Guild Wars 2

Cirus.5748:

renmei.3102:

SOR definitely needs a few more asian and oceanic wvw guilds, but is certainly stacked in both NA and EU and needs no more guilds in those timezones. I hope even the BG and JQ trolls can agree on this -__-

The problem is, that between October and February, all the tier 1 servers had 18/7 coverage. They all had their weak zones where they could not even fill 1 map for a major portion (several hours) of a 24 hour day. It was like a combination of rock, paper and scissors.

The end of free transfers saw a massive amount of guilds stacking onto Jade Quarry, giving it the first superior 24/7 coverage since HoD had TA.

Blackgate stacked itself to match Jade Quarry.

Sanctum of Rall stacked itself to match Blackgate

Blackgate then stacked itself again to match Sanctum of Rall

Sanctum of Rall stacked itself again to match Blackgate

It’s a vicious cycle, one that I never wish never happened. But as far as blaming who’s fault it is, you don’t need to go any further than have a look at your own server who started the 24/7 super stacking server trend.

I hope Jade Quarry can recruit more guilds to “equal” SoR and BG, but the problem is that it’s happening at the expense of all the lower tiers, tier 2 used to be very close to tier 1, now they are miles apart.

I agree. Its a vicious cycle which cannot be stopped whatsoever. I believe it really isn’t anyone’s fault. Neither SoR nor BG. We can really only blame Anet on this, really.

Kathy K.6812:

Hawkeye.4698:

Kathy K.6812:

Azure.8412:

Vash.9183:

So SoR has had 300-375 ppt average all day ever since EU, and it is about to be SEA time yet BG is so extremely stacked that we are borderline Vizunah Square according to SoR posters.

I don’t even. SoR 440 ppt, best Oceanic. huehuehuehue

Sorry Vash, but don’t you ever get sick of constantly whining about coverage? It’s pretty evident BG has the best overall coverage. What you see right now is simply our drunk NA at work. Trust me, SoRs ppt is never that good in Oceanic. BG still has the best Oceanic coverage with ND, MERC, CA, WM, XF and NOC. I believe XF, ND and WM are SEA, but some of them start early almost everyday to help MERC and co. Don’t worry, things wont be so lopsided soon. Overtime does not mean better coverage.

Lol drunk NA doesn’t get you over 300 PPT all throughout the day and 440+ PPT during Oceanic/SEA.

That’s called over-stacking your server… I hope JQ and BG can get more transfers to balance out against SoR’s ridiculous coverage.

I’m sorry BG does not need any more transfers, you guys already have enough. If you don’t know what over-stacked means, look at your server and SoR. Both of your servers are stacked, get over it.

Any server that easily ticks 300+ PPT all throughout the day any time they want is a stacked server… SoR has a huge presence 24/7 & it’ll be tough for any server to compete unless the other 2 servers get the coverage to balance things out.

Kathy K, do you remember that time SoR was the underdog? Ever since then, we received IRON, KISS and SONG. SONG is a 10 man guild in SEA, and although they are extremely good (they seriously are), they cannot make a huge difference in SEA time due to the blobbing by BG and JQ. IRON and KISS, no matter how insanely good they are, cannot make us tick 300-400+ throughout NA and Oceanic. As for NA, i believe BG is getting 2v1’d quite a bit and are suffering issues with turnouts (correct me if im wrong). Maybe thats why SoR is ticking high in NA since BG is the bigger threat in NA. As for Oceanic, there is some form of overtime done by SoR and the drunk NA can form about 30+. One extra decent sized zerg in Oceanic can make a huge difference for SoR, considering only a zerg the size of MERC can handle. Like i told Vash, overtime does not mean better or stacked coverage. I dont understand why BG would need anymore guilds, after acquiring guilds like TKG, WM, Meow, RISE, BT, XF, etc. As much as i wish for SoR’s SEA to gain a little more coverage for balance during SEA time, it would only make our overall coverage extremely complete, making the matchup unbalanced. Before thinking of your server, please think of the server that needs overall coverage the most, which is JQ. I really hope JQ gets as much coverage as they can, particularly in EU and Oceanic. I’ve refrained from trolling you (reluctantly), and i hope you will do the same.

Anyway, Thanks for being with SoR, BG and JQ. Any other match up would be insane PvDoor from us 24/7. Thanks for making things interesting! <3 you guys.

Vash.9183:

So SoR has had 300-375 ppt average all day ever since EU, and it is about to be SEA time yet BG is so extremely stacked that we are borderline Vizunah Square according to SoR posters.

I don’t even. SoR 440 ppt, best Oceanic. huehuehuehue

Sorry Vash, but don’t you ever get sick of constantly whining about coverage? It’s pretty evident BG has the best overall coverage. What you see right now is simply our drunk NA at work. Trust me, SoRs ppt is never that good in Oceanic. BG still has the best Oceanic coverage with ND, MERC, CA, WM, XF and NOC. I believe XF, ND and WM are SEA, but some of them start early almost everyday to help MERC and co. Don’t worry, things wont be so lopsided soon. Overtime does not mean better coverage.

Seigfried.5938:

Azure.8412:

Why does RK talk so much. ……..

RK has only defended their position on the forum. SoR and IRON in particular are provoking them.

Considering how much this Waage dude has been consistently flaming IRON, I don’t see why IRON shouldn’t challenge them and provoke them since they complained and accused IRON of blobbing hard and beating them with superior numbers. They claimed IRON wasn’t much if it wasn’t for their numbers. If you want to flame or taunt another guild, please be up for the GvG challenge. Don’t even try to give excuses to run away from it.

Bovinity.8610:

Lessons learned by SoR guilds after facing RG: “Recruit more!”

<3

Lessons learnt by BG after facing RG:………
OH wait, BG guilds don’t even dare to try to fight RG 1 on 1. Nothing is learnt.

