controller if the MMO supports it. I…like many HAVE NO problems sitting on my recliner with a wireless keyboard and mouse playing GW or another MMO on my big TV…it beats sitting in a desk chair at the desk all day.

Id love to see GW2 on the next gen systems. Im sure they could pull in a lot more players. Also Sony’s network has always been open to play with PC owners. Only issue has been Xboxs closed Live network (that could change). But still…It may be a possibility for PS4 GW2 players to play with PC players.

I’m probably missing some stuff but Id like to see what others think…if anything.

Remember be nice

Thanks.

Doomguard.5094:

Angelus.1042:

Doomguard.5094:

The camera cannot be fixed, they have already explained this numerous times. The only thing they can do is to design the new JPs to be less claustrophobic so that the camera won’t twitch as much.

Wow…so they made a camera that is fail from the beginning with no way to fix it?

Im not even talking JP’s…Im talking about so many areas running in caves etc etc where the camera has a mind of its own… Camera bounces in and out like a slinky…has a mind of its own…its just terrible imo…only place its decent is in an open area…even then it dont zoom out much…there should be a zoom like what the mad king zone had.

No first person view either…

I just dont understand why they would make it this way…Im sure they had to have seen how terrible it was from the start? Even GW1 has a better camera …

sigh…

The camera was changed just before GW2 launched to fix camera issues with it not properly detecting walls, it would often rotate behind walls and you would be able to look at what lies beneath and around the world, so yeah this new camera was needed.

As for first person point of views, they also explained that as well. It is not possible to have a first person camera in this game because for starters, the weapons and skills weren’t designed to be viewed from such a perspective. Unlike in other MMOs (which have fps camera) in GW2 you don’t just stand still during combat and spam attacks, yes WoW has fps camera, but it doesnt have jumping 180 degrees summersaults, or those 10 sec spinning tornado attacks, how do you think those would translate into fps mode?

It would translate like every other FPS does it…your view stay forward rest of your body and weapons is spinning… go play other mmo/games with an fps view.

Elder scrolls has it that way…and their elder scrolls online MMO will have it that way to with dynamic combat…jumping around spinning attacks etc…all while in FPS view as well.

anyways im done…camera sucks just like sPVP and so many other issues in this game….we just have to deal with it I suppose until another MMO comes along and everyone jumps on that bandwagon and rinse and repeat.

I love the idea of making a legendary quest to get a legendary weapon…a lot better then buying it off the trading post and saying ZOMG!!!11!1! look what i have!!

Gaining a legendary should involve a legendary quest line….not buying it off the TP or grinding the same dungeon for months.

If there is some grinding thats fine…just spread it out in locations and at least do waht some other MMOs do…mask the grind with a purpose or a story…like faction grinding in GW1 which gave new abilities and so on.

wildcode.5403:

This should not be implemented as it will result in “elitist” behaviour with any sort of group activity and encourage discrimination against sections of the community who do not have the “expected” setup.

As an example someone might want to speed run dungeons, and have it in their mind that only people setup for DPS can do speed runs efficiently so will start inspecting anyone who wants to join the party to see if they have a class cannon build or not, and remove anyone who does not.

Also, how far do you take a system like this, just armour, jewels, weapons, what about traits and skills? Implementing a partial inspect system will result in some vocal members wanting more information from the inspection.

Guild Wars 2 is about, using ArenaNet’s own mantra, playing the game the way you want, this include armour setup, weapons, jewels, traits and skills. Allowing an inspection tool would ultimately result in a reduction of variety in player builds as people will standardise their builds to what groups expect them to have.

Theres already plenty of elitest behaviour…just PUG a fractals grooup…

May as well add more fuel to the fire…I say add it

WvW is casual…as in whoever has the most on their side wins or keeps the keep…Its all about Zerging…sadly…..what fun…

Then again i guess that is what makes it fun for casuals..run into a zerg and button mash

Doomguard.5094:

The camera cannot be fixed, they have already explained this numerous times. The only thing they can do is to design the new JPs to be less claustrophobic so that the camera won’t twitch as much.

Wow…so they made a camera that is fail from the beginning with no way to fix it?

Im not even talking JP’s…Im talking about so many areas running in caves etc etc where the camera has a mind of its own… Camera bounces in and out like a slinky…has a mind of its own…its just terrible imo…only place its decent is in an open area…even then it dont zoom out much…there should be a zoom like what the mad king zone had.

No first person view either…

I just dont understand why they would make it this way…Im sure they had to have seen how terrible it was from the start? Even GW1 has a better camera …

sigh…

This has been suggested since press beta. (a year now)

Most people know why.

Bounce in bounce out, terrible for JP;s etc etc etc.

people always saying lions arch is in overflow…thats cause of FOTM and the entire server population is in LA only….just cause LA is overflow does not mean the server is alive and booming. It just means LA has most the population on it and the rest of the world is deserted.

