Guild Wars 2

Tuomir.1830:

The result of a simple google search:
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/42763-i-just-discovered-how-to-get-to-the-old-log-in-screen/

Sadly they disable it as part of the August 21, 2012 update.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Command_line_arguments#-useoldlauncher

Tuomir.1830:

I believe I’ve heard of a way to switch for that login screen to appear instead of logging in on the launcher, but unfortunately I never quite caught how exactly this was done.

Yea seems that it was possible to switch between login screens after BWE1 ended, you only had to add “-oldlauncher” on your command lines, I’m just curious if it would be too much trouble for developers to add this command again

D/D can be more frustrating than S/D, CnD takes a lot of practise, and like Maladon said shortbow its your friend!

Nice Job! but I feel like you have to move faster! I actually despair while watching your video lol, might be just my point of view thought :P

Oh and just ignore the common masses of thief/“pro” haters lol they are everywhere

joocheese.6314:

Art.9820:

now I’m 100% convinced that some SoR posters are blinded by their self-righteousness lol

Then either you completely misunderstand us or we are failing to accurately convey our gaming philosophy. We are obviously on opposite ends of the gaming spectrum.

Some will do anything to win, others have more of a philosophy which guides what they are willing and not willing to do to win; in some cases winning is not even the ultimate goal. It is not so much a matter of right or wrong, high or low, but of taste, gaming philosophy and style.

We are not better or holier, but just different than you. We care more about how we win than just just winning by any means necessary. Hopefully that explains who we are a bit better and clearer.

Cheers!

After reading some of your posts I see you generalize too much :P; you can call it philosophy if you want, but feeling better than others is where I go, just read last week topic or this one, I’m not insulting just pointing out that SOME SoR posters are blinded by their self-righteousness, and no I’m not talking about covenn don’t worry about that, I totally understand BG or JQ chest-thump but some SoR posters defend and chest-thump with a weird and fanciful fairplay argument taking it to a higher and personal level lol

now I’m 100% convinced that some SoR posters are blinded by their self-righteousness lol

I just find really hard to understand why people complain about this, culling is a different issue where thief benefits I totally agree on that, but saying that being able to kill X number of ppl and run away, at least to me… it’s nonsense, ppl who is not lvl80 shouldn’t be able to join WvW then…. I’m pretty sure a lot here have killed more than 5 ppl 80^ w/o a problem

Xsorus.2507:

Why is it i keep seeing the same people talking about balancing the game around Solo Roamers or 1v1….

When it’s not the issue.

The ability to survive against LARGE NUMBERS as a solo class and escape 99% of the time is the issue.

Short of the Elementalist (which can still be killed easily) No other class comes close to the Thief in this regard…..Its so easy to escape on the thief that the class lacks very little skill to be successful at…It being amazing in 1v1’s and small mans is just a by product of that.

I also find it quite amusing that you guys keep bringing up objectives, While ignoring that one class can bog down large numbers of people and still escape just fine because there is no risk involved with the class when doing this.

I honestly think that you don’t know how to defend your point…
I can say I survive 70% of time but that is totally subjective when it comes to survivability, everyone have their own experiences, please do not lose yourself by generalizing your own experience to everyone, I can assure you that’s why you have so many ppl against your statement/sugguestion or w/e it’s, elaborate your point more please….

jkctmc.8754:

Art.9820:

Xsorus.2507:

Suralin.3947:

Xsorus.2507:

Suralin.3947:

Lol @ thread.

If a thief is stealthing a lot, not just P/D, they will almost always have 30 in Shadow Arts and trait for Remove Condition every 3s and Heal in Stealth. They also will most likely have Hide In Shadows (if they don’t, then great!), Blinding Powder, and SR or SS.

Step 1: Thief runs at you. Dodge.
Step 2: Crowd Control – knockdowns/immobilize/chill/cripple. Thief stealths, removes condition, heals a little. Dodge.
Step 3: Stack on the AoE. Thief stealths more, removes condition, heals. Run around.
Step 4: Dodge/Block/Drop more AoE/Kite
Step 5: Repeat Step 2 until thief is no longer around or on the ground and dying.

The thief will eventually burn through all of his utility stealths and will be forced to use CnD, which doesn’t really do a lot of damage anyways (and if he’s hitting you, then he’s in range of anything you’ve got).