Azure.8412:

I’m waiting for BGs revenge on our dominance today really soon. Can’t wait for them to rush us hard in our weak timezone to plummet us to 0-50ppt. Some things are just easily predictable. Something exactly like last week will happen:)

And I’m right.. :P

Paxi.1386:

So its 2:50 am server time, and SoR is at 350ppt……..what was that about not having an Oceanic presence again?

I reckon it’s cause of MERC’s late start. MERC is BG’s main force. Without MERC, things are pretty much PvDoor for SoR. Same thing can be said for MERC when HIRE doesn’t show up. We have a couple of drunk NA playing too. That’s why.

Monsoon.2589:

Azure.8412:

I’m waiting for BGs revenge on our dominance today really soon. Can’t wait for them to rush us hard in our weak timezone to plummet us to 0-50ppt. Some things are just easily predictable. Something exactly like last week will happen: )

Revenge? BG wants revenge?

That s funny I saw full map zerg SoR on one side of our keep and a full map zerg JQ on the other trying to spawn camp BG so that SoR could take their keep and you think it is BG wanting revenge? BG is just having fun…JQ is like paper and SoR likes to run a lot…so

Seems to me two servers got some serious pain in the lower backs and are the ones wanting revenge. If it hurts that much you should consult a specialist…or maybe add more fiber in your diet

You sound.. really bitter and mad. :/ Anyways, can’t wait for the insane SEA tonight!

I’m waiting for BGs revenge on our dominance today really soon. Can’t wait for them to rush us hard in our weak timezone to plummet us to 0-50ppt. Some things are just easily predictable. Something exactly like last week will happen:)

Vash.9183:

Brutus.5732:

Vash.9183:

So, BG SEA is “so stacked” yet BG’s ppt just went lower in this late EU timezone than SoR’s did during SEA. It is time to stop being so sensitive.

Look at the income graph, notice the disparity in how long the dips last?

BG suffers a 2 hour window where SOR NA and EU overlap but they still lead PPT in EU until the overlap occurs.

I would agree with you, but… it is the weekend. You shouldn’t make any serious decisions based on weekend fights. It’s just not the same as once you hit the work week.

The work week is actually pretty similar. SoR just ticks a bit higher than the weekend during that 2 hour period. BG can tick 300+ throughout Oceanic to the end of SEA. That’s a good 9 hours. Because of their dominance in SEA, some of this is brought to EU as BG has T3 stuff while SoR has paper stuff. It’s not that easy for SoR EU to tick 300+ during EU, until late EU when NA and EU overlaps. FYI, BG rarely ever ticks less than 100ppt in EU. SoR frequently ticks like that in SEA.

Vash.9183:

So, BG SEA is “so stacked” yet BG’s ppt just went lower in this late EU timezone than SoR’s did during SEA. It is time to stop being so sensitive.

SoRs EU does not have high ppt throughout EU time, because they need to recover from all the damage from SEA and your overtime BG SEA. If you just look at yesterday alone, BGs ppt was 300-400 throughout SEA time, which is about 4-5 hours.

Waage.2047:

Starscream.7803:

My personal highlight of the night is having Smokee emo log after IRON wiped him hard. IRON 1 HB 0

Really?……

OMG you manged to kill the 10-15 or so HB that was out and about tonight. WOW i mean +30 active guild manged to kill half the numbers. Well done there.

GvG? It would be an interesting sight to behold. Maybe that can settle things. Maybe IRON can GvG RK too.

JQ is easily no longer the dominant force in SEA. Stacked BG SEA is absolutely destroying everything.

Cirus.5748:

Kryyg.8576:

A couple of the old FIRE SEA guys transferred to BG recently and they also said BG queues all 4 maps during SEA.

Explains the ppt to be honest, nothing to be ashamed of. Just interesting.

You’re right, on some nights BG SEA has queues on all 4 maps, not just on weekends but sometimes on weekdays.

Usually MERC is able to float across maps though and 2-3 maps are queued (during the week), but not always. There is a large number of Asian PvX guilds on Blackgate, whether they play or not has a large say in how in how much we can fill the maps.

I see Pretty interesting statistic there. Well, you guys sure have more than enough forces during SEA then, i suppose. SoR can’t even queue 1 map sometimes.

Wait.. TKG joined BG? That’s terribly sad for JQ. Really hope you guys get more guilds for Oceanic time. BG, on the other hand.. completely do not need anymore coverage in Oceanic.

Jet.4795:

So with much respect to SoR you guys have SEA and you guys saying you need more is just insane in my opinion. So you guys got 2v1’d it happens to everyone, but you guys have SEA guilds. I am just going off what a SoR guys once said on the forums that your SEA guilds are PvX? And only sometimes show up to the battlefield? If I am wrong please correct me, however you complain about PvDoor when you have forces on, and when you don’kittens because those guilds don’t show up not our fault. I mean no disrespect to SoR guilds or SoR community. I am just saying what I am seeing/thinking.

Hey Ben. Like it has been said many times already, our SEA can be extremely inconsistent. NYS, like what Glory had explained earlier, has really poor connections to the game and their Raids have been much less frequent nowadays. NYS is extremely important to our coverage. SAHP, on the other hand, only has occasional Raids in about 3-4 days of the week and usually has a large amount of Chinese Rallians with them. SONG and GC combined only has about 25 and really cannot do much against full map zergs from BG and JQ. Without the occasional help from IRON and HIRE (<3 IRON and HIRE), we will really suffer poor ppt of around 100+ and even lower when deliberately 2v1’d. Yes, we do need a bit of coverage in SEA, while JQ needs coverage in Oceanic and EU. BG needs coverage in EU.

junhan.8192:

Azure.8412:

ATM sure loves to hit SoR 80 man zerg, woo.

