Guild Wars 2

Make this happen ANet, I will love you forever.

pot.6805:

Shifty.4985:

pot.6805:

Azure.8412:

Traejan.1729:

Fuzzion.2504:

Dear SoR and BG, please do not abuse DB too much

DB is holding their own quite well. Their capture of SoR garrison on reset night seems to have demoralized the fair-weather players on SoR.

SoR doesn’t get demoralized.

Are you serious? LOL!

Very serious

Are you Azure? I asked him, pretty funny that you answered.

SoR actually consists in only one person using an advanced setup of bots and macros, both for playing and posting on forums.

Very nice.

Can you make one of this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6-gZw2tog

Zhrek.9781:

Man, the Gif’s this week was the best thing going for this thread, and the Mods lock it, how lame. Guess its back to reading the same arguments over and over and over and over.

and over……

I found the gifs amusing as well. What a pity.

Liquid.9672:

At what point does a joke/troll jump the shark? I’ll be waiting anxiously.

Ohhh, and that reminded me, welcome to SoR everyone from The [Fonz], you guys are cool.

With the new NA, SEA, african and middle eastern guilds joining T1, we will finally have a balanced match.

It’s everyones game now and salamlay?ram, u?urlar var.

SoR’s evil master plan of trowing away matches was discovered. What a naive server to underestimate the smarts of our forum detectives. But now it is over, you were caught. Give it back all those precursors you have gained by betting on BG in the black market. Admit your crimes or face judgment by trolling.

In a more serious note, congratulations on the win BG, it was hard fought.

LilMcGinley.3890:

More guilds to SoR… next thing you know LeBron James is gonna take his talents to Rall

LeBron is NA, no one would care about it.

Tam.3146:

Azure.8412:

zepp.4109:

PvDoor? BG ticking 350 ppt for 1 hour, while SoR euro coverage can tick 500 ppt for 3~4 hours.

Everybody knows that some asian guilds in SoR aren’t playing today (maybe due to the new update), so don’t try to make a fake lack of coverage.

NYS has always been inconsistent in turn outs. Their Raids are occasional, whether there’s a new update or not. SAHP, SONG and AFS are still trying to do what they can. They cant do much with ATM, FOO, MERC, ND, ND, WM, Urge, Thai, Ge, DC, CA and XF knocking at their doors. It’s not a fake lack of coverage. Sometimes we tick better because IRON helps us out. This has always been our kind of SEA coverage. I really hope you say things with substantial evidence next time. SoR wvw guilds don’t PvE. FYI, SoRs EU has never really ticked 500 even for 2 consecutive ticks before. Don’t even know what you are talking about. If you want to troll at least troll smartly.

I have to explain a bit.

When the lag is unaccepted, I wont start the raid.
There was a exceptional lag for some Hong Kong players in these few weeks, at least half of our members, including me cannot do a fight. There are at least 7sec+ delay during a fight (NOT ONLY in SoR BL and its spike lag, not the skill lag that everyone suffers), which make us lose the battle we should win, and make me extremely angry and shout on the TS

We are by no means a occasional wvw guild, we stack up in our prime time every day, but bad things just happen to us again and again.

Tonight I even told the oceanic commanders to make tons of preparation for the coming SEA prime time. I was ready for a epic battle and tons of fun. But talking about the lag, what can I do?

Anyway, until Anet (or may be our ISP) fix it up, we will remain our absence.

[NYS]Glory, a laggy and disappointed commander

It isn’t exactly ANet or your ISP, the problem is in the route your internet is taking to the servers in Dallas. One or more routes seem to be completely broken, causing extreme packet loss and latency. This problem seems to be happening to a good numbers of players from South America, EU, Asia and even some americans.

For the brazilian community using a tunneling service (such as Battleping or WTFast) have been a good fix for this issue. Personally, I had to subscribe to one of these services in the past week as the game became virtually unplayable without it.

