Guild Wars 2

selan.8354:

nightfend.4072:

The solution is the consolidate the servers and remove Tier 8 completely.

not a good solutions in my opinion as some people like their server..i’d be extreemly mad if anet would take our tier out and merge them…imagine TC/FA and DB merge XD

I agree, this would most likely just create the same problem in T7.

katz.8376:

here! update!

i’ll be back later! >grumbles rude things about forgetting that she also had to go do laundry today<

Thanks, and good luck with the laundry! I would help fold but I have a feeling you live very, very far from me. :P

Are we bitter about something?

Manoa.5897:

katz.8376:

also… i’m not a man. :-P

I would have thought your liberal use of emoticons would have given that away.

LOL, you are correct. Guess I tend to ignore those when I am speed reading the forums. :P

Manoa.5897:

Sacred flame ram demands a human sacrifice! Who shall it be? So many fine options… :p

Why is it ALWAYS human sacrifices?? Charr and Norn have more blood so you would think it would be more powerful to use them…

Just sayin. If we always sacrifice humans we will run out of them sooner or later…

katz.8376:

haha sneaky buggar!

2 more days of mornings for me. then back with the morning crowd and maybe finally hit 80 on my guard in WvW

Uggghhh. Finally got my guardian to 60. I am waiting to spend anything but Karma to equip him so his stats suck really. I spent too much gold getting stuff for my Warrior that was replaced not long after I got it. Plus I love melee too much so having to learn a new play style. (I never play finger wagglers or leaf eater, too squishy for me)

And when you get back to morning, please leave my upgraded structures alone!

King Amadaeus.8619:

We have been sieging FC and ET bases in EB with flame rams for weeks….We will break down your invisible death walls….its only a matter of time

The ever versatile Flame Ram. Has anyone noticed we never lose SM if someone build a Flame Ram on the third floor on the north part?

Also, Flame Rams are VITAL for supply camp defense. Throw one down, you will see.

Oh, sorry! My lady Katz is seriously lacking.

My boss is off tomorrow so I might sneak in some playing time…

Jeknar.6184:

Score update while i’m discussing a new strategy with a specialist.

Thanks for the score update. My man Katz is slacking lately…

Right, I forgot. It is also a SF specific recruitment thread. All these ET and FC posting on here much have some secret desire to transfer to SF. Crazy talk, I know. But it is kind early on in the day. searches around for his coffee

LOL, now you are just being silly.

Maybe the eighth time will work for you. This is not about population imbalance. Is there a population balance problem, yes. But that is not what this thread was created to discuss. You want to talk about that, create a thread or go to the existing one.

I will dismiss what you are saying because it is not relevant to this thread. I never said it was not a factor, it is just not pertinent to this discussion on this thread.

I find it funny you keep dismissing the auto-movement idea just as you accuse me of dismissing your population imbalance argument. Again, such a double standard.

So to recap, I never said your ideas were not valid, they are just invalid to this thread.

And love the not-so-subtle way you keep trying to insult me by calling me “obtuse” or “stupidly dismissive”. Does your arm hurt from patting yourself on the back that much?

I believe it is a bit harder, it takes me longer to solo it and I may have to disengage once or twice.

Shademehr.1397:

Wanderer.3248:

Yes, our massive Zerg of 20 people (if we’re lucky) is practically an unstoppable war machine.

Granted, this is only a one-time observation but this is even optimistic from what I saw this morning.

I set my alarm clock early hoping to see this mythical “EB completely capped by ET” craziness. (I just need a few more things for map completion…). We had absolutely no part of EB. Zero. Zilch. A small group of us let by a single commander managed to grab back must of our 1/3 before moving on to greener pastures (and me moving on to work).

I don’t know what it looks like now, but FOR CHRISSAKES JUST A FEW MORE POI AND VISTA ARE ALL I NEED!!!!

