Guild Wars 2

TogoChubb.3984:

At this point if there aren’t a lot more rewards for defense or upgrading structures added this WvW game will lose its focus. Without defensive and upgrade rewards zergs will always be the most effective way to control maps. The best remedy for WvW at this point is to reduce the number it takes to pop orange swords back to what it was until the defensive reward system promotes less zergging or remove white swords too. This halfway stuff will destroy the spirits of over 60% (IMO – outside of the top 3 tiers there isn’t a large enough force to stop the zergging around the clock. 9/24 = 38%) of the servers in WvW. In my opinion incentive is the only way to reduce zergging not harder to kill supply camp supers and more cover for larger groups.

Good points, I agree that since they do not reward for doing the “behind the zerg” work then zerging all the time remains viable for most people.

And, FC is on a tear. They have SM and almost as much pie as SF.

Cosmic.6047:

I think there is an open item on the SF to do list.

• Win with grace

Actually, you can put “(insert item here) with grace” on the checklist for all the T8 servers. Funny how you think it is only SF. Each server has their honorable players and each has their immature players.

I, at least, try to see it from all sides. I know it has to be extremely frustrating to be stuck in these endless matches with us. I completely get it. When I first started WvW about a month after the game released SF was very inconsistent. We would lose horribly one match and then smack the hell out of the next one, then lose horribly two or three matches. And it seemed every time I ran with a zerg we would be decimated even by smaller numbers. I know this is a bad comparison to how outnumbered you guys usually are every day, every week, going on months now.

I never just state generalizations about the other servers (unless I am responding to some kitten comment or whining comment, then the sarcasm is in full force). What it comes down to is your guys want to win and so do we. At the end of the day that is all it is. We are all just normal (well, most of us) humans sitting in front a monitor and keyboard mashing away at buttons in order to kill or capture a virtual representation on the screen.

Jeknar.6184:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

So in actuallity how long were you able to hold all that? Just curious because Jeknar’s post shows us in the +300 range.

We lost it about 1h ago…

Thanks. It is hard trying to figure out our population patterns. I know that we must have a large West Coast population (like me, I live in Arizona) because it seems that when I get home and log on we own less of the maps than we do an hour or so later.

katz.8376:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jeknar.6184:

Scores for those stuck at work:

Thanks for the update. Was ET able to take much overnight (overnight for me at least) or have things stayed pretty level overall? Think our (SF) score was +380 when I had to log off.

Now if I could only get my work to allow me to play at work. I have GW2 installed on my work laptop (nice Sony Viao, actually plays GW2 better than my home machine but my boss and others actually frown on me playing it at work. The nerve! :P

IKR? shame on them for being upset about that. lol

anyways…the ET Golarmy marched strong again this morning.

we be in yo BL, stealin yo resources (to build more golems!)

So in actuallity how long were you able to hold all that? Just curious because Jeknar’s post shows us in the +300 range.

Jeknar.6184:

Scores for those stuck at work:

Thanks for the update. Was ET able to take much overnight (overnight for me at least) or have things stayed pretty level overall? Think our (SF) score was +380 when I had to log off.

Now if I could only get my work to allow me to play at work. I have GW2 installed on my work laptop (nice Sony Viao, actually plays GW2 better than my home machine but my boss and others actually frown on me playing it at work. The nerve! :P

wyther.8372:

It takes less than a second to hit M, look at your map, and see white or orange swords. It is easy to do it even while leading. If you can’t do that you pretty much suck as a commander; if you can’t do it as someone in a zerg who has very little to actually think about and do outside of immediate combat you are pretty bad.

The orange swords at 25 lets you know about what size of force you are facing or going to run into now. It provides a much better scale of what a commander should do to try and combat a tower/keep siege.

My vote is for keeping it exactly as it is now, wtf do you all opposed care, apparently you don’t watch the map anyway.

I completely agree with this. Why do folks always want things to be so easy? Looking at the map to check status of areas is vital for proper coverage and communication on the map.

Next people will want Asurans to develop unmanned aerial drones to check out their areas for them. “Hey, Faithleap has white swords on it. Instead of actually having to DO something like run there and check it out, lets have the game do our surveillance for us.”

