Guild Wars 2

Kasama.8941:

This is what was said about stealth for the Thief, when it was first revealed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWm8dTrEyWM

(watch from 2:50 to 3:21)

Interview (http://kotaku.com/5780900/the-guild-wars-2-thief-is-a-rogue-like-none-other):
“Stealth in Guild Wars 2 runs on a timer, which would allow you a few precious seconds of Initiative recharge before the enemy uncovers you again.

The wise Thief player will know when to retreat and recharge."

“Players are used to going toe-to-toe with monsters, and the Thief is built around hopping in-and-out of combat. If you don’t know when to back off, you’re going to die.”

Here’s the description of stealth from wiki:
“Stealth — Thieves have access to multiple skills which, for a short duration, make them invisible to enemy players and avoid aggro of hostile NPCs. While stealthed the thief is not targettable, but can still be damaged by attacks which hit them, and attacking from stealth will break the deception.”

And from the 14th december update notes:
“Thieves are the masters of mobility, stealth and high single target damage. They can be very fragile if you counter their stealth with area of effects or large stacks of conditions, but they trade this fragility in order to have some of the highest burst damage in the game. They are able to help allies through traps, venoms and the mobility to flank most encounters.”

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Now look at these resent videos I picked randomly from YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9grDRzNT_wg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4m2mGDUL38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7OYniHrGqE

The thing to notice about these videos isn’t only that the Thief is able to have stealth up for what seems to be next to permanently, but also how easily the Thief is able to escape once low on health. That shadow stepping makes the Thief able to easily escape AoE attacks and snares. That with Cloak and Dagger the Thief can keep stealth up without any lose to playstyle, thanks to the fast recharge of initiative. That “Revealed” is not a hinderance for the Thief at all, because the three seconds that the Thief can’t stealth, is the time that’s spend on attacking anyway. That the Thief don’t have to use their utilities for anything, other then gaining more stealth. And that on top of all of this, the Thief can also use skills like Dagger Storm to avoid damage, or Thieves Guild as pseudo clones for distraction.

This is how the majority of Thieves play: Stealth to get the upper hand and maximum damage on first attack, attack for three seconds until Revealed has passed, gain stealth again to regain positioning on your foe, attacking him again when he’s got his back turned, keep attacking him as he tries to run away with 20% health left, alternatively use shadow stepping or cripple to stop him from escaping, stealth again when he’s downed so he or an ally can’t stop you from stomping him, and then stealth/shadow step away, or start attacking the ally who was trying to help the foe you just stomped. If three or more players finally do manage to get you down to low health; use shadow stepping/Dagger Storm/Thieves Guild to get away, go back into stealth to make your foes lose track of you, hide until your health is restored, proceed to attacking again.

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Am I the only one who can see the contradictory between how ArenaNet wants the Thief to play, and how it is actually played? I’m not sure how anyone (other then a Thief maybe) can justify stealth, for the Thief, as being balanced. I mean, how are you suppose to fight a profession that you can’t see for 80% of a fight, and who can easily escape you during the 20% window where you actually do see him? How is this fun to play against?

Please do explain to me how much does a 1v1 fight affects in WvW? or how useful a thief is when he needs more than 12min to kill a target? I’m sorry I only see 1v1 complains here nothing related to actual game unbalance, all those videos are terrible examples :/

Professor Sensei.2941:

Very simple to do and very rewarding if used with a friend.

What you need:
2 Thieves
Hide in shadows
Blinding Powder
Smoke Screen
Dagger mainhand

What you do:
Use Hide in shadows and blinding powder every time they are off cool down. Take turns using Smoke screen with you duo buddy in combination with heart seeker to stack the combo field stealth on yourself.

THAT’S IT!!!

Here’s a forum post in the WvWvW section of it being used to duo cap towers.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Two-More-QL-Caps-Duo-Thief/first#post1284506

You can see the smoke screen on the ground so try to find a spot where a passerby isn’t going to stumble upon it easily. We took shadow refuge to use as a fall back but it isn’t needed (I almost never take it off my bar).

