Guild Wars 2

Interesting, when I show up for a DS meta at least a minute before the timer resets the map I find a map doing the meta… 20/20 times to align with the stats given above. The HoT maps run off timers. Show up early you’re good to go. Show up on time or a bit late and it’s a maybe. Show up 30-60 minutes late… You have nothing to blame but yourself.

Pre-exploring to get all the poi’s and such? This takes like twenty minutes. My advice? Dulfy’s HoT timers. Google that, show up on time.

Probably need to find a new game… One easier than GW2…. So this excludes all other MMO’s in existence… You need a game that requires zero thought… Any ideas people?

I beat the entire story in two days on my ranger which is the easiest class to solo content IMO without talking to anyone. Read some guides. Optimize your gear. Figure out how this mmo works. Sorry you can’t faceroll through it without putting in some common sense.

You literally don’t even need to associate with anyone unless you plan on running group content… Want a meta? Just show up. Want a hero point that requires soloing a champ? Wait around for a couple minutes. I got 100% HoT map completion within a week of purchase. I bought HoT a little over two weeks ago. Zero help from friends.

Wander.5780:

All I want is just to be able to join an organized DS map less than an hour before it starts… the time constraints for this game have be come absolutely insane. I feel completely defeated every time I login with tons of time before the DS meta starts and I cant get into a single populated map. I’m starting to hate this game because the developers indifference towards the player base. No disclosure of time frames for fixing anything, false estimates on new content releases, (new legendaries, Living Season, new raid wing) and everyone likes to give Anet a pass because its not a subscription game… these kinds of problems shouldn’t exist in any MMO that has the exposure and has been around as long as this game has. 3 1/2 years in and we still don’t have a legitimate LFG system… its mind boggling.

These problems exist in your head. I can expand on how it took me three days to grasp how HoT works if you’d like. I more often than not join DS metas a couple minutes before it starts and I’ve never had an issue. Nothing needs to be fixed except perhaps your setup. You state anet gets a free pass due to the fact there is no subscription but did you ever stop to think this may effect the rate of content? I don’t get it, you want more content yet you can hardly grasp the simplicity of HoT? Lolol it so funny how many people “hate this game” yet they sit here playing it for 8-10 hours a day. I put in 10,000 hours and now I’m bored!!!!

This has never happened to me.

Wait, people found story mode hard? Lolol good luck doing anything else in this game.

I’ve been searching the internet and I can’t seem to find anything on this. I actually have two questions so I’ll start with the first:

When going up against VG occasionally a green circle would not be visible for me. This happened multiple times. On Grov I was not able to see the eggs and occasionally would not be able to see the entire area light up when you are suppose to hop into the updraft. On Sab it’s not displaying the arrow that indicates flamethrower. Is anyone having similar issues? Does anyone know anything about this? To be clear this is occurring on the Mac Beta and I have not had a chance to test it out on bootcamp due to the following question:

The second question I have is when I went and downloaded the client on bootcamp the game was running at about the same quality except my character was experiencing a delay. I would run forward and it would take a fraction of a second to react. I would hop/move and it does the same. Even with skill bars. I run other games on the windows side through steam and I haven’t experienced anything like this.

OS X El Capitan
Specs: MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Late 2013)
Processor 2.6 GHz Intel Core i5
Memory 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Graphics Intel Iris 1536 MB
Running 64-bit Windows 7 through bootcamp

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I mean, I bought HoT about 2 weeks ago… I followed the handy green markers and did group events when I needed to grind some XP for required masteries… HoT is a bit much at first but it is really less complicated than you give it credit for… Just follow the green markers….

Do you even need HoT to access WvW?

I mean if you’re not going to touch PvE don’t buy it lol

Or limit the amount of servers so that servers are generally more full. I don’t really have much knowledge on how that actually works though past personal experience.

@Wander – Anet would have two solutions to get around this… Either shorten the Meta or increase the time between the meta. A simple solution around this is to either grab all the exploration stuff as you go down a specific lane, or to join a map beforehand as you can get most the exploration stuff done without the meta being complete. I know there are like 3 HP’s, a Vista, and a POI or two that require meta completion. Once you get it all 15 minutes actually turns into plenty of time to accomplish all you need to do. I hear you though.

@Blude
Yayyyy!

@Blude
Seriously send me a request! I will be your guide!

@Vayne
I couldn’t agree more, this is the point I’m basically trying to make. If you are prepared I can guarantee you will almost ALWAYS get into a DS instance that is going for the meta.

@Manasa Devi
The thing is the amount of outliers are so tiny, it wouldn’t make sense not getting into a DS meta if people are taxi-ing in 10 minutes after…

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

^ I agree with your assessment, Avarice, and would reply with a single word but since I’m required to type at least 15 characters in this post I’ll respond with this overly-verbose statement as a form of homage, if you will, to something you wrote to me ^ ;D

Hahah I deserved that… Was that 15…? Okay good.

What’s the question? Just kidding.

I agree though, it seems weird you are forced to keybind jump and glider to the same key, although I personally do not have problems with this. I could understand though if you have a touchy spacebar and I hear you. Adding a seperate keybind would be more optimal than on/off imo although I personally would keep it as default.

^I would just say yes but I’m required to have at least 15 characters in this post so since you are asking a question I am going to say the answer is yes! :P

Khisanth.2948:

Donari.5237:

It actually ends up being more like one and a half hours, starting every two hours at half past the hour (eg it’s every even half hour eastern time, 12:30, 2:30, 4:30 etc).

Colin said in his interview on Guild Chat that ANet knows the rigid time commitment of the HoT maps isn’t in line with their core design philosophy so they will be reworking things. Whether that means in the April or July big patches (or later) we don’t know.

I have no idea how they can keep the feel of DS, the massive drive up the lanes to the epic face off with the Mouth, while changing it so people can find things to do at any point they arrive, but I’m not a game designer.