This is pretty much how you fight any thief, no matter the build (heck, this is how I fight D/D Eles). P/D thieves that CnD and then 1 are giving themselves the revealed debuff each time, so they are just as targettable even if they haven’t rendered. BS thieves need to land that first blow. Otherwise, they’ll run. And DD / SB or DD/PP condition thieves like me, well, you’re not going to have an easy time with me due to Death Blossom’s evade giving me an extra 2-3 dodges, but time your skills right and you’ll take me down just the same or I’ll run away.

Heals a little?

I’m over 600 HP/S while stealthed… If you run no healing power it’s Heals a Little.. if you run Healing Power though…

To get that, you’re sacrificing Pwr, Vit, Toughness, or Precision. You can only stay stealthed for so long, even at 3s, you’re getting 1500 HP. If you have no Vit or Toughness, straight DPS is all that’s needed with Conditions limiting your ability to heal (such as Poisons and Bleeds), and if you have no Pwr or Precision, all I’d have to do is kite. And since I main as Thief, it’s made even easier for me.

You have to Sacrifice something, In this case Power/precision/toughness (i could get toughness, and I will eventually, but Its not as good as Vit on a thief because we lack Protection)

you can see my HP in the videos, I’m not lacking on HP.

And since most of my damage is from conditions it’s not a huge deal to sacrifice power/precision

When you were playing your thief, did you contribute with something else other than zerg kills?

He’s 1 person, fighting 10-30 people. Imagine if there were five of him, or hell, ten of him.

When I run a five man Thief team, the stuff we pull of is absolutely insane, and now that crossed swords won’t show up for five people, holy mother did they just hand us our cake, and allowed us to eat it as well.

I totally missed your post sorry! yes you might be right but how many 5 thieves grps have you seen that wipe out a zerg? honest question lol

This goes for those who think stealth needs a nerf, aren’t you confusing Deathmatch with WvW? I keep reading all these posts and maybe I’m wrong but what I understand is that killing your opponent is the most important thing to do in WvW? am I right?

Xsorus.2507:

Art.9820:

Xsorus.2507:

Art.9820:

Xsorus.2507:

Suralin.3947:

Xsorus.2507:

Suralin.3947:

Lol @ thread.

If a thief is stealthing a lot, not just P/D, they will almost always have 30 in Shadow Arts and trait for Remove Condition every 3s and Heal in Stealth. They also will most likely have Hide In Shadows (if they don’t, then great!), Blinding Powder, and SR or SS.

Step 1: Thief runs at you. Dodge.
Step 2: Crowd Control – knockdowns/immobilize/chill/cripple. Thief stealths, removes condition, heals a little. Dodge.
Step 3: Stack on the AoE. Thief stealths more, removes condition, heals. Run around.
Step 4: Dodge/Block/Drop more AoE/Kite
Step 5: Repeat Step 2 until thief is no longer around or on the ground and dying.

The thief will eventually burn through all of his utility stealths and will be forced to use CnD, which doesn’t really do a lot of damage anyways (and if he’s hitting you, then he’s in range of anything you’ve got).

This is pretty much how you fight any thief, no matter the build (heck, this is how I fight D/D Eles). P/D thieves that CnD and then 1 are giving themselves the revealed debuff each time, so they are just as targettable even if they haven’t rendered. BS thieves need to land that first blow. Otherwise, they’ll run. And DD / SB or DD/PP condition thieves like me, well, you’re not going to have an easy time with me due to Death Blossom’s evade giving me an extra 2-3 dodges, but time your skills right and you’ll take me down just the same or I’ll run away.

Heals a little?

I’m over 600 HP/S while stealthed… If you run no healing power it’s Heals a Little.. if you run Healing Power though…

To get that, you’re sacrificing Pwr, Vit, Toughness, or Precision. You can only stay stealthed for so long, even at 3s, you’re getting 1500 HP. If you have no Vit or Toughness, straight DPS is all that’s needed with Conditions limiting your ability to heal (such as Poisons and Bleeds), and if you have no Pwr or Precision, all I’d have to do is kite. And since I main as Thief, it’s made even easier for me.

You have to Sacrifice something, In this case Power/precision/toughness (i could get toughness, and I will eventually, but Its not as good as Vit on a thief because we lack Protection)

you can see my HP in the videos, I’m not lacking on HP.

And since most of my damage is from conditions it’s not a huge deal to sacrifice power/precision

When you were playing your thief, did you contribute with something else other thank zerg kills?

Are you going to go about how I didn’t contribute points to the World vs World match?

