Guild Wars 2

I have no comment.. i can only look, try to think of something to say to troll him, but then by the same token, kinda agree with a lot of what he says.

playing the elementalist is like playing as DAN in street fighter, when everyone else is playing AKUMA and RYU.

ok, I think they should RAISE the bonus for defending a node.. like 20pts.
capturing an uncontested node should give 5.

capturing a contested node should give normal.

and I think a bonus should be given to players who win a fight vs superior odds.
in warhammer we used to run and hide when outnumbered. then they introduced a system that gave us more points for fighting against superior odds and as an underdog.
so lastnight I won a 2vs3 fight, i would have liked more than just 30pts for it =/

id like a 15 vs 15 deathmatch. especially for us pubsters who just want to run out and beat on people for a few hours after school/work

I feel you brother…
19 years of playing pvp games and all my peoples have gotten old and want to pvE. I jus wanna come home from work and roll people and get rolled in team play.

gwawer.9805:

Remove it

Only encourages Gankfest random SPVP

SPVP ganking is bad enough as it is with the high burst builds and zergs

Now you will get kids sitting in spvp all day ganking ppl not doing objs

its a PVP GAME…… the problem with the game NOW is that with all the players from WoW comming here and playing with us pvpers, you guys are AVOIDING COMBAT to score “points”

I cant tell you how many times I am at a node and someone runs up, sees me and runs away. or me and a team mate will walk up, see 2 other enemy and my team mate runs.

how many times have you been in a game and you take base A and the enemy takes base C, most people just go the back way to base A from C and its a constant swapping of bases with no combat.

its a pvp game, lets encourage MORE pvp.

KITTEN “team play” and “POINTZ”
thats for wow children

I come from NWN UO DAoC and WARHAMMER. nothing but a pvp background. the ONLY stat that ever matters is me killing you and me not dying. any zerg scrub can dive bomb in and kill someone and die… pop quickness charge adn hundred bladez… then die after getting your kill.

you can be jerome bettis and be bad for a very long time and compile a boat load of lifetime yards and lifetime touchdowns. but everyone knows Barry sanders was the best, he had the most yards per game and most yards per run. dont be jerome.. be barry.

KDR is the only thing that matters to REAL pvp’ers
emphasis on REAL.

its a DAMAGE SHIELD….. have any of you played an mmorpg before?
they only have this ability in ALL rpgs for the past 15 years…………

dont get me wrong, I FAVOR classes that are hard to use hard to manage but have high upside.
im just currently seeing hard to use to get AVERAGE effects.

I play my gun warrior with 15% of my playing time, and get INSANE amounts of kills with him compared to my ele and I prety much only use 2 buttons and wait for quickness cooldown.

why do people always give comments on how to spec and play pve better? i think anyone can figue otu the pve part.. its the PVP that required input

OK, Ill make these changes tonight and let you know how it goes…
it never seems to be conditions that kill me though, its always DAMAGE.

but we will see tonight.
thanks

I will bottom line it for you,

PEOPLE PLAY WHAT IS MOST POWERFUL.

the more powerful the more peopel play it. go into any pub game and mark down the classes you see over the next hour as 2handed mezmer and dagger thief appear all over and over again.
draw conclusion

if it was balanced we would see as many dagger thieves as dagger necros.

the screen shot is funny to me…
the BIG 2handed skill with a cooldown (mighty blow) hits for 2k, but the hartseeker which is spammed off a 1handed weapon 5 times.. hit for an average of 3.8k
almost DOUBLE the damage ? ouch seriously?

Its funny because over on the guardian forums we are all asking “how do you kill a thief and mezmer” and the response is “currently defense and healing dont scale as well as damage and crit” which i tend to agree with.
it is a RARE occation that I win a 1v1.

High damage thieves burst me down as a full bunker, if they get in trouble they call in Sammy and Dean

Mezmers …. not gonna happen as a guard

Necros not a chance as a guard

ranger kites better than we can chase and deals more dmage than we can heal

thieves are not bad against bunker, the spec you are using is bad against bunker. we all know bunker guardians work off Buffs and healing.
STEAL THE BUFFS and use poision to stop the healing and conditions to wear down the guardian. Works with the necro……………

wow thats a rather GOOD suggestion.

