Ever heard of stun-breaks, dodging or having an oh skritt button??? Ya didn’t think so..
Wait just a minute.. You’re complaining about 15 lines of warding and 11 static fields LOLOL What they running all guardians and eles?
Another over exaggerated post from another player that can’t seem to live without having stability up all the time…
I bet you dont play melee class, right?
Bet you are wrong
https://youtu.be/w-Ztmr9tWbI
This video has nothing to do with the topic, and btw (just a friendly advice) try to avoid showing.
Ever heard of stun-breaks, dodging or having an oh skritt button??? Ya didn’t think so..
Wait just a minute.. You’re complaining about 15 lines of warding and 11 static fields LOLOL What they running all guardians and eles?
Another over exaggerated post from another player that can’t seem to live without having stability up all the time…
I bet you dont play melee class, right?
With the new map, will you change the scoring system from PPT to PPK, or will be a mix of both?
I don’t see why loosing a couple of gvg players would be an impact on the game.
They ate up slots on the maps, unless they were exclusively meeting in OS, so their home-servers can actually be happy to get more ppt willing players.
And since the meta shifted and they refuse to adapt, their outdated knowledge / skills are also not a big loss for the community-hivemind as well.
There was literally nothing of value lost.New people will emerge to continue abusing wvw for a game-mode that was never planned / supported in that manner, so you most likely don’t have to wait more than 2-3 weeks to turn on twitch for new streamers to entertain you, or annoy your current map-population by spectating directly and blocking slots on it.
Nothing really has changed.I don’t think you understand where your WvW community is at. It’s not entirely in-game and it’s not the pugs you were running with mindlessly following the pugmander. Many servers have their on TS servers, their own server community sites and there’s even a generally WvW site that many dedicated WvW’ers go to check out the match up threads.
Do you participate in any of these? or are you just one of those people who say they are part of WvW community just cause they play in WvW, cause you’re missing out.
TS and Forum moderator for my Server’s WvW community. Our guilds are mainly PPT focused. We also have guilds that engage in GvG’s to off-times in OS, still they generally raid in favor for PPT as well. Our community is open and tolerant to everybody and simply focuses on getting along and supporting each other.
We had a guy in past who tried to recruit top-players from all these guilds to raise his very own GvG project, which resulted in nothing but drama, and him eventually transferring away. After that the community just continued to prosper and grow even larger.
So yea, seeing GvG-only guilds leaving the game and the GvG scene getting smaller and smaller is good news for the actual majority of WvW players.edit: GvG’s in general would be a fun game-mode, but as it is currently, it’s not supported by a-net and the way the current GvG communit y organizes itself leeches on a game-mode that was simply not intended for this kind of play, which also disrupts the WvW experience of those who play WvW for its intended purpose: PPT.
So unless A-net provides a actual solution for the current situation with HoT or future expansions, my opinion stays as described above.
Are you from FSP [TT] guild?
Please guys, since you all come here and comment on stability changes, at least write what classes are you play mainly.
Because my suspicions are, that most of you have never played this game as melee.
After reading this thread I could not help but respond. The new map looks awesome and so much to do for so many different types of groups.
Anyone on here that is complaining are 99% the players who complain about everything unless they one push a zerg. The map isn’t even out yet and people are complaining based off of a total of 5 minutes of footage and 1 presentation by the Devs. If you are so easily scared of being knocked off then learn to play? I have gone into EOTM many times as a pugmannder, skill group, and just roamer and it is really not hard to NOT get knocked off. Just learn to actually pay attention.
As for everyone who is complaining about not being able to do anything as a roamer, chances are all you do currently is hide near spawns to try to snipe people and think your pro when you get 3 hits off before they can adjust and counter.
I am excited for the new map for no other reason than I am hoping that some of the complainers quit the game and a new breed of WvW arises that makes full use of the map and really takes WvW to a whole new level of coordination and intensity. Not sit on forums and in spawns complaining that they don’t have enough room to run at another group or that they were too stupid to see a fear line or a necro sitting above them waiting for them to come at them.
To Shadows Creed
Funny, but to me looks like 99% of the people who think this map is “awesome” are EOTM pugmanders like you, Sir.
As for the map
Shortly after the officially announced HoT expansion, in some website (i dont remember which one, maybe even here) Anet devs told us how they learn from they mistakes, how they learn from EOTM huge fail. Then I said to myself, ok thats great news, lets wait and see. Couple weeks ago i saw the first advertising video, and i said to myself, again – cant be only this, lets wait some more. But today i saw the 2nd video + some interview.