Massive drive up the lanes? Epic face off? =_=

I thought it was pretty epic the first time I participated. As far as a game centered around zerging goes.

@Manasa Devi

Yes, but assuming servers are divided equally by a specific cap is all speculation. What if the extra 20 are simply thrown in a occupied server? It’s all speculation to be honest. Perhaps you are right, perhaps you aren’t. From personal experience I haven’t had any issues.

@Blude

I don’t know what to tell you man. I believe you are trying. I actually ran DS three times today to grind out a mastery. Each time I went in about ten minutes before the meta. A squad leader was there with about 20-30 people. When the map reset I was brought into a new map with the majority of my squad. The rest taxied in. I find this extremely odd though. Can you try another DS tomorrow and report the EXACT time you went in here? DS meta starts every day at the (same time – I think) 1 1/2 hours apart.

If anything you can add me and we can try it together! I am more than willing to help you out.

The thing is, the number of viable maps (amount of players every viable server can hold) will always exceed the number of players arriving “at the right time.” If this wasn’t the case then no one would be able to taxi in after the meta began. This variable will fluctuate depending on the amount of players willing to participate in the DS meta. What I am saying is this is the window of getting into this variable so that you are in a map that is participating. If you arrive too late then you are placed in a map that doesn’t have the luxury of time to prepare, taxi, and set up. You are pinned up against everyone else trying to get into a full server. MadRabbit is offering the idea that each server can be listed so that players can join the server they see fit, but he doesn’t understand that this isn’t a viable solution to get onto a full server while you are outside “the right time.” This is essentially a quality of life fix and doesn’t really help with the problem of players arriving outside “the right time.” I’m not sure if you’re basing your observation off my original statement or our back-and-forth.

It is a matter of timing, which is the main argument of this thread. What I am offering is a solution and source that will provide you the tools to better prepare yourself (Not you, the people who are struggling to get onto a DS meta). The people who are mad, are mad because they want to do DS, when they want to do DS… which really doesn’t make sense to me since all open world events run on a timer. It’s not a new idea. This has been around since the start.

Let’s look at this scenario (Not using realistic numbers). Let’s say there are 5 DS maps full of 50 players waiting for the reset (Meta to begin.) What essentially happens is these 250 players are spread out over more than 5 servers providing a small window to taxi in other players who are frantically making their way to DS. What I am saying, is if you arrive ahead of time you will have a 100% chance of being on a server since the server cap is much higher than the people you will see in a squad (usually.) I am saying that if you arrive late your odds are reduced as time goes by due to the fact that servers are filling quickly. You still have a chance to get in if you are late but it becomes less and less. If there was 500 people spread out over 10 servers waiting for DS to start then there would more than likely be much more than 10 servers actively participating in the DS meta. Since there is a window of time to taxi in players, this means that it should be no problem to instantly join your squad leaders server and go from there.

If I might ask, what is happening to you where you are missing out on the meta? Are you there ahead of time waiting in a squad? Timing is essential in this game and I can’t stress how much outside tools can be useful to any MMO.

Another thing I should add, obviously the odds are not 100%. Something could happen, somehow two squads could merge onto one map instantly filling, but I have never seen this happen and I doubt it happens more than a fraction of a percent of tries. If maps instantly filled then no would would be able to taxi in. Being part of a 50 man squad pre-meta gives you the advantage against those who are scanning LFG minutes after the meta began.

I’ve had a 100% success rate doing this, which is why I am here giving my advice. I offer no complaints, no negativity, but only what works for me. Thank you for being civil in this discussion.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Avarice.2791:

Manasa Devi.7958:

I wonder, does anyone actually believe that every last player can get into a good DS every time they try? There will never be anyone left on the sidelines, ever?

What if there are, say, 10 people left after all the others have filled up however many maps?

Those ten people will be forced to either try again later or taxi in, which is near impossible. I can tell you that if you show up on time for the meta, you will get in every single time. It’s the late comers and those who try to join midway through who are having trouble. This game is based off timed events which some don’t like, but that is simply how it is.

That doesn’t make sense. If there are 10 more people than it takes to fill all maps and everyone logged on at exactly the same time, you will have 10 people who… what? How are they going to do the meta?

Basically you can’t state it like that. What happens is around 20 minutes prior to the Meta beginning people start heading over to DS. People will group up at the first camp and usually (I’ve never experienced a group where someone doesn’t tag up) a commander will tag up and everyone will join on him. You’ll have like 50 or so people in a squad. No one here can tell you exactly how many servers this occurs on but I can speculate it’s at least a few. Then the map will reset and the squad is split up and tossed on different servers. Everyone then quickly joins up on the squad leader’s server and the meta begins. People rapidly taxi others in and the map fills within minutes.

The late comers who are not able to to make it on time will be thrown in multiple fresh map which is full of people trying to taxi onto an organized server. Rather than saying 10 people are out of luck it’s more like a couple hundred. They’re late for the meta therefore they are at a huge disadvantage if they take 15 minutes or so to try and organize a new map, which is why people usually don’t do that. This event runs on an in game clock so it’s important to be on time or better yet, early.

I think what doesn’t make sense is to you is the fact that you really can’t start an organized DS meta after the Meta has begun. The odds of success are not that great.

You might ask, well why not taxi into a DS meta that is organized and in progress? Well, in the back and forth between MadRabbit and I he is trying to advocate a solution (He thinks the Devs are going to read it lolol) to this despite the fact that what I am saying is completely unrelated to that. He is stretching the facts to promote his idea. The problem is that people who are running DS meta are really not that prone to disconnecting/randomly leaving. Throughout the entire meta you’ll only see a couple people go with multitudes of more people trying to taxi in. If you implemented a server search panel then this would only increase the multitudes of people trying to get in by quite a lot decreasing your odds of getting into an organized DS.

Manasa Devi.7958:

I wonder, does anyone actually believe that every last player can get into a good DS every time they try? There will never be anyone left on the sidelines, ever?

