Guild Wars 2

Somebody please recruit this guy, he’s a god. ’Nuff said.

YEAH LET’S GO TO MID GUYS GREAT IDEA

Hey all,

Team Akatsuki, the experimental all-thief team, is looking for new recruits again! Two of the leaders (myself included) have been gone on vacation for a while, but that’s no longer the case. so, we’re looking for thieves who want to apply to team. If you’re looking to apply, you can mail me in-game, or send me a PM here on the forums. However, the easiest way for me to evaluate applicants (as I have a bad memory with these things) is for you guys to simply whisper me in-game if you want to try out, while I’m playing.

Also, if you’re an EU player, just message Geiir.7603, asking to apply.

Thanks guys!

~Arctu

Mighty: I just realized that since there are people like Geiir applying, and, of course, I still have interest in the guild myself (never got an invi though :c), and that, furthermore, Team Akatsuki is an all-thief team that both Geiir and I are on, I figured that we could basically make Akatsuki members teachers for this guild. That way, we’re pairing students with an established team that knows practically everything thief, and, furthermore, we have a clearer post-“academic” route for applicants to go through, if they wish.

Hey all,

I know a lot of people wanted to see me play, so I created a twitch stream. You can follow me at http://www.twitch.tv/arctu_s_yarba.

Now to continue figuring out this nifty little thing…

Vol.5241:

Jayw.1045:

Well what if there was a limit on the amount of items a player could own. For example you couldn’t own more than 1000 iron or 100 iron ingots at the same time. you couldn’t own more than 10 of the same dye. Therefore if you had 10 X dye on market you could not store 1 x dye in your inventory. There would still be work around around this I could think of a few loop holes right now, but it would be a lot of hassle for what it was worth.

Just limit what people can have. That would prevent a monopoly right there. I’m sure a lot of people hate this idea already cause they own like 20,000 iron ore something. =P well I hate the fact you have a kittened amount of gold and I’m stuck with 30 silver so chew on that.

Ignoring the difficulties programming such a feature would provde, and the obvious loopholes that people could use to get around it…

this is not a monopoly. Nothing in this game is a monopoly.

It is at best a monopsony if a single player buys out all of the dyes but doesn’t sell them. If he/she chooses to sell them, then that player essentially gets monopoly status as there are no competitors in the market for that player, and the difficulty to enter the market (and then how quickly a player leaves the market) makes any barriers to entry fairly high for the given market. Furthermore, as all higher sell offers become practically irrelevant, the monopolist basically gets to choose the price that he or she wants to sell at. All of these things are characteristics that we’ve seen in this market, which is why I’m arguing that it was a monopoly, albeit not a very long-lasting one, but it still had negative effects on the market.

Ashadow.6874:

[THERE IS NO MONOPOLY: Read On]

All the White dyes suddenly just spiked in price. (Celestial is sitting at 24g currently, White at 17g and Icing at 2.8g currently.)

Before the Celestial Gloves were released, the prices of these dyes were: 16g, 8g, and 1g.

Suddenly everyone who did not have Celestial, White or Icing dyes before the 3,000 AP Reward Chest, realized they needed a color to match their new gloves and panicked.

Thus, the price of the dye colors skyrocketed, and is now slowly crashing again.

That doesn’t make sense. An entire group of people don’t quadruple the price of sell listings with absolutely no effect on buy listings only to drag down the price just as quickly as it went up, unless, of course, every single one of those people was an irrational, pea-brained idiot.

Jabberwock.9014:

There can’t be a monopoly on (non FF) dyes since they drop constantly from unid dyes. If this is their new market price (which I doubt) then it is what it is. Nobody can control this market for more than a day or two, if that.

But the drop rate is insignificant- the dye sells and disappears quickly. It’s one of the more uncommon rare dyes. If the dyes don’t drop quickly enough, then people can’t undercut one another in the market to the point where the buy and sell listings are significantly lower.

Esplen.3940:

And how, pray tell, do you suggest that Anet prevents monopolies from occuring?

There are a variety of methods. Controlling the amount of the market a single person can buy up. Streaming in resources when the difference between the buy listing and sell listing exceeds a certain threshold. There are just a ton of ways, and I’m sure that you can produce many of them if you use at least the tiniest fraction of your imagination.

kittennit.7648:

Arganthium.5638:

Authority.6145:

Arganthium.5638:

What an absolutely well-made argument, truly. The evidence provided here was just extraordinary. The thesis, legendary. Truly, a masterpiece that represents the epitome of modern debate.

