Guild Wars 2

lonewolf.2601:

So if my grandmather loses to a backstab thief then posts a screenshot here that she lost because she has one hand only so she can’t play her class that well concludes that thieves need to be nerfed?

You were roaming alone in WvW and now you are crying because you lost to a burst dps class and you don’t even provide info about the fight(everything matters, gear skill HP left on opponent, debuffs everything). If any of you kids out there want to prove that thieves are OP go make a video showing you in WvW fighting against a glass canon thief and let the others judge if it’s an overpowered class or not.

Also warriors got Immobilize abilities so they can land their burst combo quite easy but I suppose you don’t know that.

Can’t you read?
I told you my toughness.
My HP.
His attack sequence.
How long it took.
And his finnishers.

I also told you i had no time to react.

Im not here QQing, i didnt start this thread. Im adding to a post (one of hundreds) about an issue that needs to be resolved.
There are no QQ threads about warriors HB, because you can learn how to make it miss.
There are no threads about other classes burst specs because they can be countered.

Thieves cannot be countered in one or two specs when they are properly geared and specced. That is why there are QQ threads.
I have an 80 Thief myself, roll a lvl 1 on my server and ill bring him to show you. I have never played PW speck or D/D Backstab spec, i find it far too boring. But for those that like to kill in a couple of seconds using the exact carbon copy of skills regardless of the class they are facing or wether the class is bunker spec or glass cannon then thief is the only class that offers this.

Also, regarding ur grandmother … have you even read any of the posts with screenshots? They show steal>c&d>backstab>heartseeker spam.
Now go back on your thief, go to the golems and do that attack and tell me how long it takes you.
Now stop posting moronic crap

lonewolf.2601:

What? You are probably talking BS right there. If you get down so quick on your toughness mesmer how do you comment me losing to mesmers even though I am sure the ones I fought didn’t have toughness build since they dealt a lot of damage on me.

Also where did this happen? cause if it was on WvW and you had like full stacks of vulnerability then it would be your fault. I can start saying things like “a warrior killed me in 2 sec” and stuff without providing any info, too.

I am pretty sure a backstab thief can’t beat a good mesmer, and I base that on my fights like on every post of mine.

Good or not, doesn’t make a difference. I start the fight with 4k HP regardless of how good i am because HE initiates the fight kitten Thats what stealth classes do.
I had zero stacks of anything on me, i was roaming and so was he.

As for not believing me, thats cool. Don’t believe the other 1000 posts providing screenshots either, more fool you.

And the only person getting caught by a warrior is a guy brand new to the game. Nobody gets caught by 100 Blades unless they are drunk or afk or both.
All other burst has a hard counter, burst from stealth does not however, and that is why it is wrong.

Kuroin.1703:

ArcticRed.3068:

lol so much BS spoken here, people trying to defend the backstab Thiefs burst lol.
I have a Mesmer with 1.8k toughness, i can kill thieves in a prolonged fight if i can stop them from running.
Glass cannon thieves still kill me in seconds.

Yesterday i was hit for 14k with steal>c&d>BS and then killed with 2 heartseekers for 3k each, i didn’t see this Thief at and time during the fights as he didn’t even render till he was stomping me. The Thief that did this to me beat me 4 times that day without me being able to fight back.

I have given up all my burst for added survivability, but i still only last 4-5 seconds to this type of thief… is this fair?
I know some of you blind fanboois will say dodge the steal… lmao, you can’t dodge what you cant see coming.
Or CC him … lmao, you can’t CC while dead.

The simple facts are, if i am willing to give up my dps for toughness then the thief should have to adapt his tactics to kill me and go for a condition build. The simple fact that a Thief using BS build can take down any target using the exact same combo’s is absolute nonsense. The only difference between me with 1.8k toughness, and me specced with 900 toughness in Glass cannon spec is 2-3 more seconds of life if a BS Thief decides to attack me from stealth.

So the issue is that you can’t see him, well that is not the thiefs fault but rather a issue that Anet is trying to fix. Should thieves be nerfed because there is issues with the gameplay in general? What will happen once the issue is solved then, well it will be left where it’s currently at.
How much armor do you have?

Did you even read what i said?
I was already 14k down before i would have been able to see him with zero rendering issues. So sitting on 18k HP that leaves me with a 4k pool to work with.
You with me so far? good, stay alert because now it gets interesting.