Oni.5429:

Right, with the sticky this caught my interest.

I’m not streaming right now but I will start streaming when my partnership with own3d gets through, which wont be long.
http://www.own3d.tv/Crs-Helseth

Seeing own3d is shutting down now… ina few weeks..

im a go play mario now since i heard that underwater music…

Yes…changing levels does nothing.

Should add a feature to let us see the underground caves we have explored from the world map instead of us having to go into the zone and enter the cave before we can see the cave zone.

yeh why the hell is this not an option?

as Ive said before…They can put in large group raids and just call them Missions like GW1 had….there you go…the word “raid” wont be in the game then which seems to be the only part that makes fan boys cry is the actual word “raid”

Guild Wars 2….I had so much hope and excitement…but you have changed so much over these short few months thanks to people like this Nex__ Cancer destroying the game….. I am truly sad..

Please find someone else willing to buy you guys out and allow you to once again live true to your manifesto.

Id prefer having Blizzard buy you out then let NC____ and Nex___ continue to infect you with their cancer..

I didnt put the names fully since I wouldnt want another infraction now would I…

ranger pets suck…die to fast should have their own heal etc

why cant we just have a petless ranger type back again.

could just add raids and call them missions…boom people wont kitten about that since it does not have the word raid in it…like GW1

plasmacutter.2709:

juno.1840:

Kromica.2831:

Pinch.4273:

Malediktus.9250:

Pinch.4273:

GW2 will get DX11 when they have nothing better to work on. It’s low priority, I wouldn’t hold your breath.

Considering working on the engine is probably a seperate team I dont see how it can be a low priority for a game released in late 2012.

The engine team is working on culling right now. After that, they probably have a ton of performance optimizations to do, and who knows what else.

Adding DX11 at this point in time would not be cost effective. It’s fluff, and they have bigger fish to fry.

Since when is optimizing the game to run on hardware that has been around since 2009 fluff?

If your rig can run DX11 without issue, then it should be plenty fast for GW2. What’s your angle exactly?

Is the game too slow on your PC?
Is the game not pretty enough on your PC?
Will DX11 change your answers above?

My machine is higher than their “best appearance” specs, and tanks to 20 fps in large zerg combat (dragon events).

it bottlenecks on the cpu (4.6ghz i7 2600) and only utilizes 2/3 of the gtx 670 oc .

That’s a major optimization issue. I should not have to buy a xeon just to drive a video card that’s 2 generations old.

Even Nvidia said on their driver release notes a while back ( a few driver revisions back, you may still find it if you search their older driver release notes) that GW2 is a massive CPU hog. GW2 is a poorly optimized game that would have done so much better if they had done it right.

I want them to bring back the monument armor..that was my favorite…minus the short pants look…make the pants long lol

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Warrior_Monument_armor_m.jpg

Cause the Devs idea of a Legendary item is something totally opposite in acquisition and excitement in achieving then what you would expect of an item carrying the “legendary” title.

Look at me!! I have a legendary item!! Bought it off the TP!! That was most certianly a “legendary” adventure!

people complain saying they dont want a quest for the item..yet they prefer to buy it…so why not let the people who want it buy it or allow us to do a meaningful quest for it something thats fun and can take time..I dont care if the quest is split into many months..kinda like the wrathion legendary quest in WoW (dont flame cause I mentioned wow) Ill admi they are a grind to but at least disguised with other questing and raiding thus allowing us to grind the legendary quest while doing other stuff at the same time and once we reach a point we are treated to a fun and sinister story line at certain points in the quest.

just the best example I could think of here at work.

fix the kittening camera…

welcome to the great big world of MMO/any gaming forum.

It would be more fun if there was a quest involved to compliment the grind… something you can grind for while doing other stuff

People say its to easy to do things a certain way….but i find nothing more stupid/easy/NOT legendary then being able to buy most the legendary components off the trading post.

It certainly is “legendary” when you can buy it off the trading post isn’t it!!??

Any hints or rumors of the camera getting fixed in the patches coming up?

So it doesnt bounce in and out in and out in and out in and out….or just zoom in at the most inappropriate times? and so on…. with all the other threads that have been made on this since press beta in feb of 2012.

Been a year now Anet that people have mentioned this, what happened to the GW1 camera? that worked why not make it work here instead of the current choppy one with a mind of its own?

Rand.3186:

Angelus.1042:

^ this made me laugh

However, people have been making money off streaming games on twitch.tv for a long time now. Some casters make a living doing this. Some are breaking the 100K a year mark through add revenue and subscribers on their twitch channel (via twitch partnership).

Many people think they can jump on twitch and make a quick buck…not happening. Gotta build the fanbase, have entertaining and HIGH Quality cast you can actually see (720p preferably 1080p). Also spending money on a high quality broadcaster software like x-split and having a computer that can encode and capture high quality is also needed.