What if there are, say, 10 people left after all the others have filled up however many maps?

Those ten people will be forced to either try again later or taxi in, which is near impossible. I can tell you that if you show up on time for the meta, you will get in every single time. It’s the late comers and those who try to join midway through who are having trouble. This game is based off timed events which some don’t like, but that is simply how it is.

You need to stop crying on these forums man. Your first paragraph applies to you as well. I was simply showing how you aren’t all high and mighty in this discussion. You are saying things to attempt to get a response from me and it’s working because I’m not taking you’re close-minded crap. I get that you’re above everyone else but try to show some mortality occasionally.

You’re having difficulties joining the DS meta. I thought I might tell you how. Get over it, seriously. Every game forum has a guy who has something to complain about everything. If you think implementing a server pop panel where literally thousands of players are clicking join at the same time, have it at kiddo. I’m sure, as a “software engineer” you have all the testing and cost expectations ready for Anet. I hope you realize dev’s don’t read game forums like these. They’re not going to read our petty arguements and be like “omg this mad rabbit guy is onto something.” No, we are literally a nuisance on this thread, filling it up with some idiotic idea that doesn’t even relate to then OP.

You have like four threads I found complaining about some aspect of this game. I looked at your recent posts and all they are is arguing back and forth with other users. Why don’t you… Go play another game? Look at your signature. You’re an elitist prick who talks down on people while proposing ideas that won’t work for problems that don’t exist just for the sake of arguing. I feel sorry for you. From the sounds of it you’re not even that good at this game… I mean you couldn’t even figure out how to access the DS meta. I highly doubt you are a software engineer. It’s easy to talk big, but sorry… Your idea is garbage.

Want to test your idea? Go joins DS meta and party up wth a buddy. Wait 30 minutes then leave. See how many times you have to click join server before you get in. I’ve tried this a couple times when I missed the start of the meta. I’ll tell you that after half an hour or so it was no use. NOW, with your idea you’re increasing the magnitude of players clicking join by… You and I can’t say. Do you really think this is the solution? Hahahahaha… I didn’t care about you’re stupid idea but if you’re going to go down this route I’ll laugh all day., “Software engineer.”

Daniel.4763:

I like comments about “git gud” or “L2P” or “you’re just a bad player”. Reminds me of why I don’t got to the HOT maps: all of the caustic players congragate there.

Don’t let the community deter you from participating in HoT maps. You’ll find most of the elitests is in fractals and raids. The overall community in events really isn’t that bad.

OP, If you’re going to go on a rant about quitting the game because you were not able to complete an extremely easy mission that literally millions of other players (I assume seeing as there were 7 million accounts, possibly not active, at the release of HoT) were able to do… Well… Of course you’re going to get comments like that. There’s really no hope for the OP in this game if he is quitting after a couple tries in story mode. Harsh, but true.

I hear you. It seems the way they planned it was to have a different meta up constantly always providing the opportunity to participate. This doesn’t help though if it’s your aim to do DS and you’re 15 minutes too late. There’s really no solution to this though unless they nerfed it into the ground. Take Teq for instance. When they buffed the fight and rewards people were sitting on that map 30-45 minutes prior to it starting. This game simply works on a timer and there’s really no way around this that I can think of.

I’d tell you that unranked doesn’t matter, and to get a team for ranked… But I know that won’t fly by you. Even though the odds of getting one of those type of players is equal on both sides minus the odds of playing a premade team.

Actually if you got a team this would actually work towards you. Just saying. It’s good to see you fighting so many critical issues with this game at once!

Roxanne.6140:

Sorry for the interruption
/Interrupt: DS maps fill very quickly as there is only a small window between the end of one map run and the start of the other. So they aren’t really empty but this is very much similar to the accessibility some have been talking about and by some I really mean me.
If you are crashing in battle, I suggest for you to turn your graphics to the minimum. I don’t have chronic crashing problems on DS so far, thankfully.
/Interrupt

How polite

Yeah what I find is that if you show up 15 minutes prior to the maps resetting (even five minutes) you are gold. If you are able to find a group via LFG in the first few minutes of DS starting then you have a chance, but the odds go down every minute. If you want a sure fire opportunity to get into a DS meta group all you have to do is show up within this window… every two hours. The earlier the better.

The link may of gotten lost in the pointless argument so I’ll repost it to those who are curious on how to track HoT events.

http://dulfy.net/2015/11/09/gw2-hot-maps-timer-famme/

Dragon Stand is the purple bar. The light purple is the off-time (Times you are unlikely to find any open servers/or taxi’s.) If you show up prior to the dark purple part you will find a group no matter what. Just squad join with the tag prior to the map reset.

Ex. The next DS meta is at 7:30 PM (Central). Show up around 7:15-7:25 and I guarantee you will find a group. Show up any later and your odds go down.

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

I scanned this for any kind of halfway intelligent point to respond to, but I didn’t find anything.

I’m sorry, but you haven’t said anything halfway intelligent on this entire thread. Your entire argument is baseless. Each point you provide has no proof. Where’s the data?

I mean you’re a freaking software engineer and you can’t even figure this game out. Donno what to tell you buddy.

Congratulations, bro. You win. You have won the argument.

I knew I’d ware you down eventually. Want to be friends now?

Let’s be real. You know my advice is solid. I wouldn’t mind seeing your idea implemented for testing.

We are the best of friends, I assure you. I am going to spend the rest of the night rereading this and reflecting on how just how much you have won here.

Sore loser.

If you only knew.

Little do you know, I know you more than I know me. Sleep on that.

(I just got into another DS via my advice, use it!)

Look, bro, while I know you think are being some type of puppet master here, manipulating me into replying to you and all of that, the truth is I feel like a lot of the just awful arguments you have made have served as ways for me to bounce even better and more relevant points off of them.

On some level, engaging with someone who is just defending his hurt pride and willing to say anything just to be argumentative is usually a waste of time, I don’t think this was.
Even though we have argued over the course of two pages, within those pages, I think there is a lot of valuable information for Anet to read and consider as to why this tool badly needs a rework, particularly if they are going to continue to introduce maps like this.

