Guild Wars 2

I dunno if we should let this die. I feel like to Stand Your Ground…

Dunno why I feel like that…

It is sad that we still haven’t heard anything. Not even a single chime in.

On paper I’m not a fan of the build =/, but it may be effective in gameplay.

Concentrating on the Valor and Honor trees with a mix of zerker/valk gear is going to give you more damage and similar survivability. I understand the reasons for the zeal and radiance traits, but that 20% damage some of the time and 10% from using the scepter isn’t going to make up the damage and utility from 0/5/30/30/5 zerk/valk.

Just my 2 cents.

I’ve had some good roaming fights yesterday. Props to those I fought.

I would run retributive armor instead of defender’s flame and get rid of any toughness gear and use valk’s. You are going to get a boost to your offense and with the amount of blinds, blocks, and aegis you should be fine with damage negation and only a small loss to damage reduction.

I use runes of speed in www. They are fine if you don’t feel like forking over the money for traveler’s.

I’m a big fan of GS #5 into JI. Grab 5 people, have party AoE burst them down.

You probably shouldn’t asked us what we think if you are just going to defend any criticism thrown at your build without really considering what we are saying.

When I have time and I get the stats on the ascended versions I plan on mathing it to figure out which slots are the best.

For WWW,

I’m finding less of a need to run any gear that has toughness as a stat lately. With all the damage negation at our fingertips its really no need.

Then we shouldn’t let it die.

I use a variation of this symbol build:

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAW5dlUgyCXGyKEf4ERWBRi9AjfsjXPcYEZIA-TwAg0CvIySllLLTWyssZN+Y9xuhJBA

Because you have to take a pause when you hit the edge of the symbol to get the next pulse of 4 seconds.

The symbol size is 180, you are traveling at 399 s/u so you need to wait around 0.55 of a second to get the second pulse.

Might be a good idea to hold off until after the holidays.

I think a lot of the angst here is like what Bash said. They haven’t improved other avenues of guardian play.

For the folks freaking out over SoS is a bit silly, espcially since that is the such a small so called nerf. If you actually do the math with 300 u/s distance of travel it comes out to be less then 7% or so difference. That 7% time added to moving to point A to point B is nothing compared to the positive trade off we received.

Old way (300*1.33*8=3192 distance traveled in 8 seconds)
New way (300*1.33*7.45=2972.55 distance traveled in 8 seconds, this takes in account the extra less then a second you have to stand in the symbol to get 8 seconds of swiftness)

6.9% Difference

eleshazar.6902:

What happens if you stand still in it for 1.5 seconds? That should give you 12 seconds of swiftness.

The only way to truly compare it is if you know distance covered w/o swiftness. Which is 300 u/s.

PvE they are great. With writ of persistence, and full zerk gear its a lot of damage and perma protection to the group.

eleshazar.6902:

Brutaly.6257:

Read what blasino wrote, just like me he has actually been in game and tested it and you dont need traits to make it more powerful compared to the old SoS. 16s swiftness from one symbol with 20% boon duration, reaapply it 3 times while retreat is running adding 12s more. 28s swiftness from one symbol with. 26+15=41s with 50% boon duration with one symbol.

You can reapply it 3 times during retreat for an additional 12 seconds of switness with 0% boon duration..

Whats changed is the way you use it and you dont have to trait it for it to be very good.

Do i personally like the change, no i dont but that dont make it a nerf.

There are several problems with your assertion here….

1) Having to bring retreat is a tie down. In order to make the symbol useful you have to use another skill to augment it (a skill which I might add is pretty sub par unless you trait pure of voice and superior aria more tie downs…)

2) 20% boon duration increase on 4 seconds of swiftness is 4/5 of a second added. And to do that you have to spend 20 trait points? Yeah that seems like a fair trade….

3) You have to trait writ of exaltation in order to get the two ticks while running through the symbol without stopping; yet another trait tie down to make this skill useful….

4) Your calculation isn’t taking into account the need for stopping in your symbol if you don’t have writ of exaltation traited. The time you spend stop is lost movement time which negates some of the swiftness you gain.