Because i gave up my burst for this toughness, even if the thief stood still and didnt attack me back it would take me 30sec to wear him down. But i don’t have that luxury, because he can spam 2 hearseekers in the time it takes me to cast one spell to destroy the last of my health pool.

I dont have a problem with any other thief spec, if im winning they simply dissapear… im fine with that. If a glass cannon warrior goes for me he better pray his charge > HB lands or ill wear him down.
There is a hard counter to every skill or spec in this game APART from BS thieves.

Edit: how much armor do i have? Well im a light armor wearer, there is no way of upping armor to my knowledge so what does that matter?

lol so much BS spoken here, people trying to defend the backstab Thiefs burst lol.
I have a Mesmer with 1.8k toughness, i can kill thieves in a prolonged fight if i can stop them from running.
Glass cannon thieves still kill me in seconds.

Yesterday i was hit for 14k with steal>c&d>BS and then killed with 2 heartseekers for 3k each, i didn’t see this Thief at and time during the fights as he didn’t even render till he was stomping me. The Thief that did this to me beat me 4 times that day without me being able to fight back.

I have given up all my burst for added survivability, but i still only last 4-5 seconds to this type of thief… is this fair?
I know some of you blind fanboois will say dodge the steal… lmao, you can’t dodge what you cant see coming.
Or CC him … lmao, you can’t CC while dead.

The simple facts are, if i am willing to give up my dps for toughness then the thief should have to adapt his tactics to kill me and go for a condition build. The simple fact that a Thief using BS build can take down any target using the exact same combo’s is absolute nonsense. The only difference between me with 1.8k toughness, and me specced with 900 toughness in Glass cannon spec is 2-3 more seconds of life if a BS Thief decides to attack me from stealth.

Knote.2904:

ArcticRed.3068:

Knote.2904:

Ele is definately a better roamer with the mobility.

So if you could swap your Necro for an Ele… same lvl and same gear right now!! You would?

Considering Ele was my 2nd choice profession I wouldn’t be against it. They’re both kind of lacking overall though. Necro is a little more of my playstyle.

Doesn’t change the fact that Ele is a better roamer in WvW lol, that’s all I said.

Hey im not having a go, i respect that. Thanks for the info.

I don’t wanna go to lvl80 and ditch another toon. I want something i can enjoy alongside my Mesmer.
TY.

Edit: I think ill try Ele then…. not happy though, i kind of enjoyed Necro.

Knote.2904:

Ele is definately a better roamer with the mobility.

So if you could swap your Necro for an Ele… same lvl and same gear right now!! You would?

if you had the choice between Necro and Ele, which way would you go for WvW, im being serious… a seriouse question, what would you do knowing all you know now.

I seriously want a second toon in WvW to complement my mesmer, and im tired of thief.

Humanogrowth.8059:

Necros are done

And violets are blue.

Ill own your face

On any class i choose

Sound advice Lettuce
There are (believe it or not) also doubters on the Mesmer side who run a mile when they see a thief, i was one of them untill i grew into the class and found that i could win 90% of the fights that didn’t end in the thief running away, by having the right build and going toughness heavy.

The thing is that i always kind of knew that the Mesmer was a realy good 1v1v2v3 class, its one of the reasons i picked it, because that is my playstyle.
So with Necro, im just asking if they can solo / small group roam effectively, or am i going to regret the wasted time next week lol?

Hey everyone.

I live to PvP, mainly WvW in this game.
My main was Thief and i had an awesome time on him, but im not gonna go OTT here and get all the other thieves on my back so ill just say it was hardly a challenge spamming the same 2 buttons. So i moved on and now have a lvl80 warrior i use as my AoE cash cow and a lvl80 Mesmer who is my new PvP main.

Im loving the Mesmer, you realy have to think to be effective (i play as a roamer in WvW).
Anyway, back on topic. I started a Necro to use as a crafter, i have never ever crafted before but have decided to give it a go. While i was out messing around and farming mats (lvl10 atm) i realised im actualy becoming quite fond of the class.

My question is this, i like to play as a roamer. I know on my Mesmer i have never faced a Necro i couldn’t beat and the only other classes that realy roam are thieves. So…. im looking at equaly skilled players here, can a Necro beat a Thief? I know i could beat less skilled Mesmers, but could i beat a same skilled thief?