And, Oh God what a beautiful map, we got all in one place, deserts, oasis, jungles, cracks in the ground, lava, lava rivers, lava pools, jumping puzzles, sPVP, more sPVP, PVE, new type of mobs to kill, dinosaurs, YEEEY (who doesnt love dinosaurs), air dodging, rock mazes, ABSOLUTLY everything – for dungeon map.
Awesome dungeon map, prob the best i have ever seen.
WvWvW = fights between players???, or i am wrong
Where is the battle in all this. Environment will prob kill 70% of the people before they even have the chance to met some enemys..
This map + stability Nerf, WvWvW will become the most boring part of GW2.
One huge range blob. Why do you think Guardians are getting bows for new weapon (Guard with bow, makes 0 sense, but, hey who cares, few PvEr are QQing for bow and condi Guard in the past 2 years )
Now i know, Anet will never ever gonna take WvWvW seriously. They will do everything they can to push away The Hartcore WvWvW players.
As Anet told us, long time ago, WvWvW is for casual players to use sieges from time to time. Thats all.
WvW Forum Specialist must be selected by WvW community, someone we believe, someone who spends at least 70% of his time in WvW, not some random person / with all due respect Marmatt.8590 / who barely set foot in WvW.
You’re so far away from the problems that WvW players have over the past two years, some of them date back to the beginning.
You will never be able to tell what is important for us and what is not, as I will never understand the problems of PvE and sPvP players simply because I do not play those two game modes.
Different skins for siege weapons is very very important issue.
Good start.
Ok, i don’t care about PvE or sPvP, and i could care less for LW, i play only WvW.
WvW only gonna get one new map, added to the old 3 BLs + EBG, and the whole “HYPE GvG is finally coming” was one big misunderstanding, so we are screwed once again?
As usual we get less then any other GW2 game mode.
So, Anet, please explain to me why do i have to spend my money for your expansion, what i get from it as a WvW player?
5v5? 5v5 GvG? Seriously? That’s what they call GvG, what’s the difference from sPvP we already have, only because these 5 people can be from the same guild?
After two and a half years of “not posting doesn’t mean we not listening” they came up with this? Obviously they didn’t hear/read a word from this forum, now we know this for sure. Ask me if im gonna buy this …….
I don’t know what to do, to laugh or cry.
I’ve seen a few people walking around with the Ultimate Dominator title, so it’s clearly not an impossible task, but thinking about much these folks must have played WvW over the past 2,5 years makes my head spin. My progression towards being an Ultimate Dominator is little over 24% right now and I play WvW on a tier 1 server quite often.
Ultimate Dominator and that’s it, show me someone else with any of the other titles.
I’m not sPvP fan, and do not know how things are there, but as huge WvW fan I can say that both pictures were taken on Friday, a few minutes after the reset.
So do not draw conclusions of them, its always like this on reset night.
If yall havent already seen this:
http://www.pcgamer.com/guild-wars-2-heart-of-thorns-interview/#page-2they talk a fair amount about what they mean when they say they’re making defense more important.
I’ll quote the nugget that I found to be the most informative here:
" Towers are located at chokepoints in the new borderland map, and have walls around them that guard those chokepoints, so holding a tower actually helps you control movement in the map. It helps you prevent enemy armies from making quick assaults on your keeps. There are shrines that you can take, and the more shrines you hold, the more abilities that become available to your world around your keep, so defending your home becomes easier the more shrines that you hold. It becomes more important to hold each of those strategic locations. "
I think this isn’t the apocalypse that some people feel it will be – they’ve just done a better job of designing a map
One moment, please, so we won’t get 3 new and different looking BL maps, but the same 3 old BL + one new map, added to the rotation to already existed / old / maps???
There is one very simple thing Anet can do and this will fix many of the problems. No WvW before lvl 80, this will fix both PvE and WvW.
But as we all know Anet are pretty narrow-minded, greedy and have the gift not to see the problems that are right under nose noses.
EOTM was looking pretty sweet too at the start, and look what happen.
So, after two and a half years massive and free PvE and SPvP updates and little ones for WvW (they only update their lies), when you finally have prepared something for us, we WvW players have to pay real money for this privilege.
Can not happen.
Maybe next WvW update will be after two and a half – three years on the second expansion. HYPE
The only thing that makes me happy is that the only Dev, who has never lied WvW community and always took care of us is back and posts in the forum.
Thank you.
Are you really playing your Guard with this build and this set of gear?
And you enjoy it?
