Guild Wars 2

mehyaM.3042:

This hurts my heart seeing how many of you thought Exotic mini’s were going to tank forever and how you guys didn’t understand it.

Do they teach economics correctly anymore? You also have the people who undercut to blame for the drop in price. Its like they learned economics in Russia or something. “Lets undercut and lose out on all the profit!”

For someone who is an expert economist, maybe you can figure out what happens to price on a good when it goes from a few dozen items generated per day to hundreds (thousands?) in a few hours.

Or to put it more simply – if it takes 24g to make an exotic mini, as others have pointed out, you aren’t going to maintain a much higher price for long.

Yeah, when I saw people in map and guild chat asking why mini pets were plummeting, I did this once to confirm my suspicions (and warn guildies). Zero worries about a ban over this. Those who abused heavily are the only ones who need worry, if the past is any indication.

@ThePedroKid, that depends on whether bans are issued. The goldskull exploit made people tons of cash and they got away with it, and I personally believe this still has an impact on the market due to the large chunks of starter gold some were able to walk away with. The snowflake abusers, though, were a very different story.

Well, 100k candy currently costs 160-170g. Wings on the TP cost 23-25g. Your pick!

I’m not sure if I’m one of the ones being referred to here with the concern about traders, but just in case I’d like to make myself clear. While I am a trader, I do not think ANet should cater to me, and if I gamble and lose that’s 100% okay. It’s the people who don’t have tons of cash that I’m worried about.

Take the 40g precursor I mentioned earlier. Chances are that was just some dude listing a weapon he found. Their item was worth 40g, but worth far far more after the patch (~300g IIRC) and they didn’t have a chance to react. They got screwed. If they had at least a modicum of heads up, even if vague, they might’ve held on to it to see what the patch brought.

Does your “average player” have the gold to buy up every precursor on the market after a patch? No way! That’s a power trader right there. Many thousands of gold shifted here to 1 or more power traders just because they were on at the time of the patch and had the money to do it. Same thing when an item drops – power traders who are on at the time and able to dump their supply first on unwitting buyers guard themselves against huge losses at the expense of those they are dumping on. Again, this could’ve been some poor person who saved all their copper to bid on these items, and when they log in they find they are worth 1/3 of what they paid.

I can (and should) handle if one of my investments go south, but it’s the little guys who get screwed when power traders suddenly receive perfect knowledge after a patch .

The issue with price fixing is it’d be the same as a freeze. If a good should be worth 1g but is fixed at 2g, few would buy. I agree the freezes probably aren’t the best solution.

After reflection, I think it would be good to drop hints to set expectations. Colin recently commented on alternate methods for acquisition of lodestones by the end of the summer. That’s not super specific, but enough to know I shouldn’t be investing in them and that something is coming soon. Maybe something more specific (like early July hinting stronger about it or something) would help ease the market in the right direction.

It gives people a chance to get their buy or sell order out. People have no way of knowing when they go away for the day that a patch will drop the price of an item buy half.

But the people logging in know. They know and they will take your buy order anyway as the price crashes. Those who are on at the time profit – look at precursors when new effects for legendaries went into patch notes. People had stuff listed for like 40g that was worth 6x that later that day.

There is no perfect solution, but they clearly need to do a better job here.

Wow, kudos to OP – I agree the internet just broke.

Also, don’t worry OP, you’re technically correct, just not about this patch. I’m a collector and last Wintersday saw Foostivoo. Same scenario: combine any 3, so you need to get 3 extra if you want them all. And they were very low drop from gem lockboxes. Very, very bad, literally felt sick to my stomach. I don’t like gambling.

“Real collector” here and I think you’re spot on. I’m happy to pay extra (or trade gold for gems from those who do). Only mini that has really left a bad taste in my mouth so far was Foostivoo…low RNG is evil.

Personally I feel that patches should freeze the trading of related items for a few days. Give people a chance to see the change and adjust, instead of those who are at work/elsewhere during the day getting free money for so many patches.

That’s not strange, they’re must-haves!

This is clearly a mistake. Should probably merge these threads or pick one. Just be warned folks.

Let’s see here, people produced excess ecto during Christmas and put a slight dent in the ecto market. And they were banned. Now people are popping out jack-a-lops like candy, and other rare/exotic minis? The ones that have been caged in to gems since launch? Yes, I think this will go over well…

Warning: do not touch, lol. “If it seems too good to be true, it probably is”.