I just know by my experience from last night that selling stuff at the trading post takes a lot of time. And late NA can wreck kitten while well led.

SoR late NA plus early oceanic made BG tick for 50. When that late NA gone to sleep, BG managed to get everything back. It’s not that surprising, our NA can’t stay up forever. At least we made the fights a little more even for a while.

bwuki.2175:

why would i include a screenshot that has more than 1 commander tag when thats the reason we blur it?

You know, it is much easier to read your tactics by targeting your commaders in-game rather than watching the minimap in a youtube video.

AvengerCap.7983:

I’m surprised no one has posted about this before, but I was swimming in SoR bl and went down near the bottom on the middle island where the Quaggans are. There was a small cave that I went through. It was a really long swim, but I finally got through it all and surfaced into an underwater cave that seemed to be placed under the garrison.

In this cave I found all the glory that Indo stolen from you all! Now you know where he hides all the stolen glory. Go and retrieve what is rightfully yours!

I’ll will make it my life’s goal for now on to find such a magical cave. I’ll take all the stolen glory and distribute it equally between all the pugs and scouts of SoR.

Burl.9567:

covenn.7165:

Seriously, week in an out these forums never change. You people need new material because it is getting boring. Honestly, I am kind of shocked it hasn’t gotten locked yet.

I think we’ve gone through all the material and it’s only Monday. Going to be a pretty boring thread the rest of the week. How do I get through the work day now?

There is always flash games and social networks.

The Forum Wars are entertaining so far, both SoR and BG are going strong at it. JQ is on the low, but that’s to be expected. I give my support to trolls from all servers. You guys deserve it, thanks for the laughs.

Nokaru.7831:

When RedGuard transferred to JQ, SoR’s knee-jerk reaction was to recruit? Ha! It’s pretty embarrassing really! You’d think [RG] would have shown them (and everyone else) that there is much left to learn, skill-wise.

…. Naw, just throw more bodies at it!

Nokaru, I’m glad to see you are still playing. Greetings from a fellow ex-SBI.

All those weapons and armor are actually undigested material that animals have stored in their stomachs. Yeah, think about that.

Teggz.3542:

Video from our first night after transfering to JQ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue8TDOE8evM #YOLO

I had way too much fun moa’ing Sacrx that day. You guys are a great fight, I’m hoping to find you again on the weekend.

Maybe in a expansion. Stay strong Jang.

gebrechen.5643:

This thread never gets boring.

Very true, there is always a post to make me smile in here.

discrepancy.8312:

Hi SoR! JQ here! Boy, am I glad to see you.

Now the BG players will magically log off like they always do when faced with a challenge.

Some of them yes, but those that will be logging off aren’t worth the fight anyway.

Hickeroar.9734:

Thanks Az. We are hungry to learn, and this week is going to be excellent for us on that front. Please don’t think our flaws are lost on us.

Also, the history of Aurust trolling T2 threads is far different than he pretends it is anyway. The real story is that one player, once upon a time, made a comment that no one really knows if T1 is that much different than T2 because of how borked the matchup system was. Unfortunately, Aurust took that as a personal challenge to tell us all how inferior we are at every opportunity.

No one was ever debating that T1 was a different animal than T2. T2 vs T3 is just as stacked, or more, if you look at the numbers. DB/Mag/SBI last week, for instance, and FA’s match this week.

I really do appreciate the great, encouraging attitudes by SoR as a whole this week. You all have been great in-game and out.

I REALLY hope we don’t end up in T3 next week or I might just take the week off. We’ll see…

Funny thing is, as you guys will probably experience this week, the skill level is not even in a T1 server. There are top, average, and below average guilds in every T1 server.

Aurust.8961:

Atrophied.8725:

So, SoR guilds, I’m curious. I know we’re not really a threat PPT-wise, but how are we on the open-field? I hope we’re providing you with some good fights.
(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

I’d love to give you guys a brutally honest perspective, as well as advice…. unfortunately, it will be interpreted as trolling or trash talking or whatever. So you will just have to figure it out yourselves.