Well, this might not go over well, but you could always transfer…

Just sayin.

katz.8376:

what? i posted an update 4 hours ago :-P

Ya, 4 hours ago would be 5:40am my time. I be a sleeping foo!

Where are my morning score updates?? Geeez, some people get lazy in the morning…

:P

Gab Superstar.4059:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I don’t see the need for this.

Really, it isn’t going to fix anything and probably create more problems.

You are not factoring in population which, even if you don’t think it is a factor, it really is. No one in T3 will want to compete with JQ or BG and anyone placed in T1 without a population to compete will just get steam rolled.

Whoever is the steam roller won’t care where they get their bags and whoever is the pavement will probably not want to play unitl they get to a more population balanced match.

T1 for example. You would have Kenaing replace SoR. While BG and JQ won’t notice much difference in who they steam roll, Kenaing will.

Another thing to consider is that when a third server stacks for T1, you would have that server swap with another. When that happens, a balanced match would be lopsided and the server that replaces the one that gets bumped will get crushed and the server that got bumped would obliterate where it got placed.

Coverage is a factor.

Bad idea.

You are forgetting tiers which will never be balanced, such as T5.

And he is forgetting that population balancing is not what is being discussed here. And the other points he tries to make he does not support, he just states. So no discussion taking place, just saying this is how it is. Lame.

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

We have a lot of prominent WvW guilds, some with hundreds of members (cosa has 700+).

If they want to spam their emblems on a place instead of letting another guild, they should be paying for the upgrades. It’s logic. They are WvW-only guilds, they have funds specifically for WvW, which means upgrades and BPs.

There is no arguing this, it just makes sense. Claiming means they’re claiming the structure as theirs and their responsibility. It’s why the feature is there. I’m going to assume they fought for it, they upgraded it, they defended it. Claiming just to have your emblem on it (and no, I can’t recall getting buffs from any structure other than SM a couple of times) and then abandoning it is the mark of a kittenty guild.

Well, you can argue this but it just depends on your personality. I am a support type player (except ikittenerg, then I am frontline) so I enjoy upgrading places no matter who claims it because it helps the server as a whole (I do tend to skip the more expensive ones except on our BL).

So you are not a support type player, no problem with that. But don’t claim something can not be argued. That is an opinion, not fact. It may make sense to you because that is your opinion, how you see it. But then again, eating human flesh was Jeffrey Dahmer’s choice, it just make sense to him.

Straegen.2938:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Ok, so the problem here is you are not actually reading what I put down or you do not care. If you really think population imbalance is the problem, take your arguments over to that thread (yes, there is one). We are not discussing that here.

If there already is movement, great. Nothing about any of this will affect those Tiers then, will it? So your arguments against this mean nothing as that is not what I am trying to address. You are arguing for the sake of arguing and it is not productive for anymore.

I am addressing stale matches due to a server winning or losing 3-4 consecutive weeks and they are not moving due to the Glick system not working. This system could work along with the Glick without major code/engine re-write.

Solving variety doesn’t necessarily solve any significant problem other than T8/SF and likely creates more. The side effect of forced variety would likely make a lot more players miserable by pushing their servers into tiers they don’t belong or want to be in.

No matter how many times we try to point it out nicely you don’t seem to be… what did you say… “not actually reading what I put down or you do not care.”

Well, if what you typed was actually discussing the point of the OP I might actually consider thinking about it. Since you are not discussing the reason for this thread, there is no reason to care for what you are saying. The title of this is “Fixing Stale Match-ups” which, ya, variety does help fix.

And again, it is “forced” variety only if a server wins/loses 3-4 weeks in a row. It is not like this would make a server jump around all the time. Once a month, MAYBE. If you lose 1, win 1, lose 1, win 2, then nothing is “forced” on you.

Manoa.5897:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

I might agree with some of this and I do not really know how claiming works besides that the guild can put buffs on it. The guild gets nothing in return for claiming and holding that structure?

When a guild claims a structure or camp, it means that whatever Art of War buffs they purchased with guild influence can go into effect for that keep (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Art_of_war#Art_of_War). The guild gets the benefit of those buffs, but so do server allies.