Let’s see here, people produced excess ecto during Christmas and put a slight dent in the ecto market. And they were banned. Now people are popping out jack-a-lops like candy, and other rare/exotic minis? The ones that have been caged in to gems since launch? Yes, I think this will go over well…

Warning: do not touch, lol. “If it seems too good to be true, it probably is”.

It sounds like southsun is bringing shoulders. I’m just waiting until we can create one outfit of all event stuff.

“Agony Resistance + 20% magic find”

I’m not aware of an infusion that has this. Anyone ware to explain, or is this just incorrect?

I agree with most that have responded; I think it’s extremely likely we’ll see up-leveling where it matters. It would’ve been nice to get some official confirmation, but at least we only have another day to wait. I’m excited to see what the next area brings.

Dr Ritter.1327:

Brave Sir Ryan.1240:

After seeing Vulpis pop up on so many threads, I clicked out of curiosity and holy crap! It looks like hundreds of posts complaining on this subject!

I don’t care who you are, that’s impressive.

yeah i guess hes trying to give the effect that the majority of players hate dungeons by posting everywhere, meanwhile its the opposite

hoping anet listens to the right players

Well to be fair posting hundreds of walls of complaints is far easier than, say, spending 45-60 minutes playing a very enjoyable piece of content…

After seeing Vulpis pop up on so many threads, I clicked out of curiosity and holy crap! It looks like hundreds of posts complaining on this subject!

I don’t care who you are, that’s impressive.

Edit, mis-read first time. I do agree that it doesn’t make much sense to end events in the middle of the weekend. It’s the best time to play for most people and it’s difficult for them to plan something throughout the week. I’m not in that camp, but I know many are and I knew several people who were busy last weekend and came in Sunday just to be surprised the dungeon was gone.

BunnytheSwordsman.4173:

Hoelbrak, is the coolest of course. ;D

Icy what you did there. Hoelbrak is my favorite, btw!

I’m seriously shocked by the amount of people upset about 1 bag slot. I’m just happy it’s account bound.

I apologize if I missed it; will players be up-leveled for this new content? I’m getting questions already, so thought I’d pass them on to see if we could get an official answer (or a link to one).

Thanks!

Edit: Thanks for the answer, Robert!

OP, Dungeon Master (not that it means much) here and I’d be happy to run AC with you. Just hit me up in game. I’m sorry you have had a bad experience so far. Most of the game is very easy and cooperative, and people act accordingly. No one gets mad at a level 35 doing a level 35 dynamic event, after all.

Dungeons up the difficulty level a bit, and unfortunately many players are either:
1) Bad players unable to beat a dungeon with a few at-level people
2) Unwilling to spend a little extra time to do so.

The best advice I could give is to ignore people who act like this, seek out those who do not, and be willing to learn. AC is a little tougher than it used to be, but not nearly enough to merit this sort of behavior.

Lane.3410:

Brave Sir Ryan.1240:

I’ve seen a lot of Greatswords around, yes, but I also saw a ton of Greatsaws around halloween. My GS match my charr and was perfect for me, but it was clear that most were just hopping on the newest thing.

I purchased an entire set (from Moto :P) of the skins for my mesmer. I think they fit the character and the class really well. It doesn’t concern me how many others are rocking the same skins. I use what I like, not what I think is going to net me the most attention.

Oh I’m right there with you…but the “typical” person is who I keep in mind when trying to predict market trends. And I do not believe we are typical.

My thoughts on the super skins in particular is that they will clash with most people’s armor, just as the greatsaw I mentioned did, and will be replaced with eyeball weapons shortly.

Try adding the materials in a different order. I had this with rings where it would not recognize, but doing in a different order did. Buggy.

There’s a pretty obvious problem with those minis counting: 80% of the cost (or more) of Miniature Collector comes from exotic minis that you would no longer need. The cheapest 49 minis are far less expensive than those last 5. Replacing 150g+ minis with ones that cost 10g would crush those and trivialize the achievement.

That aside, ANet has incentive not to do this. It would also crush the value of all rare and exotic minis, making the mini pack a worse buy than it already is…so less incentive for people to buy them. What motivation do they have for that?

They already know people will buy time limited stuff, title or not.

