Guild Wars 2

First time I’ve seen this one. Using glassdoor to determine the state of the company to determine the state of the game.

I kid.

If people here think that miscommunication especially with upper management is not a problem in Anet, I beginning to wonder how many different places you have worked at…

I haven’t posted in these forums in a while due to the change of the overall community and the players that quit that I enjoyed reading from.

I haven’t played the game since a month before expansion release. When I saw how they were balancing the classes and did the borderlands stress test I cut my losses.

I had to log in to comment on the OP. This is a great thread. It deserves so much more attention and love and I really hope the developers read it and re-read it if they are serious bout GW2 PvP (which based on the trend of things they are not).

In reality this isn’t a ship they can right. This game is pretty much what it is after 3 years.

“Generally well received”
-Anet

Words can’t describe…..

If I understand the video game industry correctly, I would presume that NCSoft set the price and not Anet.

We could be potentially barking up the wrong tree here.

Some of you guys are just jumping into way too many conclusions and honestly we have yet to see the implementation of the new traits with new trait points and masteries, etc.

There is a very positive spin to look at this.

I mean look at traps with longbow this way, with celes or apoth gear we have great sustain and condi application. Dodge roll heal, boons etc. The VoR is nice because it gives us another utility to it, a gap closer or retreat.

There are some pretty cool things here and they gave us a little more mobility, more utility, condis, and a ranged weapon. Why are we so upset? Nothing is final.

I do agree the name is dumb, but personally it doesn’t bother me. I’m not saying it shouldn’t bother you.

How about you keep the tomes and just give them a 30 second cooldown and allow utilities to work.

This will save you guys a lot of work.

I noticed the base damage of burning is lower. I thought it was because it was a character lower then 80 but the other traits were in line with a level 80 character.

The language in Retributive armor is off… its say ferocity in the description, but precision in the trait.

I really like the idea behind this, great work CMF.

Wow, what happened to the Guardian forums? I don’t remember this community being like this a year back.

First of all, Hunter is a good guardian and knows how to play the class. He has contributed for a long time on these forums longer then some of you posting on this thread.

Second, he is just ranting everyone is entitled to it. And his rant has valid points in it. But instead there are posts attacking him and resorting to childish taunts against his gameplay which most of you haven’t seen.

Condi Engie’s provide blast finishing healing for the team, more CC, cripple, chill, much much more applications of damage condi’s (single target and AoE), and have a stomp mechanic.

The only thing messiah’s build provides to the team that most condi engie builds can’t is immobilize (unless they run bomb kit).

I don’t see these two builds even close to comparing.

The guardian will wield spirit weapons instead of real weapons, which also can be destroyed.

Thanks for the comments.

March of the Black Parade is one of his brother’s favorite (and mine) song. His brother told me he listened to it for an hour straight before the funeral.

When I started to make this vid that stuck in my head and that is what pushed me to go in this direction.

Hey Guys,

Originally, I planned on just doing a regular roaming Medi Burst vid; instead, I made it a little more special.

Hope you enjoy.

Actually S/D thief does a lot of damage due to its boons stealing. If you play with/against a skilled one its pretty kitten devastating.

Also, Euro’s best comps run bunker guards, with shatter boon stripping mesmers. This counters d/d ele’s pretty hard and if you throw in a skilled s/d thief its pretty deadly.

A big reason for the celestial comp’s rise in NA are two things 1) the buff to the celes ammy and 2) takes less coordination and rotating and its more forgiving to play. With a bunker guardian comp, you must rotate. If you guardian is sitting on a point by himself you aren’t doing your team justice. A bunker guardian shines with people around him. That is why you need to rotate points which takes great communication and trust.

creepmatic.9435:

I first saw the build some months ago on blasino’s thread (blassino? srry for misspelling your name) and I tried it. Surprisingly it wasn’t bad at all, quite awesome in many situations where the standard medi zerker build failed me. I was literally downing players only with my block rotations. They were burning like crazy. I said to myself, this can’t be that easy. Until I advanced further in rank and got owned so bad even by some thieves. Thing is condi builds, no matter the class require less skill than a legit power build. And I know I took a lot of players by surprise it won’t work against real good ones that know how to adapt in a fight.
Although, if a team knows how to use a hybrid guard well I think it’s way more valuable than a bunker. I dislike bunker so much with the current meta I can’t even tell you. Either you get out sustained by ele’s and CC’ed and condied to death by engies while spamming your shouts like an idiot when u shouldn’t use them to clear condis. I feel like i’m there to delay my death as much as I can, while also supporting them in the meanwhile.
At least with the hybrid build I can apply a lot off pressure on point and let the thieves or whatever finish the job. While the dmg doesn’t have the burst of a direct power build it wins in the fact that positioning is less vital (like almost all condie builds) and your condies tick even if you don’t connect.
I think that’s why this build shine’s in many of the cases. Also it rocks on Spirit Watch for orb carrier.

