Guild Wars 2

Draygo.9473:

One thing i’m wondering is why fergies BL is mostly untouched this week.

:?

Also, ninjaing your keeps with suprise golem squads. Mmmm

Cuz we’ve been defending it

MartyPartys.9187:

10 quality and organized players should learn how to use the res possiblity themselves in their advantage.

As soon as you have someone go down, the zerg AoE’s like crazy, if you attempt to rez, then you just die too. Doesn’t work.
Only a zerg, or 2 groups of reletively equal numbers can use this mechanic. Hence being a zerg based mechanic.

Darxio.5672:

Balidore.2790:

Darxio.5672:

Can’t be GW2, because I remember going 10v40 and winning after the second gate broke. About 5 days ago at that.

One guardian and 6 Arrowcarts make all the difference in the world.

They can’t all revive when they’re all dead!

1 guard used 6 carts eh? lmao. And you’re on Devona… You’re the ferg/dev/kain match. At no point in time has devona been outmanned in over a month. Also… after second gate, the champ lord that aoe blasts people for 10k-20k dmg. Doesn’t exactly count as a normal fight to begin with.

Uh, actually I’m on Kaineng, and it was 40 Fergs we 10 carted down at Etheron Hills. Before crossing the bridge into the lord’s room even.

It was the most epic moment ever for our little band because we didn’t expect that guardian to do that. We just expected to die.

Saw your name and thought you were that pro guy, lol. Still, that’s siege being available man, quite different than what I’m talkin about.

And the first couple pvp videos, are purely there because someone at the top of the thread said “it’s impossible anyway,” so i was just showing it’s not.

Literally… all of you are missing the point.

“It’s a zerg favoring mechanic in a pvp game.” What else needs to be said?

Kinglette.4906:

Lol if 15 vs 30 and you have killed 15 of them without a death, kill the rest and Rez your friends that might die?

I’m not even sure you understood anything… lol. And it was a 10v30 situtation I dropped.

Also people, I’m not using an actual example of any “one time thing,” like allot are clearly assuming.

And yes, with a small group, you can focus the same people, over and over and over again, killing them 4 times till they finally die, but it’s silly that you have to.

Smokee.1754:

Sounds like the op still has alot to learn about the game.

Hint #1 – bottleneck your enemy

Hint #2 – Use siege

Hint #3 – If you fail ( like you did ), go try something else instead of wasting your time on the forums crying

Hint #4 – If you are still in doubt, look at some of the HB videos, and I am sure you will figure it out. Link is in the signature.

GL HF, I am sure you will figure it out some day.

Your videos are nothing but you either zerging, or having npcs on your side, lmao. Also, I didn’t see any of your enemies efficiently combat rezzing. You obviously didn’t watch the last vid I posted, and have no clue of what you’re talking about.

No one has answered the riddle yet.

hint #2

You can kill 10 people in 20 seconds, but if they have 40 people, they can rez them, in combat, in 5 seconds. What game am I playing?

Same.4687:

I’m just going to stop discussing this and leave you with this. AOE caps at 5 (some skills are exempt of this rule) but its not impossible to beat a group of 20 with just a group of 5. If you have the advantage on skill and KNOW they will be ressing you could always focus on that area and try to get 2 to down state while they got 1 up. Rinse repeat.

The REAL issue with combat ressing is with the current turtle fad that’s going on. Where sick amount of people stack on top of each other and go “lol 90% of AoE has a cap”. Those who DO get hit and get to down state are brought back up in a matter of seconds.

This is why down state should be cut out of the game. Ressing a person back to life should not be taken out cause it’s a vital component.

Yes, you are absolutely right, but that is the skill cap. Which is the exact problem. It’s a so called PvP game with a skill cap, that favors zergs..

Also, the vids are a 100% perfect example. Know why? They’re all bad players in all vids. Yet the last vid, is all bad players combat rezzing, and invincible because of it.

Same.4687:

Balidore.2790:

Like most skill based games do? Yes, keep going.

Balidore.2790:

And my guild wins 5v20 on the regular. As long as they’re too arrogant to combat rez. And trust me, us 5 have no opportunity to combat rez, lmao. It’s an obvious zerg mechanic.