This is the first time in which SFR is accused of hacking, but if I remember correctly FSP has a rich history associated with this problem, perhaps some of your hackers immigrated to SFR, together with many others? Feel free to take them back at any time.
Why should we, this is Anet job, we are here to play the game, not to stay 1-2-3 hours in some structure watch a empty wall, because Anet have been lazy for two and a half years.
About removing white sword, huge fail, non-stop ktrain just like EOTM, i tried to play today for hour-hour and half, and i end up with 26-27 Champ bags and 11 Heavy Loot Bag. We all know what this means.
That they’ll nerf Champ bags?
I met more NPCs than people, in T2 EU primetime?
Where is my best friend lordkrall.7241, I want to hear what he thinks on this issue, because he is the only one here with deep knowledge for WvW matters?
About removing white sword, huge fail, non-stop ktrain just like EOTM, i tried to play today for hour-hour and half, and i end up with 26-27 Champ bags and 11 Heavy Loot Bag. We all know what this means.
That’s your WvW problem guys, one word???
Who cares, there are lot more problems that need to be fix, and you make a post for one word?
I’m wondering, how many of you that are saying, removing white swords its ok, because all you have to do is to have few scouts here and there, so how many of you are willing to stay in one tower/ keep for 1-2-3 hours and are you agree to do this every day?
I need more badges. Some of us arent too lazy to spend them on siege and theres infusions to buy.
You can buy infusions with badges only? Since when?
I don’t really think there is anything in that post that refers to being able to buy infusions with ONLY badges. You can however buy them for 125 badges and 5 laurels.
Thank you. I do not know what I would do without you!!!
I need more badges. Some of us arent too lazy to spend them on siege and theres infusions to buy.
You can buy infusions with badges only? Since when?
I have 40k+ badges, i definitely need more.
Thanks a lot.
I tend to visit WvW at least a couple of times each week. You claimed that there had been absolutely nothing for WvW for 2,5 years. Which is quite clearly factually incorrect, as seen by the very list you quoted.
The fact that they are not exactly as you want them does not mean they were not added. It just goes to show that the players here usually don’t have a clue about what they actually want.
Why i’m even trying …
LIke i’m reading Devon Carver interview, 1 to 1
So, that’s why they decided to do absolutely nothing for almost two and a half years??? If they only listen the players suggestions,that means they have 0 vision for WvW, players suggestions are here to help Anet not to show the path.
Yes the players suggestions are mixed, but that’s only because Anet failed to give the same this players direction for they suggestions, by not sharing anything with us, how we can focus our suggestions if they don’t give us something to focus on?
Either they don’t know what to do or they not even trying to do anything, take a guess.Why do people always ignore all the changes/additions to WvW when they talk about development?
Claiming we have had absolutely nothing for WvW is blatant lying.
We have gotten changed borderlands.
We have gotten a progression system.
We have gotten additions to said progression system.
We have gotten a completely new map.
We have gotten a overhauled queuing system.
We have gotten new ways to fight and defend.All these things have been added based on feedback of the players. Claiming that is absolutely nothing is ridiculous.
Are you for real real? Which game are you playing, when was the last time you visit WvW, and when was the last time when you visit EOTM? Sometime, when i see you posting in here, i wonder, don’t you feel lonely in this subforum?
Do you know how many people got suspended, because of you?
People always seems to be under the impression that everything can be solved by just throwing more money at it. That is rather often not the case.
Another thing to keep in mind is that based on these forums alone there are many different suggestions and several of them goes against each other. So which ones should they go with? Which ones are even possible to do without basically rewriting the game?
So, that’s why they decided to do absolutely nothing for almost two and a half years??? If they only listen the players suggestions,that means they have 0 vision for WvW, players suggestions are here to help Anet not to show the path.
Yes the players suggestions are mixed, but that’s only because Anet failed to give the same this players direction for they suggestions, by not sharing anything with us, how we can focus our suggestions if they don’t give us something to focus on?
Either they don’t know what to do or they not even trying to do anything, take a guess.
I predict the removal of white swords will weed out all the wvw players who do not care about ppt or helping their server become better.
personally I like to scout, and my server uses voice-chat. I already call out where the enemy is and what structures are under attack. the removal of white swords will only force me to be more quick and intelligent about where to scout. map awareness is key, you dont need white swords to predict where the enemy will strike.
scouting will become more useful, those who say scouting isnt rewarding are just longing for the wrong types of rewards. the greatest reward is helping your server and climbing to the top. if you called out an inc, disabled siege until help arrived and ultimately saved the structure, the ppt and praise from your server is your reward.