I am writing on behalf of Waha and ATM. For your information, we only hit SOR for the past 3 days. We have been fighting solely on BG for the past 5 – 6 mths? Don’t believe ask MERC, and SOR should question 1 of your guy who PM Waha in-game and say things like “Hi, I am the one who took your Keep waypoint away” and people from SOR msg Waha call him all sorts of names and scold F*** him. For your extra information, BG don’t do this kind of thing even if we focus our attk on them. Last of all, still the same old sentence, we have our utmost respect for both SOR and BG. /Salute

Hey Well, i reckon it was a troll. How does Waha know its people from SoR, btw? Impersonation as someone from another server might be possible as well. Real apologies though. No one should be doing this.

Burl.9567:

Tajz.9826:

dwahvel.7356:

Volcanus.2756:

morrolan.9608:

Volcanus.2756:

Cue the lack knowing what you are talking about.

So I’ve actually been in WvW this week when it has ticked at that level but I apparently don’t know what I’m talking about. If you actually read the graph 3 times this week we have been between 30 and 80PPT which suffices for my purpose seeing as I didn’t say we were exactly at 50 PPT.

And other nights it’s ticking for over 400. That point swing just doesn’t magically happen. We know Wednesday night oce and sea didnt show up due to lag and let BG take everything. So with one night we know what happened and why the ppt was so low, I would judge the other 2 was something similar. Telling us what your ppt is when you dont come out and fight isn’t proving a thing. We all know what ya’ll are capable of.

SoR SEA time consists of NYS and SAHP. So yeah when they are not doing an event on a day our PPT dives. BG needs to stop pretending like we are stacked during SEA. Our Oceanic consists of HIRE and late night NA. Again…..stop pretending like that timezone is stacked.

Sigh… I hate to be participate in but too tempting. SoR isnt stack on SEA? Wrong! You pulled the entire map zerg which lag the hell out of all the kitten.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/tajz/gw138_zpsbe2c232d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/tajz/gw141_zpsc0d3ac2c.jpg
Anet’s servers are going to break because you guys stack too much.

I’m confused. You say full map zerg but then show a screen shot with 40 people in it.

We should get a screenshot of their full map zergs on all maps.

oxide.8324:

dwahvel.7356:

SoR SEA time consists of NYS and SAHP. So yeah when they are not doing an event on a day our PPT dives. BG needs to stop pretending like we are stacked during SEA. Our Oceanic consists of HIRE and late night NA. Again…..stop pretending like that timezone is stacked.

You forgot IRON

When IRON returns to help us out you guys stop bullying us. ATM can’t stop aiming us! Now you guys get real competition with equal numbers.

Tajz.9826:

dwahvel.7356:

Volcanus.2756:

morrolan.9608:

Volcanus.2756:

Cue the lack knowing what you are talking about.

So I’ve actually been in WvW this week when it has ticked at that level but I apparently don’t know what I’m talking about. If you actually read the graph 3 times this week we have been between 30 and 80PPT which suffices for my purpose seeing as I didn’t say we were exactly at 50 PPT.

And other nights it’s ticking for over 400. That point swing just doesn’t magically happen. We know Wednesday night oce and sea didnt show up due to lag and let BG take everything. So with one night we know what happened and why the ppt was so low, I would judge the other 2 was something similar. Telling us what your ppt is when you dont come out and fight isn’t proving a thing. We all know what ya’ll are capable of.

SoR SEA time consists of NYS and SAHP. So yeah when they are not doing an event on a day our PPT dives. BG needs to stop pretending like we are stacked during SEA. Our Oceanic consists of HIRE and late night NA. Again…..stop pretending like that timezone is stacked.

Sigh… I hate to be participate in but too tempting. SoR isnt stack on SEA? Wrong! You pulled the entire map zerg which lag the hell out of all the kitten.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/tajz/gw138_zpsbe2c232d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/tajz/gw141_zpsc0d3ac2c.jpg
Anet’s servers are going to break because you guys stack too much.

We got 1 big zerg, maybe another medium zerg if our EU and NA help us out. You guys have big zergs on every map. Nirvii, please don’t try to be another Magikarps/Veld. Are all BG commanders like that? He never said we were heavily outmanned either. He simply stated facts of what happens when NYS and SAHP don’t go on raids. So defensive. Look at your CA/XF/WM/Thai/Urge/MERC/ND/ND/Meow zergs on all maps. You make it seem like you guys don’t blob 24/7. Did Magikarps influence you?

ATM sure loves to hit SoR 80 man zerg, woo.

Vash.9183:

What TW commander is still leading an NA group? It is 4:42 am where I live in NA.

What the

Question is, why are YOU on at that time?

What the

Anyway, it’s our drunk NA group.

Baels.3469:

Neuromancer.2148:

oxide.8324:

Dunno how you only manage 10-30 ppt with a full map zerg running around JQ BL

In it for the fights and not caring about PPT.

>Sanctum of Arrowcarts
>In it for the fights

MY SIDES, THEY HURT. THE LAUGHTER. STAHP.

Oh look it’s Veld, another norn MERC commander troll.

Tajz.9826:

Kathy K.6812:

MagiKarp.8201:

I redact my statement about TFV, the TFV I saw was a dual repping SONG guild member, sorry for dragging TFV’s name into this thread, but the causality is always there, every week BG has won since the last JQ victory SoR has received a new guild.

I wouldn’t be surprised MagiKarp… They’re more than likely trying to get a new guild. SoR NEVER ticks below 30PPT unless it’s on purpose.

Not long ago we saw two 50+ map SoR zergs (NYS/HIRE/SONG) doing nothing but open field combat chasing handful of us in JQBL while letting all their keeps on other bls fall. I even recorded how many of them but im too lazy to upload lol.
Hmmm suspicious acts.

How does 100 men even fit in one borderland i really have no idea. SoR BL is extremely laggy and most of them DC, so only a small group could get in to hold out ATM and ND/WM. EB was already a lost cause when we were getting 2v1’d by ATM and BG earlier. BG and JQ spawn camped EB. Know your facts right before saying these kind of things.

pot.6805:

Why the total collapse during timezones we know SoR has great consistent coverage in?

