Guild Wars 2

It only took the necro over 3 years to finally be a good condi class. Heck, it only took the necro 3 years to become a good power one as well

I will admit that in pve anyway I’ve seen a lot less revs lately

Anet barely cares about pve. Every class has had 1 maybe 2 viable weapon choices in pve since launch.

I agree with most of what you’re saying though

You guys can’t be serious? It’s easy to see gunflame coming unless you’re in a group and it sneaks but on you. Also poison cloud alone dismantles gunflame completely and destroys warriors already suspect healing. Reapers hard counter warriors badly right now. Poison cloud and reaper shroud 2 alone shut down rifle and we can’t out sustain you in melee so yea

Long story short the Hammer is probably the most out dated weapon in gw2. It was a unique weapon at one point, but now all the other classes are oozing cc while doing damage. Hammer has decent cc for the most part with laughable damage and defense

I got confused at weapon swap sorry

insanemaniac.2456:

Soon.5240:

Every change is being driven by eSport PvP.

applied force is designed to stop the complaints that pvers had about scrapper, so please, make it about pvp in some way for me because i just dont see it from where im standing

I don’t see anyone 8n pve using this trait. Still don’t see scrapper in pve

I have an entire inventory full of all these parts that I needed to make for Astralaria. Im done with the Legendary… can I toss this stuff?

…. Warrior can equip hammer?

For pve? Aoe and mass murder. Burn zerker warrior was gods gift to me

Rubi I absolutely adore you but we’ve been asking for feedback on about 20 other topics for months. I think this may be the only thing we currently don’t care about as the expansion is already released and it seems no new content is around the corner.

Again, you’re my princess of Tyria, but there’s other topics more pressing.

all seriousness, I was finishing up a legendary and ran out of gift of battles and could not for the life of me remember where to get them from. I actually had to google it and felt like a moron.

2-3 years ago I did TONS of wvw and now I feel like it doesnt exist. No new skins or anything come from it.

any word on this?

Xillllix.3485:

On Launch ele was about huge damage while being squishy but mobile. It was so much fun to play and nobody were complaining about the class being OP, cause thieves could just 1-shot us and it was part of the deal. You could even play zerk d/d ele in the middle of a blob fight back then and zoom across the map with RTL on a low cooldown.

What they’ve done with the class since then is a train wreck. They nerfed ele damage and buffed everyone else to a point where there is no advantage to playing a class with no armor/hp and longer cooldown/cast time.

Tempest was rushed out anyway and just not fun to play. Compared to how the game was before it’s just not fun anymore to play elementalist.

I think they had an amazing team making an amazing game, and then a team of less competent people coming in and ruining it.

At launch ele was the tankiest class with the highest dps. It could 5v1 easily and if you lost to any class besides ele you were awful. YouTube daphoenix and you’ll remember launch ele

warherox.7943:

I think the most annoying sound effect in the game has to be when the staff auto of Druid hits. Same sound effect when Dragonhunter traps are put down.

druid wins by far, I actually forgot how much I hate it until now

I also want to apologize for all the typos it was 3am. I’m going to look at it again tonight you gave great feedback

DGraves.3720:

Azure.8670:

DGraves.3720:

Grenades were never required for max DPS.

In pve? Please explain this one

I’d best not. Let’s presume I said nothing. That’s just a fight waiting to happen.

I’m at work bored and the worms are chewing at the seal of the can. Let’s get it on

I play everyday and I’ve still barely used hammer. Can’t find a power engi build I like for pve and I use necro for pvp always

DGraves.3720:

Grenades were never required for max DPS.

In pve? Please explain this one

Mortifer.2946:

cranos.5913:

What I don’t understand is why you people see the guardian only in a tank role. It could easily pick up its former job of support dps too in future raid wings. All they need to do is create encounters that actually require it. There’s no need to push the class into a niche role.

Look at it this way, if they’re only good as tanks they have 8 other classes to contend with for a single raid spot. It’s not because it’s called a “guardian” that it’s all about soaking up dmg.

Mortifer.2946:

Chronomancer was never supposed to be tank anyway. That class sounds like pure ranged dps/support.

I guess that’s why they gave it a shield huh? An offhand to go with their many one handed range options.

Yea, Arenanet should give elemetalists shield too, then they would be tanks too, right? Or maybe they can give it to thieves! Amazing! So many tanks in rags and pyjamas!!!