My hero.
Basically PPK it’s good idea, but without PPT, you just can’t have them both at the same time, this is stupid.
Rin.1046 – No matter what we do, or what we say Anet killed WvW in 3 steps, 1st – step was when they removed the Orb and fail to replaced with something else, this was a huge mistake, 2nd step – removing the the Match-up forum, that killed the WvW spirit, the lack of reward / and i dont mean the personal reward / but the final reward, the BIG reward, like if you win this week your whole server wins “THIS”, and im not talking about + 200 MF or some other s__t that Anet like to give from time to time, but something that worth to fight for, in someway that reward was Match-up forum, the drama and the intrigue, that was what makes people coming back for more.
3th step – Megaserver a.k.a MegaBS, before MegaBS all we had to fight for was our server names, now with the MegaBS none gives kitten for his server, thats why, this days every one stack on one server, the "TOP"one.
So, again, no matter what we do or what we say, WvW is broken to the point that cant be fix, no events, no escorts, no balance, nothing can fix it, and if someone thinks, that Anet are going to lift even one finger to try, Man, i feel sorry for him, all the money you spent in Gem store will go E-sport reward, not a single dime gets to WvW. If you ask me the whole https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv is waste of time, nothing will ever come out from here, just a empty words, and frankly i’m very surprised that WvW forum still exist and they didn’t removed with same excuse they removed the Match-up forum / very toxic /.
But, hey, if you wanna practice your typing skills and you dont have any better things to do, please keep trying. I wish you to have a luckier than thousands of others before you.
Just a little tip for Anet, if they read this thread, i hope they do. After AA fail, alot of players/guilds are coming back, good guilds, big guilds with alot of players. If you guys have anything to announce, or to give us some info about WvW future, now is the moment to do so, IF, you want to make this players stick around, if not, this is just the next prove, that you really dont care that much about WvW.
Rin, man, you put so much work into this / which is amazing, not joking /, so much stuff to do, so many events, so much running around, dealing with supplies, escorting dolyaks, geez im already tired, before i even started. If they implement all your ideas, we are going to be soooo busy that there wont be any time left for some fights, just like in PvE or EOTM / i’m sorry, i know you gonna say again that i’m negative /. But seriously Rin, you guys – the PvE players – you have the whole game for you, even EOTM that was suppose to be a WvW map, on the other hand we – the WvW players – all we have are 4 maps and 3 of them looks exactly the same.
Again, your ideas are less fights more “escorting”. Why???, dont you already have enough of this? You wanna introduce WvW to the PvE players, why??? They had 2+ years for this, if they didn’t like it at the first time they never will. We dont need new PvE players in WvW, we need the old WvW players back, all the guilds that left, all that Anet had to do is to listen / not for everything, ofc / but for few things, like GvG, we literally beg them for GvG, guess what happen, even after they saw the growing GvG community, they did absolutely nothing.
Please dont try to adjust WvW for PvE players, try to make WvW better for the WvW players.
Again, thanks a lot for all the thoughts and work you put into this post.
For more then 2 years all we try to do here in this forum is to have some kind of conversation with Anet, we try with good, we try with bad, we have been civilized, we have been uncivilized, we try with anger, nothing works. From my experience, talking with Anet its like talking with radio or empty wall.
Totally pointless.
What you suggest its not more tactical and strategic, what you suggest its less PvP and more PvNPCs. Like i said thanks, but no, thanks.
The beauty of WvW is the human factor, find a way to encourage people to stop hiding in towers/keeps building billions ACs, but to come out and fight.
Yes towers and keeps should be important, but not that important, yes towers and keeps Lord should be hard to kill, and yes you shouldn’t be able to damage gates with players weapons. There’s a lot of stuff Anet can do, and all this stuffs are here, on this forum, we just need some Dev to read them, and start working, obviously this is not going to happen, at least not any time soon,
But trust me more PvE/PvNPCs its not the answer.
Rin please don’t open this door. More PvE on WvW??? Thanks, but no, thanks.
Every thing you ask for, you already have, try EOTM and Silverwastes, otherwise we gonna lose the last remaining real WvW players/guilds.
And please before you come here and post ideas like this one, think about, why we have 2 or 3 different game modes, PvE, PvP and WvW, lets keep them separated
One quick thing Anet could do to revitalize WvW is almost embarrassingly simple. They could redecorate. Leave the mechanics as is, but make everything look different, including the wildlife. It would cause a stampede of PvE people.
They’ve used this in other parts of the game. I hope the idea would be to make the landscape look better instead of worse, the way it has gone, tho.