In other words do the math and think about this stuff before you blindly say it is a buff. If 95% of the guards in the game are posting complaining about it being a nerf, and you are one of the 5% that doesn’t understand how it is in fact a nerf, you might want to think about why that is….

But you haven’t really done any math here either…

I mean you could be absolutely right, but a pot calling a kettle black…

I’m moving faster then before. I don’t run boon duration.

Maybe its symbol placement? I place it right in the front of my feet, run to the other edge and stand one more second (maybe slightly longer) to get another 4 seconds before plodding ahead.

Btw, how about those spirit weapons!

I’ve been using SoS today. I don’t see it as a nerf….

Matter in fact, if you stay in the symbol for an extra second you can make up that distance with GS leap and have more swiftness applied. Moving from point A to point B is quicker. Or if you just take a camp/sentry and are waiting for the flip, just stack the swiftness.

For combat its pretty nice, you get more out of the symbol then before.

SoS change isn’t horrible. Actually its quite easy to stack up the swiftness.

I think you are looking to run a symbol build. It sounds like something that is up your alley: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Silven-s-PvP-Guardian-Build-Guide/first

I run a staff, mace/focus version with a zerk amulet and jewel. I use SY instead of purging flames.

VoJ (I use justice is blind), Focus (Blind and 3 blocks), Shelter, Renewed focus are the main forms of defense.

You use this for point assault.

Two Words Anet:

Captain America…..

I would reserve judgement after some math and testing. A cleric geared support can do some decent damage in 5 seconds just using staff.

This sounds like an awesome idea…

My vote is focus. Its an off-hand that can be used offensively and defensively which gives you flexibility.

Also using VoJ (blind trait) with SoW helps to make sure it hits instead of blocking.

Sorry to hijack thread Amins. As always love the videos.

This was great =).

And how are you able to stack both poison and bleed at the same time for 10 seconds?

Its a good build. I’m a bigger fan of shelter then SoR, not saying that SoR is a bad choice.

If you feel like being adventurous you can run the symbol build I run: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNApdWlUgqCnFyvDfIFRuAbBYPwoG741DHmQGC-jEyA4fBRySgoCgJvFNm+CaltIas6aMlLRUtQAjWAA-w

I use sigil of bloodlust stackers though you can use perception too.

I haven’t tried using it with the hammer changes yet.

I would also test things in PvP to get a feel for what you like.

I run a glassy symbol build in www and pve. It provides support with lots of AoE damage goodness.

Definitely tough to bring for solo roaming though. Much better builds for that.

Dirame.8521:

I noticed there was a minor miscalculation with my inital numbers but nonetheless here is breakdown.
With all the ascended you can get and Exotics to fill the gaps as well as food your max condition damage will be: 2320

Formulas;
Burn: (0.25 * Condition Damage) + 328
Bleed: (0.05 * Condition Damage) + 42.5 per stack per second at level 80
Poison: 84 + (0.1 * Condition Damage) per second
Binding Blade: (0.2 * Condition Damage) + 160 damage per second

Without Might/Corruption stacks
Burn = 906
Bleed = 158 (3 stacks)
Poison = 315
Binding Blade = 622
=2317 per second
10s = 23170

With max Might/Corruption Stacks: 3527
Burn = 1209
Bleed = 218 (3 stacks)
Poison = 436
BBlade = 865
= 3164 per second
10s = 31640

Direct damage covers the rest.

Can you keep all of these conditions up the entire time? If you can then that is pretty good. If you cannot then this is misleading.

For example binding blade, you couldn’t keep up the entire time. It would have a 35 second cool down between condition damage application.

Dirame.8521:

fadeaway.2807:

Don’t bother pulling it apart for dungeon use as the op requests.
I already explained how terrible it was and all I got for it was an infraction.

Fact is this is terrible for use in any serious dungeon/fractal group. I fear by promoting this build so close to the fractal patch you will cause a lot of suffering to a lot of groups because their guardians were foolish enough to try this build.

Fully expect the advice of good players to be ignored in this thread, and those players to be labeled elitist and rude.

None of this applies to pvp. I don’t know enough about that to bother commenting.

I didn’t report you so if you think I was being malicious, I ain’t that kind of guy.