Come to SF, help us get out of this Tier and be prepared when we move up! Get to know all the camps/towers/keeps/castle intimately and you can still find small group fights, I do it all the time. I think my secret goal is to keep the repair vendor in business. LOL, :P

wyther.8372:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

wyther.8372:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

FilthyRat.4652:

Man so depressing to wake up and see ET in second place again just hope FC comes out in force tonight and changes that.

Do you need a hug, bro?

Do not worry, remember with 5 or 6 players ET and FC can face down any number of SF players. It apparently happens all the time. Still trying to be on one of these SF zergs that gets faced down by 10% of their numbers. Maybe I am just so good that all the zergs I happen to run with never lose an outmanned fight?

It was actually a SF guy who said this in another thread, not sure how it became ET now so -1 for idiot trolling. The dude on your server was saying how he and just 4 others ran over 30 ET and does it all the time.

Anyway, real leaders and people are out on the battlefield doing it through actions proving it day in and day out, we don’t have time to fake brag or troll on forums.

Yet here you are.

And there was no bragging or trolling in my post. In fact, nothing I said could even be construed as either. How about a sig, eh?

LOL, if you do not get the inference I don’t think I need to take the time to explain it. And what do you think I need a sig for? My account name is right there.

Good fighting the last few days, I have quite enjoyed it! Had me running all over EB last night. I much prefer that than spending my time keeping upgrades going and building siege on an empty map.

Keep it up, to all sides. We only make each other better, the better we play! I know that some might think I am a troll, but I only troll the other trolls. Much respect to the real warriors on the field of battle, you guys keep me poor in the game!

TheRatofFilth.3528:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

wyther.8372:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

FilthyRat.4652:

Man so depressing to wake up and see ET in second place again just hope FC comes out in force tonight and changes that.

Do you need a hug, bro?

Do not worry, remember with 5 or 6 players ET and FC can face down any number of SF players. It apparently happens all the time. Still trying to be on one of these SF zergs that gets faced down by 10% of their numbers. Maybe I am just so good that all the zergs I happen to run with never lose an outmanned fight?

It was actually a SF guy who said this in another thread, not sure how it became ET now so -1 for idiot trolling. The dude on your server was saying how he and just 4 others ran over 30 ET and does it all the time.

Anyway, real leaders and people are out on the battlefield doing it through actions proving it day in and day out, we don’t have time to fake brag or troll on forums.

Yet here you are.

Wow a personal attack from a fellow person from ET and nothing done….just goes to show you the violence inherent in the system!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fxGqcCeV3qk

Help! Help! I’m being repressed!

wyther.8372:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

FilthyRat.4652:

Man so depressing to wake up and see ET in second place again just hope FC comes out in force tonight and changes that.

Do you need a hug, bro?

Do not worry, remember with 5 or 6 players ET and FC can face down any number of SF players. It apparently happens all the time. Still trying to be on one of these SF zergs that gets faced down by 10% of their numbers. Maybe I am just so good that all the zergs I happen to run with never lose an outmanned fight?

It was actually a SF guy who said this in another thread, not sure how it became ET now so -1 for idiot trolling. The dude on your server was saying how he and just 4 others ran over 30 ET and does it all the time.

Anyway, real leaders and people are out on the battlefield doing it through actions proving it day in and day out, we don’t have time to fake brag or troll on forums.

Yet here you are.

FilthyRat.4652:

Man so depressing to wake up and see ET in second place again just hope FC comes out in force tonight and changes that.

Do you need a hug, bro?

Do not worry, remember with 5 or 6 players ET and FC can face down any number of SF players. It apparently happens all the time. Still trying to be on one of these SF zergs that gets faced down by 10% of their numbers. Maybe I am just so good that all the zergs I happen to run with never lose an outmanned fight?

Manoa.5897:

Cantur, quit sharing our sekrits!

LOL, if that is a sekrit then I will stop talking about these kinds of things. Like that all the keeps have water gates. Oh nooeeezz, I did it again!