But, at this point, your responses have just degraded to the point where there is nothing left for me to use to provide anything worth saying. So I am done.

I am not going to step down to the level of just calling you a stupid moron or asking if you are in high school or being deliberately obtuse in order to throw the discussion in an endless circle. I’m not going to go off topic and get into an overly technical discussion about scenarios like servers getting briefly loading and dropping transactions that cause some users to get disconnected while most don’t. I’m not here to win; I’m just here to make points as to why we need a better LFG tool for map metas.

How noble of you, you have done this community a service today. Thank you for the advice on how to better prepare yourself for the DS meta! Without that advice I had no idea how to get into a map that was actively participating! Thank you! -sarcasm-

Here I was thinking you were just complaining for the sake of complaining! Want to know what’s funny? Your pride is hurt as well, so that applies to you as well… You’re lying to yourself if you say otherwise. Don’t act like you’re higher than me. We don’t know each other. That’s not a valid way to act.

(You already stepped down to that level, bro. If you were here to make points you wouldn’t of replied to my advice. Most your posts were meant to degrade me on a topic I’m not even arguing for or against. It’s so pointless. I’m just advocating that there is a sure way to get into any meta, which is to show up on time……..

“It’s actually an incredibly difficult tool to use given what we are using it for and I probably know more about working with the DS meta in it’s current broken state then you do.”

“You are basically rationalizing away what is a crappy, clunky and flawed process of finding and participating in meta maps via using a tool not designed for the purpose of populating large maps with players, but rather joining a small group in a map instance they by random chance found themselves on. It can be worlds better than what it is and to negate that with a “Just deal with it” post is paying a disservice to every PvE player in this game.”

“I scanned this for any kind of halfway intelligent point to respond to, but I didn’t find anything.”

“While I know you lack the degree of security required to not take me simply stating that I have more knowledge of DS issues than you do as a personal insult”

“I am deeply sorry that my profane use of the word “kitten” has upset your delicate sensibility”

And while I am sure your degree helps you with your job fixing computers at best buy

No, I’m not rationalizing away what is crappy, clunky, and flawed. I’m giving advice on what has worked for me. If you were here to promote your own ideas you wouldn’t of created a pointless argument with me. The only reason you are here is to argue with me past your original post. Stop lying to yourself. When I replied to you I was simply trying to help. You didn’t need to demoralize me. Thanks again for your service to this thread. I can pull the same crap you are. All your arguments are awful, why? Because I say so. That’s all you’re doing. In reality you’re trying to introduce a system that has no testing but according to you it is guaranteed to work! I don’t even care about that, I’m not arguing for or against it, but in reality you provide content with no data to back it up. I provide advice with my own personal data to back it up. It’s really simple.

In my original reply to you, I was sincerely trying to help you. Anyways, moral of the story is you are on the same level as me. You’re not above, you’re not below.)

I have never missed a DS I showed up to before the meta began. End of Story.

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

I scanned this for any kind of halfway intelligent point to respond to, but I didn’t find anything.

I’m sorry, but you haven’t said anything halfway intelligent on this entire thread. Your entire argument is baseless. Each point you provide has no proof. Where’s the data?

I mean you’re a freaking software engineer and you can’t even figure this game out. Donno what to tell you buddy.

Congratulations, bro. You win. You have won the argument.

I knew I’d ware you down eventually. Want to be friends now?

Let’s be real. You know my advice is solid. I wouldn’t mind seeing your idea implemented for testing.

We are the best of friends, I assure you. I am going to spend the rest of the night rereading this and reflecting on how just how much you have won here.

Sore loser.

If you only knew.

Little do you know, I know you more than I know me. Sleep on that.

(I just got into another DS via my advice, use it!)

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

I scanned this for any kind of halfway intelligent point to respond to, but I didn’t find anything.

I’m sorry, but you haven’t said anything halfway intelligent on this entire thread. Your entire argument is baseless. Each point you provide has no proof. Where’s the data?

I mean you’re a freaking software engineer and you can’t even figure this game out. Donno what to tell you buddy.

Congratulations, bro. You win. You have won the argument.

I knew I’d ware you down eventually. Want to be friends now?

Let’s be real. You know my advice is solid. I wouldn’t mind seeing your idea implemented for testing.

We are the best of friends, I assure you. I am going to spend the rest of the night rereading this and reflecting on how just how much you have won here.

Sore loser.

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

I scanned this for any kind of halfway intelligent point to respond to, but I didn’t find anything.

I’m sorry, but you haven’t said anything halfway intelligent on this entire thread. Your entire argument is baseless. Each point you provide has no proof. Where’s the data?

I mean you’re a freaking software engineer and you can’t even figure this game out. Donno what to tell you buddy.

Congratulations, bro. You win. You have won the argument.

I knew I’d ware you down eventually. Want to be friends now?

Let’s be real. You know my advice is solid. I wouldn’t mind seeing your idea implemented for testing.

I scanned this for any kind of halfway intelligent point to respond to, but I didn’t find anything.

I’m sorry, but you haven’t said anything halfway intelligent on this entire thread. Your entire argument is baseless. Each point you provide has no proof. Where’s the data?

I mean you’re a freaking software engineer and you can’t even figure this game out. Donno what to tell you buddy.

Now, in case you were wondering, this is what an actual insult looks like. Perhaps you can print out and frame it and put it never to your monitor? You can look at it for reference anytime your feelings get hurt and you think you are being insulted to check to make sure you are.

You deserve it. Cry more.

While, once again, I understand that you don’t understand what an insult is and believe that the entire world revolves around you, once again, for the third time, I came here to point out the real problems and provide constructive suggestions. Sadly, you tried to negate those constructive suggestions and for me to accomplish my goal, I had to point out why you are wrong.