With regards to the damage in PvE though, it probably won’t be as damaging as a power build but in 10 seconds I can get up to 28808 damage without might stacks and corruption stacks and 48,135 damage with might stacks and Corruption stacks based off of the 4 conditions that I can apply with a Human Guardian or Asuran Guardian alongside the direct damage as well.

Do you mind breaking down the math for that?

Also, Unless I missed something… No vigor?

Nice post. I also logged in for this to agree. I quit the game a month ago.

They are waiting until PAX Prime is over I believe.

I guess that is why the devs talked about increasing some of our meditations like smite doing greater damage per condition on you.

They stated they pushed the coindition, necro, and warrior changes for PAX. Maybe they didn’t realize how much the meta would change OR they did realize and just wanted us to weather the storm.

tanshiniza.8629:

When it comes to stomping I usually don’t bother the AoE damage I do will eat the downed player and the guy trying to resurrect him applying so much pressure they both end up dead or one of them dies while the other runs to save himself.

Sorry if anything comes across in the wrong way.

Maybe in WWW or hotjoin pvp, but not so much tpvp.

Kjeldoran.3849:

@Foofad
yes that’s right but we are still able to get permasymbol with hammer 1# spam (or something like perma)
@Blasino
1)people have attacks quicker then 1 per second only if their coefficient are lower than 1.0 (which is the one i’m considering) and if you are always in front of them waiting for their attacks
2) critical hits are less effective than you think; 1 crit with low crit damage is less than 2x damage which mean that from 300… they would deal 600 damage (100 less under hp/sec) and if their focused on crit damage (berserker builds) their damage multiplier will be really reduced simply because 300 * 2.5 (supposing a 100% crit damage build) = 750… which means that is still under our hp/sec (i was not considering dodge roll in the 716 hp/sec) and, really important, it’s a full zerker buid… so while you still get 0 damage from, you are able to kill him … fastly and easily

1) So you are saying that there are no attacks with a coefficient higher then 1 and quicker then 1 second? Because if you are, then you are incorrect. Guardians themselves have attacks that can fire off in less then a second and some of them have coefficients of 2.5, 2.25, and 1.4. Matter in fact all three of them combined is about a second.

2) I don’t understand what you are trying to say here? Here are the stats of my roaming build. Can you show me how I’m doing zero damage to you? 2170 power, 48% crit chance, 90% crit damage. I run sword/focus, greatsword. And for the sake to show I’m not a glass cannon I have 2968 armor and 16735 health.

So I guess the next question is, I wonder what happens if you have two purging flames on top of each other….

1) People have attacks that hit quicker then once per second
2) You do not take in account Critical Hits from the Enemy

Happyfool.8951:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Purging_Flames

Unless I misreading it, I’m not sure if the wiki is fully answering my question. I don’t see it saying it will remove a condition on any number of allies that passes through purging flames.

The reason I’m asking it there has to be things we can do to combat the condition meta. If I’m running in a 15 man squad and throw down a purging flames, this could clear all 15 if we pass through it.

If there are 2 guardians, and they time their purging flames we could potentially clear 2 conditions on all 15 members.

It takes coordination, but its a possibility.

@Tarsius: Thanks.

Can purging flames or consecrations affect more then just the party / 5 allies? Meaning if an additional 10 allies ran through purging flames would each of them loose a condition?

I thought this was the case, but I wanted confirmation.

Thanks!

BBH5!

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I think we are the one profession with the most correct tooltips. We are the meta when it comes to tooltips now. Thx ANET.

I’m am still working on it! Promise. I’m hoping to have the draft up this week before I leave for vacation, so you guys can constructively tear it up =).

You can mention my name aka =P. Yeah I was the lucky guildie.

I use staff #2 a lot on champs (w/o detonation) .

One of the things i realized is with the lag, sometimes the kill credit comes later and the chest spawns late.

This might be helpful. Its sticked above.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guardian-Frequently-Asked-Questions/first#post2599033

Well so far I got the first sentence done… thats progress right?!?

I have an intro and finishing up with the traits section. If anyone else is writing lets collaborate so we do not step on each others toes… or don’t collaborate so I can waste my time and you will probably put out a better guide >.<.

That guy was a noob, real pros use gw2lfg.com yo.