Edit Just to add, I dislike all condie builds. And I wish celestial was not in the game from the beginning.

You spelt it right the first time haha.

You know what the bigger weakness of my build is in team fights… don’t attack me haha!

Since all of the burning it primarily applied with the blocks, kinda hard to keep up massive amounts of burning when people don’t attack you 0.o. And yes good players will figure out how to easily beat a condi guardian.

But the build does own in spirit watch lol!

Overall, Hybrid/condi guard really only has a place in duels or just to have fun (which is the most important thing, FUN).

But when it comes to a serious team environment, condi guard is an insult. No one on this forum has shown otherwise. It’s been a lot of talking a big game with some ok vids.

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Saiyan.1704:

Dirame.8521:

yLoon.5289:

Condi build may sounds viable in 1v1, however I don’t think condi guard possessed any threat in a group fight. ( And yes, i have tried myriads ways of condi. build ) Condi build just sacrifice too many CC and support skills (SYG) in order to get the Burn, just don’t worth it imo.

Even Medi-guards don’t need to sacrifice SYG. It’s just a choice. If you want to play with SYG, you can.

And it’s hilarious that you think condi guard doesn’t pose a threat. 3 people tried to focus me in a fight the other day, the mesmer got downed by passive burning, the Warrior that tried to stomp me got downed and the Engineer who tried to rez the mesmer got downed and I got rallied off the mesmer only to stomp the other two so yea…. not effective at all.

Again I’ve yet to see anyone replicating such a feat with a zerk medi build. I’ve seen Hammer do extraordinarily amounts of aoe damage where it’s possible, but not nearly at the level and consistency that condi is. These types of 1v2’s comes every other day, if not more frequently so.

Blasino.3128:

In what pvp game mode would you consider Hybrid Medi > Zerker Medi?

tpvp?
pvp Duels?
spvp?

SPvP
Because of these reasons I’m going to say condi is a better alternative to zerks in spvp due to being a) better node defender and b) more likely to 1v2 and 1v3 successfully.

PvP Duels and Node Defend
Condi is notorious for being successful in 1v1 matchup scenarious. Unless a roamer is completely covered in condi cleanses for some reason, condi guard will always be a better node defender. There are several instances of condi taking on Celes ele’s and tearing up bunk engi’s.

I’m not sure why you took a piece of my post and answered it, when you read the entire post it was a suggestion on what kind of vid you should make…

Which there still isn’t one…

Saiyan.1704:

Mysticjedi.6053:

Shrapnel.7249:

Having used both forms of the guard, I will say the hybrid guard is far more rewarding than meta medi guard (say that 3 times fast). If you time your blinds and burns correctly it shreds through most meta builds. That said, it does have a few hard builds it’ll come across. Thieves are no longer whack-a-mole as they generally are w standard meta medi, as they can cleanse before you do a large bulk of the damage and are not as squishy ( seemingly of course ). Engi is still a pain if they are camping a siege point. Warriors still have a LOT of HP, so it’s mostly winable ( The blinds go a long way ) but it will be a long fight.

I have found a camping Engi and bunker eles the only real struggle against this build. Otherwise, all other builds are consistently beatable as long as you time your blinds and blocks correctly. Granted none of the fights will be short. The trick is knowing when to do what. However, I might be so low in pvp that people just suck.

Saiyan IF I find some decent players I will help you with videos if you want. Though my build is a little different than yours.

I appreciate that.

What do yall want to see as far as in the video? 1v1’ing d/d ele’s in tpvp/duels? Overall success holding nodes at far/home? Or just going against top meta builds in general?

I’ll tell you right now that any users with 0 condition cleanse, like most thieves and rangers, will die instantly. Even meta condi rangers (if there’s meta condi rangers?) are easy. I’m not going to trouble myself posting any videos taking these classes out… or any videos of 1v2’s… unless I’m against an ele and a thief comes in and insta dies cause that’s just hilarious.

I would make a video to justify your statement about a hybrid/condi medi guardian being better then a medi zerk. In what pvp game mode would you consider Hybrid Medi > Zerker Medi?

tpvp?
pvp Duels?
spvp?

For example if you wanted to showcase it being better in tpvp:

Usually, a medi zerks job is to surprise and blow someone up in less then 2 seconds when they have wasted a majority of their dodges/defensive skills or they are caught unaware regardless of health (if everything hits correctly should do 15-18k damage). I wouldn’t think that would be a hybrid guardians job (I don’t know I don’t use my build in tpvp), so you would have to show in the video what your job is and doing it well.