Your language was clear and concise. You used a variety of extremely powerful literary devices to influence the readers’ thoughts on the topic at hand (going from a singular noun to a verb describing a plurality? Brilliant!). The argument was short yet to the point.

You, sir, will have monuments built in your honor. Your story shall be told to generations of children, aspiring just to be like you, for centuries. You will become a god among mortal men, and shall be known as one of the, if not the greatest human being to have ever lived.

Although I was laughing my kitten off reading your reply, I hope we are on the same length with the OP when it comes to the Immortal S/D build.

I’m in a bit of a state of limbo when it comes to S/D. See, if we’re talking about Jumper’s build, I would not at all say that S/D is OP. In fact, I think that Jumper’s build is very easily counterable, and I have been able to counter it very easily myself (albeit with my own S/D build :P). That being said, I am a bit… On-edge with my own build possibly being OP, actually. Here it is: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAsYVlYm6OncS6E/5Eh3DyO2wqVgmdP4qV1KA-TsAA1CnIKSVkrITRyisFNKYVwECA

Undoubtedly, somebody’s bound to complain that “lol u don’t run 30 cs, ur a lozer and teh bild suckz”. However, I feel that every trait in this build is extremely useful and is used, and that this build is near unkillable. I designed it specifically myself, building on it using both mathematics as well as some strategy I’ve learned with my hobby of playing chess. It also does some surprisingly high damage, especially with boonsteal and TotC. Now, because Steal’s CD has been reduced by 10 seconds, I get to use Steal so often that I usually have fury for at least have of the total battle, and more if I can boonsteal it.

So I dunno. I’ve countered S/D easily before, but whether that’s because I was also running S/D, the S/D meta sucks, or the players suck is the real question to me. I think it might be a combination of all three.

I’ve been running the same build for quite some time now in hotjoin and tournaments but i use assassins reward instead of the 2 ini per 10 seconds.

It’s my fav build so far by a long shot, it’s very strong in my opinion because the boon steal is riddicolous. 4 boons (2 from steal, 2 from larc strike if you chain larc into steal) stolen every 20 seconds while granting 6 to ur party is really strong, not to mention all the other boons you steal from larc strike when steal is on cooldown. Every trait in that build synergizes with each other very good, it’s overall a very strong build. But is it op? I’m not so sure, it’s strong yes but with the current condi meta it melts quite fast when it gets pressured hard by conditions because it has almost no condi removal outside of lyssa runs.

PS: i hate you for telling people this build it’s superior to jumpers in every way possible in my opinion (well maybe not in terms of raw damage because you lack 30 in CS but the damage is still really decent)… but dont use it people pls dont ^^

Edit: Oh i just realized i use a few different traits then you, like mentioned earlier i run Assassins reward as second major in acro and i also run the Daze on steal + 20% CD reduction on steal and of course 3 ini swap + S/D / S/D. I also run different utilites.

Oh, you may not have seen, but I run both QRecov and AR. They’re both great, and, IMO, superior to XII. It’s also true that the build can fall pretty quickly to condis. People ask me why I use 2 so often. It’s because I’m condi cleansing as much as possible. A single cripple, chill, or weakness could completely throw this build off balance. But yeah, the traits/utilities might be different, but the overall the trait point distribution is super strong, there are so many good options, and lots of options that, while not the best, IMO, are still perfectly acceptable options.

But don’t tell people about how good the build is! :P

I was working within my regular flipping markets a few minutes ago when I noticed the difference between the price on Icing Dye and the buy orders for it. As usual, the buy orders were somewhere around 1g for a dye, however the sell listings were a whoppingg 4g 26s (if you’ve ever observed the market for this dye, I can guarantee you that this is considered “whopping”). Looking at the GW2Spidy, I noticed that the price had even hit 4g 95s 4 hours beforehand, although it has since dropped steeply by about 70s. Still, I’m confused as to how this happened. Most likely, somebody bought out the lower-priced orders on the dyes (as there are only 10 dyes under 5g, and 30 dyes total on the market apparently) and then dramatically increased the price on them, given that that person essentially had a monopoly on the dyes.

Assuming this is the case- which, I think, it must be- I think ANet needs to be able to ensure that nobody owns such a monopoly on dyes in the market. I think that the economists here already know about the economic disadvantages to having a monopoly in place in this game, like this.