You made this assumption based off what? lmao “real problems”

And while I am sure your degree helps you with your job fixing computers at best buy, as a software engineer, it’s really just more complex than “It didn’t happen to me, so it doesn’t happen to anyone.”. Disconnects are just a reality of networking and have to be planned for in the design of your software as the factors that cause them are too plentiful.
Case in point, if I designed a system that had a transaction in which it’s atomicity extended over multiple network transmissions and a client disconnecting without finishing all transmissions resulted in data loss, I can assure you telling the client to “Fix his network. Tough kitten” would get me fired from my job.
I apply that same standard to an online video game that has an event that requires continued play over the course of an hour to receive rewards, but provides no reliable way to resume that event’s progress in the event of a single disconnect.

As a software engineer you must know how unlikely it is to personally disconnect due to problems not relating to your network.

Which you continue to treat as a static state that never changes. I contend that it’s not and the map’s populations are always in constantly in flux. The design of the tools makes finding those maps when they have openings very very hard.

Every full map has hundreds of players trying to taxi in at once. With your system this would increase by a lot… I’m sure you’re aware of this. I don’t really care though. Seriously. I don’t.

Thank you for acknowledging the fact that it’s not a 100% success overall and there is still glaring problems with your workaround. Which is what it is and the best that we have until we are provided tools.

Uhh… I can’t tell you what the success rate is for others. Obviously for you it is less than 100%.

Except that this can happen immediately after a reset, not after 10 minutes. It has on multiple accounts.

Proof? I’ve never once seen this…

Since your technical knowledge of just basic networking seems to be lacking, I can assure you that connection issues can orginate with the game server that have nothing to do with my personal network and yet, only result in me being disconnected.
But in fact, do know what to tell you. Disconnects are just part of an online game and if your game does have a way to handle and resume progress after a disconnect, it is very very flawed. Case, in point, we have no tool to handle this situation in DS which can be provided.

Dude that was the most technical explanation I’ve ever heard! I think I just learned more from you now than I did in my advanced networking class! Thank you so much!

I understand you perfectly. I’m glad we agree now that you workaround doesn’t always work for everyone, despite your personal luck.

Can you provide the proof to your claim when following my guidelines?

While I know you lack the degree of security required to not take me simply stating that I have more knowledge of DS issues than you do as a personal insult, I did not know my ability to print words on a forum thread gave me mind control powers that force you to continue to reply me.
But as long as you continue to reply to me with these horribly flawed and stupid points that try to detract from the merit of my suggestion, I am going to reply back.

I’m not making any points at all dood. Like literally lol

And I am having fun.

That’s weird…

And for all I know they didn’t, which means until somebody at Anet says otherwise, I think pushing my suggestion has value, given all the pros I have demonstrated.

So keep it in your thread or don’t reply to me pushing your point…? Seems like common sense… to some.

While, once again I understand that in your mind stating that I have more knowledge than you is a personal insult, I assure you it’s not and I have never once directly insulted you.
I can assure you that forums don’t require you to give advice to post on them. Given that many people have done that, I don’t feel I need to chime. Rather, I want to address and point out the real problem here which is bad tools.

I disagree, the problem is lack of knowledge on the tools that are currently available to us. I know though… tabbing out is challenging for you.

If Anet reads this and implements a better tool that improves the experience of players and allows them to find and participate in DS in easier ways then the work arounds you have suggested in your advice, I would say this has 100x more worth than just submitting workaround and telling anyone who trys to pose suggestions for improvement to stop complaining and deal with it.

If you think anet devs are going to read this thread and implement these changes based off of you… lol

Game dev’s rarely implement changes off of small threads. GW2 forum moderators read threads. I gotta ask, are you still in high school? Or just extremely ignorant.

This is kind of fun. I’m enjoying watching you write stuff out in large caps.

You are an absolute moron. You complain and cry. You have no place on this thread. You are what is wrong with game forums.

Your advice is equally unrelated since the OP’s question was looking to see if people had similar experiences, not asking for advice to fix this.

The OP literally said “Every time but once when I go to Dragon’s Stand in hopes of doing the Meta and explore for HPs all I find is a few other people on the map hoping for the exact thing.”

So why not reply with how to fix that? Why are you here again? To insult me for offering help?

Also, why should I go play another meta? What does me logging on late have to do with anything or even relevant to this discussion? Are you so oblvious to how computers work that you are unaware that disconnects can be caused by issues with the game server itself and not my personal network?

That’s why I don’t disconnect? It is extremely rare to disconnect due to the game server and if that happens it’s not just effecting you. Please tell me more about how I am oblivious to Computers when I have a bachelors degree in Computer Science. You’re probably an English major… if you even went to school.

Further more, why would any of this matter if we had a tool that allowed us to easily join or rejoin ongoing meta maps?

Because, the maps would be full……..

“Yes, I am the blockhead as you continue to repeat the same thing over and over again without addressing any criticisms about how it’s not a 100% success rate.”

100% success rate for me. I’ve never failed a DS. I’ve completed the meta about 100 times. I have never NOT gotten into the instance I was grouped up with.

“One, when the map resets, all players get booted and then sent to random instances, even if they are in the same squad. If player volume is high enough, the squad can then pick a map instance and begin taxing into it, only to realize after the fact that it doesn’t have enough space, therefore preventing a percentage of the players from joining. At that point, unless the entire squad is willing to jump map instances, the people who couldn’t get in are SoL and will have to find a new map instance, just like they would have if they have never showed up 15 minutes early.”

So let’s take the DS meta I just completed while arguing with you. We had about 50 people in a squad. The Map was full after the first WP was achieved. I’m sorry, if you can’t right click your squad leader in 10 minutes there’s something wrong with you.

“Two, even if people use this approach to get into a map at the start, it does nothing to address the issues of disconnects and losing all your participation.”

Disconnecting is a personal issue. I don’t know what to tell you champ.

“Now, you may have been fortune to have never experienced these events, but I have and therefore, based on my testimony, your system is not 100% successful.”