Im asking this because i don’t want to fall in love with the class and then find that i have to adopt an alien playstyle in WvW. I like to run solo or in small groups and take supply depots and kill whoever crosses my path.
Is the Necro viable for this?

Noted…

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RoRo.8270:

Morrigan.2809:

I use sigil of corruption on my staff. I have a condition heavy build and I find that my staff does more damage that my GS atm.

Do share your gear/build interested how your condition build outputs more dmg than a gs build

What do you expect to happen?
He says he has a condition build, so staff will output more damage
.
Edit: He did not say that a condition build outputs more damage than a GS DD build

I enjoyed it
The editing wasn’t great but the content was, realy nice gameplay.

I wish i could play with the staff, i hate being one of the thousand other GS Mesmers… but GS is where i get all my kills and suits my playstyle.

I wouldn’t worry about drawing heat too much mate.
Its easy to hate, its easy to criticise and its easy to ridicule someone.

Putting yourself out there is way harder, and offering proof of what you are saying is harder.

@ Osticat.
I watched your videos and love them, i ALWAYS die to thieves but can beat all the others 80% of the time.
Untill tonight
I just had 4 fights almost straight in a row against thieves and won every one of them lol.

My weapons are GS then S/P
My build is 0/30/15/20/5

I take mostly the healing and mantra traits (i can give a link to the exact build if anyone wants it)
Im in Cleric armor and knights jewelry.

I watched Osicat’s vids and tried to recreate what he was doing but i just couldnt. I either died in seconds, or i managed to drag the fight out for a while but still died without getting the thief below 50%.
I realised that my reactions wheren’t fast enough and the rendering issues didnt help either. So i went for a Power/toughness/healing build using mantras and it works a treat for me. I can stand in AoE and stomp a player without getting hurt too badly.

Thieves take me to 60% on their opener (glass cannon spec) then i hit decoy and heal to full and spank them.
A condition thief died without getting me below 80%, condition removal on heal and the state removing mantras are awesome. I waited till he hit me with 9 bleeds while fighting him then simply removed them.

My build isn’t anything like yours and my weapon choice and playstyle are different but you showed me that i didnt have to run every time i saw a thief.
Tnx Osticat

vysaek.8290:

As utilities i usually use a full mantra build with Mantra of Pain always being in use for constant healing.

Am i missing something on the tooltip?
I thought mantra of pain was a damage spell not healing.

I realy think Theguy was spot on.

All this whining is ridiculous, Thief needs fixing. There is zero doubt about that.
The burst needs reducing somehow. There is no excuse for winning a fight in the first 2 seconds period.

The thief needs more utility… sure.
But this must come at the expense of our ability to take someone from 100 to 0 in 4 seconds then escaping, it just isnt right for any class to be able to pull that off.
Talking about warriors HB? lmao
Point out anyone who has been hit by warriors HB’s since a week after release and ill show you the worst PvP’er on earth.

Best escapes of any class.
Stealth.
Highest burst of any class.
Most mobile of any class.
And on top of all this we have a graphical issue that helps us with another 1-2 seconds of stealth, namely the rendering issues.

No one class can be a jack of all trades and a master of all.

All i can say here is what i have found lately.

I had (in the bank atm) full beserker exotics and beserker jewelry, i could cut through mobs like butter.
However, i recently read the mantra thread on these forums and since i had loads of tokens and cash i bout a mix of “whispering” with tokens and “cleric” with cash.
It absolutely owns. My spike damage has gone down, but my DPS hasn’t suffered too much. The survivability it offers though is unbelievable.

If i was starting from scratch again with limited resourses then i would say go for the cleric gear, its an awesome all round set.

Rendering issues for sure, even though i play a thief myself it still sucks when another thief takes 50-80% of my health before i see him.

Just a question on “superior rune of the Dolyak”
the final part of the set bonus states “gain health regeneration”, does this mean during combat my health regens steadily 100% of the time?

Trotskyite.4682:

I have the same problem- just to check what ISP are you on. Mine is Virgin, saw someone else on virgin with the same problem in another thread.

Yeah im on Virgin aswell… i don’t see how that can be the problem though tbh, but im no expert.
Any official response yet in any posts you guys have seen?