Good luck and have fun capping, trolling, or whatever it is you can come up with

are you knew to wvw sensei? just asking haha this is a really really old tactic, pretty much any good player in wvw knows it

kfarb.6732:

Chewy.9263:

Just because we are not backstabbing the wall because you think we should, does not make something broken. Should Mesmers not be allowed to throw down their illusions on a gate? Or a Ranger have their pet attack a gate? Or an Elementalist’s or Necromancer’s summons attack a gate? Or a Guardian’s weapon skills attack a gate? Or an Engineer’s turrets attack a gate? … I got nothin’ for Warrior :‘(. Point is, simply because you think something should be done in a certain way, does not make it the only right way. We’re Divergent thinkers here.

I play a mesmer and often hide in keeps and towers. I don’t have a way to remain in permanent stealth in an open area so maybe I’m just jealous. But all of the things you mention are to deal damage and don’t give anyone stealth, which is the crux of it.

If you did it on npc’s or other players, I’d see nothing wrong with it. But doing it on inanimate objects strikes me as something that simply didn’t occur to the developers. A lot of people had differing opinions on thieves being able to do this and prevent a zerg from taking a supply camp and arenanet made it pretty clear how they felt. Now that you’re releasing these videos I think we’ll see more people doing it and (maybe, I could be wrong) a response.

In which server do you play?, this is pretty common in my tier, I always see failed zergs having perma stealth thieves hiding and a mesmer dead body just w8ing for the right moment to rez, this is not something new…

Actually I see some mistakes that need to be fixed, come on… don’t play the fool ppl :P, you think that edge walking on the wall was intended?, what about guild lords reaction? another thing that needs to be fixed he only does 2 attacks and goes on cd w/o attacking normally until their skills are ready again, I’m sorry you did a great job by avoiding that zerg and by taking advantage of game defects, after zerg mistake comes game mistakes you need both things to make it work :P is not only related to “mindless zergs”

zerg fest is part of wvw even if you move to low populated servers they will increase their population I don’t exactly see how t1 is bad XD eventually every tier will be like this

btw is quite fun having 8 ppl defending a tower against 30+ ppl haha

When Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania think America is only US it makes me sad

maybe if BG stops having 15+ ppl camping EB jp and around 5 on each bl jp they coould make it to 2nd place XD it’s hilarious to see many ppl camping jps, I mean complete guilds dedicated to jps? come on…. people can get siege with money, kills and badges for kitten sake…. “we don’t wanna share free siege” excuse just dumb….

sigh… you guys would have a really bad time in t1, this a common practise over there that’s why you never leave a dead body alone….. especially if its inside your keep… common sense

Kurthos.2354:

Art.9820:

Ohai.8346:

lol yeah SF bandwaggoned onto the prx train. If they truly wanted a competitive t1 they would have joined BG. Totally lost respect for their guild.

SoS is getting A LOT of transfers is quite understandable they move over JQ we have been longer in T1 than any server this means we are the most stable wvw server, they just want a challenge and not join SoS to have every BL covered and conquered 24/7, BG just hit t1 again, you can’t assure BG will be able to stay in T1

Correction: Since November, we have had three guilds transfer.

PTX: Not the same sized guild they once were, but still fielding 10-15 everynight.
ND: Very large SEA guild.
TRA: Very small Italian guild.

Guilds that have left SoS:
RMA: Large Brazilian Guild
PRX: Large NA guild.

I think you are underestimating those who are not in a known guild or randoms who wanna join, you have no idea how many people will want to transfer to the #1 server in WvW and those randoms could be future recruits to all the guilds that currently play WvW in SoS

Ohai.8346:

lol yeah SF bandwaggoned onto the prx train. If they truly wanted a competitive t1 they would have joined BG. Totally lost respect for their guild.

SoS is getting A LOT of transfers is quite understandable they move over JQ we have been longer in T1 than any server this means we are the most stable wvw server, they just want a challenge and not join SoS to have every BL covered and conquered 24/7, BG just hit t1 again, you can’t assure BG will be able to stay in T1

pew pew those mdfkas! just kidding, knockdowns and long distance interrupts are quite useful against eles

Doyen.7063:

Does this suffice for it ?

I run a thief and d/d ele too buddy, I can assure countering glass cannon thieves is waaaaay to easy, you actually have a few skills over there to easily counter it after that you have a lot of time to take him down even if his skill chain is ready again, backstabbing, when an encounter alrdy has started, is quite hard so you can easily kill him with immobilize, knockdown and cripple skills, you will be on earth attunement most of the time and for p/d thieves on water, but don’t forget to switch between attunements even if you know your skills are still on cd those buffs come in handy

Anet make this happen!

hehe to all those looking to be pro d/d eles in WvW, PLEASE just don’t forget to bring a focus and a staff if you really want to be useful xD but if you’re only in wvw to farm badges and test your skills well good luck then ^ ^

Adaneshade.2409:

Pro Tip: A stealthed thief will be trying to get behind you. Make him work his kitten kitten to get there.