It has been 100% successful for me. I am sharing my advice on this thread. What don’t you understand. yeash.

“It’s good advice to deal with the current system, but saying the current system is fine and we don’t need improved tools is just silly at best.”

Which is why I’m here. I don’t need you insulting me. That’s the only reason I am still freaking replying to you. I don’t care about your system. Would it help for late arrivals/people who DC? Maybe if they are extremely lucky trying to join with the other 1000+ people clicking the join instance button. You have no insight on this and I do not either. Why are you trying to argue about something that

A: I do not care about

B: We have no insight on

For all you know they did think of something like this and it didn’t work.

Like I said, you insult me and complain about something without offering any advice. Tell me, who has more worth on this thread before our 25 posts of back and forth nonsense?

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

Sorry if that’s too difficult for you and your pointless solution. Pin 100’s of people together click spamming servers. Yesss

Are you at any point going to actually provide a counter argument to any of my points or just ramble on about how pointless it is for…reasons? Yes, click spamming servers is why we can’t have tools like this, because we…already have them for PvP Arena games and 100s of people do that every day to get into the ones for completing dailies? Wait, what?

Take every PvP server. Reduce those to 5-6. Now play. You’re comparing apples to oranges.

Follow my 3 step plan and you’ll never have to complain again!

Step 1: Look at timer
Step 2: Arrive before meta
Step 3: Win

Yes, as long as you plan your life around a video game to show up early for an event and at no point during that 1 hour event get disconnected due to any kind of network problem, you will never have any reason to complain again with your solid and flawless solution.

And you have no metrics at all to begin speculating as to whether or not introducing a system similar system in PvE would create an unreasonable amount of technical overhead. You don’t have that metrics, because the game does not give you that kind of insight. You are grasping for straws and making a counter argument that you can’t even support.

At least, my original argument alludes to it’s being plausible, because we have it in one facet of the game and it works with no issue.

Again, I don’t care about your original argument. I’ve stated this so many times. It has nothing to do with my advice. If you don’t have a few hours to play why are you even trying to get into DS? Go do another meta, there’s always one up. You obviously knew this though because you know more than me. Also, network… it’s really not the games problem. Fix it.

Step 1: Look at timer
Step 2: Arrive before meta
Step 3: Win

Also,
“And you have no metrics at all to begin speculating as to whether or not introducing a system similar system in PvE would create an unreasonable amount of technical overhead. You don’t have that metrics, because the game does not give you that kind of insight. You are grasping for straws and making a counter argument that you can’t even support.”

Applies to you as well fool. I DON’T CARE ABOUT YOUR SYSTEM, IT IS NOT RELATED TO THIS THREAD. KTHX

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

Sure, the game can be improved to your standards. Do you think I’m a dev? Who are you helping by posting here?

Listen guy. You started this pointless argument with me, you insulted me right off the bat when I am simply helping others. I’m just here trying to help. I don’t care if it’s too hard to tab out of your game to look at something like a timer. That’s your problem.

All right, you are either really obtuse or you are just trolling me and not actually interested in something coming out of this discussion.

“It’s actually an incredibly difficult tool to use given what we are using it for and I probably know more about working with the DS meta in it’s current broken state then you do.”

Should I list off all the kittens in your “discussions” as well?

I am deeply sorry that my profane use of the word “kitten” has upset your delicate sensibility, but if you could just…you know…focus instead on the actual arguments that are relevant to this discussion, we might get somewhere.

Because, so far, you have just ignored all of them so you can repeat over and over again how pointless it all is and how it can’t be improved without…you know…actually addressing all the ways I’ve listed that it can be improved.

Ugh you’re such a blockhead. I’m not even arguing against your idea. I really don’t care. You came in hot insulting me and throwing kittens left and right… poor kittens. I’m arguing that there is an extremely easy method RIGHT NOW for a 100% success rate of getting into DS. I don’t care if you find this inconvenient. I really don’t. I’m just here, trying to help.

Step 1: Look at timer
Step 2: Arrive before meta
Step 3: Win

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

Sorry if that’s too difficult for you and your pointless solution. Pin 100’s of people together click spamming servers. Yesss

Are you at any point going to actually provide a counter argument to any of my points or just ramble on about how pointless it is for…reasons? Yes, click spamming servers is why we can’t have tools like this, because we…already have them for PvP Arena games and 100s of people do that every day to get into the ones for completing dailies? Wait, what?

Take every PvP server. Reduce those to 5-6. Now play. You’re comparing apples to oranges.

Follow my 3 step plan and you’ll never have to complain again!

Step 1: Look at timer
Step 2: Arrive before meta
Step 3: Win

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

Sure, the game can be improved to your standards. Do you think I’m a dev? Who are you helping by posting here?

Listen guy. You started this pointless argument with me, you insulted me right off the bat when I am simply helping others. I’m just here trying to help. I don’t care if it’s too hard to tab out of your game to look at something like a timer. That’s your problem.

All right, you are either really obtuse or you are just trolling me and not actually interested in something coming out of this discussion.

“It’s actually an incredibly difficult tool to use given what we are using it for and I probably know more about working with the DS meta in it’s current broken state then you do.”

Should I list off all the kittens in your “discussions” as well? Madrabbit, hero of the people! He doesn’t offer advice, but he can sure complain about anything!

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

Sure, they could add in a list of instances while hundreds of players sit around clicking join repeatedly. I don’t care. This is really irrelevant. My point of posting on this thread was to offer advice on how to get into a DS meta EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Why are you here? To pick a fight with me? Sorry my system works and your system is a matter of slight convenience. I honestly don’t agree or disagree with you.

Don’t get all preachy on me, you opened with:

“It’s actually an incredibly difficult tool to use given what we are using it for and I probably know more about working with the DS meta in it’s current broken state then you do.”

Don’t insult me and expect me not to reply. I’m simply trying to help. You’re not.