….The problem about support guardian is that other professions do it better than us.

Ele is not of the best tanks. I’d take a shield

Honestly I thought it was weird the first day I played rev, samething with the herald noise and haven’t noticed it since

Actually I think you can make this build much better and work well. Will test.

@ TheBravery

Ok so I went over the Traits and Weapons. I want to first say I agree with most everything you put in the trait section. I think Quick Breathing is a trait no one would ever take, War Horn needs a way bigger buff than that both baseline and for a trait. It requires aoe healing, protection, quickness etc something along those lines, because the only time war horn ever saw action was in wvw and now with revs war horn is obsolete.

I like your ideas for axe and such, and I see you acknowledge Eviscerate isnt as strong as its supposed to be, but the truth is and others have said it before me, Axe will NEVERRRR compete with Greatsword until it stacks might as well. Unless axes gets a dps increase AND attack speed increase, it just wont happen. Warrior off hands arent good enough either, so taking axe is just a loss (for the most part, it does have its uses). GS and Axe should either share, or both have a trait that gives might and thats it. Might is shooting everywhere these; everyone has might and gives might warrior just gives it consistently as long as GS is camped and its dumb.

As for Traits weapons, I strongly disagree with a lot of things you put in there. A lot of it. Not that its bad, but I think many of your suggestions were nerds more than buffs, and didnt fix much. I see the direction you wanted to go, or youre tryin to go rather, but I think if implemented the weapons could possibly be worse than they are now, especially GS. Bleeding on GS? no. It had burning in HoT BETA and it felt awkward. The only way I could see some of the suggestions you made working for weapons (and you somewhat touched up on this in traits) is if Berserker traitline offered more for condis. As it stands though, nah I dont like a lot of the ideas. You also didnt touch up on the actual damage for Mace and Hammer. As much as I complain about axe, and believe me I do a lot, Its only because Mace is completely viable, its just that GS outshines it in every scenario and makes a good weapon not good. Mace and Hammer just straight need help.

I see you want Reverts on the weapons but they werent in a good spot then so I think thats pointless. Hammer needs a 20-30% damage increase, and it does need the 5 target cleave. I wouldnt mind the weapon being slower too if each hit was harder. Mace damage needs a drop increase, and as ive said before, I think it needs to convert or destroy boons like how necro auto scepter does. Mace should not only destroy boons, but should benefit the war per boon it destroys whether it might might, healing, regen, etc.

K, other than that, I like it a lot. Good work

Sandrox.9524:

Drath.9702:

I have it, I love the weapon, but it is much cooler on ranger as the bouncing Astralaria is sweet looking. Too bad ranger axe is arguably worse than warrior axe which is saying something.

Vid? please? anyone?

I have no vids but im logged in right now, my warrior is World War Tyr im standing in LA crafting if you wanna see it

TheBravery.9615:

Azure.8670:

im going to just leave this here again as ive been doing for 3 years

The problem with balancing warrior is each one of our weapons are supposed to fit a specific role. The problem is that its not happening, basically all of our 1h weapons and off hand weapons dont do their job. With that, we are stuck using the SAME weapons for years across all game modes (for the most part). As the weapons master class, we are SUPPOSED to be relying on our weapons but we arent, we are relying on stances and traits. Our stances are good, but not good enough, and sadly, since we re relying on them we need them to be GREAT. We have a ton of good traits, but just like our weapons, they fight with one another and sadly in nearly every trait line there are some we just require and havent been made baseline. Mesmer had this same issue forever and got a LOT of them baseline.

Did you read my suggestions? They addressed everything you said.

I actually didnt read it I apologize but I will right now as im sure you gave great feedback. Will update you when I do

Edit – I just read a good amount of this and you put an unbelievable amount of work into this. when im off work tmrw ill finish up but these ideas are beautiful and balanced

if hes shooting 2 gunflames in a row, hes traited to try and insta merc you. shroud 2, poison cloud, dodge in any order and hes literally DOOMED after those 2 misses

the fact that kits are required to make nearly every build… viable, I guess thats the word I use, is the only thing that keeps engi from being my main. Its not that I dont like kits, I hate that I NEED to use them when engi has so many other things I love

video or this thread will explode in 15 charrs

im going to just leave this here again as ive been doing for 3 years

The problem with balancing warrior is each one of our weapons are supposed to fit a specific role. The problem is that its not happening, basically all of our 1h weapons and off hand weapons dont do their job. With that, we are stuck using the SAME weapons for years across all game modes (for the most part). As the weapons master class, we are SUPPOSED to be relying on our weapons but we arent, we are relying on stances and traits. Our stances are good, but not good enough, and sadly, since we re relying on them we need them to be GREAT. We have a ton of good traits, but just like our weapons, they fight with one another and sadly in nearly every trait line there are some we just require and havent been made baseline. Mesmer had this same issue forever and got a LOT of them baseline.