Not sure this is obvious to all the folks complaining about fighting in the JP but, ummmmm, it is a PvP zone. It might have been mentioned in previous posts but in PvP you kill the enemy. There are no rules for this, you do not have to comply to someone elses thoughts on “maturity”, you do not have to stay away from ambush sites because that is “unfair”. It is PvP, there is no fair. There is (virtual) life or death. That is it.

Sigdur.4025:

Cheers to another fun week of Sorrow’s Furnace dominating our servers by sheer numbers alone. Thank you for this amazing opportunity for the eighth week in a row, ArenaNet!

katz.8376:

look at the bright side… its another week to laugh at them while watching them PvDoor with no siege trying to retake their own keep

LOL, still crying the numbers thing? Must be pretty sad over there if that is all you can keep coming up with. And the lame “our 6 defenders held off an entire 30+ SF zerg all by ourselves” or maybe the “I took on 7 SF invaders on my own and won” amazing stories. I am sure that MAYBE that happens once in a while but if all the stories we hear from you guys were true there is no way we would be winning.

And another LOL moment when you realize that the PvGate you are talking about is just a distraction while we take everything else. But keep up your delusions of granduer. We will be working on the all green maps like we always are.

Seriously, you guys cry and complain about how SF folks supposedly act and yet you guys are just as bad if not worse. Sure, you guys will flame me for pointing out the obvious, but remember who always starts talking crap on these threads

Nuzt.7894:

Well I can’t see into the future but, for those wondering NSP won’t fall below T7. In fact I would be surprised if they don’t dominate T7. Also … bad form SF highjacking the recruitment from the 2 servers that need transfers.

Yet, SF needs transfers too if we want to move up. Not only to T7 but above that too. I respect ET and FC, have had some great fights (though when I read the posts about how your small groups defeat a 30+ zerg I have to laugh).

But what it comes down to is that this is war. To complain that the winning team is trying to recruit is asinine.

Shademehr.1397:

Awesome job defending the garrison last night ET. Before I finally had to log for sleep, I believe we had defended 4 different wall breaches and some other minor attacks on the water gate, etc. At one point it looked like the whole western wall had been knocked down. Me and ’ole Bessie (a cannon) got about 30 loot bags in a pretty small amount of time. Sadly, they only contained about 6 badges.

A pretty sizeable SF force managed to get in at one point and we managed to repair the walls which blocked them in as we methodically pushed them back into a corner (literally) and wiped them one by one. All in all, pretty epic. SF, I know you had no place to retreat to but you sure did put up a nice fight against impossible odds. Fought to the last man.

Edit: and how I soooooooo wished a large group would have attacked Cliffside. It was very well prepared/upgraded to defend against a huge siege. It would have been a pretty nice “last stand” for us if it had come to it.

I have to agree, all those ballista kept the unorganized folks in the zerg from charging in. I ran in and got to that catapult on the wall a few times while everyone else sat outside the wall breach and basically did nothing. When our commander finally got everyone to rush in together is when the real fun began.

I was one of those in that last stand in that cubby trying to get a cata built (supply runs to Astral are horrible with no wall/gate down). Took a few down with me, it was a great fight! Can’t wait to get off work again today and get back to having some WvW fun.

Our (SF) WvW noobs are all being trained to zerg. I only see the same core groups that do the real work behind the zerg or around the zerg. Only those core groups of players actually upgrade places, repair walls/gates, cap camps/allies. Sure the zerg caps camps/allies but usually only when a capable commander is in charge (and even then I have seen commander change direction suddenly, call out the change of objective and half the zerg keeps running the old direction. It is a group mentality that needs to be managed well to keep it from running wild with no direction besides “Unggghh, red/blue, kill/capture, kill more.” The zerg has its place for mass assaults but it does not win the match. It helps but the real work is in the trenches. (and really, those core groups of players spend some serious coinage to upgrade places. Especially if we want waypoints in he keeps.)

To my ET friend who almost had me repairing more armor, sorry my 2 SF friends happened along. It was a decent fight even though I got the worst of it while we 1v1. Cheers!

Oh, one more quickie before I have to go back to, ughhh, work. Not sure about anyone else but the past few weeks I have only had the queue is full message twice, both times for EB. If we are not hitting our queue number how can we be outnumbering you on every map, all the time?