A guild who claims a keep does have some incentive to upgrade/defending a claimed structure so that their influence investment is not wasted. But beyond that, they have no more incentive than any other WvW player. So everyone on the server really should pitch in to help upgrade the structure by purchasing upgrades from the Quartermaster and placing/building defensive siege if and when they can. ‘Cause those upgrades and siege plans can get pretty darn expensive (gold sink FTW!). And it’s not really fair to expect one person or one guild to bear the entire burden.

Ya, I upgrade anything I can if it makes sense. Especially on our BL, I upgrade anything and everything I can touch. Including laying/building siege at key points.

insanemaniac.2456:

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Ugh. All that ET nightcapping.

I know the one who spent a ton of gold running around upgrading the entire SF BL by herself when none of the structures were even claimed by her guild (good job to all the lazy kitten idiots with guild funds who never did).

By 4AM or so she had to go, and I left shortly after. Felt really bad, because that left two others on the map, and I just knew ET would cancel out every upgrade she spent hours-worth of money on uncontested.

If SF had any kind of night crew we’d actually have a reason to upgrade anything. But no, the best we can ever manage is 6-7 in EB to defend SM overnight while we our entire ghost town of a BL turns blue.

astralier y r u no help uz

please
lose the mindset that a claiming guild should be the ones upgrading that structure. its very bad for your server. whenever i see a person complaining about this in map chat, i roll my eyes and pray the troll gets ignored before everyone gets mad for no reason.

claiming means nothing for upgrading. it only has purpose for buffs. complain when a claim is preventing another guild with active buffs from helping the defenders.

I might agree with some of this and I do not really know how claiming works besides that the guild can put buffs on it. The guild gets nothing in return for claiming and holding that structure?

Scumbag Mawile.6384:

Ugh. All that ET nightcapping.

I know the one who spent a ton of gold running around upgrading the entire SF BL by herself when none of the structures were even claimed by her guild (good job to all the lazy kitten idiots with guild funds who never did).

By 4AM or so she had to go, and I left shortly after. Felt really bad, because that left two others on the map, and I just knew ET would cancel out every upgrade she spent hours-worth of money on uncontested.

If SF had any kind of night crew we’d actually have a reason to upgrade anything. But no, the best we can ever manage is 6-7 in EB to defend SM overnight while we our entire ghost town of a BL turns blue.

astralier y r u no help uz

LOL, I know the feeling. I stop upgrading about an hour or so before I have to log off because I know they will be gone. Especially the higher end upgrades. Lost a good deal of gold before I realized what a waste it was. And no, my current guild is tiny and nobody else does WvW so no help there.

Straegen.2938:

Cactus.2710:

… and imbalance is not going to ever get fixed without a complete overhaul of WVW to go away from server versus server matchups.

I disagree. My suggestion above works inside the existing framework with relatively minimal changes. It would change the duration of matches (which they can do and have done previously) and changes how a server lands in a tier (population count during that time rather than weekly score). It also completely resolves most “staleness” complaints.

Again, this thread is about discussing the OP proposal. Please start your own thread to discuss your ideas. Not saying they are invalid, they just don’t belong on this thread.

Straegen.2938:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

If the Tier is balanced then one server will not be winning or losing 3-4 weeks in a row. So this would not affect your balanced Tiers unless the the Tier above or below has a server that is dominating/being dominated. And if that Tier is really that balanced the server that moves in will move out very quickly and the server that moved out would be right back in a week or so. Seeing a new opponent for a week or two is not that bad of a thing.

And this will prevent blowouts (such as T8) from happening EVERY week. Blowouts are most certainly NOT the only alternative to stale match-ups. They are one, sure, but not the only one.