Which is funny because warhammer online solves their stealth problem the same way, they made your combat resource drain while you were in stealth.

but right now I dont know any thieves who put 20+ points in the healing+vitality tree, yet i know many warriors, and rangers who do, and EVERY guardian Engi, Ele and necro does. when you can exit combat you dont have to worry about taking damage.

Proeliator.8740:

Wolfe.3097:

and if it crit for 8k you were probably below 25% hp in which case cry me a freaking river its a execute ability its supposed to hit hard at that point.

I don’t think anyone would complain about a finisher doing a decent amount of damage. It’s not really a finisher though when you can just keep clicking it until someone is dead. The way it works now even if a person is at say 40% life it still doesn’t hurt to start spamming it because you will stay auto locked on target and eventually they will be at 25% and dead. That’s not a finisher that’s like a “special” move you can always use.

Lets compare that to say a warriors “eviscerate” which works very similarly to HS. Eviscerate requires adrenaline which you have to build up. It has a 10 second cooldown so even if you had unlimited adrenaline you couldn’t spam it. It acts as a gap closer which makes it extremely valuable. Basically you want to set it up vs just being able to spam it until it lands because if you miss you won’t be able to use it again for a bit.

Do you see the difference?

you make a very valid point. and have done it in a very well explained argument.

As an elementalist my POWER MOVE is dragon tooth. its a power aoe damaeg + dot and can crit for 4k , but its on a 10 sec cooldown as well.

yes Im all for getting out of the capture point system as well. as someoen who plays pug spvp, most games turn into AVOIDING combat. i have people litterally walk up to a point, see me and turn the other way, on my ELE!!
most games are won by the team that avoids combat and just caps empty bases.

while that would be cool in a pve game like warcraft, i dont want this in a pvp game like guildwars 2

ya the fact that it is a teleporting, tracking high damage ability + gap closer is what makes it a 1 button wonder. you dont really need to aim and hit your target. other melee have to rely on geting in range and missing . hs tracks and still deals high damage which is why EVERYONE plays a hs spamming thief.
if you get in trouble as a thief and panic, you can press HS multiple times and roll the dice for crits. no other class can you really PANIC and press 1 button without aiming.

and its a LEAP finisher that can be spamed, thus giving MORE stealth to a class that already has too much.
Im all for raising the damage on hartseeker, adding a cooldown.

but you dont get any damage defense or healing from any of the meditations.
2 deal damage and 1 removes boons and turns them into buffs.
most of my deaths come from thieves bursting me down, warriors bursting me down or rangers shooting me 75 times with crossfire. conditions usually are not a HUGE problem. a problem, but not usually where most of my deaths come from.
so does meditation mastery heal for THAT much? that I can use it to bunker 2 burst people for more than 20 sec?

because when you summon an elemental, the earth one is the weakest the fire one is CLEARLY the best so it all balances out in the end perhaps to make the stances equal?

Ive been doing mmorpgs for 19 years bro, wanna know how you know a class is balanced or unbalanced? look around
if everyone is playing a certain class, its too powerful. if everyone is not playing a praticular class as much, its UNDERpowered.

everyone claimed “oh i play archers because im an archer person”
then they came to warhammer and saw the shadow warrior and all of the sudden lost interest.
“I played a thief in dungeons and dragons and played a rogue in wow.. i always play stealthers” but then when they played the witchhunter they suddenly lost intrest in playing a stealther.
everyone claims to hate playing a healer, yet when the best damage class in warhammer turned out to be the healer, EVERYONE rolled one.

Street fighter, everyone claimed to be a HUGE Ibuki fan. so they brought her back. but the only reason people were ibuki fans is because she was a top tier class in the previous version. so when they brought her back, she was not as powerful and thus nobody played her.