That’s is a fail thief then lol, I will never try to go behind you after I do my 1st combo, I can easily get behind you with shadowstep->steal that’s how you can easily surprise any target after I just play evade, stealth & bleed to kill him/her slowly

covenn.7165:

Unlike thieves, you can see DD eles coming. If they are bunker spec, you can simply choose not to stay and fight them because it will take them a year to kill you. If they are glass cannon, simply immobilize and two shot them.

roll a thief someday and your thinking of “you can’t see a thief coming” will go away, trust me

sadly I’ve never seen a d/d ele beat a decent mesmer or warrior :P, to any d/d ele out there try to play a s/x thief requires a lot of skill, stop thinking every thief out there plays 1,2 builds ^ ^ oh and for the record I play d/d ele too actually any build that I feel it overwhelms in WvW I play it, I know both thief and d/d eles are kinda op :P

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Renegade.6325:

Fasalina.6571:

Renegade.6325:

Food offers benefits, alcohol doesnt (im talking in game benefits like power).

He’s not talking about benefits, his point is, if Anet is so careful to not introduce certain things that might prove offensive to a certain type of person, then why introduce alcohol? Alcohol is generally seen as a negative beverage.
I, for one, am not offended by any of the above cases.

Right but if they added an item that gave an advantage, but it had issues with religion, that may be an explanation for it not being in game. Thats why alcohol would be allowed.

There are hamburgers in the game, which you can certainly make using meat from cows you slay, and 1 recipe requires Rice Wine, which is alcohol.
Plus, the whole “murder everything you see” thing the game has going is probably offensive to a lot of people. Which is not cared about.

I don’t think they never state what kind of meat is the one you find in the game, you might think in cow meat since that’s the most common meat is used to make an hamburger but in other countries they could use lamb, soy or w/e alternative meat and they will think on that alternative and not necessarily on cow meat

I don’t get what is with some SoS and their need to prove they are #1, guys WvW is a numbers game, tactics come second XD until a server with same capabilities on numbers makes it to T1 you will actually see who’s better, sooo everyone chill~~ let em be #1 :P

Ok thx for your replies I’m somehow still worried that someday I find an easy way to make money and get banned, Anet really needs to clarify what an exploit is…. any casual player who reads forums or reddit could be worried about this issue :/, let’s say some newbie stumbles with something that its worth it to exchange or pay for to just find out later it was an update mistake and this person gets banned for “exploiting it” when he thought it was the honest way…….

Rayya.2591:

Art.9820:

I play thief and I usually know how to counter one when I’m rolling another class, I really suggest to those having trouble dealing with thief start one and understand it better, you will see how to beat stealth, atleast that’s what I did when I couldn’t beat d/d eles, now I know which skills are important for them, you can find out how stealth actually works, btw never AoE when u have a thief around that’s just stupid, try to immobilize or knockdown, even if he goes on stealth you know he/she stills there, another good way to find out if you are hitting it is to pay close attention to any chain skill you have, usually #1 skill works this way, if you’re actually triggering every sub-skill (I don’t know how to call it) well you’re hitting something then :P

oh and for “perma stealth” thieves just don’t let them touch, save your evades when you’re actually seeing them, you will have a lot fun watching now they are trying to hit you with CnD XD

and what if they C&d on mobs arround you and safe backstabs for you ?
And how you counter an thief who stealth and leave the combat? , cause this happen on 50% of my fights vs thieves they fail initial combo, they start to lose, they walk away then come back 40 sec latter

Just remember no one is forcing you to fight lol, you could easily move to a safer area if a thief is trying to kill you, if you are soloing with a necro then I’m sorry that’s your fault, thief focuses on 1v1, they are pretty useful at downing and killing players, just like a d/d ele, another thing just because a thief started to attack it dosen’t mean you have to stand right there and fight him…. you can change the fight stage, if he runs away that’s a victory for you, this is how you will learn how to deal with a thief, even if he comes back your skils will be over with cooldown too, hes not the only one with a skillbar you know :P, you have no idea how useful I feel by playing ele and not thief in wvw, I do help A LOT more than just killing randoms or downing players, trust me when I say this, in the big picture of WvW thief is really small compared to other classes like mesmer or elemenalist, 1v1 are meaningless stop taking it personal and actually focus on why you are in WvW