Must be trying to court new OCE and SEA guilds.

We are fighting for our lives here. Please do not spout rubbish about us collapsing. When ATM and a BG map zerg hits you both at the same time while helping each other, its normal for us to easily lose everything. We’ve been trying super hard to keep our stuff. Now we lost garrison with BG and JQ cheering for each other. 20ppt for SoR, while BG gets 430ppt. Not PvDoor, still? If you deny so you must have some intense bias for your own server right there.

Burl.9567:

BG – the one true king of PvD

zepp : BG doesn’t PvD and SoR lies about their weak SEA coverage! As long as you have 2-3 keeps, you’re not getting PvD’d.
pot : Stop whining about 2v1 SoR. SoR PvDs all the time. Such bads.
Kathy K : SoR is stacked in every timezone. They PvD everything everyday.

Jahn.7019:

The interesting thing is that AGG tries to cover up their poor play by doing little tricks all the time to try and keep an advantage, instead of improving gameplay.

For example, day before yesterday when they were wiping to FEAR non-stop all night, they would have their MA throw up a different guild tags and swap his weapons out so he would stop getting focused. I’ve never seen a MA die so much that he has to do that everytime.

I mean even their group makeup is just one big gimmick, out of their typical forty to forty-five man AGG zerg, it’s safe to say about 30-35 of them are guardians and warriors.

I think Agg should be good enough that they dont need those tonics to let them gain an advantage.

oxide.8324:

covenn.7165:

Wrong.

Our fight was to be under the same conditions as the first one. No ghost tonics were used then, thus none would be used in the rematch.

I am sorry you don’t see the absolute absurdity of everyone running around in ghost form……

From what I gather there was no explicit rule disallowing ghost tonics in the first one, if the second was to be played under the same rules ghost tonics would be allowed.

Burl.9567:

To me ghost tonics are like a gimmick to provide some sort of buffer for poor play. Much like a corked bat in baseball or stick ‘em in football. If you can’t do it with your own talent and abilities, then what’s the point?

Rather ironic considering you are playing 20v20 where every player has 19 other people to cover for their poor play. Afterall, if you can’t do it with your own talent and abilities, then what’s the point?

Jahn.7019:

Hopefully BG wins so they’ll stop whining about coverage and actually come out and fight during NA prime instead of hiding in their keeps.

Speaking of hiding in keeps, I saw 16 ACs defending 1 door. Is that really necessary SoR?

16 ACs on a door might be a new record. Any pictures to show that?

pot.6805:

How is SoR claiming to be outmanned right now when they have a full map zerg on JQ BL right now? A zerg made up of SONG, SAHP and NYS, GC.

We don’t even have a queue on a map.

MagiKarp.8201:

You mean like Indo did yesterday?

Don’t play the over time card buddy pal, this is T1.

I never complained about overtime. Im just stating that your overtime doesnt mean we aren’t showing up. We’re simply getting steamrolled.

MagiKarp.8201:

To SoR: Thanks for not showing up tonight, I’m sure your impressing TFV by not putting any effort in, good show.

How do you know we did not show up? At least provide some evidence for what you say. HIRE played a long time tonight, and tried to help us at least get 100ppt and above. SAHP and the other small SEA groups are trying all they can to hold onto our towers and keeps from BG and JQ. We know Magikarps, MERC and friends are doing overtime tonight, knowing that the gap between SoR and BG can be closed down. I noticed ND played from Oceanic all the way into SEA. I noticed that your NA played overtime into Oceanic, allowing you guys to get 300-400ppt throughout Oceanic and SEA. Your overtime doesn’t mean we aren’t showing up. SoR has been beaten to shreds before, and we always turn up, regardless of the score.

pot.6805:

Lorthos.4976:

Neuromancer.2148:

Zen, common sense, man.

How OFTEN does BG tick at 300+ during NA ?

What about SoR?

Since IRON moved in, what has been your EU’s average ppt?

What is BG’s average SEA ppt?

A quick look at a chart is all it takes.

It’s pretty obvious some people rarely play during late Oceanic-Sea time. We have barely enough people to hold our keep in EB and our garri in SoR bl most nights. It is what it is though. Our Sea players do their best to hold what they can against the BGJQ marriage and we appreciate them doing all they can.

The more you complain about 2v1, the more we are going to do it.

Nah, you guys do it whether we complain or not. Its getting boring. BG and JQ, try and fight someone your own size.

zepp.4109:

Azure.8412:

zepp.4109:

Azure.8412:

zepp.4109:

Azure.8412:

zepp.4109:

“Its similar to Eyefinity.”

HAHAHA, my god…

Your logic of “having 1 keep doesn’t mean there’s PvDoor” isn’t any better. Oh Yeah, you said you could prove that we were faking our coverage right? Prove it.

2~3 keeps + some towers.

learn to read pls

why are you so mad? just because TW lost to Agg? haha

You should to learn to lose.

Ohh, okay. That means there’s no PvDoor whatsoever. :P I suppose EU is no PvDoor for SoR too then. Dumb logic. I’m not even in TW.

man you really should to learn to read

but you are so mad because TW lost… It’s just a game, man ~~

Instead of going out of point, didn’t you say you could prove easily SoR was faking it’s poor SEA coverage? Prove it then.

I already did. ^.^

Again: you should to learn to read.

What’s your definition of proof? You have absolutely zero substantial evidence. Do you even know what proof is?

zepp.4109:

Azure.8412:

zepp.4109:

Azure.8412:

zepp.4109:

“Its similar to Eyefinity.”

HAHAHA, my god…

Your logic of “having 1 keep doesn’t mean there’s PvDoor” isn’t any better. Oh Yeah, you said you could prove that we were faking our coverage right? Prove it.

2~3 keeps + some towers.

learn to read pls

why are you so mad? just because TW lost to Agg? haha

You should to learn to lose.