I see very few elementalist. I see more of late, and they are all dagger dagger changing stances as fast as they can and spamming buttons in mindless directions…….. obviously copycat syndrome. other than that? still all warriors with hundred baldes and shield, dagger thief, shortbow rangers and a zilloion greatsword mezmers.

my favorite is getting people to chase me (which always happens since half of you came from WoW) and then using lightning flash to jump up to the rafters on Khylo and then ride the lightning while jumping off the other side. so I can pretty much go from 1 courtyard in front of the treb, over to the other starting base with 2 cooldowns!

and pug pvp….. which the other 80% of the game is playing…
Damage is king. weather it be dps, condition or burst. all 3 rule.

the meta has never changed for pug pvp. it started out with dagger thieves and 2handed mezmers and 2handed warriors and is now…. dagger thieves, 2hmezmers and shortbow rangers.
I pug spvp with 99% of my playtime. and have yet to meet a thief that I can redily take 1v1 nor a mezmer.

oh and if you wanna kill my bunker guardian or bunker elementalist… bring a necro. condition damage and boon removal eat us alive.

not to brag about a game that was 10 years ago but… wasnit I one of the highest ranked rp holders?
I know we got rolled daily by the torid and echoic crew but kitten if we didnt outscore the rest of the US servers.
I click, I clicked then , I click now.
you get to your buttons faster than I do by pressing the buttons and mouse turning by a half sec, I pick my targets FOUR TO FIVE sec quicker by clicking on my target with my mouse.
in daoc the most important part of the fight was head to head on incomming picking out your targets.
I cant TAB past the 15 mezmer clones, the roots that the million fotm hutnters drop, and the thief posse thats always up from one of the many fotm thieves …. to get to the target i HAVE TO kill.

the whole CLICKER vs mouse turner thing was way overblown in WoW forums. kinda like the whole “ZOMG YOU WEAR BRIEFS? you must only wear boxers” thing got overblown in the late 90’s. now look, 10 years later we are all wearing boxer briefs.

I play with a standard mouse and a standard keyboard.
I did in 2001 with daoc
I did in 1994 with neverwinter nights
I did in 2007 in warhammer online
and I did in Rift.
and I do now.

if your good your good.
If you are ok your ok. IM just ok in this game. but my DECISION MAKING is what makes or breaks my fights, not how fast I get to my keys. this aint starcraft.

Ascleph.2147:

Clicking will never be as fast as hotkeys… why is this even being discussed? If you want to click go ahead, but dont pretend that its fast.

if u click, you came up in the UO, DAoC generation.. and thus clickers are BETTER pvpers than mouse turner circle straife kids who came up thinking final fantasy 7 was a good rpg and that WoW is the mother of all mmos.

Pirhana.8935:

At first i thought you were talking about DAOC Paladin, and i was really interested, then i opened it and it said WoW and it made me sad

you gotta understand bro… we are lost souls. DAoC was the early 2000s, these kids were eating crayons back then. they wouldnt know what a chant pali is.
jus remember, my Champ will eat your pali

LOL yeah i forgot about STAFF, the great mezzmer killer. youuse a staff and just mezz his clones all kinds of up. you wont kill him but he sure will troll him as bad as they troll everyone else.

there is no way to beat a mezmer other than having lots of bursty aoe and high single damage dot

when I have stacks of might up ankittenep leaping after him with 2h hammer and activage the dot on him is the only time i get a kill on a mezmer. but 70% of the time this dosent happen .
you will NOT beat a good mezmer or a good thief. they will just exit the fight then come back once they have their cooldowns and destroy you.

SO topic says it all, Ive googled and all I seem to come up with are people playing NON “bunker builds”

I came up wit my own solo pug spvp spec.
http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mcccMM0M0MvRGmMmCFm9MGxGVRMkaMs8kii7kiU7070c7kNc70V7ofF

save yoruself
hold the line
signet of judgement

I gear using the toughness vitality runes
but using the clerics amulet and jewl

this leaves me with 14k ish hp
so when I get hartseeker spammed to death people say “DUDE YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DIE YOU ONLY HAVE 14k HP BRO” (see attachment)

so do i use soldiers and now have no healing?

people claim they can tank 2-3 people with their guardians, I seem to have problems LIVING against 1 on a point. I just died to a scepter spec guardian 1v1 so now I figure i gotta be doin SOMETHING wrong with spec and gear.

any suggestions on making myself a better solo pug bunker?

