Guild Wars 2

Gauradan.8361:

Dogblaster.6713:

They dont want you to farm your legendary in 2 months. It is supposed to by long term goal =1 year for instance.

Or, instead of farming for a year, you could get a job. You know, that thing that people do to get money. Real money.

Ye you could. Thats your choice. Everyone can decide what he wants am I right? Is this 2012 right?

SHM.7628:

Dogblaster.6713:

Solefald.8751:

In the latest patch, steeltide got stealth nerf. I have to say good job….you don’t want us to farm, and you keep nerfing every single money/material source. What’s the point for this? t6 materials for a legendary is just insane if you want to buy it from TP. If you continue to do this, I’ll realy consider buying further expansions…..also fix your game don’t do content patches in every month, no point in it.

They dont want you to farm your legendary in 2 months. It is supposed to by long term goal =1 year for instance.

If you want to buy it from TP its your fault so no reason to complain. Go farm material instead using TP as shortcuts …

Someone already said this. But it looks like whoever is complaining about HIGH TP prices is just mad because he cant use this shortcut to craft his Legendary. You are not supposed to buy everything from TP you know?

Please just dont create another topic like this, we already have plenty of them.

In a no grind game getting the max weapon is a year? Yeah, that makes no sense at all. “There are enough of these posts” because many people are greatly displeased.

Its the Legendary weapon .. not some max weapon. Max weapon is any exotic weapon 80 lvl.

Legendary weapons are ment to be the most exclusive, rare, unique weapons that only the most dedicated players will have. Simple

Primal.9513:

Dogblaster.6713:

They dont want you to farm your legendary in 2 months. It is supposed to by long term goal =1 year for instance.

That was true when legendary weapons were only cosmetic upgrades. Now they are simply BiS with no equivalent, since ascended weapons are not there yet.

No they are still optional and cosmetic upgrade. They have now exactly same stats like exotics And when ascended weapons arrive it will still be easyer to obtain them than Legendary weapons .. And Legendary wepons wont ever have Infusion slots (main reason to have ascended weapons)

So you are wrong

So stop making up stuff just to make developers lower the prices/requirements for Legendary weapons only because you are not willing to do them.

I know already about 5-7 players from my guild, or friend that are close to Legendary weapons. In my oppinion that is kinda big number for something that had to be most rare and unique weapon for 5% population only.

But it atleast prove that its not impossible to craft Legendary.

Solefald.8751:

In the latest patch, steeltide got stealth nerf. I have to say good job….you don’t want us to farm, and you keep nerfing every single money/material source. What’s the point for this? t6 materials for a legendary is just insane if you want to buy it from TP. If you continue to do this, I’ll realy consider buying further expansions…..also fix your game don’t do content patches in every month, no point in it.

They dont want you to farm your legendary in 2 months. It is supposed to by long term goal =1 year for instance.

If you want to buy it from TP its your fault so no reason to complain about high prices. Go farm material instead using TP as shortcut …

Someone already said this. But it looks like whoever is complaining about HIGH TP prices is just mad because he cant use this shortcut to craft his Legendary anymore. You are not supposed to buy everything from TP you know?

Please just dont create another topic like this, we already have plenty of them.

Parthis.2091:

So no, not everyone had that opportunity. You spent almost 50% of the hours since launch doing what you’ve done. That’s not feasible for the vast majority of the player base.

This is a burgeoning economy, and is malleable… just like software. Anet can improve this situation. You have a legendary, you’ve grinded your way there, I understand your resentment against potential change or the opinion that it is, simply, broken.

The OP has a valid point; you having a legendary doesn’t change that.

So you blame Arenanet for your decision not playing enought? You could simply quit your job, school and play 12+ hours a day if you wanted to. ITS ONLY YOUR CHOICE.

I did sacrifice 3 months of real life in order to craft my legendary in 3 months(faster than it is supposed to take). You could do the same.

Its only your choice what you do with your time. Someone rather work many hours a day at the expense of free time/hobby and someone else rather play video games, etc at the expense of money.