All i can say is that your field fighting tactics/capabilities are subpar compared to JQ and BG. Though I will say, you guys do have a greater willingness to actually engage in combat as opposed to running away.

I’ve been in your tier 2 threads quite a few times trying to stress just how far behind tier 2 ( it was obvious from the tier 2 guilds that moved up to tier 1 like war machine and rise) was compared to tier 1 and was just brushed off. I think its fairly obvious I was proven correct. I won’t rub it in any further or make any further comments. Take this post for what you will.

I thought of doing a real response too, but public forums aren’t really a place for this kind of feedback. However I disagree that they are far behind, just lacking in a few aspects.

Hickeroar.9734:

gmanual.6519:

Atrophied.8725:

So, SoR guilds, I’m curious. I know we’re not really a threat PPT-wise, but how are we on the open-field? I hope we’re providing you with some good fights.
(Also, please stop dropping ACs and Ballistas when you have more people than us, it’s just bad form)

Way too many berserker builds IMO. If you’re going to make it in T1 you need to outlast an initial burst, not just make one and then die.

I’ve noticed this a lot amongst some of our “less trained” militia, and you’re right. Our guilds have an overall good grasp on builds and are pretty sturdy, but we have had trouble with rallying half an enemy force due to the death of one or two squishy militia following a guild group.

This distinct thing happened several times last night, actually. At one point we had essentially wiped an SoR zerg, with 2/3 of it down. We lost a measly two militia, and almost every one of the SoR rallied…which turned the tide of the fight in SoR’s favor.

I’ve noticed that a lot of what seem to be SoR militia are pretty sturdy. How do you properly explain a build to them: A) without coming off as elitists, without offending their precious hard-earned armor, C) in a way that communication is taken constructively and seriously?

SoR does seem to have a great track record in getting militia on-board and trained, and I think it’s a huge part of their success.

“Moar Pvt!” is one of the most repeated sentences in SoR ts.

Being from SoR, and even knowing TW will be coming back, I would rather face a motived TW as enemy, than a have a demotived TW as ally. Anyway, I just hope I can fight them before the comeback, that would be guarantied fun.

Math:
3 banners + 6 static fields + 6 plagues + 15 guardians = Good

Hey guys, stop being mean to BG. They already have enough things against them. Cyberbullying is a real social issue.

I hope this trainwreck extends to the NA reset, it sounds like fun.

Hey guys, there is 1/100000 chance that everyone rolls a 0. That’s what happened, best luck next time.

As a proud member of “Pugs of Indo [INDO]”, I’m here too protect the honor of this exemplary commander against those vile defamatory statements. Indo does not steal glory, he selflessly comes to save endangered allies in what would be otherwise failed attempts.

Snowreap.5174:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Anet has addressed the wrong issue. The true issue is WvW coverage/population.
Coverage/population needs to be evened out among the servers.

This is a valid argument.

I propose an easy fix: Arenanet needs to force you to move to a different server, and they need to lock your account so that you can only play during periods of the day when your new server has low coverage.

If Arenanet does this for enough players, the problem will be solved.

If you don’t think this is a good solution, I invite you to propose an alternative that doesn’t involve forcing players to switch servers or what time of day they want to play.

-ken

Countless solutions were already proposed in this forum. That’s not a new issue, it has been discussed a lot.

ykyk.2740:

Zen.8497:

ykyk.2740:

Otokomae.9356:

People keep saying that guilds will “spread out” once this starts, and that we’ll see more parity as a result, but that’s really not going to happen without some sort of free or severely discounted transfers. Most of the time, when whole guilds are spending thousands of gold or real-life dollars to transfer, they are moving to a server where they feel relatively certain that they will end up in Tier 1. This happened when transfers were free, as well, but guilds were more open to moving down a tier and trying to work their way back up when the transfers were free.