However…GW2 maybe has 200 – 300 average viewers out of the few hundred thousand people that use twitch…soooo you/or whoever are not gonna make anything streaming only GW2 lol. Most the big name casters quite streaming GW2 months ago and went back to their normal games like wow, LoL etc etc So to answer your question…I dont know why Anet would even bother closing those streaming sites and then again twitch TV wouldn’t do it unless they were copyrighting GW2 which we all know is a waste of time since its an online game.

You assume I am referring to myself. I’m not. I stream from time to time, yes, but mostly for a select group of friends.

The reason I made this thread is due to a discussion I had with someone else, and he/she brought up that he/she heard rumors of streams making revenue being closed down.

I decided to post here and ask, as that sounds a tad bizarre to me. Personally, I hope to see more streamers for Guild Wars 2. I also watch streams on break while I’m at work.

I edited my above post…

Also twitch would never shut down partnered streams making revenue (twitch gets some of that money to so they would be taking money out there own pockets) unless there were copyright issues or other Twitch TOS violations. Anet cant pull the plug n another sites service.
Also in order to make revenue off games on twitch you gotta be partnered….getting partnership status pulled and having your channel shut down is pretty serious and I highly doubt it would happen unless the caster is playing naughty videos or something side by side to GW2 …which may get more viewers imo…lol

to answer your question..its bizarre and sounds like garbage.

^ this made me laugh

However, people have been making money off streaming games on twitch.tv for a long time now. Some casters make a living doing this. Some are breaking the 100K a year mark through add revenue and subscribers on their twitch channel (via twitch partnership).

Many people think they can jump on twitch and make a quick buck…not happening. Gotta build the fanbase, have entertaining and HIGH Quality cast you can actually see (720p preferably 1080p). Also spending money on a high quality broadcaster software like x-split and having a computer that can encode and capture high quality is also needed.

However…GW2 maybe has 200 – 300 average viewers (just checked twitch GW has 216 (only jumps high when devs make a broadcast on GW2 channel…lol swtor has 246)) out of the few hundred thousand people that use twitch…soooo you/or whoever are not gonna make anything streaming only GW2 lol (since there is a requirement for even getting partnership to make money on revenue…http://www.twitch.tv/partner/signup). Most the big name casters quite streaming GW2 months ago (cause of nothing to do or sPVP is a joke) and went back to their normal games like wow, LoL, SC2, console etc etc So to answer your question…I dont know why Anet would even bother closing those streaming sites and then again twitch TV wouldnt do it unless they were copyrighting GW2 which we all know is a waste of time since its an online game.

TheDaiBish.9735:

Red Falcon.8257:

Zeldain.5710:

How can you call doing something a thousand times a “journey” and not a grind? There’s nothing different or unique about doing that vs. everything else in the game. There is nothing about it that makes it “legendary” by any stretch of the definition.

Then point me to all those MMOs where you feel legendary for having gotten an item.

He said nothing about it feeling Legendary. He said there’s nothing that makes the current Legendary weapons Legendary.

By definition, something that is Legendary usually has some sort or story attached in how they were made / gained:

• Excalibur was pulled out of the stone / given by the Lady in the Lake, depending on the story.
• Naegling was gained by Beowulf when he slayed Grendel and his mother.
• Longinus was supposedly the spear that pierced Christ’s side.
• Caladbolg was supposedly able to cleave hills and left a rainbow trail.

And then we got fictional weapons:

• The Elder Wand was supposedly crafted by Death.
• Vorpal Sword, which was use to slay the Jabberwocky
• Narsil, which cut the One Ring from Sauron’s finger.

As it stands in game, the level 6 accessory Pyre Fierceshot’s Arrow has more history than the current Legendary weapon (save for maybe The Flameseeker Prophecies shield).

The majority of people aren’t asking to make it easier. We’re asking that they actually have a story, and that it isn’t so dependant on gold and RNG.

This^

I never complained to make it easier…

I want a reason to aspire to get it other then farming a dungeon or buying it straight off the AH.

Theres nothing legendary in that.

nethykins.7986:

Wasn’t aware that optional = Boring.

Well…this is a game where the only endgame is doing “Optional” stuff.

RoRo.8270:

Right so you admit it’s optional then complain?

true and not true…yeh I know its optional…I complain because I see the word legendary…I know not many people will have one..I never will cause I refuses the grind…

However…my biggest annoyance is that for such cool items they chose the lowest, boring form of grinding. There is no fun story attached, no epic quest….no special boss fights nothing… maybe Im just a quest driven “need a purpose” kind of person and not a brain dead kitten grind for hours for months person.

They should rename them to something else and not legendary….unrelated I know but even in books or movies a persons quest for a legendary item is usually followed by a legendary quest to get that item…if that makes sense.