Its only personal choice.

Do I complain that someone is making more money than me because I didnt make so much time for work as he did? Only my fault and my decision i didnt.

Anyways. This is my last post in this topic. I said all what I wanted.

So cya all and GL & HF

Parthis.2091:

It’s not doing dungeons; it’s doing one dungeon repeatedly. That is, by definition, grind.
It’s not playing the game to get lodestones; it’s killing the same mobs over and over and over. That is also grind.
It’s not playing WvW; it’s joining a zerg to kill players to RNG badges from loot bags.
It’s not playing to acquire a pre-cursor; it’s throwing countless items of the same type into the mystic forge over and over again. Grind.
The game even has a gearing stat specifically for grind.

It’s not playing the game. It’s repeating specific aspects of the game numerous times in order to progress; that is a direct contradiction to the manifesto.

Now contrast that with changes that could actually make it fun or more accessible; how about all mobs have a chance of dropping Lodestones, and in order to make it Molten/Charged/Icy, etc, you needed to take them to a volcano, or to face a dragon, and be hit with an ability to change them. I have a lodestone, I need it to be Icy, i’m going to seek out Jormag and fight him. That, right there, is instantly more fun and engaging for the majority than mindlessly grinding mobs or buying them from the TP, and it has a known result.

How about stripping back the need to do one instance many times. A weekly random challenge in the dungeon’s host region could offset some of that grind. etc etc… weekly implies time; so there’s a known, consistent time route if users don’t want to mindless grind dungeons.

How about not tying legendaries so tightly to materials that are also heavily sought after for other aspects of the game; it’s a vicious circle. Mats go up because legendaries need them, which in turn pushes up prices for the people trying to actually craft normal goods.

How about using achievement points to offset some of the requirements, so players can go out into the world and do jumping puzzles, throw on goggles and jump off waterfalls, and actually pick achievements that sound fun to them etc etc. That’s playing the game; when something as fun to the individual as a jumping puzzle contributes to their long term goals.

How about making WvW award badges for actively defending a camp, or sieging a keep, or escorting a doly; you know, actually playing the game.

So again, grats on your legendary and i’m thrilled you personally enjoyed working your way through the shopping list of mats, but let’s not kid ourself that Anet have produced a fun, inspiring and engaging goal.

They’re smarter than this. They could have made this amazing, instead it’s really very dull.

And for the record, as the tone of your post suggests i’m complaining for no reason or without knowledge of what’s actually involved; I have a pre-cursor, I have some of the lodestones, i’ve some of the instances, etc. It’s just not overly compelling, and it’s very disappointing from a company so focused on producing an accessible, enjoyable and repetition free game.

I know what you are saying. But thing is I DO enjoy farming and repeating content.

That is kinda major part of every MMORPG. Repeating content, farming in order to gain something valuable. That is even major part of real life.

That is why I play MMORPG. In fact I am curious what MMORPG doesnt have no repeating content? If I remeber correctly every mmorpg I have played had some: WoW, Aion, Swtor, Lotro, Rift, Vanguard, AoC, Warhammer online, GW 1, Lineage, Everquest, Tera, The Secret world, maybe few more.

Everything in mmorpg involve repeating content

If they give you the most valuable items in-game without repeating the content it would be like giving it for free. Because there is no effort involved, everyone would achieve one after some time.

Legendary weapons were created to take a long time. So only those who are dedicated to farm/collect all the materials should craft them. Arenanet already said that they are ment to be the most unique and rarest weapons in the game so only 5% of player base would achieve them.

So the best way how to ensure only 5% of player base would achieve them is to set up really high required effort to craft one ( A LOT of material and gold required).

And to by honest, create some special interesting and long content (aka story, jumping puzzles, dungeons) only for Legendary weapons would be waste of anets money, because they would create it only for 5% player base.

Ath.2531:

rancidstick.2704:

So did everyone just ignore that OP dislikes how ridiculous it is when you compare how much it costs to get a legendary now vs earlier, and instead chose to attack him on not wanting to farm?