See, under the new system “tier 1” no longer has any meaning because the “strongest” servers are never guaranteed a matchup. It’s always more beneficial under this server to have a range of fairly competitive servers over one tier of 3 stacked servers, because the alternative is week after week of bad matchups.

You are talking about bad match-ups and refer to the winning servers but not the ones that get steamrolled. I wonder what is worse to win every time or get steamrolled over and over again? It is in the human nature to want to win so chances are people will transfer to the winning servers.

Well, there’s no system that can solve idiocy, so if the majority of players prefer free wins then you are right we could well see everyone just stack to one server and have guaranteed free wins every week against no competition (this is arguably what has been happening all the time already with transfer wars).

I like to be positive and think that those are the minority though. If the majority actually like competition and unpredictability in their matchups then this could be the solution in the long run. The current tier system locks up the tiers over time and forces players to stack servers because it’s mathematically so difficult to move up or down tiers, so a change to that seems to make sense.

When the options are being stomped or the stomper, people will obviously chose being the stomper. The update will promote more stacking at already stacked servers.

Handin.4032:

kitten .2746:

JonPeters, the problem is not the matchmaking, but the score system itself. Fix the scoring system so that the server with most coverage doesn’t automatically win.

I have a feeling what they’re hoping for is that if say, a rank 1 server faces a rank 4, and the rank 4 server does well, they’ll get a decent boost, much more than they would get facing the rank 5 and 6 servers in their own tier. However, I am worried this could also punish the rank 1 server more if they don’t win “by enough”, and not give the rank 4 server enough gains. If they still lose by a lot, they might lose rank, instead of gaining it. Meanwhile, if the rank 5 server faces a rank 7 or 8 and dominates them, they could move up.

When a server is demoralized they don’t even show for the matchup anymore, this happened countless times already.

JonPeters, the problem is not the matchmaking, but the score system itself. Fix the scoring system so that the server with most coverage doesn’t automatically win.

Demoralized servers do not show up for WvW, check your data ANet. Cancel this update while is still possible.

This is a bad idea, a really bad idea. Most matches will not be fun with one server dominating everything, morale in weaker servers will drop and people will stop logging in.

Mayoken.9851:

kitten .2746:

Maladon.5760:

2074298 kitten 2746:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Just curious, I remember SBI being nr1 america server, what made them drop? This is by no means offence, just curious how it happened.

First when people started realizing that WvW was hard work with no reward we had a lots of WvW guilds shrinking/showing up less/closing. WM was the only one to transfer early as far as I know, the remaining guilds left at the closing of free transfers. Some felt they had the burden of carrying the whole server, others were just afraid of ending up in a dead server, which would not be the case.

You’re giving those people too much credit. They left because things got tougher after WM was gone. Nothing more.

I’m ex-SBI, so that would be giving myself too much credit. I actually feel responsible for what happened back there, I was an officer in a big guild and I got burned out of the game. I felt like I was leaving allies to fight and die alone. For that I can’t blame anyone for leaving as I was part of the problem.

It’s really funny how wrong you guys actually are. Stormbluff was in trouble. Up to the point of the end of “free transfers” the game was in “beta” mode. When they announced free transfers are left for 1 more week, it was time for everyone to pick their “final” server and start the “new tournament”. Many guilds took the pro’s and con’s of each server to conclude which server you want to choose.

In addition, when WM left SBI kept fighting. It didn’t really matter that they left, SBI had the potential. At that point it simply lacked confidence amongst the militia. Many guild leaders wanted to preserve their guild and give them the brightekittenture. Therefore, any competitive WvW leader will look at their guild and make the best decisions for them.

Finally, for 2-3 months up the the moment of transfer there were many leadership meetings, filled with talk, the same talk, meeting after meeting without action. No plan we placed was ever executed.

When you take all 3 of these factors, you have the reason why the guilds left Stormbluff. Sorry if you don’t like it.