I’ve seen a lot of Greatswords around, yes, but I also saw a ton of Greatsaws around halloween. My GS match my charr and was perfect for me, but it was clear that most were just hopping on the newest thing. Now I see maybe one other a month, far less than I see twilight.

Some people love the techno look that these provide, especially the asuran types, but I believe (and bet) these will be much more rare in a few months and most will move on to the next thing.

Who here actually believes this is a display bug? We already had a myriad of things updating a central MF variable, which should feed the loot rolls. So to display this amount you can either:

• Simply display it (duh).
• Create a second set of complicated intricate functions that update the display, rather than just display the variable you already have.

We are clearly being lied to; this has clearly been broken since launch.

Just completed, same issue.

I may have missed it, but I’m not seeing any reference to the Braham & Rox weapons on that page.

Thanks for popping in, Robert.

Would it be possible to get some sort of info or update soon as to the direction dungeons are moving? From what I’m aware, the team was working on revamping dungeons, AC being the first of which, and we were to expect more of the same soon. That update wasn’t super well-received due to being perceived as too difficult…and we hadn’t heard anything since.

Also to add – I know one opinion doesn’t hold much weight, but please don’t allow the farming crowd to influence what dungeons are becoming. I know the reward structure need reworked overall, but those people will be happy to move on to any farm anywhere; they don’t need dungeons. Dungeons have so much potential for the crowd who enjoy doing dungeons that they just can’t get elsewhere in this game.

Thanks again for your work on this, and any info you could please provide to the impatient types.

I was shocked by lack of CoF nerf last month. When AC got changed, it was clear there was a larger scale effort going on to rework dungeons. We’ve seen nothing since. So at this point, I’m essentially thinking there must be something very big in the works. IE: something to prevent the inevitable move from CoF to whatever is next…and instead making dungeons rewarding to play again.

I’m remaining hopeful that a rework is underway and that the team is working on things other than the whole project getting nixed, but getting an update soon would be pretty nice. At this point it’s been left for far too long with no word.

I can personally say that the method of acquisition being so low RNG gives me the same feeling as OP. I like minis, and the Wintersday pet gamble made me a little sick to my stomach. That includes when I got the ones I wanted, even, I liked the process so little that it killed the enjoyment.

This is why I’ve stopped pushing on Fractals for the moment. It’s clear they will add to it later, either levels or rewards, and I’ll wait until it’s better.

+1 to being able to trade and RNG. That should pretty much always be the norm.

Well to answer that specific question, I’d say that gating max profit by challenge rather than easy grind would do the most to add incentive for gem purchases.

I think OP is pretty spot on with initial predictions. I also think it’s easy to see people will simply move on to “the next thing”. I’m just hoping there is some challenge and variety to said thing.

I believe for #3 you forgot to mention how much ANet hates its players, how this game will obviously fail, and how they are moving on to <insert next game here>.

On-topic: I don’t have an issue with profit in game. I have an issue with it being so easy. The only reason a nerf like this would cause any sort of initial harm is because it is so overdue. If a regular dungeon is going to be so much more profitable, it should be Arah or something else long and difficult.

Everyone having the ability to easy grind cash just leads to a horse race where people are out-grinding each other.

If I had to pick something that comes up more than anything else in this sub-forum, it’s dungeon difficulty, rewards, or some combination of the two.

There’s an obvious reason for this – we all have different opinions on how difficult we like our game. And even throwing opinions out, sometimes I like to do something face-melting, other days I’m looking for a nice, relaxed run.

Simply put, there is no content difficulty level that will satisfy both of these groups. Single difficulty mode either completely alienates one side, or does a mediocre job for all.

I’m not posting this think that Robert and his team aren’t painfully aware of this issue. I’m posting it to hear if others agree, and if you want this split to be prioritized.

So, what do others think? Hard mode, more rewards? And for those who hate hard content, please bear in mind that adding hard mode allows normal mode to be bumped down a bit.

Thanks for reading.

I just get on youtube, look up “Two Steps From Hell”, and click on one of the collections. Pity the mobs after that.

UmbraVictor.9842:

We, get it. You are not getting enough gold for your bow to shoot unicorn, sword that glows, etc. It’s just animation. Does not improve game play.

The topic here is ARENA is not fixing old problems-bugs, balancing dungeons, but instead they are introducing silly new content changes and adding cheap content to pacify people with skins – Super Adventure Box.