Balidore.2790:

Elthurien.8356:

Portal Wars
15 characters zzz

No portal, just skill. Try again. Would you like videos?

Everything posted by you in this thread is some kind of smack talk or skill boast. However you play on a T8 server where as a Mesmer wearing light armor you can stand in a group of atleast 10-12 people down a guy AND stomp him. From the start of the clip (video 3) it takes you 30 seconds of running around IN THE ENEMY GROUP to get the lowbie ranger dead. For 30 seconds the enemy group didn’t manage to kill a single mesmer running around in their ranks killing a fellow server mate.
It’s obvious to see you have more skill than the opponents in the videos but that’s like saying you know more than a toddler, it’s hardly a compliment.

If you want to see the issues with combat rezzing you should check out vids where 2 zerg turtles of 50/60/70 people each are firing AoE’s at eachother. There will be people getting pushed to down state constantly and ressed back in seconds. Down state is a nice PvE feature but shouldn’t be in place in PvP or WvW simple as that. It doesn’t mix well with the AoE cap of damage skills.

I spent some time on DarkHaven, and saw no different result. Bad is bad. Not to mention, what you’re saying has absolutely nothing, at any given point in time, to say it’s not a zerg based mechanic. Know why? Cuz it undeniably is.

Zerg based mechanic, is a zerg based mechanic. Use all the excuses you want. It is what it is. It ruins skill, and adds zerging. On every level.

Darxio.5672:

Can’t be GW2, because I remember going 10v40 and winning after the second gate broke. About 5 days ago at that.

One guardian and 6 Arrowcarts make all the difference in the world.

They can’t all revive when they’re all dead!

1 guard used 6 carts eh? lmao. And you’re on Devona… You’re the ferg/dev/kain match. At no point in time has devona been outmanned in over a month. Also… after second gate, the champ lord that aoe blasts people for 10k-20k dmg. Doesn’t exactly count as a normal fight to begin with.

Same.4687:

I understand your issue with downed state and combat rezzing but I don’t understand why you put those video’s up there? You talk about skill but anyone who has a pair of eyes will see that your opponents are 6 feet below Terribad on the WvW skill ladder..

After checking, lol I’m going to transfer to a T8 server with a 3 orb buff and start my fraps.

For those not interested in bad rock music I will recap his amazing youtube footage of “skill” (mind you it’s on a T8 server…)

Video 1:
You’re kidding right? You were allowed to stomp a guy while 6-7 of his/her serverbuddies just stood there autoattacking a door.

Video 2:
7/8 Devona’s Rest players that clearly have no clue what they are doing. There is absolutely nothing in that video to be proud of…

Video 3:
He is able to get into a group of 12 Kaineng players who obviously have no clue what they are doing outside of autoattacking something. He can down a person, stomp him (btw this all happens in this same group of 12 people) and blink out without so much as 10k hp disappearing.

Dude really, again I feel your pain on down state but don’t act high and mighty. I’m a mediocre player but I play on a T1 server and this just doesn’t happen there. You would have gotten your face peeled off.

Ok, for 1. Watch the vid, they have orb buffs too.
For 2, I told you the best vids are too big cuz I’ve been recording in HD.
For 3, the whole point of this is that the zerg should lose to better players, so I have no idea what you mean by “they just stand there,” most zerglings do, lmao.
For 4, the vids were purely meant for proof. you can obviously see they’re set to private.

This is by no means trying to brag. It’s purely meant to fix the game. if I wanted to brag, I have much better vids from since I’ve gotten full exotics, not to mention a ton more players to the guild. but I don’t care, I just want the game fixed.

hint #1-
You could actually kill everyone single one of these 30 people, one by one, and they’ll still be alive at the end.

Forest.4197:

counter-strike?

No. None come, none leave. Meaning no respawn. All killed, yet still there.

No one’s answered my riddle yet. I guess i’ll simplify.

15 of 30 are killed, yet 30 still remain. What game am I playing?

The good vids with all of us are too big for me to bother loading, but you get the picture. Now here’s a video of what happens when no brain, no skill combat rezzing is introduced… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTJ7xNgniac

Elthurien.8356:

Portal Wars
15 characters zzz

No portal, just skill. Try again. Would you like videos?