The only tier that has no movement is T8. The current system already shuffles servers each week:

1 week ago: T1, T2, T3, T4, T6, T7
2 weeks ago: T3, T4
3 weeks ago: T4, T5
4 weeks ago: T3, T4, T5

Next week (speculation): T3, T4, T5, T6

We already have movement in tiers with T1 and T8 being the more stagnant tiers. Really only SF and JQ is suffering the staleness brunt of glicko2. The problem isn’t tiers it is population imbalance in different time zones.

Ok, so the problem here is you are not actually reading what I put down or you do not care. If you really think population imbalance is the problem, take your arguments over to that thread (yes, there is one). We are not discussing that here.

If there already is movement, great. Nothing about any of this will affect those Tiers then, will it? So your arguments against this mean nothing as that is not what I am trying to address. You are arguing for the sake of arguing and it is not productive for anymore.

I am addressing stale matches due to a server winning or losing 3-4 consecutive weeks and they are not moving due to the Glick system not working. This system could work along with the Glick without major code/engine re-write.

Katz said on another thread he has to work in the morning for a few days. Maybe he is most of their nightcap crew…

fivekiller.1432:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

It would have to be something in that kind of time range. If the time frame was shorter then the fix would have to come at the Glick level, which it seems Anet doesn’t want to do.

The problem of fair-weather players leaving WvW when things get tough has nothing to do with this. Shame on them for abandoning their fellow players but you can not tell someone else how to play their game.

First. There is nothing wrong with suggesting things Anet may not necessarily be keen on if it is a good suggestion. Anet may be working under a bad paradigm and that could always change.

Second. The problem of fair-weather players has everything to do with stale matchups. As I pointed out earlier players abandoning the game is a problem with stale matchups. It is both unreasonable and unrealistic to just ask we simply “shame” players who stop playing a game they do not find fun.

That would be the epitomy of bad game design.

You are discussing a systems problem. If you focus narrowly on just a few aspects of a system and seek to change the system you will invariably screw the system up.

and as far as the alternative to what we have now being blowouts. it isn’t an alternative if it is the present situation. it would just be more of the same.

I am not discussing an entire systems problem. Again, I am not proposing this as a fix-all for the current system. This is to try and make things more dynamic for the match-ups where a server is dominating/being-dominated 3-4 weeks in a row.

Fair-weather players affect WvW, of course. But there is no way you can make someone play something that isn’t fun for them. Plus, if a server is losing WvW players because their server is being dominated, then moving their server to a lower Tier will help get them back, at least for a short time.

To discuss a change to WvW system to resolve all the perceived problems is not something I would ever want to do unless I am being paid for it. Because it would take a very long time and too much thinking.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Matches are stale because we’re finally getting the tiers balanced as close to perfect as we’ll get.

I don’t understand why ppl complain about matches being “stale” when the only alternative is blowouts.

If the Tier is balanced then one server will not be winning or losing 3-4 weeks in a row. So this would not affect your balanced Tiers unless the the Tier above or below has a server that is dominating/being dominated. And if that Tier is really that balanced the server that moves in will move out very quickly and the server that moved out would be right back in a week or so. Seeing a new opponent for a week or two is not that bad of a thing.

And this will prevent blowouts (such as T8) from happening EVERY week. Blowouts are most certainly NOT the only alternative to stale match-ups. They are one, sure, but not the only one.

Cactus.2710:

LOL. Lots of people here who apparently are incapable of reading comprehension. Both the title of the thread and the text of the OP talks about trying to mitigate STALENESS … not imbalance. They are two entirely different things, and imbalance is not going to ever get fixed without a complete overhaul of WVW to go away from server versus server matchups.

Thanks Cactus. That is exactly what I am trying to do, mitigate staleness as much as possible. I know it can never go away completely but we can try!

JaironKalach.4938:

There is no problem with going from on unbalanced matchup to another. But I will say from experience that adding a fresh face is not helpful. I know that T3 isn’t happy with its revolving doors. Pretty sure T4 isn’t happy with the revolving door yaks/mag. Also pretty sure that T2 teams haven’t been happy with their revolving doors, either.