Exactly the same problems here and also in the UK.

Since this patch i have not been able to play.
The update page shows “downloading 23kb (0kb/sec)”

Im just stuck on this page and cant go any further, any advice?

TY Hyena.

Any ideas about the main issue? Not being able to see people untill they are stood ontop of you?

PS: Can anyone tell me how i get the countdown to show on my individual skill tabs so i can see when they are coming off CD. I see most guys on youtube with this setup but i just cant find the option to enable it.

I always got issues in WvW when it was zerg vs zerg, where (for example) we are attacking a keep and an opposition zerg shows up and attacks and i dont even see them untill they are ontop of me. I put this down to 50-100 people being in the same place at the same time.
I wasn’t thrilled by this but i could handle it.

However, now im doing events in Orr it is happening again. Unless i stand within a few meters of the mobs spawn, i dont even see them untill they are all dead.
Is there any way of doing something with the settings to help with this issue.

Im not very computer savy so i don’t realy have a clue how things work between myself and the server. But i do know that on my end i have realy good gaming rig with latest graphics card, i7, and a 60mb broadband connection with an excelent ping… not sure if any of that makes a difference with this problem.

Any help would be appreciated.

I rolled a warrior as my first toon, closely followed by a thief.
I leveled them both together but shelved my warrior when they where both lvl55ish.

I got my Thief to lvl80 and use him solely for WvW, i then took a Mezmer to 80 and this was gonna be my farming toon… yeah i know i know lol, no AoE. I didn’t realise this till she was in her teens and i had tried all weapons, but by this time i was already enjoying the Mezmer class too much to stop so she is now also a WvW toon.

My problem is im always skint, i need a farming toon that will be stricktly PvE.
I figured i already had a lvl50 something warrior and they seem to do excelent at farming.
However i aint played warrior in forever so i came here looking for a good AoE build for leveling, the ones i keep finding are PvP builds and the PvE ones all seem to be a few weeks old.

Anyone have a link to a good guide or farming build for warriors?

Thanks for the feedback, i appreciate it.
Im gonna ask something unrelated now lol if anyone can answer.

I was looking at builds in google and came upon a site that recomends */focus as second weapon set. 4 for the obvious speed buff, but the guy also said that the focus is excelent for pulling defenders off walls…. I have never used a focus so i dont know what the skills do, so is it true?

EDIT: Typo

cant get the link to work for some reason :/
Anyway, my build is 20/20/0/0/30
Mental torment/sword training
blade training/deceptive evasion
compounding powder/presice wrack/illusionary persona

Weapons are GS
Sword/pistol

I play Thief as my main and love it, but i can’t play only one class so i was looking through what was on offer.
I have never ever played a “caster” mage archetype before, but the melee mages with big kitten swords in GW2 made me drool so i rolled a Mezmer a week ago.

Anyway i got her to 80 tonight and decided to go wvw for the first time on my Mez… my Thief lives there
My damage was nice but my survivability was terrible, one hit from most people was taking 30-50% of my health. Even the Ranger AoE was taking 1/3 of my health pool before i could dodge away.

Getting away from a 1vs1 or 1vs2 encounter was ok but any encounter with AoE was downing me in seconds.
This is my build with traits http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fgQQNAscRlwzKqHVTmGa9ICqHYn29dkU0apWJF82FC;T0Ag0CnoqxUjoGbNuak1ssYYxBjHGzPA
The armor and runes used is different to the link.
Im in full lvl78 Berserker exotics with power/prec/crit runes.
i have the rampager amulet but the rest of my trinkets are lvl70 blues
My health pool in WvW is 18.7k

Any advice?
Should i go for toughness or vitality as the main stat when i choose the rest of my jewelry, or would it be a waste of time because i have gone DPS with everything else?

Any and all help realy appreciated.
With my Thief i didn’t need advice, having always played melee i just seemed to know what i wanted and how to achieve it, but with the Mezmer im at a loss at which way to go next.

It still works for me.
I just spent the last hour under a keep wall killing people on <10% health

Godorn.2931:

The OP is myopic

Im myopic?

I said i never used the fotm specs because i could see the nerf coming,. Myopic means shortsighted m8.

Niim.9260:

While I agree about the amount of QQ, I cant help but read your post as:

Its ok, nothing I use got nerfed, you guys need to stop QQing.