I play thief and I usually know how to counter one when I’m rolling another class, I really suggest to those having trouble dealing with thief start one and understand it better, you will see how to beat stealth, atleast that’s what I did when I couldn’t beat d/d eles, now I know which skills are important for them, you can find out how stealth actually works, btw never AoE when u have a thief around that’s just stupid, try to immobilize or knockdown, even if he goes on stealth you know he/she stills there, another good way to find out if you are hitting it is to pay close attention to any chain skill you have, usually #1 skill works this way, if you’re actually triggering every sub-skill (I don’t know how to call it) well you’re hitting something then :P

oh and for “perma stealth” thieves just don’t let them touch, save your evades when you’re actually seeing them, you will have a lot fun watching now they are trying to hit you with CnD XD

just keep in mind if you are looking to only farm badges is better to make a thief or a d/d ele and go solo :P, I have spent more than 500hrs in WvW and to me that’s the best way to make badges + jps

Since recent bans for snowflakes crafting I’m worried about how gw2 banning system works, somehow I feel that mechanics from the game itself get you to think on easy ways to make money w/o knowing it could result into a perma ban, let me explain, let’s say I spent 2/3 months farming every dungeon after token patch, as you know this tokens can be traded for golds or exotics, well I decide not to go for exotics and go for A LOT OF golds and I manage to have around 5k-8k tokens that I can trade for a gold piece worth 30 tokens and we would be talking around 166-266 gold pieces that I could easily salvage into ectos, resulting in more than 250 ectos, will this get me banned?, will this make much difference if I salvage 5/6 golds per day and not all my stack at once?

I think Anet right now offers many ways to make a great income that any honest blindly player could think of, by the way Anet… remember that not all your players population are hardcore gamers who came from WoW or any other MMO, some of them are just casual players

zastari.1730:

Art.9820:

Bunzy.8674:

If you want a game where skill prevails over numbers its time to get rid of or drastically change the downed state.

The cards are in your hands anet, I hope for your sake you play them right.

EDIT: Why are you people talking about sPvP? It still has a downed state o.o

Why don’t you people understand gw2 is not a hardcore pvp game…. please understand that this game is for casual players if you want to show how awesome you are go to w/e game where skill is only thing that matters

So since it isn’t a hardcore pvp game, pvp should just be kitten and have a garbage design.

kittening brilliant why didn’t I see the light before.

I just find amazing how you’re convinced about your opinion and that everyone thinks your way, well sorry you should start your own game! please I beg you :P I dislike people who only drop garbage talk, explain to me how removing downed state will make the game more skilled? you can’t beat someone who is in this state? then I wonder who lacks of skill, TO ME if you actually pay attention this is another obstacle which requieres more skill and thinking from players, btw WvW doesn’t care about your 1v1 keep that in mind, I do play d/d & thief (1v1 class and build), I kill people all the time, 1v1 a lot yet I don’t care about only downing sometimes why? this way you can easily distract 3 or 4 players even if its only for 5 secs, let’s be honest this is more related to you and your OWN experience and lack of skill on dealing with downed state please do not generalize your opinion

Kezorian.5107:

HAPPY NEW YEARS!

That’s a lie buddy until you show prove, pics, videos etc etc I will believe you our server may exploit like anyone else, oh wait…… happy new year! to you too buddy and everyone <:P

Komolov.5903:

It’s funny how when JQ is doing well, all of a sudden, the forum posts are full of JQ people. While, SBI is so quiet. Not that its anything strange about that, just an interesting observation. Btw, where is the outspoken Covergirl. I hope she/he didnt transfer out of SBI. Lol, of course she/he didnt, she/he loves SBI too much for that. And Ipea can you please not stir crap up, just post evidence of exploits and move on. Anyways, its still early in the week, no cause for celebration yet but well done on JQ for winning the New Year Battle.

yea I’m starting to miss SoS posts… EVERYONE LOOK AT US! WE OWN WvW EVEN IF YOU DO NOT PLAY WvW PAY US ATTENTION YOU SON OF A…. :P, don’t point out observations that are common to anyone and kinda obvious too buddy :P

Bunzy.8674:

If you want a game where skill prevails over numbers its time to get rid of or drastically change the downed state.