I came here to highlight awareness of how broken the tool is and how it could be better so hopefully it will gain attention and Anet will eventually do something about it, making a better game for all of us.

Want to give advice? Give advice. Don’t respond to my post, decreeing that it’ really not a problem and everything is fine when you aren’t prepared to lose a debate when I begin to explain why that’s not the case.

Anet doesn’t fix things that are “really not a problem” and “just fine” and “simple” even though they objectively aren’t in comparison to the process for finding PvP Arenas.

Don’t respond to my advice, decreeing that it’s not a solution and everything is not fine. When you aren’t prepared to lose a debate when I begin to explain why that’s not the case.

Step 1: Look at timer
Step 2: Arrive before meta
Step 3: Win

Sorry if that’s too difficult for you and your pointless solution. Pin 100’s of people together click spamming servers. Yesss

Sure, the game can be improved to your standards. Do you think I’m a dev? Who are you helping by posting here?

Listen guy. You started this pointless argument with me, you insulted me right off the bat when I am simply helping others. I’m just here trying to help. I don’t care if it’s too hard to tab out of your game to look at something like a timer. That’s your problem.

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

Okay, so you’ve managed to write 5 paragraphs of nothing.

So there are 10 DS instances going. They’re all full. The rest are empty. You log on 30 minutes into the Meta and want to join the full instance,

What’s your solution? I still have yet to see anything but complaining. I’m offering the HOW to get into the meta 100% of the time. You’ve offered nothing in your original thread, and this thread, so entertain me.

Sure, we can start with the fact that you have no idea whether or not all the instances are full or whether or not there is even 10 is purely speculation on your part, because the tools provided give you no insight into this at all.

Joining a full instance is entirely dependent on you attempting to load into a map instance when you aren’t already anchored into one at the exact moment it has an open slot.

It’s also dependent upon on commander’s being aware that they have open slots and thus, start taxing again, which they have no way to do without taxing and someone telling them if it’s full.

This is why joining an instance after it’s started is so problematic.

If we…I don’t know…had a tool that listed all the map instances with their population sizes that we could just watch for an opening and then immediately join, you would have some chance of finding a map.

We already have this tool with PvP Arenas. You load up the game listings and all the arenas for dailies are full. You don’t just say “Oh well, time to go do something else”. You just wait a few minutes, refresh the listings and one eventually has an open spot.

You would, at least, have the chance to do the same thing with DS map instances if we had a similar tool. You just can’t, because it’s so insanely difficult to find and join an ongoing map due to having bad tools.

Sure, they could add in a list of instances while hundreds of players sit around clicking join repeatedly. I don’t care. This is really irrelevant. My point of posting on this thread was to offer advice on how to get into a DS meta EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Why are you here? To pick a fight with me? Sorry my system works and your system is a matter of slight convenience. I honestly don’t agree or disagree with you.

Don’t get all preachy on me, you opened with:

“It’s actually an incredibly difficult tool to use given what we are using it for and I probably know more about working with the DS meta in it’s current broken state then you do.”

Don’t insult me and expect me not to reply. I’m simply trying to help. You’re not.

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

Hey, and if you need to sit around and wait for DS to pop up again its a good thing each zone is on a different time rotation for the metas! Go do another meta, do another, then come back to DS BEFORE it starts. This is how it works. There’s no arguing this. There is no system around this. You are not offering solutions. Try running triple trouble with TTS. It doesn’t matter how many times you complain that the servers are full. If they are full they are full.

Except that I have. There is, in fact, a better system for this. There is, in fact, a solution. I laid out the outlines for that in the post you were too busy arguing against to read. I made a more detailed outline of how the tool can work to solve these issues in another post that never got much traction.

And whenever an argument you are making about a video game I am playing for fun that attempts to explain the positive merits of “sitting around and waiting for something I want to do”, particularly when I could be doing it with better tools, you have already lost.

Hey I’m not the one sitting around making forum posts full of swearing over a system that works perfectly fine.

Okay, so you’ve managed to write 5 paragraphs of nothing. You call this discussion pointless. Well that is because you are raising no points…

So there are 10 DS instances going. They’re all full. The rest are empty. You log on 30 minutes into the Meta and want to join the full instance,

What’s your solution? I still have yet to see anything but complaining. I’m offering the HOW to get into the meta 100% of the time. You’ve offered nothing in your original thread, and this thread, so entertain me. Do you think third party timers/utilities are a new thing to this game? You must be new… to mmo’s in general.

Are you advocating raising the player cap per map? Do you understand the implications of this? Do you not like the fact that each map is on a set timer? Do you realize this is an opinion and it really doesn’t lessen the playability for 99% of the player base? It’s my opinion that if the Metas were not on a set timer that things would get a lot more difficult. At least there is an extremely easy to use timer to track where you need to go… when…. rather than starting every map from scratch, going through the 90 minutes of pre-meta events, to FINALLY get to the meta. It would be like DS on every map PLUS you have to taxi in rapidly to get a full map… which again leads to first come… first serve.

Hey, and if you need to sit around and wait for DS to pop up again its a good thing each zone is on a different time rotation for the metas! Go do another meta, do another, then come back to DS BEFORE it starts. This is how it works. There’s no arguing this. There is no system around this. You are not offering solutions. Try running triple trouble with TTS. It doesn’t matter how many times you complain that the servers are full. If they are full they are full.

MadRabbit.3179:

Avarice.2791:

You sound angry. While I read you angry post I was able to join a DS group without issue. Like literally… right now. I have never once used LFG to find a DS meta group… so I would say no…

You don’t know more about the meta than me.

The difference between you and I? You complain, I offer advice.

What you offer is workarounds while effectively writing off the real problem as being just fine, which it’s not. Just the issue alone of getting back into a map you have developed a high participation percentage on after a disconnect is enough to warrant a better tool with a better user experience.