Ohh, okay. That means there’s no PvDoor whatsoever. :P I suppose EU is no PvDoor for SoR too then. Dumb logic. I’m not even in TW.

man you really should to learn to read

but you are so mad because TW lost… It’s just a game, man ~~

Instead of going out of point, didn’t you say you could prove easily SoR was faking it’s poor SEA coverage? Prove it then. Fyi, I wasn’t in the least mad. I was trying to be constructive.

zepp.4109:

Azure.8412:

zepp.4109:

“Its similar to Eyefinity.”

HAHAHA, my god…

Your logic of “having 1 keep doesn’t mean there’s PvDoor” isn’t any better. Oh Yeah, you said you could prove that we were faking our coverage right? Prove it.

2~3 keeps + some towers.

learn to read pls

why are you so mad? just because TW lost to Agg? haha

You should to learn to lose.

Ohh, okay. That means there’s no PvDoor whatsoever. :P I suppose EU is no PvDoor for SoR too then. How come so many BG are complaining about SoR PvDooring in EU then? Dumb logic. I’m not even in TW.

zepp.4109:

“Its similar to Eyefinity.”

HAHAHA, my god…

Your logic of “having 1 keep doesn’t mean there’s PvDoor” isn’t any better. Oh Yeah, you said you could prove that we were faking our coverage right? Prove it.

Ardon.4105:

Azure.8412:

Ardon.4105:

Azure.8412:

Ardon.4105:

Azure.8412:

Beannie.5982:

Kiltor.9362:

PredatoR.5247:

Kiltor.9362:

Yes i understand what they did with the pots. But saying that you want to keep tighter trains means your MA should only have to use. not your entire group., only reason you are using them now is for the distinct visual advantage that it creates for some people not being able to see what class you are. I agree with why you have to use them,

Also that was the first gvg you had with choo. we have had a prior GvG so assuming rules would have stayed the same. (on a side note why did you request no banners from warrior? its a class ability, not that we would need one i was just curious as to why lol)

The war banners was an obvious troll.
Our casters don’t use Ghost tonic. It’s impossible, it comes off during combat. Everyone knows this.
Also asurians are also the hardest class too telegraph skills with as of their size. Which is why most spvpers are using an asurian model, because you can’t see what skills they’re casting clearly.

I guess there is only 1 way to tell the differance from a class….asurian or norn, it isnt that hard. Even with the pots its not hard for me, but for others it could create confusion.

No matter the case, if you feel your group needs to use pots to create some sort of cosmic connection between melee train and MA, more power too you guys and good luck. It was unfortunate that we were not able to meet in the middle to make this happen. Hopefully, calmer heads will prevale next time and we can meet and maybe we can get this settled on the gvg field.

After watching the video, yes, the visual advantage is apparent.

Wearing a tonic skin is like wearing the same coloured jersey on a soccer field – easy identification. While the others are wearing a mish mash of colours, prone to confusing themselves even.

In GvG terms, it translates into the ease of consolidating your team members, and differentiating who are your enemies. Perhaps as people earlier stated, masking the class of the person?

The AC mage tonic looks visually striking so it is vastly easier to spot your team mates to squeeze a tight train.

For fairness, either have everyone use tonics, or strike it off completely.

^ Its unfair to your opponents, [Agg]. Its like you’re using an “exploit” to gain an advantage over your enemies.

Forgive me if I’m wrong here but doesn’t everyone have access to the tonic? Isn’t it just as ridiculous to say food is an unfair advantage?

Yes, actually. But food buffs are extremely common with those guilds who do GvGs, so its pretty much understood by all guilds who GvG that food buffs are permitted. These tonics though, are pretty rarely used by guilds that GvG, other than RG and other guilds who want to be like RG.

Yes, food buffs are normal now, but that wasn’t always the case. The bonuses they provide are a huge boon when used well. Most guilds realized this and these days it’s commonplace. I don’t see how the ascalonian tonic is any different.

Not wanting to use it yourself for your own reasons is fine and all, but you will be at a significant disadvantage for doing so; just as if you decided not to use food. Asking your opposing team to do the same however is, in my opinion, unreasonable.

Its similar to Eyefinity. Some people don’t like using Eyefinity and have multiple screens. Why did so many people complain about Eyefinity usage from others then? Can’t they get Eyefinity themselves? It really depends on how common it is. By your logic, people who use Eyefinity to gain a larger advantage should be completely fine then.

The difference being that where one is available to anyone who owns the game and the other has external requirements. A three monitor setup and the hardware to run it isn’t something that everyone can afford, whereas there isn’t anything stopping TW from running the potion themselves other than the fact that they prefer not to.

It would be a better comparison if the tonic was for example a gem store item, in which case I would understand. Regardless, I’m just an unrelated third party here and my opinion doesn’t mean much. Hopefully the two can sort out the issue and have a rematch.

Perhaps. Yeah.

PredatoR.5247:

Azure.8412:

Ardon.4105:

Azure.8412:

Ardon.4105:

Azure.8412:

Beannie.5982:

Kiltor.9362:

PredatoR.5247:

Kiltor.9362:

Yes i understand what they did with the pots. But saying that you want to keep tighter trains means your MA should only have to use. not your entire group., only reason you are using them now is for the distinct visual advantage that it creates for some people not being able to see what class you are. I agree with why you have to use them,

Also that was the first gvg you had with choo. we have had a prior GvG so assuming rules would have stayed the same. (on a side note why did you request no banners from warrior? its a class ability, not that we would need one i was just curious as to why lol)

The war banners was an obvious troll.
Our casters don’t use Ghost tonic. It’s impossible, it comes off during combat. Everyone knows this.
Also asurians are also the hardest class too telegraph skills with as of their size. Which is why most spvpers are using an asurian model, because you can’t see what skills they’re casting clearly.

I guess there is only 1 way to tell the differance from a class….asurian or norn, it isnt that hard. Even with the pots its not hard for me, but for others it could create confusion.

