Guild Wars 2

Zenith.7301:

Digikid.7230:

It’s kinda funny that the anti condi boon is actually making condis even more of a problem, revenant and warrior are #1 epi targets for me because they never actually cleanse their condis, so you can just stack huge condis on them and epidemic the people around him to kill.

How is revenant supposed to cleanse condis, other than 2 condis removed on a long cd and hefty energy cost from staff 4 and 2 condis from jalis which you can’t run because you have to run mallyx?

It’s not like revenants are doing this on purpose. They’re just screwed defensively as a class.

Not your revenants or warriors fault they can’t cleanse, but their resistance spam with 0 cleanse is actually making the epi+ booncorrupt meta even stronger.

It’s kinda funny that the anti condi boon is actually making condis even more of a problem, revenant and warrior are #1 epi targets for me because they never actually cleanse their condis, so you can just stack huge condis on them and epidemic the people around him to kill.

I think it’s a combination of less players in general, and guilds have stopped running alone because theres no other guilds of similar size to fight so might as well tag up and voltron in EBG.

I think heal ele is still pretty strong even with the buffs to ventari rev, DPS ele is kinda outclassed by condi epi reaper, but then again every DPS is atm so its just a matter of 1 build making it look bad.

One thing I notice here with people saying to “counter and play better”, the counters to necro stacking work for small groups and roaming, but starts to get real shaky when you’re up against 30+ condi necros, theres only so much cleanse you can possibly have, and the moment you have no resistance is the moment you explode ( also resistance means you can stack condis extraordinarily well till it runs out.)

SBI is essentially made up of previous mag guilds that left the server like KRTA, CCCP and DOC, as well as recently gaining TORK from TC via the BP link, not sure who else is there though.

I’m surprised people haven’t been complaining about this earlier, especially since Mag uses them reguarly.

OP here is talking about condi necro in large fights, which has started to be stacked at least in T1 NA due to how strong it is, every fight is turning into which side has more condi necro cancer.

The ventari bubble is also useful to block siege disablers while you spam alacrity for it, double the usefulness! ( it also blocks omega siege golem shots if you need to defend against a golem rush)

To be fair, whoever replaces TC is going to get decimated as well……. the issue is that theres no 3rd server that can compete with BG/Mag, so the matchup is essentially a 1 vs 1 with the other server existing as free PPK for Mag or free PPT for BG.

K, I was wrong about ONS transferring and I should know better then to get info from the wvw discord…. regardless you are right about the 5-4-3 point system locking TC in T1, and that only Mag and BG can compete in T1 due to both the sheer coverage and organisation of the servers, I was merely disagreeing with how TC became locked into T1 in the first place – a combination of extremely unlucky rolls in T1 repeatedly and before that a number of guilds still actively trying to compete that led to TC being quite strong in T2 and winning a few skirmishes in T1 lead to TC being stuck in T1 when the 5-4-3 system came and locked them there.

EU has been even more unbalanced then NA for a while now, what happened to the guilds spreading out for even matchups thing EU had going on for couple of years?

BLAST YOUR LIGHT FIELD BOYSSSS

What about just increasing the CD of epidemic? Keep the payoff for landing a strong one, and penalises it’s current use of spamming it on CD in every fight- epidemic should be a high risk high reward skill, not a skill that can be spammed every 15s.

Guard killer used to be maxed when it gave you extra vitality/ damage upon killing camp guards, no reason to take it now that it’s removed though, I’d go for Provisions master, supply master, build master and repair master first, covers most of the wvw tasks in a regular day and you can go for supply capacity afterwards.

Ni In.6578:

If the effect is you don’t see the +2 when killing an opponent, this is a very big tell and will allow an enemy to go after cap points. If you know your enemy is outnumbered, why wouldn’t you go for a keep?

This will evolve WvW tactics… have teams deployed on all maps to see where you do and do not get +2s, then go for a hard to cap objective on any map.

People just use spies for that anyway, at least in T1 NA.

ArchonWing.9480:

Friendly fire beta.

Blobs where is your deity now?

Make friendly fire happen for a day, I want to see what happens…..

Agreed, ghost thief is a build that requires an extreme amount of skill to play effectively and it’s good that my elite skills learned after a gruelling 5 mins of playing thief are rewarded with being able to kill people.

BadMed.3846:

Isn’t this where Mal and the alliance is? If yes, I’m staying miles away.

Mal and his alliance left the server a while ago, you’re safe from them!

I hope TC gets some fighting guilds for NA/EU in order to compete in T1, always good fun fighting them.

To be fair, SoS also picked up a few JQ guilds, I believe vX and TW are on the GoM link? TWs a pretty massive guild with a lot of commanders, they can really boost server activity.