I agree about the meetings, those were frustrating. But don’t kid yourself with this “beta mode” talk, nothing changed with the paid transfers. Guilds are still server hopping, they are just slower now. Wvw players losing interest in the game was a major factor at SBI disbanding, I can’t believe you would disagree with that.

Maladon.5760:

2074298 kitten 2746:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Just curious, I remember SBI being nr1 america server, what made them drop? This is by no means offence, just curious how it happened.

First when people started realizing that WvW was hard work with no reward we had a lots of WvW guilds shrinking/showing up less/closing. WM was the only one to transfer early as far as I know, the remaining guilds left at the closing of free transfers. Some felt they had the burden of carrying the whole server, others were just afraid of ending up in a dead server, which would not be the case.

You’re giving those people too much credit. They left because things got tougher after WM was gone. Nothing more.

I’m ex-SBI, so that would be giving myself too much credit. I actually feel responsible for what happened back there, I was an officer in a big guild and I got burned out of the game. I felt like I was leaving allies to fight and die alone. For that I can’t blame anyone for leaving as I was part of the problem.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Just curious, I remember SBI being nr1 america server, what made them drop? This is by no means offence, just curious how it happened.

First when people started realizing that WvW was hard work with no reward we had a lots of WvW guilds shrinking/showing up less/closing. WM was the only one to transfer early as far as I know, the remaining guilds left at the closing of free transfers. Some felt they had the burden of carrying the whole server, others were just afraid of ending up in a dead server, which would not be the case.

As many people here I don’t think downed state needs to go, I actually think it could break the game if you take it out.

But I do have a problem with the rallying mechanic. It is a mechanic in which one bad player dying can revive an entire zerg of downed enemies. That in a game where there is no real way of filtering who is running alongside you, and even allow lvl1 characters play against lvl80 fully geared characters.

Scarn.1703:

2052096 kitten 2746:

The downed state is too tied in the game mechanics, you can’t take it out. What could be taken out is the rallying, and the game would be much better if that happened.

i think they could absolutely take it out. since they are going to start balancing the game separately, they could just take it out in wvw. if you die, you die.

There are too much traits and skills that rely on the downed state, it’s too much work to take it all out of the game. I would be more than content with just getting rid of the rallying.

I’d love an Asuran Dragon as a siege weapon, it would cost 100g/10000badges and take 10000 supply to build.

The downed state is too tied in the game mechanics, you can’t take it out. What could be taken out is the rallying, and the game would be much better if that happened.

T1 play – SoR

In my opinion they should just remove rallying from WvW. That alone would improve team fights greatly.

In some cases I get stuck in a time-space loop, and I just fall over and over again a number of times.

The trolling meta is harder in T1, just step up your game, don’t give up. The forum wars are half of the battle.

Max number of players confirmed for 30 in EB. Spread the word!

Vena.8436:

PredatoR.5247:

its been a few days and Anet hasn’t posted an official response.
it can’t be too hard, kitten my little sister could do it.

“we are sorry, we are working on a solution”

hearing that would let me know the genius’ read the topic.

It may well be because they are seeing how it affects the game? I mean, I think they need to tone down either range or damage but how or to what degree I’m not quite sure yet.

As much as I like the changes, I think increasing the supply necessary to build a AC and toning down a bit the range are totally comprehensible nerfs.

graverr.6473:

Kraag Deadsoul.2789:

Then let’s put it to the test. List these spots and I’ll demonstrate if they can be hit or not.

No need too .I am not giving siege lessons for free like that .L2p before pretending you know how to siege.If less players were like you we wouldn’t be finding WvW in this embarrasing situation.

I will gladly show how to take down the ACs you are having trouble with.

graverr.6473:

I can easily show anyone at least 20 spots in any tower where acs CAN’T BE HIT by trebs or outer siege.Argument invalid.Telling ppl to l2 siege while you lack in very important knowledge about is pretty funny.

There is no invulnerable siege in this game. If you don’t know how to take it down it is just your own lack of knowledge and not the game’s fault.