No matter the case, if you feel your group needs to use pots to create some sort of cosmic connection between melee train and MA, more power too you guys and good luck. It was unfortunate that we were not able to meet in the middle to make this happen. Hopefully, calmer heads will prevale next time and we can meet and maybe we can get this settled on the gvg field.

After watching the video, yes, the visual advantage is apparent.

Wearing a tonic skin is like wearing the same coloured jersey on a soccer field – easy identification. While the others are wearing a mish mash of colours, prone to confusing themselves even.

In GvG terms, it translates into the ease of consolidating your team members, and differentiating who are your enemies. Perhaps as people earlier stated, masking the class of the person?

The AC mage tonic looks visually striking so it is vastly easier to spot your team mates to squeeze a tight train.

For fairness, either have everyone use tonics, or strike it off completely.

^ Its unfair to your opponents, [Agg]. Its like you’re using an “exploit” to gain an advantage over your enemies.

Forgive me if I’m wrong here but doesn’t everyone have access to the tonic? Isn’t it just as ridiculous to say food is an unfair advantage?

Yes, actually. But food buffs are extremely common with those guilds who do GvGs, so its pretty much understood by all guilds who GvG that food buffs are permitted. These tonics though, are pretty rarely used by guilds that GvG, other than RG and other guilds who want to be like RG.

Yes, food buffs are normal now, but that wasn’t always the case. The bonuses they provide are a huge boon when used well. Most guilds realized this and these days it’s commonplace. I don’t see how the ascalonian tonic is any different.

Not wanting to use it yourself for your own reasons is fine and all, but you will be at a significant disadvantage for doing so; just as if you decided not to use food. Asking your opposing team to do the same however is, in my opinion, unreasonable.

Its similar to Eyefinity. Some people don’t like using Eyefinity and have multiple screens. Why did so many people complain about Eyefinity usage from others then? Can’t they get Eyefinity themselves? It really depends on how common it is. By your logic, people who use Eyefinity to gain a larger advantage should be completely fine then.

eyeinfinity is a 3rd party software..
This potion is INGAME.

Stay on track.

I’m linking the both of them based on accessibility. Anyway, in future GvGs, i think guilds do need to properly communicate with each other and discuss on things they should or should not use, to prevent conflicts and misunderstandings.

Ardon.4105:

Azure.8412:

Ardon.4105:

Azure.8412:

Beannie.5982:

Kiltor.9362:

PredatoR.5247:

Kiltor.9362:

Yes i understand what they did with the pots. But saying that you want to keep tighter trains means your MA should only have to use. not your entire group., only reason you are using them now is for the distinct visual advantage that it creates for some people not being able to see what class you are. I agree with why you have to use them,

Also that was the first gvg you had with choo. we have had a prior GvG so assuming rules would have stayed the same. (on a side note why did you request no banners from warrior? its a class ability, not that we would need one i was just curious as to why lol)

The war banners was an obvious troll.
Our casters don’t use Ghost tonic. It’s impossible, it comes off during combat. Everyone knows this.
Also asurians are also the hardest class too telegraph skills with as of their size. Which is why most spvpers are using an asurian model, because you can’t see what skills they’re casting clearly.

I guess there is only 1 way to tell the differance from a class….asurian or norn, it isnt that hard. Even with the pots its not hard for me, but for others it could create confusion.

No matter the case, if you feel your group needs to use pots to create some sort of cosmic connection between melee train and MA, more power too you guys and good luck. It was unfortunate that we were not able to meet in the middle to make this happen. Hopefully, calmer heads will prevale next time and we can meet and maybe we can get this settled on the gvg field.

After watching the video, yes, the visual advantage is apparent.

Wearing a tonic skin is like wearing the same coloured jersey on a soccer field – easy identification. While the others are wearing a mish mash of colours, prone to confusing themselves even.

In GvG terms, it translates into the ease of consolidating your team members, and differentiating who are your enemies. Perhaps as people earlier stated, masking the class of the person?

The AC mage tonic looks visually striking so it is vastly easier to spot your team mates to squeeze a tight train.

For fairness, either have everyone use tonics, or strike it off completely.

^ Its unfair to your opponents, [Agg]. Its like you’re using an “exploit” to gain an advantage over your enemies.

Forgive me if I’m wrong here but doesn’t everyone have access to the tonic? Isn’t it just as ridiculous to say food is an unfair advantage?

Yes, actually. But food buffs are extremely common with those guilds who do GvGs, so its pretty much understood by all guilds who GvG that food buffs are permitted. These tonics though, are pretty rarely used by guilds that GvG, other than RG and other guilds who want to be like RG.

Yes, food buffs are normal now, but that wasn’t always the case. The bonuses they provide are a huge boon when used well. Most guilds realized this and these days it’s commonplace. I don’t see how the ascalonian tonic is any different.

Not wanting to use it yourself for your own reasons is fine and all, but you will be at a significant disadvantage for doing so; just as if you decided not to use food. Asking your opposing team to do the same however is, in my opinion, unreasonable.

Its similar to Eyefinity. Some people don’t like using Eyefinity and have multiple screens. Why did so many people complain about Eyefinity usage from others then? Can’t they get Eyefinity themselves? It really depends on how common it is. By your logic, people who use Eyefinity to gain a larger advantage should be completely fine then.

Nakoor.1980:

Azure.8412:

PredatoR.5247:

Azure.8412:

Ardon.4105:

Azure.8412:

Beannie.5982:

Kiltor.9362:

PredatoR.5247:

Kiltor.9362:

Yes i understand what they did with the pots. But saying that you want to keep tighter trains means your MA should only have to use. not your entire group., only reason you are using them now is for the distinct visual advantage that it creates for some people not being able to see what class you are. I agree with why you have to use them,

Also that was the first gvg you had with choo. we have had a prior GvG so assuming rules would have stayed the same. (on a side note why did you request no banners from warrior? its a class ability, not that we would need one i was just curious as to why lol)

The war banners was an obvious troll.
Our casters don’t use Ghost tonic. It’s impossible, it comes off during combat. Everyone knows this.
Also asurians are also the hardest class too telegraph skills with as of their size. Which is why most spvpers are using an asurian model, because you can’t see what skills they’re casting clearly.