Some people play specific builds to fit their play style, or that of their group, just because you do not play it, does not make it less valid, or their concerns less important than yours.

Macroing 3 buffs then steal + “inset move here” is a playstyle?
If it is then it deserves to be nerfed lol.

Im not complaining about people QQ’ing so much as the fact that they start thread after thread after thread on the SAME topic and bury all the other informative threads under their drivvel.

noodless.6438:

I’m tired of those so called “good players:” saying that everything is just fine,and how they never had a single problem with a character they role.Looks like cheap commercial,like :I’m the Wiz and nobody beats me" .They made this forum to see different opinions.They want to get feedback from all players.
Only thing that gets on my nerves is crying how this game is not like “other” MMO’s.
“Where is my mount”..“dual specs”….“flying mount”….I did not buy this game to play “other” with no subscription.

Im not saying im briliant my friend.

What i am saying is that in all my years of MMO experience i have learned to stay away from “fotm one shot builds”.

Am i better than these players?
99% of the time i am, because i have learned to play the class as a whole and use all the tools in my bag not just macroing 3 buffs into one key then hitting “backstab” or “pistolwhip” to chalk up a win.

Would these guys be better than me if they played different specs that had a higher skill threshhold?
Quite possibly yes.

@Ravnodaus.5130
“I had to point out the hypocrisy of the OP though.”

Sure i understand that, i didn’t take it to heart. Im just getting a bit kitten off with the whinging. I come to the forums to get ideas or to learn by others mistakes… i don’t mind the odd “ kitten !!” thread but 5-6-7 threads all on the same thing? and all unfounded tbh!

Enough of the amateur dramatics now please.

Coming to these boards recently is a kittening nightmare, its just QQQQQQQQQQ.
I play a thief main and have never ever had a problem in PvE or in PvP 1v1v2 or zerg vs zerg. I have never played using signet for burst, i have never used the pistol whip build and i have never used a backstab build either.

Anyone with an ounce of sense or any MMO experience knows that one shot skills ALWAYS get nerfed shortly after release… any spec that can kill in a global or two will get hit out the park with the nerf bat.

Anyone that QQ’s because they can only win fights that last less than 4 seconds need to smash their heads of their desks and give up on PvP untill they L2P

I also play WvW for the sheer fun of it.

And i for one would like to comend Anet for their stance on PvP progression. Sure there are issues but i have every faith that these will be addressed.
But its refreshing to actualy play an MMO and PvP where gear isnt the overriding factor.

When i played RIFT i actively dueled guys in my guild, there where some players that couldnt take me below 80% when we where in the same gear. I come back from work 2 weeks later (i work on an oil rig) and the same guys now have PvP gear and beat me every fight…. that is BS when gear > skill.

Once a few issues have been sorted out in this game im sure it will shine through for all the cassual / hardcore players. The guys that scream for progression in PvP are the unemplyed who sit 12-16 hrs infront of their PC to get rank 8 purples and then camp areas and grief ppl higher skill caps than them… when everyone is rank 8 then they scream on the forums for a new rank 12 with new weapons etc so they get another 2 months of invincibility lol.

A crutch is a crutch whether its made of gold or kitten

Thanks for the advise posted here guys.

TheUnNamedHero.4167:

Stop blowing your cash on gear for one. Impulse buying is the quickest way to go broke in both life and in game. Learn the economics of supply and demand and play the TH. There’s always good money to be made there.

As for the above…. whut?
I blew my cash on lvl80 weapons that i need to survive in lvl80 areas… it was either buy 3 weapons and kill fast before i die, or buy all the armor and jewelry so that i can stay alive while killing slower.
Buying the weapons works out way way cheaper….

This isn’t a what now thread lol

But i just got to lvl 80 and only have like 6g in my pocket so i bought a pair of descent daggers and a new short bow, that left me with 1g.
My question is …. how the heck do i make money in this game
Im still wearing a mixture of lvl55-75 armor pieces and wanted to make cash to kit myself out.

Im a casual player atm, thats why it took me so long to ding 80. However im gonna be playing alot more soon so do you guys recomend crafting? farming?
Im not asking for a miracle “here is my secret now go make 100g in 1 day”, It just seems to be so hard to make gold in this game.

Any and all help appreciated.