On my ele, stack boon duration and that helps me stay alive longer, should I give up the toughness vital and condition removal of the soldiers runes in favor of stacking earth and water runes for longer regen and longer protection duration?

which is more important, protection, retalliation or regen?
Hold the line > Stand your ground ?

name me a game where the thief class has not been overpowered at one point the best class hands down in the game.
name me a game where the bottom tier class has EVER at any point been the rogue class ?

2001- DAOC, remember when nightblades could backstab with a 2handed axe and not lose stealth if they killed you in 1 shot…. but since it was with a TWO HANDED AXE… they could kill anyone that wasnt a tank or healer outright. Remember IWINfiltrators?

2004- World of warcraft – Rogues

2006- Warhammer online Witch elves, pbaoe 4 sec knockdown on a 10 sec timer for a class that can 2 shot you is fair right?
How about burnawayLOLs? a finisher that put a dot on the target that ticked for 15% of your life per tic..

2009- Rift: planes of telara Launch: Sabotours.. 1 shot ANY CLASS, with 8 sec of prep time bombs on them, no counter.
Marksman Hey lets give a ranged class the ability to aoe life leach+ heal debuff … thus making a perma heal debuff on everyone and turning the rogue IMMORTAL because they leach 40% of alll healing of everyone in the scenario
Nightblades in general

i can name you MANY games that got the melee healer and didnt make it overpowered. you only remember wow
I remember DAOC monk (LOL) daoc warden daoc aug healer daoc valewalker, daoc valkery were FAR from op.

dragon tooth. 4 sec cast time, big red tooth falls out of the sky on your head that you can avoid.
FOUR.
the largest crit i have ever had on this ability was 3k
you would think an ability THAT SLOW , would have a risk vs reward

the problem is backstab can be done twice in a fight and hit upwards of 14k. AND THEN you can disappear after doing it.

i cant think of any game thats had stealth that let you normally remove yourself from combat with stealth and let you redo your backstab attacks.
can you imagine if you were allowed to do this nonsense in D&D?

think about how many times we have seen a thief kill you with 4 hartseekers or just unload on you with pistol shots til you are down…. did they use STEAL, their class mechanic?

ever been crossfire spammed to death? they didnt use their class mechanic either.

i have NEVER….. EVER… been a fight and not switched stances. even if i dont hit all 4, i will AT LEAST switch once before i die. now a days I swap constantly til i die.

See here is where I differ from a lot of the people who grew up in wow

i am all in favor of “anti moron” buttons being THE MOST powerful moves in the game.
In warhammer we had an ability that did 300 damage for 2 sec. dosent sound powerful in a game where people had 4k life right? the tool tip said if the charachter MOVES, then every step they take refreshes the timer. so people would get hit by “grok sez stop” and die because they would never stop moving. wanna know who hated it the most? all the wow kids who rerolled as “rogues” and “rangers” who played by bunny hopping all over the place…. those kids took lots of damage and died from 1 spell.

Rift we had a spell. “deals 200 damage” over 10 sec.
not very powerful eh in a game where people had 8k hp eh?
but
every time the target was healed, it REFRESHED the duration, AND casted another stack. I could put it on a healer type and they would litterally walk around for 2 minutes with 20 stacks on trying to OUT HEAL IT!!!

im not in favor of abilities that kill quicker than you can react, which is why I am down on rogue types who can attack from stealth, kill quickly and then get away. this is why the only rogue class i approved of was from DAOC, where stealthers had to COMBO… no not combo points where you spam 1 button then a finisher.. no in daoc they had to combo from stealth. a chain of 6 attacks from the front (high + a large dot) which would kill anything other than a Tank or High HP healer or 4 from the back (low damage and a stun) if you died, you still had a CHANCE for someone to save you while the combo was going on., and when you died you at least knew he had to work for it.

so im more in favor of removing or putting a LOOONG cooldown on backstab and steal and cloak and dagger than I am of nerfing retalliation. I actually want to BUFF reactive moves and nerf active ones.