Cause…It’s friday..

We had 550 to 600 points we were getting..

and we’re currently

289k total points vs 150k to the next closest team, and 145k to that group I was fighting..

So yea..Maybe I should of done more for the War effort since I think we’re going to lose grin

Yes, it’s friday, maybe you should have done something for WvW but who cares when reset is almost here no? but I don’t get where your request about stealth relies, I mean, yes you killed X of ppl in a zerg, you farmed a lot of badges and you can tell me everything you want, but I think if you’re a complaining about a mechaninc that it’s screwing with WvW then you should be actually talking about it, don’t you think?

By the way I’m not here to be condescendat with you lol, I understand why you’re so defensive thought, after reading this thread it’s kinda obvious but I’m just trying to understand your point

Because I don’t believe 1 person should be able to attack a large group of people, possibly down and kill one, and get away whenever they want..

It requires no skill to play the class.

I guess you’re familiar with D/D eles no? if you disagree about 1 person contributing too much in zerg fights, what do you think of that class/build then?

Xsorus.2507:

Art.9820:

Xsorus.2507:

Suralin.3947:

Xsorus.2507:

Suralin.3947:

Lol @ thread.

If a thief is stealthing a lot, not just P/D, they will almost always have 30 in Shadow Arts and trait for Remove Condition every 3s and Heal in Stealth. They also will most likely have Hide In Shadows (if they don’t, then great!), Blinding Powder, and SR or SS.

Step 1: Thief runs at you. Dodge.
Step 2: Crowd Control – knockdowns/immobilize/chill/cripple. Thief stealths, removes condition, heals a little. Dodge.
Step 3: Stack on the AoE. Thief stealths more, removes condition, heals. Run around.
Step 4: Dodge/Block/Drop more AoE/Kite
Step 5: Repeat Step 2 until thief is no longer around or on the ground and dying.

The thief will eventually burn through all of his utility stealths and will be forced to use CnD, which doesn’t really do a lot of damage anyways (and if he’s hitting you, then he’s in range of anything you’ve got).

This is pretty much how you fight any thief, no matter the build (heck, this is how I fight D/D Eles). P/D thieves that CnD and then 1 are giving themselves the revealed debuff each time, so they are just as targettable even if they haven’t rendered. BS thieves need to land that first blow. Otherwise, they’ll run. And DD / SB or DD/PP condition thieves like me, well, you’re not going to have an easy time with me due to Death Blossom’s evade giving me an extra 2-3 dodges, but time your skills right and you’ll take me down just the same or I’ll run away.

Heals a little?

I’m over 600 HP/S while stealthed… If you run no healing power it’s Heals a Little.. if you run Healing Power though…

To get that, you’re sacrificing Pwr, Vit, Toughness, or Precision. You can only stay stealthed for so long, even at 3s, you’re getting 1500 HP. If you have no Vit or Toughness, straight DPS is all that’s needed with Conditions limiting your ability to heal (such as Poisons and Bleeds), and if you have no Pwr or Precision, all I’d have to do is kite. And since I main as Thief, it’s made even easier for me.

You have to Sacrifice something, In this case Power/precision/toughness (i could get toughness, and I will eventually, but Its not as good as Vit on a thief because we lack Protection)

you can see my HP in the videos, I’m not lacking on HP.

And since most of my damage is from conditions it’s not a huge deal to sacrifice power/precision

When you were playing your thief, did you contribute with something else other thank zerg kills?

Are you going to go about how I didn’t contribute points to the World vs World match?

Cause…It’s friday..

We had 550 to 600 points we were getting..

and we’re currently

289k total points vs 150k to the next closest team, and 145k to that group I was fighting..

So yea..Maybe I should of done more for the War effort since I think we’re going to lose grin

Yes, it’s friday, maybe you should have done something for WvW but who cares when reset is almost here no? but I don’t get where your request about stealth relies, I mean, yes you killed X of ppl in a zerg, you farmed a lot of badges and you can tell me everything you want, but I think if you’re a complaining about a mechaninc that it’s screwing with WvW then you should be actually talking about it, don’t you think?

By the way I’m not here to be condescendat with you lol, I understand why you’re so defensive thought, after reading this thread it’s kinda obvious but I’m just trying to understand your point

Xsorus.2507:

Suralin.3947:

Xsorus.2507:

Suralin.3947:

Lol @ thread.