The cards are in your hands anet, I hope for your sake you play them right.

EDIT: Why are you people talking about sPvP? It still has a downed state o.o

Why don’t you people understand gw2 is not a hardcore pvp game…. please understand that this game is for casual players if you want to show how awesome you are go to w/e game where skill is only thing that matters

Kunagisa.7361:

kidbs.8920:

Unfortunately or maybe fortunately it’s looking like SBI will be heading back to T2 soon. We’ve lost a lot of good commanders and long-time WvWers.

I personally think we need to drop back and regroup and rebuild.

Nooooooo, don’t leave us with JQ. JQ smells bad.

Jedbacca.6297:

@JQ/SBI hate for each other, yeah…that probably will never go away… Our servers have been fighting one another since day 1 with a 1 week break from both servers a piece from T1.

I don’t know man. I think you two have very strong homosexual tensions toward each other (just like SoS and SoR).

You know what they say! Hate and love are not mutually exclusive. Sometimes I feel like SoS is just a huge lightbulb going between the bromance of your servers =/.

tehehe don’t project buddy… feeling lonely I guess :P?

Why many people are no longer playing GW2? sorry professor I think you meant, Why many people are no longer playing WvW? generalizing is a common junior mistake which makes me think you might be just a student playing a teacher’s role :P

SB Thief can easily own in WvW D/D Eles, P/D Thieves and D/D ones + you will be really fast running supplies by using SB and S/D combined ^ ^ in PvE is quite useful… u can tank a lot of bosses, go for it

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Upload the proof, but blaming the entire WM guild is as silly as blaming an entire server, when there are only a few bad eggs. I’ve had JQ exploit briar tower(s) from me at least 3 times this week, people are doing it everywhere. Granted, doing it to garrison is more serious. Get the video up, I doubt it was anyone from core WM doing the exploit, most likely a bad egg lying to a WM commander that they were in legitimately.

Every server have people who glitch, randoms who saw a video or glitchers who gather to start an exploit guild, but having 20+ exploiting same thing for 2 days in a row and defending em is just cinical I saw myself like 15 WM ppl I don’t even bother taking pics or w/e I only try to keep my eyes open cuz I know anet response will be pretty slow to this issue, please do not compare those random exploiters that every server has to an entire zergs exploiting and abusing of this on all bl’s

UnicornViolet.3081:

Icarus Pherae.4680:

rogue classes are impossible to balance in an online setting? That seems true, every time I get onto TF2 the whole team is filled with spies……wait, that’s not true at all.

1) Very few FPS players play an FPS to play a melee class.
2) Spy was largely considered the most overpowered class in the entire game for the first 5 years or so of its existence. (Simple Google search can more than confirm this.)
3) Even when Rogues accounted for 90% of the top rankings in Warcraft Arenas, Rogues were still the least played class in the game. OP does not always = popular.

Just because the masses complain about a class being OP it does not mean is a fact :P, sorry I just read and saw how contradictable your post is

Crafting, crafting! haha, if you haven’t completed cooking you should lvl really fast this way otherwise I suggest both, so you just don’t focus only in lvling + you kinda enjoy the game more :P

I wonder what would happen if they nerf golems teleporting through portals :O

Tulisin.6945:

It isn’t the profession that relies on 1v1 ambushes, it is a particular play style. Any profession can stack offense and jump people for quick 1v1 kills, thieves just have the mobility to get away when it fails.

I do kinda share your point, but thieves only being able to get away when they fail? what about warrior endure pain and spamming leap attacks to get away? mesmers using portals and teleport + stealth skills + all their illusions to trick you? necro’s state mode and fear?, d/d eles with mist form + lighting leap (don’t know the name)? etc etc the only classes I can think that suck at running away are guards, engineers and rangers, but rangers the most, guards still have a lot of buffs + invulnerability and some leap attacks and engineers have elixirs <3, I never play ranger I might be wrong :P

cannons.8109:

Facts: (1) Anet will never balance classes around WvW; and (2) Anet will never fix culling. Therefore, thief will always be OP in WvW. Deal with it. It takes only a few days to level a thief to 80, and you should have caves full of gold by now to gear your toons, so there’s no reason to QQ.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/New-Culling-Trial-Ended/page/7#post997750