This thread is missing two things to support the claims of condi guard:

1) Great Math
2) Videos

I have a WWW condi guard build and a thread dedicated to it. It works in 1v1s very well, but really that is it. The reason it works so well is I run Defender’s Flame and Runes of the Guardian. So I apply a lot of burning when you attack me. But in small mans I don’t get targeted very often, so I’m useless. I might as well go full burst or run support, I do the later.

PvP is a little different as condi’s are a bit stronger, running a hybrid build while fighting on point is pretty nice, but bunker/support guardian is still our best build in a strong tpvp team. As a hybrid guardian what role do you fullfil? At least with a zerker medi you can burst someone down quickly when they aren’t expecting it. There are classes who can do this better, but celes engie’s, ele’s, and warrior’s are far better hybrids and sustained fighters.

To the OP, you probably should post those vids and as always, if you are winning 1v2s or 1v3s it is because they were bad players.

Haha thanks, it should have been Writ. I changed it.

So one day I was bored and decided to play around with a build idea: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNAW5dlsApaolDxbI8DNRDBlZPuPmboEXfgEEAA-TJxHwADeCAa2fAwFBoYZAA

I’m not trying to say its amazing or its the new thing, just something different. Surprisingly, It’s worked pretty well. I had some serious doubts when I started to experiment. I’m sure there are ways to improve it.

So far I’ve been roaming between home and mid, primarily defending home if it is attacked. It’s a self sustain fighter, though it does have it’s weaknesses. You will slowly loose a point to a decap engie, but not die and minionmancer’s hurt.

You have less support then your standard bunker, lack stab, but you can really hit hard especially if you get your might up and have great sustain.

I might start trying to assault far at the start of a match to see how that goes.

If you get bored give it a whirl.

Dasenthal.6520:

Unfortunately I think all the veterans in most games are currently being displaced. I mean look around…
No new dungeons, wvw updates, or PvP (we’ll see in a few weeks)
I know Sapience left turbine after a similar and much more public realization. (Sapience was the dev in charge of lotro’s community team, until he announced that only 10% of the player base actually wanted ‘raid level’ endgame.)
Listen to any vanilla WoW fan and they’ll tell you the game is getting easier via nerfs and the like. (WoD excluded because I don’t know how that’s working out)…

Unfortunately devs are starting to ignore vets more and more, but not just here.

I used to play LOTRO and you are right about what Sapience said. Heck there was a very big community who did none of the raids or big end game content. The devs shifted a lot of group only content over to single player content.

I think you are right that the traditional end game is a minority in the MMO community now a days.

I’ve been running a 1 spam elixir gun build in WWW for the past few months. It’s pretty strong in solo roaming / small man.

I run 4/2/4/4/0

Pistol/Shield, HT, Elixir Gun, Rocket Boots, Tool Kit, Crate (dire/rabid mix).

I like rocket boots for disengage and finisher.

I like the idea of this thread.

I think an issue to raise is that we are THE support class. Ele does very well, but I think we do it much better due to the amount of group stab we can produce and burst group condi clear.

Case in point, how many times do you here people say, “Hey we could use a support ranger!” or “Hey we need a support theif!” etc.

I know the NA meta for PvP has changed, but EU still uses us.

So when you have 7 other professions that don’t live up to us in support, buffing us further puts a damper on so called “class balance.”

Ironically, 2 big game nerfs hit the guardian the hardest. The so called vigor up time nerf across all classes and the retal nerf.

New Retreat + Superior Aria + Pure of Voice + Pure of Heart is pretty dang nice…

32 secs cool down, group condi removal, group aegis, group healing

Thanks!

First fight was a support build (I was in the middle of swapping traits and weapons when we got attacked lol), but the rest was healway.

Thank you so much for this. I read your website too. This is really awesome.

Surprisingly my burning build has been a hard counter for engies and hambow wars. It’s a pretty niche build but its frustrated a lot of people playing this classes.

Hell, I dueled a hambow and didn’t use my elite or any utilities and still won (barely).

Well it was fun for me.

I hope you find it enjoyable.

So I made updates to the build, thanks to Amins suggestion. Honestly Bane Signet can be anything. I’ve run wrath, JI, HotL, SY, pretty much a lot of things work here.

I’m trying to get another video up, but a lot of the fights just aren’t great. 1v1 its pretty tough for any prof to beat this build. D/F ele gave me the most trouble so far.

I’ll try and get a new vid up soon hopefully.

Recently, I made this build: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/BBB-Blasino-Burning-Build-WWW/first#post4421618

Its been pretty dang strong 1v1 against any profession and some 1v2 in WWW. I just use it for solo roaming. It’s surprised a lot of people that I run into. People don’t expect to get 20 seconds of burning stacked on them quickly and ignore clearing it, until its too late.

I’ve experienced it with just using JI

They do in multiplicative not cumulative. Meaning you aren’t getting a 20% increase.