I understand that our zerg outnumbers your zerg some/most of the time. But zerg on zerg action does not happen all over the map all the time. And if we are not hitting queue for the map, it can not be that bad. Perhaps out zerg is better organized and moved from objective to objective faster because they are doing the right things. I do know that we communicate fairly well, especially lately.

Jayne.9251:

Dear Tier 8,

Congratulations on snagging Commander Charlie Sheen. Brilliant move. We should have thought of it. You wouldn’t trade a used Gary Busey for him would you? He only wanders off occasionally and typically can be found sitting naked with the centaurs.

Love,

TC

LOL, doesn’t he have a cracked skull? I wouldn’t take Gary Busey even if he came with Mr. “I…..Am…….An…….F….B…..I……Agent”.

Ungood.3054:

Manoa.5897:

Ungood.3054:

Which means, as we all suspected, that SF did get an influx of players, and this also shows that we took a hit to our population at the same time.

While we were denying a population boom back in early January (which was the case back then), nobody is denying that we got an influx of players anymore. We’re most certainly seeing far more folks in WvW now. We got some transfers just before server transfers ended. And we’re seeing more fair weather players coming back. And more PvEers dabbling in WvW. Which of these reasons is the primary reason for our population boom (if any one is actually the main cause), however, has been the source of much debate.

Not really much debate, because the first week January, during your introduction to T8, FC beat you , and in week 2 you took 1st by what could called a close margin.

Come Week 3, and SF started to pull ahead and then week 4 (End of Free Transfers) SF exploded, simply crushing T8.

So, We can very safely conclude at this point, it was a influx of players that is the reason you are winning. If they came from Transfers or Sunshine-Soldiers that went into hiding when you were losing, and then came crawling out of wood work when they discovered they got to be a bully.

Your call on how you want that to be taken. Can’t say I care, but if it is the latter and not the former, they are just going to turn tail when the fighting gets rough again.

But only you know the source of your numbers, I being in ET simply see the result of them.

And.. Happy Valentines Day everyone!

I agree with some of what you are saying but we cannot “very safely conclude at this point, it was a influx of players that is the reason you are winning.” That is wishful thinking. What we CAN conclude from that is that a WvW population influx is the reason we are stomping you. You can not use any of the reasons you posted to support that that is why we are winning. We won before the influx, we have been crushing since the influx.

Nobody can say why another team wins or loses besides taking and holding more structures/camps which equals more points. A zerg could run around all day killing people and taking objectives but at the end of the day if those are not held for longer than it takes the place to be re-taken then the zergs server would not win. And while the zerg may help stop a place from being re-taken once in a while, there are places on the other side of the map from the zerg that can be taken.

We have a good amount of players that do not run with the zerg. We upgrade/repair/build siege, losing out on most of the badge gathering the zerg tends to do in order to do the little things that really matter in winning these matches. And there have been PLENTY of times I have been in 10 man crews taking structures when the zerg is busy banging its head against DB or garrison or wherever.

Darek.1836:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Rattlehead.1476:

it’s always great fun running the “nights”, and it’s definitely good when we can push back the “sea of green” even if it’s only temporary. I dont experience to much “bad behaviour”from SF, short of venturing onto the forums where it seems to be bad behaviour from all sides. Sure we get out numbered a lot but that’s to be expected, and at times it helps give a sense of “achievement” if we succeed in pushing back, holding off or even beating back something we never expected to win against. SM was fun to capture and great fun to hold while we still did, and as usual it’s always a good fight against the ever present CoSA.

Just to clarify, I am laughing about the people post bragging about it after crying about night-capping. I am impressed that you guys took it, SM is a HARD nut to crack. Especially with all the siege we had in there.

I have nothing but respect for our ET and FC opponents that fight it out no matter what. And the ones that take advantage of our zerging to capture less-contested points. And for banging on the walls of the keeps to prevent us from re-spawning closer to where the fight is taking place. (Except the hacker kid who was keeping the SF keep, he was doing things to get away that no normal toon does)

Thanks I love contesting points, and I also love when you guys sned your 5 person groups just to gank me, that’s 5 less people out of the zerg. Btw, can you descripe “the hacker kid”; it might be me just using skills and you didn’t know.