I agree that population will always fluctuate. But I disagree that population imbalance necessarily has as dramatic of an effect as it does now. I can think of one terrible suggestion that could severely reduce the impact of population imbalance, already: cap each BL at 5 players from each team. Sure, the reasons why this is a terrible idea are immediately evident. But population advantages would certainly no longer carry the weight. Most servers can field 20 people in WvW all the time. Okay… so now that we’ve established that it’s possible, we should figure out how to solve the population imbalance problem in a way that doesn’t suck, instead of coming up with yet another way of ensuring that the drubbings are still terrible.

Since you’ll probably yell at me for not having a counter proposal, here it is: Instead of having an outmanned buff, reduce queues based on the number of enemies available in the BL. Alternately, track exactly how much the outmanned buff and increase the AoE cap in relation to how outmanned you are.

But how does not adding a fresh face help? All that does is leave thing stagnant since the Glick system isnt moving the servers.

I completely get what you are saying about the population imbalance in WvW (sorry, for some reason I was stuck on whole server population). But the solutions to fix something like that would be major code/engine re-write.

What I am proposing is to allow there to be some movement for servers that are outmatching or being outmatched in their Tier. And to do that with a limited amount of code change. I know it is not a fix-all but until they go with something besides Glick and/or major code/engine re-write I think this is a decent way to prevent stale matchups from going on and on and on.

If the servers that are moved by this solution do not belong in the Tier they are moved into they will quickly move back to the Tier they were in. But at least they will have had a change of scenery for that week or two.

fivekiller.1432:

3 or 4 weeks?

most matchups i’ve been in i’ve noticed our wvw population goes downhill in a matter of days not weeks or months if we’re in a matchup we are losing horribly.

it doesn’t take a whole month of playing a bad game for me to want to quit.

in gameplay time 1 week of not fun is long enough for me to want to bail. 2, 3, or 4 is right out.

It would have to be something in that kind of time range. If the time frame was shorter then the fix would have to come at the Glick level, which it seems Anet doesn’t want to do.

The problem of fair-weather players leaving WvW when things get tough has nothing to do with this. Shame on them for abandoning their fellow players but you can not tell someone else how to play their game.

JaironKalach.4938:

Totally agree with Straegen. The servers that are stuck with unbalanced matchups will not magically gain balanced matchups from this. They’ll just get unbalanced matchups with different names in red.

So what is the problem with going from one unbalanced match-up to another? They are already in one, adding a fresh face might just change things up.

JaironKalach.4938:

The servers that are currently enjoying balanced matchups… well, I find it hard to believe that they would welcome a sudden unbalancing of their tier. In the end, the problem that ANet needs to solve (which I hope they are truly working on) is how to ensure that WvWvW has a greater balance between servers with different coverage. ex: NA T2,3,4

Pretty much everyone on the forums agrees that only T6 is truly balanced. 1 Tier out of 8 doesn’t support leaving the other 7 with unbalanced match-ups.

Population balance can never really be “solved”, people want to be on servers with their friends, guild, or jump ship to “winning servers”. You can not force people onto servers they do not want to be on. Charging them currency (in game or not) prevents some or most transfers to high population servers but that is about all Anet can do. If they can figure out how to force people to leave their servers for one’s they don’t want, that would be amazing.

Straegen.2938:

This idea doesn’t really fix much since IMO the staleness isn’t about server selection but about population imbalances and unfair fights. This system will push servers up that aren’t able to compete, push servers down that will dominate, the blue team will probably stay “stuck” as it is today in many tiers and the top and bottom server will still have nowhere to go.

This most certainly would alleviate population imbalances and unfair fights. The servers that are pushed up will have won 3-4 CONSECUTIVE times meaning they are dominating their Tier but can’t get that little extra rating to move purely by the Glick system. You have no way of knowing they wouldn’t be able to compete until they actually get in that Tier and show their stuff.