1000 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 1210

Thanks for the heads up. I was looking at absolute resolution. This gives me 6 condi clears and extra healing during a fight. It allows me to have SYG, the greatest guardian skill ever haha and another utility which could be a multitude of things.

I was definitely on the same thinking of going 4 radiance and using signets you can see it in some of the fights in the video. I wanted to make signets useful and work especially since it was in the Radiance line which = moar burning damage!

But in the end, supreme justice was just a much better virtue to have in this build. While the core of the build produces most of the burning damage, supreme justice just adds additional pressure.

Also, the virtue acts as a safe guard. If guardians happen to run this build people will start figuring it out. Though it will be tough to beat the idea of not being blocked, having another way to keep burning is nice.

A lot of my fights were won because people didn’t understand that they died because they attacked me and went into the fight with the idea that I was the standard roaming guardian.

TLDR: while the signet idea isn’t a bad one, I think supreme justice trumped it.

I really do appreciate the input. I’m pretty serious about this build, especially since I’ve had so much success with it. Thank you!

That is a great suggestion Amins. Thanks Man. It also gives me some room on utilities depending on which trait I go.

Updated my build.

After coming back to the game from a 3 month break, I started to work on this build again. The posts before this point are from an older less effective build.

Criticisms always welcome.

I would be fine with it. Obviously it requires people to agree to the duels. There was a previous game that I won’t mention (always seems to get threads closed if you do, but it starts with a G and ends with a 1) where you could duel in the city in certain areas.

Dueling in PvE has been in the history of MMO’s even PvE centered MMO’s. Heck even ARPGs.

Its something people want. Yes PvP has it in a custom arena, with standard equipment. This doesn’t represent the type of equipment you will have in WWW since you can mix/match, min/max, or use things like dire gear.

In addition, people suggesting the majority does not want this…. where are your sources? As Anet has said the forums are a minority of the player base. Is there some kind of metric you have that we do not?

Interesting that you took justice is blind over vigor.

I would say half an engie….

Evan Lesh.3295:

Darnis.4056:

Did someone Say Lesh Prince Fanclub?
Cause I thought I heard someone say lesh prince fanclub..

This is now my desktop background. All 3 of them.

You guys ask for transparent, can’t get better then his last two comments. These were awesome haha.

Oh, if I made seem like I was against auto balance, I’m not exactly in that position. I’m just saying it doesn’t seem to work and if there is a point to something that, well doesn’t work. Heck people quit when one random team of players is beating the other random team of players. Auto balance doesn’t fix this either.

And we aren’t trying to make other players quit and we aren’t exactly organized. Like I said we don’t run our tpvp builds (I.E. I run a symbol dps guardian instead of my standard bunker) and we are goofing around. We don’t hold points and just run to where the fights are.

I think you are missing the point of my OP and are digressing. This has nothing to do with tpvp (which I play also).

1) The auto balance feature doesn’t even fix what you are stating either. How does auto balance fix the fact that one team is already up 150+ points? The game is pretty much done. This doesn’t discourage people from going in with friends on one team to play with each other. Especially since you still get the winning bonus.

2) Who stated hot joins was not designed to be with friends? If that were the case why allow us to choose a side? It should automatically force you on a team w/o a choice. And we do treat it like casual. We don’t run our tpvp builds and do not run our normal strats.

Usually when auto balance kicks in, the match is pretty much done. Which isn’t the mechanics fault, because it kicks in when people leave.

When the score hits around 150 – 30 people drop out. By the time it auto balance kicks in its around 200 – 30. The match is pretty much done.

It just doesn’t seem to work with the current setting.

Just curious. It seems when some friends and I get into a hot join and start winning, people from the other team immediately quit. One of us ends up being auto balanced. Not that it matters because by that point the match is pretty much gg by then.

Is there a purpose for this feature anymore?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Pyroclasm-The-Definitive-Guide-to-Burning/page/5#post4005636

foofad and others have confirmed its bugged here too.

Yeah the sigil of smoldering isn’t working for me after I tested it.

Give them bobble heads…

I would like to see a clarification that the EULA are the same rules that would be applied to the tournament too. And if the EULA is not part of the tournament then clear concise rules for the tourney.

@messiah 12 seconds isn’t a fight especially against someone running away the entire time.

@Ashtaeroth maybe I was a bit harsh in my last post. Sorry If I was attacking. Our experiences are pretty different. I don’t meet boon stripping folks in WWW just pvp. So I can understand your reluctance to run might. I also rarely run into folks that run negative condi duration food. But if you are yes the increase in burning duration is important. No need for a video, the comment was more of I just want to see this in action. Messiah is the only one to really put vids out on this, and nothing against him but the videos don’t show a good representation of putting on burning constantly. I’ll check out the sigil of smoldering, you are the first guardian to say it works after testing. Other guardians who I know tested it and said otherwise.