I agree with the troll.
I played a defensive healing non retal guardian since launch (OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN TELL BY THE NAME)
one day I decided to learn about combos and that I can give aoe retalliation WHILE DOING AN AOE ATTACK. I could litterally go onto a point and kill 3 rogues at once within SECONDS
them doing aoe attcks and hitting many targets and me hitting them with a 2handed sword

but

then i thought about it, and it only is powerful against classes that can spam small attacks, which is ranger and thief and hundred blades warriors. the rest of the game is uneffected
my ele could care less about retal. and my necro LOLz at it then turns it into a condition.

but

the majority of the game PLAYS the 3 specs and classes that retal does the best against, and the LEAST played classes are the ones that do the best against retalliation.

so I agree and disagree. perhaps you should try another class and see if retalliation is REALLY a problem. havent heard many people complain about those retalliation necros.

wouldnt a top tier class be able to do everything?

i dont see many condition guardians burning people

I dont see complains and flames about 2handed guardians

I dont see complaints about ranged guardians

no, i only see complaints about the defensive guardians who are hard to kill without using conditions and buff removal.

so yes guardian is a GREAT class, but jus making yourself hard to kill isnt top tier.

just because he is low rank, dosent mean his opinion is not valid .
i agreed with prett much everything he said, with the exception of the one GLARING descrepancy… did a NECRO try to aoe down a guardian and say “this took too long” ???

necro is the one class that can devower a guardian in under 10 sec and you choose for the video to not only NOT use conditions or buff removal, but to use AOE attacks on him?

i have dumped over 80 hours into this game and am rank30 for pvp
i cant stand the pve leveling and am only level 9.
id like to catch up and play with my friends in dungeons and stuff especially since i sunk as much time int he REAL part of GUILD WARS as they have.
guild wars.. not kill teddy bears for iron nuggest waars.

eles are too squishy,
thieves are broken
this guy speced like a glass vase

but can we all agree that the thief elite shouldnt have killed hiM THAT fast!!

even he was shocked like… i musta missed the treb. nah bro, treb hit you outside
what killed you was the elites

I can make a video of a melee engenieer and if you have signifigantly better gear than the other 3 people you are fighting … like in WvW then you can trounce them. isnt that WHY we all ran away from games that had gear based pvp?
I can only imagine what a game like wow would have been like 5 years later, when I left 1 person with just half raid weapons who never did any pvp, could come in a battleground and mop up all 5 of me and my friends who did nothing but pvp.

I wont say elementalist is bad and needs MAD BUFFZ YO
and I wont say Thief is overpowered and needs a nurf yo.

Ill just say to think about this game like playing competitive street fighter (which I do)

playing a THief and Mezmer is like playing AKUMA
playing an Ele is like playing DAN

or if you know Tekken, playing a thief and mezmer is like playing as EDDIE

I laughed as my guardian squished every ele i came across and someone called me op and fotm. so I changed mains now i play my ele pretty much with 70% of my playtime.
largely inneffective compared to my guardian and mezmer.

as a tournement street fighter I look at it like this

Elementalist is like playing DAN on street fighter. I main dan, Ive advanced in tourneys as Dan. but its pretty common knowledge that if i had chosen RYU KEN or AKUMA i would be ranked higher.

Thieves are currently Akuma
Mezmers are Ryu.. hell mezmers are EVIL RYU (creaters just had too many tricks they threw into ONE bag and no real way to tone it down with both)
Engenieers are HAKAN largely low in power but can be annoying if you have to go to them.
shield+ 2hsword signet quickness warriors are like sagat (1 overpowered trick but outside of that, just average but use the trick to win any fight)

this is a pvp game, why are there so many topics about the pve?
my solution for pve “balance” is WHO CARES?? its pve! you play the class you want to because its what you want to play or what you want to look like. you are not competing against anyone else so why complain about the balance?
should I start complaining I dont get paid the same amount of moeny the VPs in wall street are making when I work as a casier at food lion in rural south carolina? NO!

now when its PVP, ya know… guild WARS.. not “slaying polygonal computer controled dragon” WARS, you are in direct competition with the other classes. when you are in direct competition is when you need balance.

elementalist who just stay in one stance? they MAKE you people? heres a ticket BACK to world of warcraft. go have fun with your pandas.