Culling never been broken they are testing new methods, please do some research before stating something :P

Miku.7156:

Are you serious ? been able to kill someone stealth is fair to you

Let me rephrase that…. Are you serious? been able to kill someone while you’re invulnerable is fair to you? :P, buddy I really don’t care if thieves get nerfed like I told you before I don’t run 2 hit builds most of the time I’m running supplies or defending camps and towers

Miku.7156:

now I understand when psychologists say that there are people who live on their own worlds, as long as you are happy you dont care about everyone else.

oh everyone does , if nerfin thief makes you happy, good for you then…. I really hope they do it, w/e floats your boat, but I keep what I said, everyone here just want thief nerfed selfishly I haven’t seen a real argument yet

LordByron.8369:

Art.9820:

LordByron.8369:

Art.9820:

Miku.7156:

There is a reason why everybody is changing to thief class

This made me lol, zergs full of thieves!!!! you’re pretty much lost if you are in a T1 server you will notice that the hype class right now is ele with a d/d build

No..

THIEVES players are starting to complain about D/D eles….
Also they NEVER support their theory with real facts…

check profiles…you ll find 90% of times complainers are thieves….

D/D ele have at least 4 couterclasses…

Nerf:
-P/D thieves
-Necromancers
-Rangers
-Mesmers

reality: are you sick of thieves? roll one yourself or their counterclass…..aka D/D ele that is the reason you see many nowaday…
Less thieves = less D/D eles (also because in sieges they are quite bad).

Funny thing is you see no D/D ele in PvE….there could be a reason.

I have seen D/D eles in PvE :O, kinda hard to believe people roll d/d eles to only counter thieves since most of them are helping zergs or love owning several underleveled targets (just like most of thieves out there who usually are the ones posting youtube videos….), d/d ele is awesome to mess with other zergs, 3 or 4 d/d eles can make a zerg spread out easily because people will try to evade them, like I said before everyone is focusing in 1v1 fights or small fights, if we talk about the big picture an ele or mesmer are way better at helping in WvW, most of those who were amazingly posting about their skillful thieves against underleveled targets are the ones complaining about d/d eles now, PLEASE TO EVERYONE don’t put every thief in the same picture, is just like those who call my server JQQ, when only a few complain about 2v1 or w/e new excuse they think of…..

as i said try to put some facts…..D/D are good about zergs? why? you don t even manage to get near….
Don t do like all thief players with empty sentences “i ve seen…i heard…D/D ele oneshot zhaitan itself…”
Its clear what is happening, just reading complaints….they never analyze a build, but get together numbers from glass cannon ele to defence of tank eles…….sometimes even complaining about skills from staff/scepter -.-

Its not a D/D ele can cleanse 10 conditions, you may get away with 2 max 3, and not root, daze and many others…..
Not to mention the lack of stability skills.

Eng can cover (and usually do) the zerg with mines, necros with poison, there are a whole range of countermeasurers for almost any class.

Wich countermesure do you have against stealth?
AoE in the hope you hit the thief?

I complain about thieves just for one reason…
Stealth is a mechanic that doesn t take in account defender skill.
That is bad design most compettiive games avoid.

I didn t even said that tieves are OP, stealth btw shouldn t exist in its current form…..
If adjusting it means that thieves becomes useless, its just enough to give them something to balance the loss.

And as i said i perfectly know we all fear nerfs because Anet is fast at nerfing but really slow to compensate…

But that doesn t mean that steath mechanic is fine…

Let me quote what you said before “Funny thing is you see no D/D ele in PvE….there could be a reason.” way too ironic you ask for proves, I have seen d/d eles do great in CoF they are really useful to survive, just because most of people have MF gear it doesn’t mean no one uses a common dmg or defensive set ^ ^, but if you are complaining about game mechanics please do enlighten me, how am I supposed to counter warrior and guardian invulnerability?, mesmer massive illusion spam?, necros fear? oh w8… you can’t right? only by confusing, running away or trying to interrupt? just like you would do against any thief trying to stealth? so in end you have to learn to deal with it ^ ^, until most of ppl in here lower their ego and start looking at the big picture of what WvW stands for and not to care about their random 1v1 which no one will ever know about, then we will actually have a real discussion, you want a real game modifier? what about mesmer portal? who can easily teleport 20 members inside a keep that can lead to a complete mess in the map against the other team, that’s ONE SKILL that really have an impact in WvW, I don’t have anything against portals thought, anyways…. most people are just raging about stealth ,they just want to able to say…. OMGZ I BEAT A THIEF, I’m sorry but no one in here have a real argument against stealth, if you are asking to counter thieves main benefit then we should do it with all classes

What are your thoughts on how anet handle alt-f4 problem?