If a thief is stealthing a lot, not just P/D, they will almost always have 30 in Shadow Arts and trait for Remove Condition every 3s and Heal in Stealth. They also will most likely have Hide In Shadows (if they don’t, then great!), Blinding Powder, and SR or SS.

Step 1: Thief runs at you. Dodge.
Step 2: Crowd Control – knockdowns/immobilize/chill/cripple. Thief stealths, removes condition, heals a little. Dodge.
Step 3: Stack on the AoE. Thief stealths more, removes condition, heals. Run around.
Step 4: Dodge/Block/Drop more AoE/Kite
Step 5: Repeat Step 2 until thief is no longer around or on the ground and dying.

The thief will eventually burn through all of his utility stealths and will be forced to use CnD, which doesn’t really do a lot of damage anyways (and if he’s hitting you, then he’s in range of anything you’ve got).

This is pretty much how you fight any thief, no matter the build (heck, this is how I fight D/D Eles). P/D thieves that CnD and then 1 are giving themselves the revealed debuff each time, so they are just as targettable even if they haven’t rendered. BS thieves need to land that first blow. Otherwise, they’ll run. And DD / SB or DD/PP condition thieves like me, well, you’re not going to have an easy time with me due to Death Blossom’s evade giving me an extra 2-3 dodges, but time your skills right and you’ll take me down just the same or I’ll run away.

Heals a little?

I’m over 600 HP/S while stealthed… If you run no healing power it’s Heals a Little.. if you run Healing Power though…

To get that, you’re sacrificing Pwr, Vit, Toughness, or Precision. You can only stay stealthed for so long, even at 3s, you’re getting 1500 HP. If you have no Vit or Toughness, straight DPS is all that’s needed with Conditions limiting your ability to heal (such as Poisons and Bleeds), and if you have no Pwr or Precision, all I’d have to do is kite. And since I main as Thief, it’s made even easier for me.

You have to Sacrifice something, In this case Power/precision/toughness (i could get toughness, and I will eventually, but Its not as good as Vit on a thief because we lack Protection)

you can see my HP in the videos, I’m not lacking on HP.

And since most of my damage is from conditions it’s not a huge deal to sacrifice power/precision

When you were playing your thief, did you contribute with something else other than zerg kills?

Xsorus.2507:

Stiv.1820:

Xsorus.2507:

Stiv.1820:

Xsorus.2507:

Stiv.1820:

Xsorus.2507:

Stiv.1820:

The only change that is actually needed is a 1 point DD added to Poison Arrow and maybe Trops utility (fix culling too but that’s just a noob crutch excuse, it won’t matter much). A thief should not be able to initiate damage and remain stealthed. Even if the people who die to this are god awful. Trops are so easy to avoid though it’s hard to justify, even PvE players should know to stay out of red circles…

Other than that, showing videos of a thief trolling bads in WvW proves nothing but how terrible a large portion of the WvW player-base is. You can troll a zerg all day but then you run into 2-5 guided decent PvPers and treat them like the masses and they will roll you hard. I wonder if that’s happened to you yet on your Thief OP?

rofl, the population is just bad, so nerf to stealth needed grin

And no it’s not happened yet… know why?

Because if i get trouble I can teleport away..

Eles are faster than you. Refuge is counter-able to almost every profession. You got one 1200 step and then either Heartseeker spam or shortbow to run which is slower than both Eles and wars not to mention other thieves.

How can you not have run into any good players?

A. Ele’s are welcome to chase…..They won’t catch me though..Cause I just have to reach a mob (to which there is plenty) to get away consistently in PvP…and no group is going to chase a solo Thief around for 20 minutes hoping to catch him.

B. I don’t use Refuge, you can see that in the video.

C. I’ve been chased multiple times, It’s extremely easy to get away…Maybe you get caught cause you’re bad at the thief..I don’t though..So don’t know what to tell ya.

Haha too bad they don’t have public stat tracking so you can back up your claims of never dying. I simply don’t believe you. If it were true, I’d say you need to take more chances.

Anyway if you have to run you have already lost the fight. If you don’t feel like you lost then it’s just your own perception. Your enemy probably does. A Thief getting away is part of it’s core design.

If I have to run i’ve already lost the fight? Well seeing as you’re talking about a 5vs1 against the greatest players ever..Yes I should lose the fight…so ya…Only difference is if I was on any other class, I’d actually LOSE the fight as in dying…

I die every now and again, It’s rare though…in the past 2 month’s i’ve maybe died 8 or 9 times in PvP on my thief.