The fact that you arrive to every DS meta 15 minutes early only to stand around and wait in squad for you to get killed, then get sent to a random instance of a map where you then reload and then try and use the squad tool to reload again so you can get on the same map instance with all the other squad members who got sent to random instances as well doesn’t mean that process is even close to “ideal”.

And if you don’t actively plan your life’s schedule around a video game and log in 30 minutes after DS has started, then you are completely SOL.

What would be “simple” would be a tool that lists all the map instances and their current progress so you can just select one that is ongoing and has spots and just join.

The problem with this is these instances are full. This is why you need to look at the timers that outside sources such as dulify provides and COME PREPARED. It’s first come first serve. Sorry big guy.

“The way the map handles resets removes any pre-meta planning. You can form up and join tags, but the map reset splits everybody up and sends them to random instances. It’s common for only half of a squad to get back into the same map before it’s full due to all the other random players dropped in who weren’t in the squad.”

Right click squad leaders name, join map instance.

“The full reset, the timer and the duration it takes to complete it creates this mad rush at the start of a reset to get into a map. Map fill up very quickly and it’s common to join multiple groups in LFG only to find the map full and you suffering a penalty for joining too many groups.”

These people are trying to join the meta in progress. Be prepared. There is plenty of time to taxi in with your squad.

“Groups fill up so fast that you can click join, but not actually get in the group and still get hit with a penalty if you joined. I’ve been locked out of LFG for so long that I couldn’t get into a map.”

Don’t use LFG, why are you using LFG?

“Once that initial rush is finished, if you failed to get in a map, you are SOL to some extent. Grabbing a new instance and starting to organize is difficult since the pool of players looking for maps is small at that point. Your main chance is just watching LFG for a random organized map who needs to taxi in a few players due to disconnects, but those are rare. Usually, you just don’t see DS being advertised in LFG until the next reset in two hours.”

You weren’t prepared. Please come back 1 hour and 45 minutes later.

“Speaking of disconnects, you have a meta that takes a minimum of a hour to complete and if you get disconnected out of squad, you have no chance of getting back in. Even if you disconnect in squad, the map can still taxi in more people and you won’t be able to get back in, because it’s full.”

I don’t know what to tell you. If you are prone to disconnects then try plugging in with an ethernet cable. If you are not able to do this then you maybe need to consider a different option.

You sound angry. While I read your angry post I was able to join a DS group without issue. Like literally… right now. I have never once used LFG to find a DS meta group… so I would say no…You don’t know more about the meta than me. Also commanders shouldn’t be the ones to taxi people in. Food for thought.

The difference between you and I? You complain, I offer advice.

I mean I can’t make it more clear. Join the map 15 minutes prior. Join a squad. It is so simple it isn’t worth complaining about. The amount of kittens in your post…

ekarat.1085:

Avarice.2791:

How to get on a DS map 100% of the time: (Seriously I’ve done it about 50-60 times and never missed a single one)

Go to dulfy’s HoT timers. (Google HoT gw2 timer)
Arrive on DS about 15-20 minutes prior to the map closing
75% of the time there is someone tagged up so squad join with them and simply wait
If there is no one with a tag (haven’t experienced this yet myself) then try LFG

Seriously, you won’t miss a single DS meta. If you’re trying to show up for a DS past the timer then you’re doing it wrong. This means you need to be there BEFORE the meta begins (map resets.) The DS meta usually lines up pretty well with the end of the Auric Basin meta. I’ll usually run that then go directly to DS and effortlessly find a group. Good luck!

And to the people saying it needs to be organized, this is false. I have never once joined a DS that was using TS and I have never been on a map that had failed. As long as you get there before the Meta begins you are solid gold.

I think squadjoin must be essential. I’ve gone before the map closes several times, only to be kicked to an empty map when the event starts. Then I have to use LFG to get into the map everyone else got to.

It really is, about half the time I join a squad I’m kicked into a separate map from them as well. What guarantees you a spot is the ability to join on each other placing 40-50 people on a map right at the start. You have a 5-10 minute window before the map completely fills. I think a lot of the complaints in this post are originating from people who are trying to join AFTER the meta has begun resulting in leftover maps and people trying to put stuff together at the last minute.

http://dulfy.net/2015/11/09/gw2-hot-maps-timer-famme/

Here are the timers, if anyone was curious.

MadRabbit.3179:

It’s just incredibly deficient tools. If LFG had a tool that would list map instances with information like population, current map meta progression, world boss timers and notes posted by commanders explaining what kind of map or community event they were leading, it would be a totally different game.

They mentioned they were working on LFG tool for content patch, but I have an inkling suspicion that is just going to be add a Raids category. I’m not going to be surprised to see a content patch totally focused on Raids with nothing for the rest of the game.

Open world seems to fit this category well. It’s not like open world LFG is flooded with over 100 posts. It’s really not that difficult of a tool to use.

If you are struggling with the DS meta then read my post above yours.

It’s really pretty simple. If you’re trying to join a DS that is currently in progress on the meta then you are simply waiting for someone to leave/disconnect. This will greatly reduce your odds of getting in the map, obviously. To get past this you simply need to be prepared, and join a map BEFORE the meta begins.

How to get on a DS map 100% of the time: (Seriously I’ve done it about 50-60 times and never missed a single one)

Go to dulfy’s HoT timers. (Google HoT gw2 timer)
Arrive on DS about 15-20 minutes prior to the map closing
75% of the time there is someone tagged up so squad join with them and simply wait
If there is no one with a tag (haven’t experienced this yet myself) then try LFG

Seriously, you won’t miss a single DS meta. If you’re trying to show up for a DS past the timer then you’re doing it wrong. This means you need to be there BEFORE the meta begins (map resets.) The DS meta usually lines up pretty well with the end of the Auric Basin meta. I’ll usually run that then go directly to DS and effortlessly find a group. Good luck!

And to the people saying it needs to be organized, this is false. I have never once joined a DS that was using TS and I have never been on a map that had failed. As long as you get there before the Meta begins you are solid gold.