I just would like to share my point of view and know others….

I really don’t have a problem by blocking this behavior but I just find so stressing that if I want to log off fast, because something in real life show up, I have to wait to enter into passive mode which is another topic! State change is really bugged >.<! there’re times when I have to wait more than 1 or 2 minutes after I killed my target or move really away to enter into passive mode, anyways, I really think a 10s counter should be implemented, somehow I feel that anet way to fix this was a quick implementation only to please the masses

so what are your thoughts on this?

Thanks all

Manos.5486:

I have an 80 thief (among other classes). They’re hated because stealth is a broken mechanic. Simple as that. No other class can walk into a group of 3-5 people with the possibility of downing and stealth dunking one of them, and then walk away. Culling makes this worse.

Thieves have:
1) The best mobility in the game
2) The best opening attacks in the game
3) The best burst damage in the game
4 The best kiting ablity in the game
5) The best escapability in the game (Elementalists come close)
6) The best hit and run, or engage and disengage abilities in the game
7) Very good, but not the best wall defense
8) Very good, but not the best wall clearing abilities.

This adds up to a class that effectively has few, if any, weaknesses and even average/poor players can be incredibly effective.

It boils down to a very very low risk class with very very high rewards. They can contribute in almost every situation, and can escape from almost every situation that doesn’t suit them. Culling lets them stay in combat, deliver huge amounts of damage from a position where other players have an incredibly difficult time defending or responding. Honestly stealth should work differently than it does right now. It should either drop when the thief takes X damage or gets hit X number of times, or revealed should be significantly longer than it is now.

Only bad/tunnelvisioned thieves will ever die in wvw, but bad thieves can still get lots of kills. No other class can boast this.

D/D eles and guardians can kill 3 targets easily ^ ^ and I’m pretty sure a mesmer can too but I’ve never seen one trying it

LordByron.8369:

Art.9820:

Miku.7156:

There is a reason why everybody is changing to thief class

This made me lol, zergs full of thieves!!!! you’re pretty much lost if you are in a T1 server you will notice that the hype class right now is ele with a d/d build

No..

THIEVES players are starting to complain about D/D eles….
Also they NEVER support their theory with real facts…

check profiles…you ll find 90% of times complainers are thieves….

D/D ele have at least 4 couterclasses…

Nerf:
-P/D thieves
-Necromancers
-Rangers
-Mesmers

reality: are you sick of thieves? roll one yourself or their counterclass…..aka D/D ele that is the reason you see many nowaday…
Less thieves = less D/D eles (also because in sieges they are quite bad).

Funny thing is you see no D/D ele in PvE….there could be a reason.

I have seen D/D eles in PvE :O, kinda hard to believe people roll d/d eles to only counter thieves since most of them are helping zergs or love owning several underleveled targets (just like most of thieves out there who usually are the ones posting youtube videos….), d/d ele is awesome to mess with other zergs, 3 or 4 d/d eles can make a zerg spread out easily because people will try to evade them, like I said before everyone is focusing in 1v1 fights or small fights, if we talk about the big picture an ele or mesmer are way better at helping in WvW, most of those who were amazingly posting about their skillful thieves against underleveled targets are the ones complaining about d/d eles now, PLEASE TO EVERYONE don’t put every thief in the same picture, is just like those who call my server JQQ, when only a few complain about 2v1 or w/e new excuse they think of…..