Not sure, I never really saw the kid. I popped in from our BL and ran to the keep because someone was talking about it. All I saw was the red label doing some crazy long jumps from the water to get away from people. He was attacking the watergate apparently.

Rattlehead.1476:

it’s always great fun running the “nights”, and it’s definitely good when we can push back the “sea of green” even if it’s only temporary. I dont experience to much “bad behaviour”from SF, short of venturing onto the forums where it seems to be bad behaviour from all sides. Sure we get out numbered a lot but that’s to be expected, and at times it helps give a sense of “achievement” if we succeed in pushing back, holding off or even beating back something we never expected to win against. SM was fun to capture and great fun to hold while we still did, and as usual it’s always a good fight against the ever present CoSA.

Just to clarify, I am laughing about the people post bragging about it after crying about night-capping. I am impressed that you guys took it, SM is a HARD nut to crack. Especially with all the siege we had in there.

I have nothing but respect for our ET and FC opponents that fight it out no matter what. And the ones that take advantage of our zerging to capture less-contested points. And for banging on the walls of the keeps to prevent us from re-spawning closer to where the fight is taking place. (Except the hacker kid who was keeping the SF keep, he was doing things to get away that no normal toon does)

LOL, love how ET and FC posters want to lump us all as bad mannered or trash talkers like Filthy. Grow up all of you. Your servers have as many kittens as our server.

And OMG, you guys night-capped SM from us and are here bragging about it? I believe you are the same folks who were complaining about SF night-capping being soooo unfair. Again, grow up all of you. If SF can do it, guess what? So can you. We just actually do it instead of whining about someone else doing it.

SF player here, not in any large guild though I am in WvW every day for the majority of the time I play.

I admit it, I jump on dead enemy bodies all the time. I even sit on them. But no dancing on them for me. I only mess with the ones who do not WP when they die inside a structure. That means (to me at least) that you expect to be ressed or are spying on numbers or what repairs that we do. So I do all I can to annoy you until you go away.

All servers have their good and “bad” players, you just tend to focus on the negative aspects, especially when you are losing. I have been danced on, laughed at, etc. It doesn’t affect me unless I allow it.

As for SF only being the zerg, while there is a zerg that runs around, it is not like you guys do not have that zerg yourself. I actually try to avoid running with the zerg unless there is a stated objective such as a keep or tower. Until then I am upgrading our structures, repairing walls/gates, setting up siege equipment, checking on location of enemy players, solo capping camps, etc. I hardly ever die, not because I am some kitten fighter, I just pick and choose carefully. Unless the culling effect gets me, those always suck.

So here is to a good week of fighting, both ET and FC really seemed to have stepped up their game. DB was some crazy stuff at reset. I came upon one of the inner lord room fights after I got off work and you are in denial if you think SF had anywhere close to the same number of players in that fight. But we still held.

Cheers!

I (and probably more than just me) will be getting the Leap Motion through pre-order when it is released (supposedly March from what I am hearing).

What is Anet’s stance on using this to play the game? I am not even sure yet how it can be used besides to turn my 40" TV into a virtual touchscreen to play.

Will this be considered a third-party app that is influencing the game and therefore illegal? Has Anet tested the Leap Motion yet themselves?

Was anything on the machine updates just prior to the issues taking place? Can you use System Restore to go back a day or more before the issues started occuring?

If you can use System Restore, go back a few days and test GW2. If it still isn’t working, then I would say hardware is probably the culprit.

If GW2 does work after the System Restore, then start doing the updates as needed (other than GW2, I don’t think you can stop it from updating) but be sure to test GW2 after each system change so you can pinpoint what update is causing the issue.

I just upgraded with a new mobo, processor, and memory. i5-3500, MSI Z77 mobo, 8GB DDR3 RAM, 64-bit Windows 7 Ultimate. Same video card from the old machine, Radeon HD 6670. Run the game on all max settings except shadows (sky and terrain) and sampling is native.

The game was even playable on my old machine, PentiumD, 6GB DDR2 RAM, generic Intel mobo, 32-bit Windows 7 Home Premium.

None of this was overclocked.