The servers pushed down will have lost 3-4 CONSECUTIVE times meaning they are being dominated in their Tier but can not move purely by the Glick system. Again, you have no way of knowing if they will dominate the lower Tier until they get there and show their stuff.

The middle team will then have a chance to face at least one new opponent, giving them the chance to move up or down in that Tier. This benefits all parties.

And that last sentence makes no sense. The auto-movement will make sure that the bottom or top server will move if they are dominating, so they DO have somewhere to go with 3-4 consecutive wins.

Straegen.2938:

Look at T6 where balance is found. I am sure those servers want to keep that tier in tact as long as possible.

This idea has come up a few times in different incarnations before. None of the ideas proposed have “stuck” mainly because any change likely requires weeks of programming and testing.

Different incarnations, but not this one. Sure T6 is balanced but apparently not the others. And with the movement only happening after 3-4 consecutive wins/losses, it will give that server a chance to move and show they might belong there.

This is not a perfect solution at all, but there never is a perfect solution for this kind of thing. What this does is allow a server that (for whatever reason) is making no movement despite dominating/being dominated for consecutive weeks.

Thanks for the input so far but please read my Edit on the OP.

But that would be the point of it. At the very least, for a week, there is a new match-up. And if that server does deserve to be in the new Tier then it would make up those points in that week. Or the server that moved down because the other one moved up sucks and does not make the points to move up.

This wasn’t a suggestion to fix the Glick ratings or system but to refresh some match-ups when it is needed.

It seems Anet is stuck on the Glick (or however it is spelled) system. I would like to propose a little solution to the stale match-ups I am always reading about (like T8, where I am).

I think adding an auto-movement feature that moves a server up for 3-4 consecutive wins and also moves a server down for 3-4 consecutive losses, no matter if their rating is gaining or slipping, would really help out.

This will allow the Glick system to do it’s thing yet still let a server that deserves to move up or down that opportunity to show whether they belong in the Tier above or below. If they do not belong there they will quickly settle back into the Tier they were in. If they do belong in the other Tier their rating should adjust fairly quickly.

Obviously the auto-movement would not be able to move a consecutive loss server out of T8 or a consecutive wins server out of T1.

At the very least it will give the servers a week or two of a new server in their Tier until the other server moves back into that Tier.

What do you folks think?

Edit: Please people, this is not for re-hashing old ideas that did not take a hold. Please opine away on THIS idea. If enough people think it is worthwhile then Anet may notice and think about it. If this idea sucks then it will fall down the list like all the other ideas.

katz.8376:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

(Please Anet, make a small change to ranking and make it so any server, except T1 of course, that wins 3 or 4 straight matches should move up whether their rating points say they should or not. That will at least keep things fresh for a week or two until they have to move back down again if they do not win.)

awesome idea. even with the inevitable stomping here and there, it would help make things less stagnant.

indeed! i’ve been GREATLY enjoying the fighting these past few mornings! unfortunately today and the next 3 days, i work mornings, so i’m missing out
call in your flat on monday or tuesday ;-)

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

This probably won’t be taken well, but if we could combine the three of our servers I think we would own W3. (or would it be 3W?)

an interesting thought, to be sure… i wouldn’t look forward to the queue, tho. >shudder<

Sorry for the formatting, I don’t code much so….

I think the auto-movement for 3-4 consecutive win OR losses would really help out all Tiers and it should be relativity easy to implement into the system as it wouldn’t call for a huge re-write of code. Keep the Glick but stop stale match-ups.

Monday’s are crazy for me so no calling in then. Maybe Tuesday…

Only time I get queues right now is in EB or our BL on reset night. Other than that, no queues. When I first started WvW about a month after release there were ALWAYS queues on SF, for every map. At least for me.

I hear that. And now to make the 15 character limit.

I think that a little girl and boy NPCs talk about the cat chasing the rat. Harry Potter reference, from Prisoner of Azkaban. Hermaine’s cat kept chasing Ron’s rat around Hogwarts.