Authority.6145:

Arganthium.5638:

What an absolutely well-made argument, truly. The evidence provided here was just extraordinary. The thesis, legendary. Truly, a masterpiece that represents the epitome of modern debate.

Your language was clear and concise. You used a variety of extremely powerful literary devices to influence the readers’ thoughts on the topic at hand (going from a singular noun to a verb describing a plurality? Brilliant!). The argument was short yet to the point.

You, sir, will have monuments built in your honor. Your story shall be told to generations of children, aspiring just to be like you, for centuries. You will become a god among mortal men, and shall be known as one of the, if not the greatest human being to have ever lived.

Although I was laughing my kitten off reading your reply, I hope we are on the same length with the OP when it comes to the Immortal S/D build.

I’m in a bit of a state of limbo when it comes to S/D. See, if we’re talking about Jumper’s build, I would not at all say that S/D is OP. In fact, I think that Jumper’s build is very easily counterable, and I have been able to counter it very easily myself (albeit with my own S/D build :P). That being said, I am a bit… On-edge with my own build possibly being OP, actually. Here it is: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAsYVlYm6OncS6E/5Eh3DyO2wqVgmdP4qV1KA-TsAA1CnIKSVkrITRyisFNKYVwECA

Undoubtedly, somebody’s bound to complain that “lol u don’t run 30 cs, ur a lozer and teh bild suckz”. However, I feel that every trait in this build is extremely useful and is used, and that this build is near unkillable. I designed it specifically myself, building on it using both mathematics as well as some strategy I’ve learned with my hobby of playing chess. It also does some surprisingly high damage, especially with boonsteal and TotC. Now, because Steal’s CD has been reduced by 10 seconds, I get to use Steal so often that I usually have fury for at least have of the total battle, and more if I can boonsteal it.

So I dunno. I’ve countered S/D easily before, but whether that’s because I was also running S/D, the S/D meta sucks, or the players suck is the real question to me. I think it might be a combination of all three.

What an absolutely well-made argument, truly. The evidence provided here was just extraordinary. The thesis, legendary. Truly, a masterpiece that represents the epitome of modern debate.

Your language was clear and concise. You used a variety of extremely powerful literary devices to influence the readers’ thoughts on the topic at hand (going from a singular noun to a verb describing a plurality? Brilliant!). The argument was short yet to the point.

You, sir, will have monuments built in your honor. Your story shall be told to generations of children, aspiring just to be like you, for centuries. You will become a god among mortal men, and shall be known as one of the, if not the greatest human being to have ever lived.

jportell.2197:

can errbody stop fighting about the legal issues or whether or not ANET has their heads in their rears? We are finally having a legitimate sponsored ESports full on tournament… no matter how you slice it or try to analyze it this is a good thing and will grow the community.

I like your enthusiasm, but some of the restrictions are going to keep a large group of players out of the tournament, myself included. It annoys me. I’m sure there’s some legal workaround for, say, the age restrictions, for example.

ahuba.6430:

The age restriction is in every important cash tournament, even lcs. maybe, just maybe, theres a very good reason for it. i mean, how ethical is having 14/15 year olds sponsored by greedy companies fighting for 5k dollars?

And what if something happens to an underaged player? who’s responsible? anet is bringing foreign players in, and they need to know that those players will take care and be responsible for themselves.

It may surprise you, but “minor” does not imply “idiot”.

Furthermore, parents. ’Nuff said.

Sol.4310:

let’s get over it, there are many top teams that won’t be at PAX, so i say we hold a in-house tourney. Lets hope we can get this rolling, rather sick hearing EU “think” there the best cause our NA team failed hard.

I agree.

Psychogene.6780:

The answer is quite clear: ANet hates me. looks like it’ll be no money for me then.

I’m sorry, but if the reason for the ban on minors is the “legal restrictions”… To me, that’s just complete and utter crap. I’ve participated in a wide variety of such events before, be it for video games, card games- whatever, and nothing of this sort ever existed. It’s a complete outrage. I feel that this isn’t so much a ban based on legal issues as it is just a ban based on personal biases. If I/my family have to pay ourselves, so be it. But I’m absolutely infuriated that this is what I get for any contributions to the community that I’ve made. Hell, if this is gonna be the case, I can just email all of y’all my spreadsheets with all of the mathematical information that I’ve deduced from hours and hours of mulling over various problems. I guess it’s worth nothing to me now, given that I can’t do crap with it.

This is absolutely insane. I am horribly disappointed with ANet on this ruling.