Ovalkvadratcylinder.9365:

hes not cheating ur just not very good players sry to say…

just drop the lightning field on him and force him to waste stun breaks

He wasn’t gonna do anything to that as a staff ele…. whats he gonna do? static fielding the heal is the best he could do then he has nothing to follow up.

5-4-3 is keeping the weakest server in uncompetitive matchups- look at TC gaining rating this week when they’re getting decimated in T1.

Not that 1 vs 1 balance is in any way an indication of class strength, I’m just correcting some info here for the person that said thief doesn’t win 1 vs 1, it actually has favourable matchups with power/condi rev (almost a hard counter) , condi/power mesmer ( favours thief), condi/power necro (again almost a hard counter) and eats FA eles for breakfast, it really only struggles against DH/warrior/druid and those matchups are winnable for acro staff/dp thief.

I wonder how much of TC’s wvw activity is people logging in to do node runs/dailies, even this week in a blowout match when I roam on TCBL I run into quite a few PVE players trying to do their stuff and promptly log out when they see me or die in 1 combo, makes me think that TC’s PVE/casual player base is artificially inflating the population count.

Example vendor for WvW: 100 unspent rank points + 500 badges of honour + 60 gold = 1 ascended weapon or piece of armour, that way theres something for long time players to dump points into, and get ascended gear at the same time!

A standard fighting guild comp would be Guardians for stability/boons, Eles for massive healing and boons, Revs for resistance spam and group damage reduction ,condi necros to kill eles/guardians and some groups still run boonshare mesmers for more quickness/resistance uptime.
While your comp should be mainly made up of those classes,other classes still have a niche like Warrior for warbanner and being capable of high burst, scrapper for super speed spam and stealthing focused targets, Druid for healing/stealthing focused targets and thief to do…. whatever it is a thief does. You don’t want too many of these classes in your comp, but they can be used to fill specific niches to round out your comp.

The real reason boonshare meta should stay is because it’s the only thing making a melee comp somewhat viable, without boonshare you’d go back to pirateship meta which is way more boring.

Symptom of 5-4-3 scoring, and now with BG looking like they’re going to win this week you’ll gain rating simply by being in a matchup where Mag takes 2nd place even if you were to place last and increasing the chances for your server to roll T1 again.

It’s wierd, in T2 TC can put up multiple map queues, but in tier 1 TC struggles to put up a single map q…. how do you accurately measure population when theres such a large difference in activity between tiers?

Just looking at the previous yaks bend matchups, it doesn’t appear your server is performing badly in most of your matchups excluding one with FA, in fact your server even won last week and is currently 2nd place in this weeks matchup, that indicates your server is fine.

gebrechen.5643:

TC: Full (after losing a lot of guilds in the past month)
JQ: Full (TW left) – empty at EU, empty at OCX, normal sized NA, big SEA

MAG: High

Don’t know how this system works, but something can’t be right.
Maybe Anet needs to check IP adresses for second accounts on servers. Maybe on TC and JQ there is an army hidden somewhere that is in the borderlands but never participates in wvw.

How JQ is full is a mystery to me unless SEA is weighted differently in the population algorithm, for TC the server was a popular choice for players to be on for PVE and RP etc leading to TC maintaining a large casual playerbase, it seems entirely possible to me that now TC is in a tier its competitive in that those casual players are playing more then they would in T1.

Crazy.6029:

So by that logic no matter how stacked a server is, if it loses 2 guilds and doesn’t have sea coverage it should open. It shouldn’t matter how it is in comparison to other servers. Ok, thank you for your input.

….. You mean the server population dropped with the leaving of a 1 decent sized and 1 massive guild leaving and that lead to it being opened as a result, what exactly is your point?

Crazy.6029:

The fact that Mag was opened again, is a statement itself and pretty much says everything about the state of WvW NA. GG Anet.

Mag recently lost 2 guilds, one of which could run 40+ pretty consistently, added to that Maguuma still doesn’t have a single SEA guild and pretty horrible off hours in general and you can understand why Mag is open again~

Anjo.3170:

Squads in general have created a culture of elitism and bullying. This is just 1 symptom of it. I play druid and dont even bother with squads anymore. Commanders will use squads to bully people into their play style. If you take a bathroom break, regardless of class, expect to come back and see yourself booted from the squad. You squirrel, booted, mess up a portal or invis shield, gone.

Don’t call people wanting to have a competitive comp so they can fight things bullies, they’re tagging up so they can actually fight things, and want to have a comp that allows them to fight things, whats wrong with that?

To be fair he’s talking about being accepted as a Pug druid, I agree engi/druid stealth to break targeting is an actual role in gvgs/open field fights, but its a role that actually requires co-ordination and strong decision making skills on the part of the player doing the stealthing, theres no way you would trust a random unknown player with that, you’d have a guildie/known person to you doing it instead.