Thank you

That sounds more like jealousy to me … sadly.

You had same opportunity to do the same, its not Areanets fault you didnt. The market was evolving since release and it has stabilized now, only because you didnt catch the early low prices doesnt give you right to complain and demand low prices again. The current prices are where they should be.

I agree that Legendaries were cheaper first 2 months after release but that was obvious. Not so many players wanted legendary back then, many players didnt even hit 80 back then. SO THERE WAS LOW DEMAND FOR T6 mats, lodestones and precursors, etc.

PRICES always mirror current DEMAND by players. Current demand is 10x higher than it was 2 months ago.
So if more players want precursor now than 2 months ago, prices of precursors will increase. If even more players will demand more precursors, T6 material, lodestones, etc in next year you can bet price may go up even higher.

Higher demand = higher the prices

Simple. Nothing to complain here if you know how economy works.

Parthis.2091:

You’re wrapped up in your own efforts that you completely miss the point; grats on your legendary, but making up time-frames for people with less time than you is remarkably short sighted. The moment you use the word Work you weaken your argument; this is a game, work is something I do to pay my Mortgage.

Like the OP, I and many others are willing to put in effort to get a legendary.

However the reality is this; crafting a legendary weapon in this game is in no-way enjoyable. That is a problem. People like you who’ve spent the last three months mindlessly acquiring everything needed to craft a legendary have done so at a price point that is now unavailable to people going forward. That is a problem. The heavy dependency on the trading framework and it’s rampant scaling is a problem. New players have no chance of getting one the way it stands… in fact new players have a hard enough time getting optimally geared.

Time is fine. If Anet had a goal that 12 months was optimal for a legendary they’d have implemented it in a way that gated the creation and put more personal goals in place in order to craft it. Instead we have a situation whereby the player has to mindlessly farm, grind and pray to the RNG gods.

Time != Effort, Grind != Fun.

The sad thing is that in the eyes of many, Legendaries were pitched as the ultimate personal end-game, something all players could go for… instead the current legendary grind-fest is the biggest affront to the manifesto so far.

But not to worry, i’m sure the pre-cursor scavenger hunt we keep hearing about will solve all of these problems.

Did you ever think that people are actually enjoying it?

I did enjoy all those 1200 hours collecting all what I needed and I know atleast 5 more friends who are almost done with their legendaries too and I know they are having fun.

By saying you dont enjoy the actual way of obtainig Legendary you are acutally saying you DONT enjoy playing Guild Wars 2 at all.
Because the way Legendary weapons are crafted is by simply playing the game Doing dungeons, wvw, events, story, leveling alts … Everything you do in Guild wars 2 takes you closer to finish your legendary. EVERYTHING

You dont have to grind/farm ever in Guild Wars 2 in order to craft your legendary. ONLY if you want your Legendary in 2-3 months. But then Its only YOUR fault and not Areanets.

Maybe but maybe .. You are not supposed to have Legendary when you dont enjoy playing the Guild Wars 2. Because there are tons of players who do enjoy it.

I dont enjoy many things in many games but I am not tryeing to change them because I know there are players that actuly enjoy it as it is.

If I wanted and demanded those changes only because me I would feel selfish and those players would have right to demand refund and rage.

This is what I think

Here you go

@OnlyFate .. Did anyone said that Legendaries should be done in 3 months? If you dont have time to play 10+ hours a day you can still craft your legendary in half year or more. The Legendaries are supposed to be long term goal (like 1 year for avarage player)
I just sacrificed 3 months of my real life to gain it faster than it was supposed to take.

Its the same like when someone is sacrificing his hobbies/free time in order to work more and earn more money because he wants to buy something faster.

There are items (weapons, armors) in other mmorpgs that requires you to play even more to gain them, can go up to 3000-5000 hours played. So I dont find Legendaries in Guild Wars 2 that hard to craft.

The last thing I think about is converting the time spend in-game to real life money I could make instead. If I ever do this, I would never play MMORPGs in the first place.