Sounds like your having a rant ……. Does this magical spreadsheet solve world hunger? If you really wanted to share it to benefit people, you would have already.

Anyway, maybe all hope is not lost and you can discuss with Anet (and other minors too) about participating in these over 18+ tournaments as long as you have a legal guardian that can travel with you and accept the prize money on your behalf. Other then that, I think the rules are fair (have you ever participated in a tournament with a money prize that you had to travel as a minor?)

I’m angry, and, I think, rightfully so.

Of course, no it doesn’t solve world hunger; rather, it measures the marginal benefits of an additional point of some given stat or another. Either way, I’m not sure why you decided to suddenly bring up world hunger, but hey, not that it really matters. Also, I never wanted to share it to benefit people, but given that it looks less and less likely that I’ll be able to actually use what I’ve developed to do something useful, I’m very much considering just giving it away.

Sure, I might consider discussing this with ANet, but I doubt that I can change anything.

Team Akatsuki still recruiting… (sighs)

Follidus.8027:

I don’t understand why people that are under the age of 18 can’t play. There has to be something we can do about this.

- Why can’t we just forfeit that persons prize?
- Why can’t we pay our own way for that one person by booking a flight and a hotel in the area?
- Why can’t we have their parent/legal guardian sign something? If you’re worried about something happening, then why not have a release that says you’re not responsible for them?

I just don’t understand. So many teams now have to essentially ditch players that they’ve played with, and built synergy with. There’s been plenty of LANs that have had cash prizes where people under the age of 18 have been able to not just play, but win things. There needs to be an explanation for this.

The same goes for players not in Canada, USA, Mexico, and the EU. Good teams now have to reorganize for qualifiers that are 2 weeks away.

The answer is quite clear: ANet hates me. looks like it’ll be no money for me then.

I’m sorry, but if the reason for the ban on minors is the “legal restrictions”… To me, that’s just complete and utter crap. I’ve participated in a wide variety of such events before, be it for video games, card games- whatever, and nothing of this sort ever existed. It’s a complete outrage. I feel that this isn’t so much a ban based on legal issues as it is just a ban based on personal biases. If I/my family have to pay ourselves, so be it. But I’m absolutely infuriated that this is what I get for any contributions to the community that I’ve made. Hell, if this is gonna be the case, I can just email all of y’all my spreadsheets with all of the mathematical information that I’ve deduced from hours and hours of mulling over various problems. I guess it’s worth nothing to me now, given that I can’t do crap with it.

This is absolutely insane. I am horribly disappointed with ANet on this ruling.

Hey guys,

I’m updating this guide so that, rather than endlessly shoot off tons of different builds, it better represents legitimate builds that are actually half-decent for play, or, at least, are interpreted that way. Therefore, if you know of any builds that are very popular in the meta right now, if you could post them, that’d be great, thanks.

I may have a team for your thief… And possibly the necro in the future as well.

I actually want to see this getting bumped up. We were promised mobility, and instead we’ve gotten some good stuff that east necessary and some bad stuff that was really unnecessary.

…?

I’m really disappointed myself (coming from both PvP and WvW backgrounds) in the change. It’s illogical, and completely unnecessary.

Excalibur.9748:

i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??

LOL. Yeah, what a shame.

All of my utilities were already stun breakers.

xmtrcv.5236:

source:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Game-Update-Notes-June-25th-2013

Thief:

• Lotus Strike: decent buff. Nothing particularly special.
• Shadow Trap: got some much needed buffs, thank goodness..
• Death Blossom: does it still look cool?
• Body Shot: grats on not fixing the problem.
• Pistol Whip: what do we want? Damage buff! When do we want it? Now!
• Scorpion Wire: now a decent skill; will try.
• Signet of Malice: thank goodness
• Steal: SIIIICCCCCKKKKKKKK
• Cluster Bomb: wtf? Why? Now we have no 1200 range weapon skills…
• Larcenous Strike: fair.
• initiative cost from 5 to 7.
• Underwater stuff: whatever
• Deadly Strike: I don’t even remember what skill this is.
• Skale Venom: swapped one good condition for another one. Vulnerability still sucks.
• Dancing Dagger: meh. Decent, IMO.
• Shadow Return (Infiltrator Strike Toggle): fair.
• Withdraw: fair.

Acrobatics

• Assassin’s Retreat: still sucks.
• Pain Response: still sucks.
• Hard to Catch: still sucks.

Critical Strikes

• Furious Retaliation: meh.
• Signets of Power: eh.