I guess there is only 1 way to tell the differance from a class….asurian or norn, it isnt that hard. Even with the pots its not hard for me, but for others it could create confusion.

No matter the case, if you feel your group needs to use pots to create some sort of cosmic connection between melee train and MA, more power too you guys and good luck. It was unfortunate that we were not able to meet in the middle to make this happen. Hopefully, calmer heads will prevale next time and we can meet and maybe we can get this settled on the gvg field.

After watching the video, yes, the visual advantage is apparent.

Wearing a tonic skin is like wearing the same coloured jersey on a soccer field – easy identification. While the others are wearing a mish mash of colours, prone to confusing themselves even.

In GvG terms, it translates into the ease of consolidating your team members, and differentiating who are your enemies. Perhaps as people earlier stated, masking the class of the person?

The AC mage tonic looks visually striking so it is vastly easier to spot your team mates to squeeze a tight train.

For fairness, either have everyone use tonics, or strike it off completely.

^ Its unfair to your opponents, [Agg]. Its like you’re using an “exploit” to gain an advantage over your enemies.

Forgive me if I’m wrong here but doesn’t everyone have access to the tonic? Isn’t it just as ridiculous to say food is an unfair advantage?

Yes, actually. But food buffs are extremely common with those guilds who do GvGs, so its pretty much understood by all guilds who GvG that food buffs are permitted. These tonics though, are pretty rarely used by guilds that GvG, other than RG and other guilds who want to be like RG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsUGci9skRo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfSv2s3BE0c

Sorry, but what is the point of this? I never said no guilds use these tonics. FYI, most of these guilds are from EU. NA guilds that GvG rarely use these tonics, from what I’ve noticed.

I think he just admitted to being a wannabe. I’m not sure.

No idea myself. Posting several videos on several guilds using these tonics doesn’t explain anything. Besides, I said RARELY.

PredatoR.5247:

Azure.8412:

Ardon.4105:

Azure.8412:

Beannie.5982:

Kiltor.9362:

PredatoR.5247:

Kiltor.9362:

Yes i understand what they did with the pots. But saying that you want to keep tighter trains means your MA should only have to use. not your entire group., only reason you are using them now is for the distinct visual advantage that it creates for some people not being able to see what class you are. I agree with why you have to use them,

Also that was the first gvg you had with choo. we have had a prior GvG so assuming rules would have stayed the same. (on a side note why did you request no banners from warrior? its a class ability, not that we would need one i was just curious as to why lol)

The war banners was an obvious troll.
Our casters don’t use Ghost tonic. It’s impossible, it comes off during combat. Everyone knows this.
Also asurians are also the hardest class too telegraph skills with as of their size. Which is why most spvpers are using an asurian model, because you can’t see what skills they’re casting clearly.

I guess there is only 1 way to tell the differance from a class….asurian or norn, it isnt that hard. Even with the pots its not hard for me, but for others it could create confusion.

No matter the case, if you feel your group needs to use pots to create some sort of cosmic connection between melee train and MA, more power too you guys and good luck. It was unfortunate that we were not able to meet in the middle to make this happen. Hopefully, calmer heads will prevale next time and we can meet and maybe we can get this settled on the gvg field.

After watching the video, yes, the visual advantage is apparent.

Wearing a tonic skin is like wearing the same coloured jersey on a soccer field – easy identification. While the others are wearing a mish mash of colours, prone to confusing themselves even.

In GvG terms, it translates into the ease of consolidating your team members, and differentiating who are your enemies. Perhaps as people earlier stated, masking the class of the person?

The AC mage tonic looks visually striking so it is vastly easier to spot your team mates to squeeze a tight train.

For fairness, either have everyone use tonics, or strike it off completely.

^ Its unfair to your opponents, [Agg]. Its like you’re using an “exploit” to gain an advantage over your enemies.

Forgive me if I’m wrong here but doesn’t everyone have access to the tonic? Isn’t it just as ridiculous to say food is an unfair advantage?

Yes, actually. But food buffs are extremely common with those guilds who do GvGs, so its pretty much understood by all guilds who GvG that food buffs are permitted. These tonics though, are pretty rarely used by guilds that GvG, other than RG and other guilds who want to be like RG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsUGci9skRo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfSv2s3BE0c

Sorry, but what is the point of this? I never said no guilds use these tonics. FYI, most of these guilds are from EU. NA guilds that GvG rarely use these tonics, from what I’ve noticed.

shortcake.8659:

let’s be honest after the humiliating whooping that RG gave them they are horrified of ascalonian ghosts. Just seeing AGG in those costumes brought back repressed memories of the biggest losing streak since their high school dating life. Half of them probably got up from their computer in tears causing most of the fights to be something like 8v15.

What guild are you in? Why not try and fight RG yourself? No need to rub salt into TW’s wounds just because they lost to RG. Your signature kind of explains things pretty well.

Ardon.4105:

Azure.8412:

Beannie.5982:

Kiltor.9362:

PredatoR.5247:

Kiltor.9362:

Yes i understand what they did with the pots. But saying that you want to keep tighter trains means your MA should only have to use. not your entire group., only reason you are using them now is for the distinct visual advantage that it creates for some people not being able to see what class you are. I agree with why you have to use them,

Also that was the first gvg you had with choo. we have had a prior GvG so assuming rules would have stayed the same. (on a side note why did you request no banners from warrior? its a class ability, not that we would need one i was just curious as to why lol)

The war banners was an obvious troll.
Our casters don’t use Ghost tonic. It’s impossible, it comes off during combat. Everyone knows this.
Also asurians are also the hardest class too telegraph skills with as of their size. Which is why most spvpers are using an asurian model, because you can’t see what skills they’re casting clearly.