And my guild wins 5v20 on the regular. As long as they’re too arrogant to combat rez. And trust me, us 5 have no opportunity to combat rez, lmao. It’s an obvious zerg mechanic.

Like most skill based games do? Yes, keep going.

Riddle me this…

10 top quality, organized players defend a keep. 30 bad, unorganized bad players attack. No extra players come, none leave. 10 skilled and organized players kill 15 of the 30 without deaths or downs, yet 30 still remain by no brain combat rezzing. What game am I playing?

Themanbat.3206:

I don’t like these odds O.O

Looks normal to me.

Jhor.4350:

Balidore.2790:

I understand you guys have 3 times our numbers, so you have a good chance of winning anyway, but we’re still wanting to fight you guys even, 3:1. The fact that you NoQQ guys are still pulling little kitten tactics with that kinda ratio.. Have to say, I’ve honestly lost any form of respect I had for you guys. Man up.

Actually not sure what we did to even piss you off. You guys are almost impossible to kill, and have great timing backdooring us while we’re backdooring Dev.

Anyway…good luck I guess.

Na, I was just drunk and wanted a good fight is all, lol. You guys just would only show up at the exact worst times ever. I don’t even know how many times we were just cleaning up and/or in the middle of a good fight and were like, “kitten, NoQQ,” and had to run for the hills, lol. Well played.

revcornelius.6519:

Balidore.2790:

I understand you guys have 3 times our numbers, so you have a good chance of winning anyway, but we’re still wanting to fight you guys even, 3:1. The fact that you NoQQ guys are still pulling little kitten tactics with that kinda ratio.. Have to say, I’ve honestly lost any form of respect I had for you guys. Man up.

Sorry we flanked you to cut you off from running to guards. Sorry you died in a PVP zone. I didn’t know we had your respect to begin with.

It’s a simple as this, you guys run a 1 – 5 man mesmer and thief heavy gank group looking for small fights. You enjoy that and that’s great. We enjoy running a coordinated zerg busting group.

If you want to fight us, get more people and stand your ground. If you win, great. You are good at a video game.

Easy to say “stand your ground,” when you only attack someone just as they’re finishing off 15-20 devona and have no cooldowns…. Consistently. I understand it’s the tactically right thing to do, but seriously… And we had 1 guardian, 1 ele and 1 warrior lol.

I understand you guys have 3 times our numbers, so you have a good chance of winning anyway, but we’re still wanting to fight you guys even, 3:1. The fact that you NoQQ guys are still pulling little kitten tactics with that kinda ratio.. Have to say, I’ve honestly lost any form of respect I had for you guys. Man up.

Happyfool.8951:

hi i’m also an altaholic and i want to focus on WvW.

i want to focus more on small scale skirmishes (because my pc is kitten), i’ve read some of the suggestions above but they are for large scale sieges and zergVSzerg’s

Hands down.. the thief. If you end up getting zerged, they can never catch you. Fighting outnumbered, you can stealth to do your finishers all day long. Also, a thief can drop most average players in just a few seconds, even with a fairly defensive build.

Willowisp.6490:

Well shucks… I got my kitten handed to me last night! 95% it was by a larger force (which in fairness is all I attack) but there were some skilled players out there that gave me what-for in some smaller skirmishes. One [WAR] ranger and [Sos] engineer i fought 2v1 was also a good fight I lost but the Ranger would have made for a great 1v1 and give me a run for my money! [Btsy] got me a bunch of times while harassing the Devona’s and Kain zergs. The dudes won’t fight even if they outnumber you but they sure do show up the moment you’re otherwise disposed and the scales are wildly in their favor. Some would call it absolute cowardice and lack of skill to use a pure glass cannon heartseeker spec and only fight weakened opponents, but I guess that’s the point they’re going for. They ARE “thieves” after all, so i’ll take these buggers a little more seriously next time and take my lunch money back. #Slightlybutthurt hahah

Also, last night I saw some 1v1 dueling start up with [WAR], [ENVY], and myself that was some good fun. I’d love to see more of that! I’d be willing to put 50silver wagers (or any wager really) on the outcomes of the fights of anyone willing to challenge me to a duel. Lets turn the orchard into 1v1 arena gametime for greed and glory!