I actually died more when I relied on Shadows Refuge.

You actually require being outnumbered by bads or being around mobs to preform well. I’ve already told you how my mesmer can destroy a P/D 1 on 1. Other classes can preform fine against them as well such as condition swap necro and d/d ele. Ele is a stalemate at best vs a p/d even warriors/guards who know how to block/evade C&D. It’s pretty easy to not fight around mobs as well. If a P/D drags you over to mobs, you just ignore them. It’s no different than someone dragging you to guards or being a mesmer near a cliff… where they have a environmental advantage.

You asked what I would do if a group showed up, and i told you, move towards mobs..Now you’re saying “Well just leave him alone” defeating the purpose of your original question.

As for what you’d do on your Mesmer vs a thief, that’s great..Maybe you’re an amazing Mesmer player and pwn every thief you run across….I’ve personally not died to a Mesmer yet (almost did early though hehe, But that was my own fault, I still won the fight)

I actually fought a Guardian yesterday who I eventually killed, but he was annoying to kill I won’t lie and he probably could of ran to the keep we were next to at any point and lived.

But then he would of lost, cause running away is losing wink

So if I run away to reposition myself and not let my opponent have control over the fight, then come back and kill him, did I lose?

Miiaah.5416:

I’m just wondering how long one has to be on a server before they become an expert on what the server stands for.

oh the irony….

vespers.1759:

Art.9820:

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Fact: Every person who comments ‘QQ moar’ and ‘L2P’ have Thief mains and don’t want their precious OPness nerfed away from them.

It’s more entertaining when you have to try, y’know.

Fact: Every person who complains about Thief being OP thinks WvW is about 1v1 fights….

i raise you this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7OYniHrGqE

how will you respond?

Let’s imagine a conversation on team chat…..

Thief: Guys I just killed 5 ppl trying to cap a camp!

Others: Nice, so you saved that camp?

Thief: No… but I killed 5 ppl!!!!

The End.

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Fact: Every person who comments ‘QQ moar’ and ‘L2P’ have Thief mains and don’t want their precious OPness nerfed away from them.

It’s more entertaining when you have to try, y’know.

Fact: Every person who complains about Thief being OP thinks WvW is about 1v1 fights….

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Nuked.2360:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Nuked.2360:

taek.9386:

Come to think of it, if SOR continue to dominate JQ in NA timezone, and BG dominate JQ in OCEANIC/EURO timezone and heavily negate JQs SEA presence then it may actually be a close match across all 3 servers, however time will tell.

These past two matches haven’t required our NA to really push it. When we did (saturday) we held a solid 400 ppt all night. When the match is already 60k leads by monday night or what not there isn’t a need for us (JQ) to continually burn siege and tons of gold for a 6hr window of a 24 hr match.

So is that why you were just ticking below SoS (120) during NA primetime about a half hour ago?

Ahh I kid i kid but I agree your NA is very solid. It just doesn’t have the endurance SoR’s NA has and I don’t blame you guys since you can just go to sleep and wake up with the whole map and a 50k+ lead. Lets just put it this way without your asian/europe zerg your NA crew wouldn’t do as well. It takes us awhile to take back all those upgraded keeps

We weren’t below SoS tick tonight. I wouldn’t say we lack endurance we just don’t really need to push ourselves with a 50k+ lead that has NOTHING to do with endurance so don’t claim it does. Quite simply put there’s not much reason for us to stress and push as hard as you guys.

Yes you were for a very short time. Well of course their is nothing to stress when you wake up with the whole map. If we were to switch NA timezones with our NA going to JQ and your NA coming here you would see an immense difference just because of how much having coverage in other timezones helps out everyone overall. I’m not trying to discredit JQ’s NA since in my opinion you guys are 2nd best in the game and we have some really awesome fights during NA time.

So you are telling me if SoR dominates at some time it’s totally related to skill and not coverage? I’m just dropping that excuse for fun hahaha

Jackums.3496:

Resonance.4216:

Jackums.3496:

I’m honestly disappointed in all of the people transferring from SoS.

As I said in the other thread, we play the game to have fun. WvW was not and has not been fun for a while now. Enjoy your complete lack of NA coverage and PvDooring Tier 3 keeps from breakout events.

The hostility is really necessary, I’m sure.

Haha he’s angry for real!