Voradors.5381:

Jeknar.6184:

Such an outdated score post… Here is some actual points.

PS: Oh look, we’re outmanned!

Made me laugh that there is no outmanned buff in the screenshot. Just the breakout NPC vitality buff.
I guess if you get the 2 confused, it is easy to think your constantly outmanned.

Edit because, funnier still…..your on FC borderland. Goes against the standard “We are always outmanned by SF!”

Nice. I noticed that there was no Outmanned on there but not which BL he was on. Too funny.

I think your point is valid. The green area seems easier to navigate to get to SM and two supply camps that is much easier for green to cap and keep, Red has keep and Mendon’s plus supply right there from spawn (I think Mendon is much easier to defend than Langor).

Blue keep is attack-able from all sides from ground level, red keep you have to run up hills to get to south wall and you can’t get to east wall until you get through outer wall. Red and Blue keeps the watergate is very difficult to see someone attacking it, green keep is much easier to see that.

Anyways, as a server that has been green for a long time (SF), I do not mind it at all. :P

Manoa.5897:

Pssst…Cantur…those posts you’re talking about are from a month ago. Let it go man, let it go.

Ermmmm, take everything I typed and put it in past tense. :P

Sorry, I don’t look at time stamps like I should I guess. Just saw it at the top of the lists and clicked on it.

Carry on, nothing to see here!

OMG, this thread makes me laugh so hard. ET and FC, you guys complain all the time if any SF players posts in a thread with your name in the title, believe you call it “hijacking” your thread.

And now you do the same thing. LOL, such a double standard.

This thread is not about your servers or even the current matchup. In order to compete at higher levels we will need a better nighttime/early morning presence. Period. This is not about winning against you guys, though it will help us keep more points and hopefully gain rating numbers. This thread is about making our server solid on all fronts.

katz.8376:

to be fair, i can only report on things i personally observe. and i know the numbers flip-flop both ways. i’ve seen nights where we’ve fielded a zerg of 30-40 and i can see the chatter indicating we have defenders on the home front, but this usually only happens prime EST playtime on, or shortly after, reset night. and while we’re fielding 30, i’m taking screenshots of what looks like way more than that of you guys. during the week, our numbers drop. even at the “after work/school for America” window of time, we’re outnumbered.

the rest of the time, when we get “alot” (for us) of people together, its not enough to generate orange swords, which means we have less than 25 rolling. and we don’t always have people back home to defend.

even the “morning shift” doesn’t usually have enough people to pop orange swords (we’re close sometimes, tho. lol) but that IS the most likely time when we run into lesser numbers of SF. (or, for the past few days, we’ve run into approximately equal numbers… now THOSE fights were fun!!! MOAR PLZ!)

now with all that said and done, i didn’t get a chance to play this morning i had to work early. but i did run in real quick just to grab the score.

Wow, how long was that after the screenshot where all of EB was blue? The score looks about the same (I think).

Coverage, coverage, coverage. Yes, SF does field more players than both FC/ET servers for a part of the day, and more players than either server for another part. Why we can’t field them in those early hours speaks to our work/school schedule (though as you have said, we seem to be fielding a bit more in those hours lately). I think some of our truly dedicated folks are losing some sleep to try and keep us from losing too many points in the ratings. We really want to move up and see how we fare against T7. I think that will show what SF is made of. We will either pull together and work our way up that Tier or we will lose a number of fair weather players when the numbers/fighting gets tough consistently and move back down to T8. (Please Anet, make a small change to ranking and make it so any server, except T1 of course, that wins 3 or 4 straight matches should move up whether their rating points say they should or not. That will at least keep things fresh for a week or two until they have to move back down again if they do not win.)

And I agree, while zerging places is great and all, I like the fights where strategy determines the winner. They can be long but well worth it! Wish I could have time in the morning to be in one of those fights. Maybe I will call in with a flat tire tomorrow.