Im all arcane… should I stay in ARCANE stance??
summon my ARCANE elemental?
tell you the truth, arcane spells arent even on my BAR.
but i must say i really DO enjoy the 15 stacks of might I get by using my blast finishers from switching from fire to earth. and then the fury i get by switching to air and putting on ice aura. so i wind up putting my damage out in air…

who cares about 10% more damage? Ill take my 15 stacks of might over your 10% damage.

umm ima call bull on a bunch of you dudes. i highly dobut your using evasive arcana to set off TWICE blast finishers.
if you cast ring of fire or lava font it centers ON your current spot… so if you use dodge roll you will land OUTSIDE of your aoe and thus not set off the blast finisher
you have to actually walk forward and dodge BACK.
I have yet to cast the ring , set off earthquake, churning earth,blastwave, then walk forward and dodge roll back in time to set off the 4th blast finisher.
ring of fire is only 6 sec guys, and evasive arcana has a cooldown of 10.

do i have to start posting VIDEOS again to prove people wrong? cuz I did that the last game and people still troll me 5 years later.
im an old man now… go ahead and show the video of you running around with 25 stacks.

or you lazy scrubs could just use combos and give yoruselves 12 stacks of might anyway….. or is comboing too hard for the wow players?
cuz us people who came from pvp games loving it.

its ALWAYS had a 10 sec cooldowns.

so here is the plan of action, copy and past it to get it down.

switch to air for your first 3 stacks, then to fire for another, then ring of fire/fire trail/lava font, then switch to earth (hey look its 10 sec already!) get another stack, then use 2 or 3 blast finishers….
welcome to 3 weeks ago

i pretty much had to sit down for an entire day and try to play FASTER. not BETTER… not SMARTER.. just press more keys and do it faster. no laying back in my chair… no no.. sitting up in my chair clicking fast and i actually work up a sweat playing like that.
then I go back to playing my gun warrior and press 3 buttons, vulnerability, stack bleeds, use channeled, then back to stacking bleeds. and i get more kills with half the effort……..
and think about it… gun warrior isnt even called a POWERFUL or good spec. yet its STILL better for less effort than my ele.

same.. rolled a mezmer and was amazed.
sarted guard for pve, rolled ele and necro for pvp… and thought “perhaps i just am bad” then deleted my engi and rolled a mezmer and im like.. WOW REALLY???!

how would you get 1000 life per 2 sec if you can only attack once per sec?
or is something broken where you can ultra mash the button and get life each time u spam it?
if so… fix that.

other question is, how are you guys keeping auras up for so long, are you just using the standars TWO or are you using some kind of combo field to put them up, (If so how )

I will try this out tonight, but I have actually been playing BETTER this weekend. I just sat down for 12 hours on saturday and 7 hours lastnight and just tried to play FASTER and better. I hardly call the secpter dagger combo, with toughness VItal runes build I run with now effective at keeping me alive as people claim.

[Joric.5376]

Roll a thief with full dps build. Join tournaments against good(!) players. Make a full length video, where you show:
1. you survive most (if not all) fights where you choose to attack
2. you survive most (if not all) fights where you were attacked by another player or a group of enemies
3. you kill every enemy regardless of class and build in (what was it again?) 2s

You are talking about that here, aren’t you? So show us, please! If you can’t —> stop trolling, please.

50%+ of what you see in sPvP comes from the player and some moment of luck. If a thief is out of initiative, he’s 50% Moa’d already. The other 50% are a pathetic heal, 2-3 dodge rolls and auto-attack. Maybe a stealth ability on 48s CD. Think of it.

this close enough?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9lSeC7IDsU

if you look up "whats the first mmo on wikipedia.. it prolly says WOW
but for those of us who were born before broadband… we had neverwinter nights.
no
not THAT neverwinternights… the other one me and your dad used to play back when he was in college and I was in highschool.
internet back then you had to pay PER MINUTE and I remember getting grounded after running up a $200 phone bill (back then you had to use the phone line to log on to the internet) $200 back then we about half what you would pay for rent of a 1 bedroom apt. so today that would be like you running up a $800 bill in a month playing video games on the internet

turn based pvp was awesome
talking smack about how you just “scraped” and “went IDKFA” on them in char rooms afterwards was priceless.

Ynna.8769:

In sPvP I generally have around 20k, but that’s just for surviving against two “100 blades”-Warriors in 8v8.

wait… what???
how are you running with 20k hp?
are you using NO healing and running the soldiers gem?