I enjoy all these psychoanalysis of JQ lol, everyone suddenly knows how our server behaves, acts and thinks haha

SoR outnumbers us in SoS BL right now, is not fair Anet must step in and do something!!!!! :P

Could we have more variety and smart music at WvW?
If you happen to be in a BL at the north area maybe play some norn music, west or east asuran or human music and for EB charr music, I’m just randomly dropping proposals so you get my point lol

I never felt with the desire of complaining about how we currently get the precursor but after playing since day 1 I was able to get everything needed for my legend except for the precursor, when I realized I had most of things I needed to get it I felt happy. somehow all my storyline and gameplaying is “bearing fruit” but after watching precursor price I felt disappointed, am I supposed to spend a entire day or hours farming so I can get this weapon? how is that challenging? I could just get some chinese gold and I’m done…. there is no real challenge to me on that….. so I just quit…. yep sadly I gave up on my legend

Happy to see we are getting along now, with the exception of last week troll ^ ^

Miiaah.5416:

VOLKON.1290:

Miiaah.5416:

I agree SoR and BG should be able to bust JQs dominance but are SoR and BG really not going to smash into each other and take us both out of the match because of our past? It will be an interesting week I’m sure

Look at you already trying to set up a 2v1!

(Be warned, any mention of that when BG is back in T1 will make a thread absolutely explode.)

Oh, by the way… anyone have a score update please?

Actually I’m saying as long as SoR and BG don’t go full throttle ballistic on each other and take us both out of the game, we should do fine. And JQ really can’t say anything about a double team, BGs first week back to T1 was literally Benny Hill ridiculous the way JQ threw everything they had at BG and never touched SoS for at least the first 4-5 days. Even if SoR and BG both hammered on JQ, I’m sure JQ would be fine. Im sure BG has more distaste for JQ these days than SoR for obvious reasons. My reason was watching them play for second in BGs last stint in T1, I don’t think SoR plays for second, I think they might mirror BG’s assualt anything that moves play style

I’m pretty sure SoS and JQ pushed against BG cuz of the video HB posted, that if I’m not mentioning the wrong guild, a couple days after that everything went back to normal

RyuDragnier.9476:

Art.9820:

I don’t get it, how is this useful haha?

They can keep themselves inside a tower or castle even after you think you’ve cleared it, then they can take over the tower or start bringing in people along with a Mesmer the second the people inside leave it. Not that hard to understand…especially since certain castles have pretty good hiding spots to abuse.

if you leave a dead body which happens to be inside your keep or tower then… I wouldn’t blame it on stealth lol….

Recruit: Gee, JQ, what do you want to do tonight?
JQ: The same thing we do every night, recruit – try to take over the world!

This is how I imagine my server when someone complains about our recruits haha

I don’t get it, how is this useful haha?

Elthurien.8356:

Art.9820:

covenn.7165:

stating fact

Sadly your “state” is mostly used as an excuse, don’t confuse passive-aggressive posts with reliable and objetive ones, no doubt that you ‘ve been complaining for last couple days :P, you’ve been using “coverage” in almost every post, when people actually acknowledge this… but you keep insisting on it

In his defence how is it any different from people chest beating about dominating the entire map when we all know there is little opposition?

Personally I’m not phased by the scoreboard at all, when we are losing to superior numbers I just roam and search for the smaller fights. Zerging is boring imo

Don’t get me wrong you are more than free to complain, brag, excuse or w/e you want, I’m just pointing out discrepancies ^ ^

covenn.7165:

stating fact

Sadly your “state” is mostly used as an excuse, don’t confuse passive-aggressive posts with reliable and objetive ones, no doubt that you ‘ve been complaining for last couple days :P, you’ve been using “coverage” in almost every post, when people actually acknowledge this… but you keep insisting on it

mmartong.1794:

wish.3102:

mmartong.1794:

urzen.7096:

score ksjdfhkjsdhjkhsfjkdhs

JQ has done a great job taking advantage of things when we’re at our weakest which is now.

Which is the exact same thing your server does.

True… however the numbers disparity is much greater during the daytime NA hours than it is when JQ numbers are down. Not a complaint but an acknowledgement of JQ doing a better job in overall 24 hour coverage.