It is just a matter of your decision and priorities

Thats all.

Blarrg.8305:

So about 28 gold and a few months farming? So why are there all these other posts about hundreds of gold required? Not to diminish your achievement, but to me, right now and (quite likely) uninformed, it appears not to difficult to get?

I didnt say it costed me only 28 gold. I said I borrowed 28 gold and gained the rest by myself (about 400 gold) NOT including the material.
But anyways you need only 120 gold for recipes and icy stones, the rest is material that can be farmed/collected.

Blarrg.8305:

Just out of curiosity, how much gold did it take to obtain this, and of that amount, how much was provided by others?

Edit: and congrats, it looks amazing

I did borrow about 28g (was unpatient :P) at the end but I did farm or collect all the material myself. Cant tell you the exact price because I collected a lot of material instead of buying it.

And to by honest I dont count the gold it costed but the time I put in But ye It was worth it, for me atleast.

Thanks you very much guys

Effects:
- Drawing the weapon causes the player to be covered in liquid metal. The color of the metal changes with the dye on the player’s armor.
- Running down its spine is a thermometer shaped tube containing the Vial of Quicksilver used to craft it. The quicksilver shifts in response to the player’s swings
- Swinging the weapon causes it to spill and splash quicksilver.

Hello guys.

So FInally I am done with my legendary weapon The Juggernaut and I want to thank my guild The Exterminatus, my friends and mainly my girlfriend for her patience with me for past 3 months!

All those nearly 1200 hours spend in-game collecting material for it was WORTH it and I had blast. When I crafted The Juggernaut It was one of the best feelings I ve had in MMORPG for the past 8 years.

I want to show everyone that its not impssible to craft Legendary weapon and it just take some time and effort. Everyone can craft one if he really desires to

So Thank you very much Arenanet for giving us this awesome game :-* Guild Wars 2

And I wish a BIG luck to those who are now on their way to finish their Legendaries

See ya

Crafted my Juggernaut yesterday

Legendary weapons are LONG TERM goal and for avarage player it should take one year to craft one.

Thats 365 days .. If you do only 2-3 golds per day, you can still have it without problems

I had to play 1200 hours in 3 month to craft mine. Its not NEARLY unreachable. Legendary weapons are for those who are willing to put required effort in.

IF you dont want to put the required effort then just give up and dont go for Legendary, its not for you.

And no one can complain that someone who went for his Legendary at release had it easyer because of lower prices. He had the same chance, he had the same opportunity. If he didnt play before, its only his fault and his problem. He cant be just jealous and complain about it.
Its like asking your country to give you same opprotunities to become rich like all those people after revolution who had it 10x easyer than now, etc. Not going to happen.

Arenanet already said that people are reaching their Legendaries way faster than expected so its obvious that they wanted prices of mats to rise.
Current Prices are where they should be, the previous prices were low because of bots and Arenanet already stated that it was their intention to increase them.

And as you can see I did craft my Legendary even with current prices.

Acidicore.3264:

It’s soulbound on use, so you could sell it if you wanted to. Congratulations of your legendary Dogblaster, 75% of the way there for my Meteorlogicus.

Thanks man and Good luck with your Legendary Ure almost there as I can see, well done

I bought cultural armor tier 3 medium shoulders with my guardian So ye. Had to sell it …

Its sad there is no refund ingame option. I would like to change them for heavy or my gold back.

I dont even know how I bought them because I didnt even preview them .. W/E

Yes, souldbound on use.

I have crafted my Juggernaut just few hour ago and it was WORTH IT I love it and I enjoyed every of those 1200 hours collecting all the material needed.

Thank you arenanet for great game !!

browolf.3825:

Legendaries are the reward for people prepared to grind like mad or play a long time. Consequently not everyone will have/get one. It would hardly be ‘legendary’ if everyone had one. In any event if you think this is bad try final fantasy xi. After 10 years not that many people have one.

EXACTLY. This person is right.

Legendaries are for the players who want to play Guild Wars 2 for many years. For those who are okey with the effort that Legendary weapons requiers!