This probably won’t be taken well, but if we could combine the three of our servers I think we would own W3. (or would it be 3W?)

katz.8376:

as of 2pm, EST.

http://i.imgur.com/RD2l5Fi.jpg

hey SF. what’d you guys do, have your guys set their alarms? we actually had a fair amount of resistance this morning. was fun! good job.

Not sure. Freaking work sucks away all my GW2 time!

SniffyCube.6107:

tsk tsk, looks like someone got caught red handed

a lot of us condemned a certain guild’s use of exploits (going as far as always following them in wvw), let’s see what the SF community has to say

SF folks have been condemning this, though those posts are gone for forum admin reasons.

LOL, ya, that is true. Tend to ignore the BL until things start turning other colors. :P

katz.8376:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

So in actuallity how long were you able to hold all that? Just curious because Jeknar’s post shows us in the +300 range.

the screenshot showing +425 was taken at around 7:30-7:45 am when i first woke up. the rest were scattered thru the morning. when i logged off at around 11:30am-12noon we had less (somewhere between 200-300, i didn’t catch an exact number) but were still fighting… hopping map to map (all times in EST)

Cool. Wish I could operate on less sleep so I could wake up at 3-4am and try to counter you guys. But, alas, my work doesn’t like it when I sleep at my desk :P

katz.8376:

ok. to be perfectly honest, tier 8 is lopsided also.

during prime playtime SF can field a zerg of easily 40+ people (and if anyone wants to challenge me on that, i can provide screenshots), while still having enough left over to guard camps and towers AND cause distractions on other BL, while ET usually can barely scrape together enough people to pop orange swords on the map. i think Ferg is in a similar situation in terms of numbers.

that being said, i can tell you from experience, ET has a lot of fighting spirit currently, even for being at the bottom of the barrel for quite a while. i’ve been having fun lately

I believe SF can field that many people. But stop the we can “barely scrape together enough people” junk. There are plenty of times you have enough people for a deent zerg and defenders. Take yesterday for example. You had plenty of people to defend your garrison from multiple break-ins and still enough of a zerg to take stuff on EB.

Oh, and another note: I was in our BL yesterday and a bunch of ET were taking Bluebriar and Bluevale (over and over). Guess what? We had the outmanned buff going for us. But that can’t happen can it? SF ALWAYS out numbers both of your servers put together (as so you think from reading these forums).

Shademehr.1397:

So I’m on EST and I desparately need to finish my map completion. I’ve got a few things left in EB and a few in SF’s BL. Is there a time of the day (or night) when I’d have better luck getting the last few things I need?

Are you FC or ET?

ET has a good “night” crew, so I think (might be off an hour or two) 6-9am your time?

LOL, I might be way off.

Jeknar.6184:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Well, it happens all the time and you know it. I am not going to say SF is better in even level matches, really depends on how the players match up. We win some, we lost some. But sitting here and pretending it never happens is lame.

But what he’s saying is “SF is better no matter if it’s even or not”, which just as you stated, isn’t totally true (since SF do lose fights). And we know most of fights in T8 aren’t even…

Just as he’s tired of hearing ET/FC blamming the numbers. I don’t think bragging as if they do not exist is good either.

While I don’t think he stated that we are better if it’s even or not, I see where you got that impression. I know you have only been on ET for a week or two but you can clearly see all the frustration on all sides with this continuing matchup of the same three servers.

I look at it like this. I have two older brothers and I love them to death. But you stick us in the same house for 2 months straight and I would be ready to rifle butt them off a cliff! I know it can’t happen because in the end we are only human, but people need to learn not to take things so seriously.

Jeknar.6184:

Linkisdead.9647:

SF is winning by such a large margin because of numbers, but that doesn’t mean we wouldn’t win with a smaller margin if we lost some numbers.

Unfortunelly, that, we’ll never know…

Well, it happens all the time and you know it. I am not going to say SF is better in even level matches, really depends on how the players match up. We win some, we lost some. But sitting here and pretending it never happens is lame.