Great to see a SoR who acknowledge JQ, cheers to you buddy, coverage is important, just like SoR got to T1 or SoS kept #1 place for 9 weeks… by outnumbering the other servers ^ ^ but sadly they just won’t accept it and everything is about how skilled they are :P

Kissbel.3475:

Rawnoodles.1398:

kefro.9312:

This is the kind of kids that made me transfer.. i mean like full server vs full server when it wasnt night time, you know when we capped all jq borderland vs a full server…
If making 500 points per tick during night vs 0 players makes you happy, good for you, you get like what 4 badges all night? Must be great

Whatever makes you sleep at night. Keep talking, you want Full que vs que competition? See you in JQB.

EMP will be in full force starting today with our 17+ hour daily intl coverage.

Unlike others, we find coverage gaps and take advantage hence the scoreboard. Don’t undermine the strength of our guilds and to be quite frankly, most of our NA’s havent been out in full force due to the fact we’ve scheduled around times when your offline, making our job easier when the ques are weaker.

Learn the game mode and start adapting.

Score Update:

Good work JQ INTl guilds & Oceanics!

Umm EMP Sux at everything they do :P lol i can kill 5 of you guys same-time thanks for the bags

Just stay away from portal bombs pls, kinda hilarious to watch FEAR fail on every attempt XD, learn your place ppl, SoS are pro at portal bombing not you come on :P

I remember this happenning at hills keep, whole gang of guardians kept respawning after we capped it, thank god it didn’t contest because of that haha

buki.3108:

Nuked.2360:

So after reading the past two pages the question becomes if SoR is so much better at PvP and open field why isn’t SoR winning?

Because this is coverage vs coverage, not GvG. Servers don’t get points in WvW from kills.

I think you missed the point, WvW it’s about capping not zerg vs zerg :P he was being sarcastic, at least that’s what I think

Thobek.1730:

As a player from SoS I would like to see us drop down a tier, I see no point in playing against such a stacked server. Not when they can field twice as many players as we can. Its not exactly fun seeing a JQ zerg ball of 40+ hitting Briar door when we have just a few defenders.

But then to come in the forums, pound their chests and call it skill is taking it a bit far. “We are the best at open field combat!!” – not that modest are you?

Waaay to ironic to see someone from SoS complaining about coverage after they won 9 weeks because of that o.O, now that we were able to even it… it’s suddenly unfair!

Orikx.9671:

Art.9820:

Orikx.9671:

Art.9820:

Art.9820:

SoR posters

There you go buddy.

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And again I requote myself

Art.9820:

everyone is guilty of something

Don’t make me go and see “all your messages”

You are more then welcome too if you think that will prove something. All I can imagine it proving is that you are a troll.

As I said. Go troll elsewhere.

It’s a shame this thread had to be ruined so early on by trolls like this guy and Kefro. Well maybe the new one that gets started after this one is closed won’t be so bad.

To stay on Topic so i don’t get infractions.
Anyone have a score update?

I invite you to read all my messages nothing like proving I’m not trolling anyone, just because I shared my opinion and you get mad is not my fault, I didn’t disrespect anyone I’m not even worried about report, I did share my opinion and I’m trying to make you understand what I meant with my earlier post, if you didn’t rage at all then why get mad? srsly if you say I’m troll then you’re a really good feeder just saying…

Burl.9567:

Yeah…some SoR poster who has hopped to a dozen different servers (and was on yours just last week) in the past two months. I would venture to guess he isn’t indicative of the server as a whole.

Orikx.9671:

That guy has spent more time on JQ server then the less then 1 week he has spent on SoR so really it’s JQ that started the aggressive comments.

On a serious note. Art go troll somewhere else.

There you go buddy
edited to requote another person so ppl actually read what I said

Art.9820:

SoR posters

covenn.7165:

Art.9820:

haha so much rage from SoR posters, just give em a couple weeks till they settle in T1, well if they are able to resist, I just want SoS to wake up they are our real challenge

You need to try again, you missed a whole lot.

Missed what? everything started after someone from SoR posted aggresive comments, after that is just defensive and sarcastic posts, don’t play the fool buddy, seems like you don’t understand what is action and reaction, everyone is guilty of something :P but w/e, now I wonder who is getting mad heh

haha so much rage from SoR posters, just give em a couple weeks till they settle in T1, well if they are able to resist, I just want SoS to wake up they are our real challenge

Pirhana.8935:

@Cactus Im also using history to back me up on a seperate game.

I understand the zerg will get you more kills and badges., exp and karma. but if the new system is rewards base off damage done and divided to the group like i said, then each of those lots of kills in the zerg would only get you pennys in reward points.
Apposed to running in a 5man group and only having the kill points divided by the 5 group memebers… well thats dollars for each kill.