Those 1v1’s were epic fun We’re gonna have to do that again.

Etna.1634:

Themanbat.3206:

Hmm. I think you might be the one I named my “arch nemesis” Did I fight you and 4 or 5 others (including a siege golem) at a camp in Kaineng BL? That was a fun one. Lots of badges

Haha, arch nemesis…

No, don’t think that was me, I would’ve remembered a fight like that.

I did however have an epic fight with one of you ENVY mesmers a week or so back that lasted for a good 3 or 4 minutes, starting at the south east supply camp goin all the way back to your spawn. Unfortunately 2 of my fellow Kainengs added so you, if it was you, had to retreat into safety and we never got to finish it. That was the best 1v1 I’ve had so far in WvW so was really sad it got interrupted.

That was probably him actually. There’s only 2 mesmers in Envy, I would a remembered a long 1v1 like that for sure.

Long story short… All the classes have strengths and weaknesses. All are very effective if the player plays it well. On the other hand… if ya suck at the game, playing a thief or warrior would be the way to go. Not saying they’re OP, just saying… they’re easy classes to be good at, lol.
Thief- stealth allot, backstab, and spam the 2 button.
Warrior- stun a bunch, use hundred blades.
All other classes… Well, would take too long to list how to play any of them effectively.

edit- neither of those classes even need to bother with weapon swap to be effective, lol. Either one can win with 3-4 buttons. I’m not trolling, I’m being honest. It’s that easy.

thenoobler.7540:

Ya Neal, that [Envy] mesmer is just one skilled dude, ive foguht him with 2 guys beside me adn he downed both of them, i said screw this and got out of dodge… saw hima few more times… he couldn’t kill me, and neither could i even come cloe to killing him… but man did he mangle and take down everyone else beside me in every encounter lol

Oh and the whole “wait till during the week that’s when we are gunna catch up” excuse isnt gunna fly this week my DR pals.

You had it easy last 2 weeks. War and iSPY took the first week off entirely, as did SoS. Last week half of us were back, but not SoS at all. Now all of War and iSPY are back, and so is SoS.

Look forward to tongiht’s fighting. Im sure primetime will as suually be a slugfest all 3 ways.

You’re that invincible guardian Man… I remember just straight dpsing you while you were rezzing someone. Literally, no dodging, moving, nothing, just straight dps, and I still couldn’t hurt ya, lol. Good fights man.

And c’mon people, small grps still help allot. How many times have you went to defend ur keep from a zerg, and u had no supply cuz 2-3 people kept taking em all day? Also, I’ve held off numerous reinforcements from getting anywhere close to being able to get to their twr/keep to defend. I remember me n 2 others spawn killing 15+ devona over and over again, then they started writing us calling us ‘griefers,’ yet they didn’t realize, while we were killing em at their spawn, our main grp was taking the entire map undefended. And I don’t think the zerg is gonna miss 3 people.

Also, to add to that same fight. 6 of them moved to the side to try and take out one of our ballistas, I jumped down to fight them, and me n the guy on the ballista killed all 6 of them. Then the 25-30 others came running, so I dodhed threw them back in to the keep, immediately ran to the top to continue fighting. By the time I got to the top, all 6 we just killed were fully rezzed, back to ful;l health, and killing our ballista.
On what planet do you call that tactics and skill? It’s literally, the worst mechanic, ever put in to pvp.

None of that changes the fact that after a certain number, the larger force becomes literally invincible. Use whatever excuse or reasoning, but it’s broken.

I literally just sat at a keep defense where we had 11 people (i’m on an insanely small server). We had about 35 at our gate. Us few set up siege in significantly better tactical ways than they did. We literally never even let them place any siege at all for more than a few seconds. They then simply started meleeing down the rienforced door. I went outside, I killed atleast 8-10 of them. Downed more than I can even count with the assistance of our siege. Yet…. not a single one stayed dead, because they could combat rez faster than we could kill them. We were the better, more tactical team, yet it was impossible, because this mechanic makes zergling scrubs invincible, literally.

This single mechanic ruins any and all tactical ability/knowledge, or skill in this game. This mechanic makes it nothing but a massive zerg fest, of whoever has more.