They’ve done this somewhat before during the first year Halloween and Wintersday, but they never decided to bring it back.
It would be be great for at least break some of the visual monotony and it wouldn’t be as difficult as making new maps. But, considering this has been mentioned to them time and time again and that it seems they’ve abandoned the WvW section now that the majority of people have put their pitch forks down from the drama a little while back, I don’t think we’re going to see it happen.
They never bring it back, because none of the WvW players ever want all this pve events, in WvW maps, back then this created a huge queue and WvW maps full with clueless pve players. Took us a year of constant writing in this forum so we can finally get this pve events out from WvW.
I’m on SFR from the start, and trust we never want that, not even for minute, not even when SFR was middle population server and we had hard time fighting VIZ mindless blob, day and night. When we SFR become EU #1 server we were still middle population server and when Anet open transfer to us, we were literally in shock.
So don’t blame SFR for Anet mistakes.
SFR become what is now, because Anets endless greediness.
Anet create this problem, all this is Anet fault, they choose to ignore WvW for 2 long years.
I hope i’m wrong, coz i love WvW, but i don’t think this can be fix, not without some very drastic measures.
We’ll live to see, i hope.
What are you expecting guys, i’m quite sure that 80% of the Devs that was part of Adopt-a-Dev this is their first time playing WvW.
They just don’t have dedicated WvW team, if they do, they wont come up with this kind of ideas.
The truth is, WvW can’t be fix, not with this Devs and not the way they try to do it, piece by piece.
Every time they try to fix one thing, they break other two.Anet should hire 4 or 5 guys with PvP and Open world PvP experience because right now they don’t have even one.
They should get rid of PPT sistem completely and to think of something new, something that can keep the drama between the servers, no drama=people get bored /removing the Match-up forum was HUGE mistake/.
Fixing WvW takes full shut down, and start over with people who know what they are doing, but i dont think, this is going to happen, ever.
One more thing, Anet alway say how hard is to find a way to reward the people who are scouting towers and keeps, actually its very easy, put an option on the tower/keep Lord, you go to the Lord you talk with him and he gives you buff /like count down/ 2 people per tower, 4 people per keep thats the max number of people that can scout at the same time per object, but put an area around the object if they leave this area they lose the buff.Afer they are done scouting they go back to the Lord they talk with him again and lets say they have scout this object for 1 hour for this 1 hour they take X amount of experience, X amount of gold/silver, X amount of something else whatever you like to give em more.
I don’t know if someone else came up with this idea, but i think it’s easy and doable, i also love to see some comments from both players and Devs.
Suggestion to the Devs, you should do this Adopt-a-Dev once every /lets say/ 4 months for 1 week, so you can always be “UpDated” of what’s going on at WvW and what the problems are.Reading the forums its must , but its always better to see it on your own, also like many people say it here, join the low population servers, because they have different kind of problems.
Don’t waste your time, Anet devs never knew what the word ( Communication ) means.
Lets help em.
Amazing season, i played total 40 min for the whole 4 weeks, what happened at the end?, im kind avoiding this game since Anet don’t give a crap.
Oh nvm i guess we won, again.
Deniara Devious.3948
I’m sorry, but how all your complaints are related to SFR???
Deso is a huge server, where are your players?
How is SFR fault that Deso prefer PvE then WvW?
And why the hell noone told me that we are paying for scouting?
I dont know from where this myth came, “WvW players dont buy gems”.
Trust me, a lot hardcore WvW players buying gems, and not with gold but with real money.
I cant believe, that people are still coming to WvW forum to QQ because Anet didnt give em something to grind. I dont get it, in the other subforums you can find alot of PvE players complaining about how much they have to grind for gear, materials, etc, etc -“You Anet promised at the launch, no grinding, what happen?”. And when for once they give you something without any grind, you complaining again? I believe the truth is a bit different, since WvW is the very last priority (last 2 years prove this) and just before so call Big September Feature Pack, they just didnt have the time to come up with something better.
Dont worry next season they will be plenty of achievements to do. Probably till then they will be only PvErs left in this game and WvW will be like eotm.
Just have some patience.
I think the previous achievements were way too much grinding. The new achievements are close to the same as not even having achievements.
A better solution is something in the middle. 25 events each week would be a good middle ground.
Ok, tell me whats the difference for the PvE players, if they going to do the achievements for 1 min or for 1 day?
Till today everything was ok for me, today im getting d/cd every 10-15min no matter where i am.
And for sure its not my internet connection or my PC.