Now zerg vs group, yah they will kill groups sometimes, but even today without the inncentives there are a few gank groups that run around and know how stay away from enemy zergs. there is this thing called Over Extending. part of the zerg chases a group, then most give up and turn around, then the group stops and kills the people who kept chasing , you can even watch groups of 3 do this.

On zergs unless you hit you get something, so this might be a bit tricky for devs and will bring differet problems, if you start dividing on equal amount those rewards, I could easily just log on my thief with haste and perma stealth build to finish everyone around and getting same rewards as those who did all the work and it would be a lot easier for gank groups they could set 1 person to be a finisher, everyone get rewards everyone is happy that is just not fun…. everyone should work for it

I’m pretty sure players stats are not going to be based on kills only, probably, captured and defended buildings, yak kills and escorts, grub owning (jk), different gameplays so everyone roles em in order to increase your rank, atleast that’s what I’m hoping for haha

sostronk.8167:

Art.9820:

Yup indeed they need to rework gold sinks in WvW, if you play as a zerger you make decent money, as defender you will lose money or recover what you lost, because upgrades cost way too much

I play both zerger/defender depending on what I feel more is needed whilst im in WvW. Id say im 50/50 and Im losing coin the more I play WvW. Hopefully all the “rewards for playing WvW”they are talking about will include not going broke playing it.

Yes, the main problem for those who zerg is armor fix, but anet needs to focus on defenders too, if you play both you might end up losing even more, I can’t imagine myself wasting on siege, armor fix, upgrades, eek too much money, upgrades with badges is a great idea but indeed we would still need more rewards to make things even

Yup indeed they need to rework gold sinks in WvW, if you play as a zerger you make decent money, as defender you will lose money or rarely recover what you lost, because upgrades cost way too much

Nuked.2360:

if we are losing in ppt its because of our OWN Lack of effort and organization not because of someone else.

I doubt its only related to effort, remember WvW is not a duty lol, I avoid WvW on weekends to not get stressed because indeed, it’s disorganized but I do it to enjoy pve and spvp too and I’m sure a lot of WvW’ers do that too, I’m actually happy to see a lot of pugs on weekends, after all JQ was known for being a PvE server what’s wrong with it ^ ^?, SoR, SoS, BG and whoever you want can say any statement about our week weekends but we always been like that, that big disorganized server who maintains in T1, we can have a lot of transfers but we are a big server thanks to everyone not only to WvW’ers, if you’re looking to be #1 all week then where is the competition left? that’s just boring, I’m happy to see, atleast at the beginning, a hard-fought match, we might be lazy but we are skilled

kefro.9312:

On weekend JQ was losing bad cause the numbers were just the same

Epic… 6k-8k difference is losing bad haha

I’m from JQ in a wvw guild, I usually advise my guildies to avoid WvW on weekends because it fills with pugs, dont get me wrong I have nothing against pugs, thats actually awesome they are learning fast but I just prefer to stay out cuz it can be a bit stressful haha, JQ has every right to defend their coverage after all everyone worked hard for recruits, stop generalizing our behavior by a few who only post in forums and barely show in WvW lol…. try to be more objective pls, that goes for jqers too

I don’t get it why people keep focusing on thief nerf, seems to me that you guys just don’t understand WvW :/

Sansarah.3076:

This game in wvw is a very unfriendly solo / small scale. As soon as you meet larger numbers, you suffer on a quite high scale, regardless of your skill as a player. Don’t forget that some of us do not want to play in a zerg. Some of us prefer the small scale / solo option.

I’ve been a soloer since betas, yet I find downed stated quite challenging and fun, let me tell you an advice if you want to suggest a mechaninc change do not generalize for every soloer out there pls :P, if you have an opinion share it but don’t make it any bigger than what it is oh and downed state is an obstacle for smalls grps AND zergs, just search on the forums and you will find a lot of complains

kfarb.6732:

Now that you’re releasing these videos I think we’ll see more people doing it and (maybe, I could be wrong) a response.

This post just bugs me srsly lol…. guys this ’ve been around for long enough, but we have some1 who thinks this is new and makes a video, and some1 else who think this will be a new wvw problem who happens to be a mesmer… play more wvw please ><, mesmer is the only class capable of flipping an entire map from the result of a portal mistake made by the other team I just find it quite ironic you complain about class unbalance ._.