Deadly Arts

• Corrosive Traps: Vuln still sucks.
• Sundering Strikes: (see above)
• Panic Strike: still sucks.
• Lotus Poison: owch.

Shadow Arts

• Last Refuge: lol
• Slowed Pulse: still sucks.
• Shadow Protector: w/e.

Trickery

• Merciful Ambush: still sucks.
• Long Reach: so sweet.
• Ricochet: pistol still sucks.
• Sleight of Hand: holy crap lol
• Instinctual Response: still sucks.
• Bountiful Theft: logical.

Yeah, I’m really excited to see some of the new builds that this patch will create. there are so many possibilities…

Unfortunately, I can’t do the tournament for ESL (you have no idea how much it hurts) , but PM me if you’re looking for build or strat advice (this goes to everyone). I may be able to assist you.

-Arctu

The Primary.6371:

You three (Arganthium, Jax and TheMightyAltroll) just helped provide useless biased comments that the player pelicankilla wasn’t required to know. I commend Arganthium and TheMightyAltroll for at least trying to get back onto point. Practically /facepalm at Jax’s attempt to continue to troll within this thread without any proper advice at all. I would say for everyone to not let this fall into a troll thread, but clearly the name of the thread is starting to warrant the wrong attention.

Four points of advice can be given to pelicankilla. The first is to post a new thread which actually took a serious approach to his question within a clear format. The second is to research the classes either by youtube or by any other means you like. Judge the play style which best suits you and go with it. The third is to create a character for every class and become a better player while doing so. This option would be lengthy for you but would be worth it in the end. The fourth option is to not just seek aid from one “teacher” but from multiples over time. Obviously gauging whether they are trust worthy and to disregarded any opinions they may have about the various classes that are clearly biased.

Well, everyone’s biased to some degree. The question is whether or not their beliefs are justified in spite of their biases.

I simply stated that Enmity is not trustworthy because he (I’ll just refer to him/her as “he” for the sake of simplicity) does not provide comments with any sort of credibility to back them. I found this out in another thread, one that I had made and he had hoped, perhaps, to derail. The fact of the matter is, if you’re going to make a claim (ie “Mes/thief/guard are OP”), then you need to have evidence to back it up. Enmity, across all threads, has not once provided evidence to back his claims, so I turn to see if Enmity has any sort of credibility behind his name, which would give at least some reason to believe him. Yet, across all threads, I have found absolutely nothing that supports his being a credible source. In fact, if anything, his contradictions have shown quite the opposite. At least I have developed the spreadsheets and equations to help understand the game. At least I have worked on a now-stickied thread to help beginners find the build that suits them best in the thief forum. At least I am one of the primary founders of a professional all-thief team. Enmity has nothing to his name, and that’s why his claims are pointless. And I’d prefer to see the OP get a truthful answer.

So people want this nerfed along with thief’s LS.

Alright then.

^ well…

Are you serious?

You know, I love how people act like thieves just drop out of the sky.

“OMG he ambushed me, I never saw him coming! It must be that perma stealth!”

Maybe it’s just me, but in WvW, or, to some extent, sPvP, unless you’re 1. In a defended building 2. Running in a Zerg (does not equal fighting with one), or 3. So insanely bunkered that you will not take any damage at all, you need to be paranoid. Simple as that. You need to be watching the terraces for movement, and be ready to fight at any second, because that’s the difference between life and death.

As a matter of fact, you should run a GC thief in WvW. If you run into any profession unprepared and not under one of the above three categories, you’re dead. On the other hand, it allows you to get inside of the mind of the stalker.

Good luck, man.

Deified.7520:

Here is the picture, people are apparently saying that “it is impossible and I’m lieing”.

Could you tell me how much toughness/what prof you are running? Then I can run the calculations for you.

I find it hilarious that people are whined over this in the sPvP forum.

Now, you make the argument that in GW1, decisions were based on visual information from the enemy, and then you attempt to apply this to GW2 as well. Why? Is the only way to know what your enemy is doing is to be able to see them?

Let’s look from the thief’s perspective. If he/she is low on health, what can the thief do but run, or heal? Given that that’s what you think will happen, why can’t you lay down poison AoE to mitigate the heal? Or, if you use your autoattack as a sort of detector for stealthed thieves, then why can’t you interrupt the person from stealth, given that you know the thief’s location? You could use ele’s dagger L #5 attack, one of the warrior physical utilities, headshot from thief, SB 5 on ranger… Whatever. Everything that applies to regular combat applies to stealth, with the only difference being that the thief exchanges the ability to attack with your ability to gather information purely visually from the thief. You can, however, still predict the thief’s next moves, and that gives you counterplay.