Drednyte.7601:

@Balidore.2790

Bro I wont argue the point with you. I was there and I know what I saw. And i also know the quality of folks on DR. You would not/could not have held the garrison vs a prolonged siege with paper gates and no supplies with 9 v 25 (as you say). If you had 9 players, then you had a heck of a lot of bots defending too.

And I’m a mesmer commander that was in there, not sure if anyone else was there as a mes commander. And it wasnt me that crashed out before the spike. Heck i’m vocal about removing the lame “fight to survive” crap in WvW, u die, u die period imho. But i do remember a rather large zerg taking quite a while to drop lil ole me and whoever was trying to spike me….look behind you, a teammate managed the spike as he knew what to look for when a mez goes down. =)

it was all good though, had a blast.

My main is a mesmer, and I never mistake the downed clone. You Alt-F4’d. In fact…. your entire reply is a buncha kitten. You had a PRO tag, I know this, because I chased you 1/4 of the map to kill you just before you hit alt-f4.

And we didn’t kill you, you retreated, remember? That’s how 9 beat you. We killed your siege, you couldn’t kill ours, and you ran.

You PRO guys, or atleast Drednyte exaggerate so bad it’s incredible… I lead the garr defense he’s talking about, we had 9 people… They just weren’t able to put down any siege due to us killing it all. Then we killed them as they ran out. After that, we gained a few more and were roughly 15 as we took everything back. Devona had no less than 25 the entire time, and I’m being generous. Also… the PRO mesmer commander leading it did an Alt-F4 as I was about to finish him, very lame.
I don’t mid ya telling stories, even bring it out of context for all I care, but don’t straight lie, it’s pathetic. I bet you’re the alt-f4 guy.

Yeah, I’m not sure where your numbers come from Drednyte. The past 2 weeks on Ferg, my most common buff is the Outmanned buff. It’s there pretty much anywhere we go.

The 1-2 grps you see capping supply camps are either pve’rs trying to get karma, or during the other 90% of time that we’re so outnumbered, there’s nothing else to do really.

Omni and Sanc were the 2 zerg guilds in Ferg, and they’re both gone. Not sure what happened to Omni tbh, but Sanc has left for good :/

I fail to see how being in EB is an…. ‘issue,’ lol.

And in DAoC, owning all the relics, was at the least, 10 times harder to get than owning the orbs in this game. On top of that, they added significantly less buffs to the people who had them.

All the quitters in Ferg left a long time ago, lol. Only the 8-15 of us that never quit left. Then we have some rando pve’rs come out of the works on rare occasion.

Btw Devona, that 1v20 at FaithLeap earlier, I wouldn’t have started being cheesy about stopping you from taking it, if you wouldn’t have been cheesy and started combat rezing in 1v20. Very lame.

Epic you guys are awesome over at GW2 hq.

Yeah… that’s a bug. It’s been happening on the Ferg/Devona/Kaineg fight for 2 weeks now. What’s happening, is enemy orb defenders are randomly spawning, and destroying the altars.
You can literally sit in a lord room that has an orb and watch them spawn. No one is hacking you.

The ‘best’ fix. Would be to get rid of downed state in PvP zones completely, and only allow rezzing when out of combat. There’s plenty of healing and dodging in this game. In PvP, dead should be dead.

I think I finally get what’s going on here… I had to think like a zergling that’s only ever played WoW to understand, but I get it, and I’ll explain.

In a ‘real’ pvp game. With siege, Castles, keeps, etc… Team work and skill is this…. You have a grp of 5 of your best players on the server. The leader asks those 5 people to hold off a keep from 25 attackers, while the main force captures the enemy objectives. That is skill and teamwork in a real pvp siege game.

Now I’ll explain the problem with this game….. The best thing you can do, is just pile up as massive amount of random people as possible, tell them all to rez eachother, and build lots of siege stuff.

That’s not teamwork or skill, that’s just rezzing massive amounts of people in order to be invincible.