I have more than enough gold for those things, thank you very much.

The topic of this post is “Dungeon Patch Discussion: 3/26”. Please tell me what leap of logic leads you to state that “balancing dungeons” IS part of this topic, but discussing one that is far too easy and profitable is not.

If anyone is having trouble getting their rainbow-shooting weapons, it’s the crowd that can’t do it without CoF. All I want to see is some relation between content difficulty and reward. I get that it will never be perfect, but the current situation is too far off.

ANY melee character can run circles around burrows and kill them solo, regardless of how many gravelings you are being chased by.

Question for OP: this thread wouldn’t have happened to be prompted by a level 26 run recently, would it?

(Not that there aren’t lots of bad players out there)

They’re up because people have more money. People have more money because they have easy ways to farm (CoF 1, etc). People will compete with each other to farm the most.

Agreed with others – no idea how this is still talked about. As if someone could manipulate the market and sell weapons that people couldn’t afford it. People sell precursors for 600g because they can.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Brave Sir Ryan.1240:

The only thing currently pointing to higher tier nodes in my opinion is the fact that ascended gear will be craftable. At least that’s my assumption based on it being available in the crafting window.

Of course that’s weak evidence – it’s likely materials would come in other forms than mined nodes.

Is that a fact now? I missed the upcoming update notes for that somewhere.

Agree on the second point though. I highly doubt they will introduce new tiered materials for ascended gear. They’ll throw in something like frac relics (/em shudders) or laurels.

Oh, and that “Yes” post was sarcasm to the quoted useless post.

Bolded for emphasis. Ascended is selectable at crafting stations, and that much is fact. And as I said just below, that is very weak.

Regardless, this is a very moot point. I’m sure mining picks would work for all new tiers, if one were to even exist. People are wondering about a hypothetical here. What I’d really like to know is…why soulbound.

I know ANet specified the molten pickaxe is, but I didn’t see them say anything about the dye kits on this page:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/red-hot-new-items-in-the-gem-store-now/

Thanks!

There is nothing you can do in game that is “illegal” (unless you’re somehow breaking laws), pretty sure you’re referring to “being against the Terms of Service”.

Anyway, it’d only be against the ToS if someone played on your account. You have no issues, outside of trust, giving people money to play with. Just be aware that ANet will not support you if you don’t get your money back.

The only thing currently pointing to higher tier nodes in my opinion is the fact that ascended gear will be craftable. At least that’s my assumption based on it being available in the crafting window.

Of course that’s weak evidence – it’s likely materials would come in other forms than mined nodes.

Wow, way to imply I said something I something I didn’t. You misunderstand – I was not saying prices would drop much. Most of the damage has already been done in that respect due to ANet’s negligence in this area. This will not be fixed until this scavenger hunt or whatever that they may or may not even be working on yet.

I am saying prices would not be this high currently without so much income, which is completely obvious. Moving forward, I do think prices will depress a bit over time, but the specific situation with the precursor won’t be fixed until they do something there.

On-topic – it’s extremely bad to have only one easy area in a game that is profitable compared to all others.

Burn.5401

Nerfing the only somewhat decent way of obtaining something in this game that doesn’t involve real life currency is an amazing solution. Oh wait.

You should stop and think about this for a few minutes. If you did, you would realize that the only reason CoF is “the only way” is because it’s so far more profitable than everything else.

If CoF 1 didn’t exist, you’d think other stuff paid well, and I do believe prices of things on the TP wouldn’t be quite as high as they are now. The only thing that limits the cost of precursors (since that’s a typical example) is people’s ability to farm their faces off to spend the cash.

+1.

Account-bound = instant buy for me. Soul-bound = no go.

+1, miss all of these dungeons. Maybe in a few months…they tend to add nice things on anniversaries.

Honestly, when I think of this…I think Fissure of Woe, Underworld, Deep, Urgoz, and Domain of Anguish.

All of those dungeons were great in their own right, even if GW1 invinca-builds were way too prevalent. I’d love to see some 8-12 people, difficult, long dungeons with multiple quest parts like we had in GW1.

I’m with others when I say: it would be nice to at least be acknowledged. This thread has been hear the top of this section of the forums for the month it’s been around, and nothing.

Please just throw us a bone.