nades are everything. theres no escaping it

im tired so I cant write a long response but berserker all the way

This may have more potential than I’m giving credit. I. Going to run some tests for both pvp and pve

Funny thing is I can’t see the fire shield so

That’s all I’ve really got for you today folks. Axes needs a buff in general. I’ve said time and time again it needs to stack might and if it’s not then it needs a 10 percent t dps increase and maybe something else. All 1h war weps need a buff tbh maybe a trait or something but yep that’s my complaint of the day

literally and unbelievably absolutely nothing

NikeEU.7690:

Azure.8670:

NikeEU.7690:

Azure.8670:

according to DnT numbers burnzerker is still top dps at 20k.

anyone else see this?

Those were not our numbers. I consider this build dead unless you fit all of the following criteria…

1. You need ranged exclusive dps
2. Said DPS must also be condi
3. You don’t have condi necros available/geared

Ah my favorite person. Good, I didnt think those numbers were accurate. Im in LUCK and someone was positive about the current numbers from DnT post patch and it just didnt sound right to me. Thank you for confirming.

Some guild called [ST] posted a bunch of DPS graphs for classes after the patch. Their methodology left something to be desired.

I saw the graph on reddit. Im still sick.

cryorion.9532:

Come on… mace main hand in duels is actually good. As berserk mode F1 burst, it’s gold.
Why do you think mace sucks?

keyword in that sentence was duels. This game has nothing where 1v1 really shines. Even in pvp its rare youll get a “duel”. Mace has serious potential, but no, it sucks

depends on what game mode

Sird.4536:

The only way guardians will die is if we abandon it. Stay strong brothers, show the world we still matter and refuse to go over to the dark side! For our time is soon!

I feel like most guardian players went to rev anyway :\

NikeEU.7690:

Azure.8670:

according to DnT numbers burnzerker is still top dps at 20k.

anyone else see this?

Those were not our numbers. I consider this build dead unless you fit all of the following criteria…

1. You need ranged exclusive dps
2. Said DPS must also be condi
3. You don’t have condi necros available/geared

Ah my favorite person. Good, I didnt think those numbers were accurate. Im in LUCK and someone was positive about the current numbers from DnT post patch and it just didnt sound right to me. Thank you for confirming.

arthurobenzi.2619:

Burnzerker is still on top of condi dps

I can possibly agree to this on large targets, but on small/regular sized enemies I cant out dps my viper necro at all

according to DnT numbers burnzerker is still top dps at 20k.

anyone else see this?

nope not imo. I see no reason to use axe mainhand or offhand tbh. Gunflame does more than anything axe can muster and offhand axe 5 I cant seem to fit into any rotation, but I would L O V E to be wrong, since I have frostfang and finishing astralaria now

Choppy.4183:

@Azure
Is that how the fights go for you though? Ignoring that the skill works better than the old skill against condi builds without boon hate, when fighting a necro they’re not usually in a position to just auto attack me because I’m also attacking them.

If a necro did what you described, he’d be a dead necro in well under ten seconds.

I completely disagree with you about Last Stand too. Vigor is one of the best boons in the game, it synergizes extremely well with the Strength line, and you absolutely do take damage when using Endure pain. Dodging condi attacks and cc’s is a very good thing to do too.

Cerby.1069:

I’m assuming you are running a melee and a ranged set though so you don’t have to always jump through necro aoe. Full melee seems like suicide atm against necro.

No, actually. I ran a gs/s+sh all night that uses a tonne of might stacking (so boons are important to the build and I’m full melee).

I didn’t find necros any more difficult than usual, tbh. But I haven’t tested it much (e.g. dueled with a condi necro who I know is skilled). But I can say I dueled a skilled condi necro before the change, and he just kited me while the old Berserker Stance was up and then ripped in.

I’ve yet to feel threatened by condis with the new Berserker Stance up, and I was even doing a little zerg surfing last night.