I guess there is only 1 way to tell the differance from a class….asurian or norn, it isnt that hard. Even with the pots its not hard for me, but for others it could create confusion.

No matter the case, if you feel your group needs to use pots to create some sort of cosmic connection between melee train and MA, more power too you guys and good luck. It was unfortunate that we were not able to meet in the middle to make this happen. Hopefully, calmer heads will prevale next time and we can meet and maybe we can get this settled on the gvg field.

After watching the video, yes, the visual advantage is apparent.

Wearing a tonic skin is like wearing the same coloured jersey on a soccer field – easy identification. While the others are wearing a mish mash of colours, prone to confusing themselves even.

In GvG terms, it translates into the ease of consolidating your team members, and differentiating who are your enemies. Perhaps as people earlier stated, masking the class of the person?

The AC mage tonic looks visually striking so it is vastly easier to spot your team mates to squeeze a tight train.

For fairness, either have everyone use tonics, or strike it off completely.

^ Its unfair to your opponents, [Agg]. Its like you’re using an “exploit” to gain an advantage over your enemies.

Forgive me if I’m wrong here but doesn’t everyone have access to the tonic? Isn’t it just as ridiculous to say food is an unfair advantage?

Yes, actually. But food buffs are extremely common with those guilds who do GvGs, so its pretty much understood by all guilds who GvG that food buffs are permitted. These tonics though, are pretty rarely used by guilds that GvG, other than RG and other guilds who want to be like RG.

Tarkus.4109:

The lag on SoR bl is pretty BS, we’ve had mass DC’s all night

Agreed. Can’t even defend our own borderlands while you guys take all our stuff.

Beannie.5982:

Kiltor.9362:

PredatoR.5247:

Kiltor.9362:

Yes i understand what they did with the pots. But saying that you want to keep tighter trains means your MA should only have to use. not your entire group., only reason you are using them now is for the distinct visual advantage that it creates for some people not being able to see what class you are. I agree with why you have to use them,

Also that was the first gvg you had with choo. we have had a prior GvG so assuming rules would have stayed the same. (on a side note why did you request no banners from warrior? its a class ability, not that we would need one i was just curious as to why lol)

The war banners was an obvious troll.
Our casters don’t use Ghost tonic. It’s impossible, it comes off during combat. Everyone knows this.
Also asurians are also the hardest class too telegraph skills with as of their size. Which is why most spvpers are using an asurian model, because you can’t see what skills they’re casting clearly.

I guess there is only 1 way to tell the differance from a class….asurian or norn, it isnt that hard. Even with the pots its not hard for me, but for others it could create confusion.

No matter the case, if you feel your group needs to use pots to create some sort of cosmic connection between melee train and MA, more power too you guys and good luck. It was unfortunate that we were not able to meet in the middle to make this happen. Hopefully, calmer heads will prevale next time and we can meet and maybe we can get this settled on the gvg field.

After watching the video, yes, the visual advantage is apparent.

Wearing a tonic skin is like wearing the same coloured jersey on a soccer field – easy identification. While the others are wearing a mish mash of colours, prone to confusing themselves even.

In GvG terms, it translates into the ease of consolidating your team members, and differentiating who are your enemies. Perhaps as people earlier stated, masking the class of the person?

The AC mage tonic looks visually striking so it is vastly easier to spot your team mates to squeeze a tight train.

For fairness, either have everyone use tonics, or strike it off completely.

^ Its unfair to your opponents, [Agg]. Its like you’re using an “exploit” to gain an advantage over your enemies.

PredatoR.5247:

Fuzzion.2504:

Ascii.9726:

TW vs. AGG results: TW won.

Potions of Ascalonian Mages have now doubled in price.

Can we see the video matey

Thanks for the fights TW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhvQxeqa3Uw

Cool video. Gotta say, I completely understand where TW is coming from. The tonics do give you some kind of advantage as it would be tough to see the different classes. However, I think TW should have stated it earlier.

Elano.2014:

zepp.4109:

[…]

By your logic, SoR never PvD in EU since BG has never ticked below 100 during that time slot.

Just pointing out the contradiction.

He’s such a bad troll..

Kathy K.6812:

Teikoku.2068:

Kathy K.6812:

oxide.8324:

SoR stacked on a 12k lead in less than 24 hrs. Now that is PvD

SoR can easily push to win any time they want while the other 2 servers have to actually stay up really late and put in twice as much work to try to keep up.

At least we all can agree that when SoR wins 1st for 5 weeks in a row and then all of a sudden gets 3rd place, that means they’re trying to get a new guild in…

At least you acknowledge that Bag Gate puts in overtime.

BG does put in over time & so does JQ, they do it because Sanctum of Recruiting keeps stacking time zones where they don’t need any more people in & are the main cause for NAT1’s imbalance.

Your rants are getting boring now. We get it. BG doesn’t stack their timezone and SoR is the only one that stacks. BG doesn’t PvDoor and only SoR does. SoR is stacked in every timezone (lol).

zepp.4109:

PvDoor? BG ticking 350 ppt for 1 hour, while SoR euro coverage can tick 500 ppt for 3~4 hours.

Everybody knows that some asian guilds in SoR aren’t playing today (maybe due to the new update), so don’t try to make a fake lack of coverage.

NYS has always been inconsistent in turn outs. Their Raids are occasional, whether there’s a new update or not. SAHP, SONG and AFS are still trying to do what they can. They cant do much with ATM, FOO, MERC, ND, ND, WM, Urge, Thai, Ge, DC, CA and XF knocking at their doors. It’s not a fake lack of coverage. Sometimes we tick better because IRON helps us out. This has always been our kind of SEA coverage. I really hope you say things with substantial evidence next time. SoR wvw guilds don’t PvE. FYI, SoRs EU has never really ticked 500 even for 2 consecutive ticks before. Don’t even know what you are talking about. If you want to troll at least troll smartly.