We’re talking about all forms of WvW, not just standing at a wall with rams. Sometimes 10 people need to go attack a treb with 25 people too. Sometimes 10 people need to hold ground against 25 while others take an objective. You can’t take 1 instant with a magical ‘hope of tons of siege and magical supply that appeared from no where’ and say that one instance makes it balanced.
You clearly run in massive zergs all day. So let me inform you how it goes…. 3 people, have 30 supply. So those 3 have to fight. Those 3 are better than the 15 attacking. The 3 kill 5 of the 15 without being killed themselves, then the other 10 stop fighting, and all rez the others…. And the 3 are back to square 1, with nothing accomplished, and can do nothing about it.

If you don’t fight out numbered on the regular…. You have no right to speak on the issue btw… just sayin…
Also, anyone who ‘does’ fight outnumbered, needs this mechanic gone to accomplish ‘anything.’ Logically, the only ones who like the combat rez mechanic, r people who suck, always have a zerg, and get rezzed allot when in fact they should be dead.

It’s a fact, not an opinion. This mechanic makes it truly impossible for the winners to win, if the opposing side gets to a certain degree of number advantage, they can rez faster than the smaller, better, more organized group can kill. So even though the smaller grp can win, and should. It’s made literally impossible by this game breaking mechanic, that shouldn’t exist in any form of pvp.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Combat-Rezzing-Needs-to-Change/first

Edit: like… holy kitten, is siege not enough for you zerglings? The dmg there alone is insanity, but you’ll never see me ask to get rid of it. Why not? Cuz a skilled player can work around that, that’s something that can be overcome with skill.
A zerg combat rezzing themselves to the point of literally being truly invincible, is an absolutely 100% impossible mechanic to surpass is any way.

I think the real issue is…. Blinding. Thieves actually have to have a degree of skill to Cloak and Dagger, also, u can hit them.
What’s happening in this video, is the same issue I see all the time. He’s only stealthing a little bit, but he’s blinding you. The person who applies the blind, you can’t see. The blind is an aoe too, it takes no skill once so ever to apply, and their’s no cooldown on it, they can use it all day long.
I see lots of people confuse stealth with blind. Thieves can’t stealth forever, but they can blind forever.

Siege.4280:

@Zizanzi I wasn’t going ot pust this pic on here. But after your post I figured why not, if we are all going to brag.

This happened just the other night. on 10/29

@GregorClegane Dirty tricks. What about kaineng attacking Sm and freg on the same walling helping them today. You guys have teamed up to get DR.

That wasn’t “Ferg,” that was me, lol. I did it because Ferg didn’t have near the numbers to compete at the time, and Devona is winning, so helping Kain kill Dev, was just the correct thing to do. lol, and fun
The couple times the Ferg grp came, they attacked everyone. Even hit the Kain tower, I don’t think that counts as ferg siding with kain because of 1 guy later on….

So… clearly everyone agrees that it’s a poor reason… but what would be a better idea on how to get it? lol.
You can’t go to college for tactics for 4 yrs in gw2… You don’t have experienced Generals to offer you a commission in gw2… Heck, even in real life there’s tons of terrible commanders, lol.

I understand the complaint. But if you have no solution, it’s just bickering, nothing else until then.

Just watched it again. a guy from YUMM too. Were 3 unguilded. 2 still on the ledge, and an ele that was alrdy in we killed.

Not you, some people we stopped, it’s in HD, so will take time to load. I’ll post the fraps if you like. One guy was from KWBH, one from RED, one from AoD, and some unguilded.
I promise you, it is a fact I can prove.
Thanks

I’ll give em all the credit in the world for making a new age version of the best type of pvp game play ever… but I also give em all the credit for making it completely zerg biased and having fail, game breaking mechanics in it.

I’ll call it a love/hate thing.

SolarWind.5693:

Fergs cannot win without cheating. Period. Your server is a joke. Our orb was taken by Fergs. It fell on the ground while Fergs had it. One of them picked it up and glitched it. We retook the keep the orb was at but the Fergs still have the orb counted for them. Many Fergs log out to avoid death too. Cowards and little girls is what you are.

I can’t even count, how many dev n kain log out to get away from me on a daily basis. You’re pretty short sited if you think your server doesn’t have the same type of people, lmao. Your orbs are glitched just as often, now… the Ferg BL orb has been perma glitched for a long time, that’s no ones doing, that’s those silly npcs respawning and causing tons of issues and unexpected glitches.
Get the facts before you start crying