I think youve got the wrong guy

But my 2 cents, I was just in wvw (didnt pvp yet) and a necro folded my warrior easily a few times over. However it wasnt boon corrupt that killed me it was poison and I could not clear it or heal through it regardless of anything I did. I think Necro is def in an amazing spot right now, but im not convinced warrior cant hold its own yet. I had a simple build on and wasnt meant for true combat as ironically I normally pvp/wvw on my necro

honestly guys, to the limit is the super heal now. This is the offensive “heal”. signet is the passive sustain heal. mending is whatever. I think it works out well… I DO wish it healed for more, a lot more, but… its good

nope. rev really has one build. even if you arent about meta builds, youll probably end up using the same build. Rev is passive and spammy, if youre looking for fun engaging gameplay move along.

not to be a rev knocker, because its probably the class I use most lately, but just being honest

Revs boon duration will always be wanted. thats about it though

Cerby.1069:

I’m assuming you are running a melee and a ranged set though so you don’t have to always jump through necro aoe. Full melee seems like suicide atm against necro.

Azure.8670:

Cerby.1069:

I’m crying….getting absolutely rekt by necromancers in WvsW now. This guy had like 20% health and most of his stuff on cd….I engage and he dodges the killhit and does cloak then lays his aoe everywhere. I hit berserker stance and immediately he strips it and I get hit by a hammer…..I use healing signet and he strips that immediately as well. arghhhhhhhh the pain. Hoelbraek runes are stupid….stupid stupid stupid why did I bother with them if this is what happens with 3 condition defenses and extra vitality and argh. /cry
I’m getting rekt by elementalists as well now….this one two shotted me with lightning from 22k hp to 2.5k hp

Im just trying to figure out where the hammer came from

I have no idea what I was thinking when I wrote that o.O

Thats a sign of truly getting your tail whooped. I salute you

I cannot sleep tonight. It is 2:33am and I have work in a few hours, but I cannot sleep.

Why cant I sleep? Because im a GW2 obsessed buffoon. As I set here making ridiculous gemstones that cost far too much, im thinking about how much I disliked today in the world of Tyria.

My favorite class, the Warrior, was given an elite spec that was supposed to be based on condi, and then was changed last minute to reflect condi/power/survival. Welp, now that were a few months in im looking at Berserker and im just not getting it. My Condi War is completely trashed now for the most part, its somewhat viable, but its just not that good at all, in fact; its pretty darn bad.

We were given a Torch as our “new” weapon, and now ill never use it.

We were given these rage skills that just arent that good and dont fit into any builds, except headbutt which I do really love.

So our new skills arent good, and our new weapon is barely viable now (it really wasnt that good to begin with but it did work). Half of our weapons are still meh and have identity crisis issues. We are attached to our Greatswords and its really annoying. I even saw my beloved Longbow bow down to Rifle today… to Rifle.

I just dont get it. I dont understand the thought process behind a lot of these changes and why you guys dont reach out to us and atleast attempt to explain it. Our Mace and Hammer absolutely suck. Our axe has a chance to be great, but its rivaling a superior weapon. Our traits are placed terribly. Why has NONE of this been addressed, or atleast acknowledged? I find myself clicking on websites.. looking at other MMOs but quickly come back to the forums because I feel like im cheating.

Ill admit it, I downloaded Blade and Soul. I came running back of course, but this is a sign. Im not happy, and other people arent either. We have weeks, months and years of feedback that is just constantly ignored without any kind of response from anyone. I dont get along with everyone, and my opinions dont reflect everyones, but I do talk to a couple of hundred people in game and were all pretty annoyed with how things are going.

TLDR; We want SAB, we want weapon reworks and we want a red post once a week.

p.s. this is not proof read and I dont give a truck

if I could just get revs sword and hammer on a guardian, id be good…

Cerby.1069:

I’m crying….getting absolutely rekt by necromancers in WvsW now. This guy had like 20% health and most of his stuff on cd….I engage and he dodges the killhit and does cloak then lays his aoe everywhere. I hit berserker stance and immediately he strips it and I get hit by a hammer…..I use healing signet and he strips that immediately as well. arghhhhhhhh the pain. Hoelbraek runes are stupid….stupid stupid stupid why did I bother with them if this is what happens with 3 condition defenses and extra vitality and argh. /cry
I’m getting rekt by elementalists as well now….this one two shotted me with lightning from 22k hp to 2.5k hp

Im just trying to figure out where the hammer came from