Really, in stealth, nothing’s changed.

Bump cuz he’s pro.

Bas.7406:

Craig.2403:

Just bringing this back to page 1 again. C’mon guys, let’s get signed up!

I think they are all scared ;0

Sorry Bas, I’d play, but I’m out-of-state without computer access right now. -_- hopefully we can fill in the team, though.

Gwalchgwn.1659:

Arganthium.5638:

Gwalchgwn.1659:

I’m also interested in signing up, but I might not have time. How does this all work?

Seren, this is the NA tournament.

Ah, i thought this was the last topic in EU .. :P

:P

Stealth.9324:

Arganthium.5638:

Zoose, perhaps…

I’ll see who I can get you.

Arganthium, how about me??? =_=!!!! I am not a bad Eles, a decent Eles at most and willing to help out on Eles prof. Kaane Moka is the name and if u are in NA, feel free to contact me. If I am free, I will help. Cheers.

Bahaha xD that’s true, sorry ’bout that.

Kaane actually plays a really good ele. Since I’m assuming he’s open, try hitting him up in-game. He can teach you a lot.

No problem.

/15charrs

Zoose, perhaps…

I’ll see who I can get you.

pelicankilla.4281:

im trying to learn engi/war/ele one of the 3

Hmm.

I’ll try to think of people I could have you contact.

Also, try out these 3 profs, and pick the one you like most. they’re all good, and it helps in narrowing down choices.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/lfteam/Team-Akatsuki-looking-for-experienced-thieves/first#post2164616

Tell me if you’re interested, otherwise, it’s all good. It’s an experiment, anyways. :P

To all: Kinjax is an excellent thief, and generally a good guy. A great choice for any team looking for a thief.

Anyhow, what prof do you want to learn?

Enmity.3428:

All you need to do is roll a Mesmer, Guardian or Thief and you’ll dominate PvP.

*says the person who has literally zero credibility to anything he says

Narcarsis.5739:

This is amusing me.

-Caed.

Wot.

-Arctu

SharadSun.3089:

Arganthium.5638:

I should explain.

“Bad” is a relative term. He’s great compared to the majority of the community right now. He’s bad relative to what players can and should strive to be, and can achieve. I’m not a particularly good player, but I can theorycraft, and I can affirm that Jumper is making some fairly odd choices.

Relative to the meta, he’s great. Relative to what players will be like as he disappears from the scene and is replaced by more flexible players as the theory and competition within this game increases… If he wants to stick around, he’d better learn to adapt.

Doesn’t that hold true for everyone? =)

We learn and evolve with the meta. The D/D Burst Thief is totally obsolete right now. The S/P Hastewhip is ABYSMALLY obsolete. But months ago, they were meta.

Soon, S/D will join the ranks of D/P as viable-but-not-mandatory. And that’s a good trend to have.

Jumper hijacked the Unicorn build and made it dangerous, then jumped on D/P and made its relative brokenness public. Now he’s done the same with S/D.

I’m not singing his praises at all xD I know far better thieves. But you can’t say that he’s not using the build to its full potential, because that burst with the timing he’s introduced have won Team DM too many matches to ignore.

Perhaps.

Anyways, I’d argue that he’s using the build to its maximum efficiency, but he’s not using S/D to its maximum efficiency.

I should explain.

“Bad” is a relative term. He’s great compared to the majority of the community right now. He’s bad relative to what players can and should strive to be, and can achieve. I’m not a particularly good player, but I can theorycraft, and I can affirm that Jumper is making some fairly odd choices.

Relative to the meta, he’s great. Relative to what players will be like as he disappears from the scene and is replaced by more flexible players as the theory and competition within this game increases… If he wants to stick around, he’d better learn to adapt.

Arheundel.6451:

The sky is falling….
They have increased the ini cost of larcenous strike by 1…I mean 1 freaking ini point more omfg..I hope my grandma ( who of course play thief) will be able to cope with this horrible change -_-

Yes, why don’t we boost all of your cooldowns, too, given that thieves only have one CD pool? In fact, why don’t we take off insta-CDs from weapon swapping as well? Oh, and why don’t we screw over the majority of your weapon skills in the meantime, while making your good ones more expensive to use?