Outmanned buff is 3 to 1 right? It stands to reason you can have a decent sized force and still be outmanned by a map queue, we had 30ish on Mag yesterday and were still outmanned, that just means the enemy had 90+.

The thread is a little off, boonshare mesmer is one of the strongest zerg classes….. and warrior sucks for zerging because it’s complete epidemic bait and outclassed by something like a mallyx jalis rev that can frontline while spamming resistance and damage reduction….. Anyway you can’t blame a commander especially if hes commanding pugs to want to have meta classes and builds, which means Guardian/Ele/Revenant/ Mesmer.
I believe that there are specific uses for Engi/Druid ( stealth to break targeting on a focused target in gvgs), but its too specific of a niche to be needed.

Cerby.1069:

L2P issue…..this is a ridiculous thing to complain about imho.

Most drivers run guardian….and if you build and use it properly you are the tankiest thing ingame. you got blocks galore….so the enemy must have unblockables in their zerg specs (not a common thing). You got perma resistance basically, unlikely to get boonstripped and you got clears galore in a proper zerg….not gonna get pin sniped by condi. you got ur 3 second invulnerability from allllllll damage that will negate any aoe attacks that hit you, protecting ur allies. Then you got all these instant rez abilities that ur teammates will have…as soon as you go down they will bubble you and rez u in 1 second and you’ll get a huge heal basically. Then you can do that 3 more times or something dumb like that. You also got pets and warbanner and other people can shield block ur position with stealth and other kitten.
The fact ur whole zerg is dependent on a singular player is really not the ideal to begin with. Assign lieutenants….thats why the rank exists.

I don’t know how much more handholding you want the game to give you…….its already ridiculous as is.

If you die just respawn and walk back in 30 seconds….and try again.

While I agree that pinsniping is unavoidable and should be played around, guardian is actually fast becoming the preferred target in a lot of fights due to their weakness to boon corruption/unblockables, I’m honestly starting to believe that drivers should try out other classes to drive on (eg minstrel/nomad chrono)

Mylerian.9176:

Great for trolling enemy players that are trying to do the puzzle lol.

Do people still do the puzzle? Occassionally I go there hoping to mess with people but theres never anyone around.

Stand The Wall.6987:

alright so I’m going to try to follow this argument logically. pinsnipers say “lol your commander dies and you don’t have a backup driver”. so what if you do have a backup driver, or 4? all you have to do is switch targets, then you can continue to grind the fight to a halt.

anyway, best snipe is 2 necro corrupt boon 2 hamrev CoR + 1 other. or the d/d thief duo.

Best snipe is 60+ pinsnipers, sheesh everyone is so far behind the meta these days…..

Jayne.9251:

What’s hilarious is Mags with blobs is so anti-Mags.

I think every server out there has felt this pain by now.

Mind you, ornery playerbase saved Mags for a long while. No, that’s not missing an h.

From a day 1 Mag player….. Mag has been forced into this style of gameplay from fighting other T1 servers (especially BG/TC) that ran heavy map blobs and were less focused on gvgs then Maguuma, I think adapting to their style of gameplay is what killed Mags culture of running single guilds into simply tagging up and gathering a strong core + well trained militia in order to run over the majority of forces.

Nikola.3841:

Lol, guildie on twitch just tried to take BG home tower in mag bl with 3 people, got steamrolled by 40

Your guild could ask for a gvg if you cared so much about fighting even numbers, did that ever occur to you?

Nikola.3841:

I’ll pass…I hear Mag mapblobs even camps, how funny would be playing against that…I guess that explains KDR too

Can confirm, They say if you say map blob 3 times in T1 a Mag blob will appear and take you away.

Just have 30-40 more pinsnipers then the enemy, if that doesn’t work then increase to 50-60 more, this tactic always works

Best way to counter pinsnipe = have 15-25+ more pinsnipers then the enemy, tactic has never failed so far.

Would be nice to encourage people to play support builds, they go so unappreciated atm

Jerry CCH.9816:

now i know why WvW dying… coz Everyone Focus at PPT Talking.

When Win PPT, You get Anything ?
NO. always 7 Days Reset

If more people thought like you, the game would be more fun for everyone

You’re all thinking too deep into an epidemic change, just give it 5-10 more seconds on its CD to reduce its current use as spamming it off cd in large group fights, keep the payoff but also promote skilled use of it.

OriOri.8724:

2-1-1 was not given nearly enough time to determine whether it was better than, worse than, or about the same as 3-2-1. 3-2-1 was give ~ 4 months before Anet decided to change it, 2-1-1 was given ~3 weeks. No good comparisons could be drawn from that. And 5-4-3 will leave us in the exact same place we started, which was changed precisely because it wasn’t working that great.

I agree, especially as responses seemed to be mixed (personally I like it), I feel that it should have been given a few months to determine whether to keep it or not.