Miku.7156:

Art.9820:

Miku.7156:

There is a reason why everybody is changing to thief class

This made me lol, zergs full of thieves!!!! you’re pretty much lost if you are in a T1 server you will notice that the hype class right now is ele with a d/d build

ohh and by the way I never run 2 hit builds I run hit & run build I just dislike whoever comes in here and says “I am just pointing on a reason why people is leaving” I wonder what would happen if they nerf thief dmg haha, I’m pretty sure people will find another excuse to even get our class more nerfed

Problem is that you are not honest, any of the many thief who play it on well+ level know that they are abusing with that class, it is of course very funny to kill someone stealth by a couple of hits, my friends who play that class laugh all day and is with them that I can go to wvwvw otherwise in 15 min I hit alt+f4 . I just dont want to be the next “I quit for other game guy”, I have played Lineage 2 for like 8 years and my intention was to play gw2 for a lot of years.

Honest? I see gank thieves get killed everyday, Lineage 2 is not GW2 I’m sorry but don’t come in here and expose experience, you pretty much don’t understand WvW you’re only focusing in1v1, until you understand that and everyone else complaining about thieves then I will actually talk seriously ^ ^

Miku.7156:

There is a reason why everybody is changing to thief class

This made me lol, zergs full of thieves!!!! you’re pretty much lost if you are in a T1 server you will notice that the hype class right now is ele with a d/d build

ohh and by the way I never run 2 hit builds I run hit & run build I just dislike whoever comes in here and says “I am just pointing on a reason why people is leaving” I wonder what would happen if they nerf thief dmg haha, I’m pretty sure people will find another excuse to even get our class more nerfed but don’t worry I won’t leave the game if they do it I’m not that childish

UberLander.8326:

In whatever game you play you will always get people that say they can beat any class and l2p lol for them I reply with 5 videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SymCAw2pZI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JugxS_w_aKY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4p7MO7mzz8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3mrVp1_c9g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IovEPlAMr7g

as a bonus heres a super game breaking Ranger…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imPsk-Q5LqM

:)

how cute! but I’m sorry you’re quite lost :P just another person putting WvW in a 1v1 scene, come back and tell me how useful were those kills in WvW, (which to be honest most of em were on targets that aren’t lvl 80)

Tulisin.6945:

Art.9820:

I’m sorry but as a thief I feel useless when it comes to help capping towers or keeps, I can only help to defend others from sneaky thieves or kill some dumb toon who fall from the building,

You’re doing it wrong, then. But that is fine, thieves can excel at those roles if they choose to do so, there’s nothing wrong with being ineffective at siege combat if you chose to spec into open-field skirmish style play.

Doing it wrong?, Ok tell me when you are able to kill a trebuchet which is out of your range in a keep and tell me how useful you were other than spamming in chat “trebuchet trebuchet, build this ballista”, my point here is….. we are limited to build types, if I’m gonna run open field build which might not even focus on how our profession is intended to work I will get bored easily, I’m not playing an ele or necro to aoe stuff I play thief to drop targets quick, thats what people don’t get, each profession have their benefits

Tulisin.6945:

Mechanix.5719:

theirs a reason you don’t see high ranking Tpvpers running around the forums saying “OMG THAT THEIF KILLED ME IN 2SECS AND I WAS FULL TANK!!!11” because they know how to play their class and how to counter the D/D gc thief

Well, it is mostly because damage doesn’t get as out-of-hand in TPvP as it can in WvW. With Ascended gear there is a bigger gap than ever between PvE (WvW) capabilities and S/TPvP capabilities. But, yeah, knowing how to counter helps too.

yea especially when thieves are the only ones who can use ascended gear….

swinsk.6410:

I started trying out SW in spvp. It only works when you are on the same plane as the enemy. Even the slightest elevation change will cause the player to not get pulled all the way to you.

It’s great ability but it needs tweaks for sure.

Yea especially when most of spvp map have irregular surfaces .__. they really need to fix this skill!

I can easily tank , most champs or bosses with shortbow seriously I can’t believe how much fun you can have with that weapon, plus I run D/D wpn swap with Haste + Signet of Agility + Assassin’s Signet to use it from time to time on foes to drop or finish them fast ^ ^, thief can be pretty useful if you know how to play it

Anyone think this skill works when it wants to?
Let me explain, I always use it to mess around with campers at JP just like Mesmer’s Curtain, sadly sometimes when I try to pull a target it barely moves from his position, I know there are some skills that reflect scorpion wire or aegis that blocks it, my point is… when I try to pull a target, which may happen to be in a higher position than me, scorpion wire just won’t work, it will pull him only to the edge he is standing at, it just makes me wonder if I actually understand this skill because “Throw a scorpion wire and pull your foe to you” seems pretty obvious to me