I crafted my Juggernaut today. Few hours ago and the effort, those almost 1200 hours I ve spend collecting all the material and gold was WORTH IT.

Thank you Arenanet for your awesome game. Guild Wars 2

Fortuna.7259:

Wow. Talk about distorted. People aren’t complaining they don’t have the time. People are complaining that the design of Guild Wars 2 asks for too much of their time. That is, they want a game that is fun in a reasonable amount of time and doesn’t have extended, pointless time sinks built in. You know, the game they THOUGHT Guild Wars was supposed to be…

If they realize that some things like legendary weapons are ment to be LONG TERM goal which should take about 1 YEAR to achieve it would be great.

Its about 3 months that GW is out, so avarage player is not supposed to have Legendary for another 9 +- months … You have enought time, just relax.

People these days just wants to do everything quicker than it is supposed to take.
They want full dungeon set in 3 days even when it should take month to obtain, they want legendary weapons in 2 months, even when it should take one year. ETC. ETC.

After people realize that mmorpgs are about time spend ingame and effort, they would stop complaining so much.

How can somone complain that Guild Wars ask for too much time? This is MMORPG for god sake. Every mmorpg do ask for as much time as possible …

Especially legendary weapons! They were created as the best looking, unique and prestigue skins that only the MOST dedicated playes should achieve. Those who spend more time playing Guild Wars 2 than in real life.

Arenanet never said that Guild Wars 2 is mmorpg for casuals. They said you dont have to GRIND or be HC player to be on pair (have same stats) as everyone in the game. Thats true, someone with ugly full crafted exotic has now exactly the same stats like I do with my legendary The Juggernaut and Cultural tier 3.

But if person wants some unique, rare, prestigue armor he needs to work for it.
And the Legendary weapon is the most unique, rare and prestigue weapon in the game so only the most dedicated players should have them, those who are okey with required effort (btw I did enjoy farming for my legendary and cultural 3) … SIMPLE

ChairGraveyard.2967:

Dogblaster.6713:

Really?! Hmm .. So how come that I can farm 10-20 g per day just simpy by doing dungeons and farming cursed shore.

Detail exactly what you’re doing there to get 20g per day (how long is this “day” anyway? 23 hours? Some people have lives).

Anyway, I think you’re full of it. I seriously doubt you can come up with any legitimate way to earn 20g “a day” with the current rare drop rates.

Dungeons, cursed shore .. thats all I do. Somethng about 3-8 dungeons paths and few hours of doing events. So believe me, there are legitimate ways

Yes I play 10+ hours a day … and because someone has ’’life’’ doesnt give him rights to make an excuse from it.

Someone having real life things to do, aka work, wife, kids is not excuse. You dont have 10 hours a day to farm gold, tokens, material? So be prepared to be patient because It will take you 2x longer than for someone like me who plays 10+ hours a day.

I am also not complaining in real life about someone here having more money than do I? Just because I play too much Guild Wars I dont have time to work as much as you do I have no rights to complain about it, its my own fault.

EVERYONE IS HIS OWN MASTER. Person just cant complain about not having time for something, because its only his own fault he didnt make that time.

ChairGraveyard.2967:

Your only option is to pay thousands of dollars to get the gold via gems (or hundreds from gold sellers). ArenaNet clearly doesn’t want it to be possible to earn gold by playing the game/farming (hardcore farming included, I have been farming Cursed Shore for 3 days and got one rare).

Either buy gems/gold or cheat (Godskull cheaters etc. that have gone unbanned), that’s how you’re supposed to get a legendary. At least, ArenaNet has nerfed the loot/rewards into the ground so heavily and ignored rampant cheating such that those are the only sane ways.

Really?! Hmm .. So how come that I can farm 10-20 g per day just simpy by doing dungeons and farming cursed shore. And I am not alone. I have friends almost done with their legenadries, they didnt hack, they didnt use gold sellers… They just played a lot.

You know why I have my legendary? Because I worked for it … 1200 hours played here.

After you get to 1000+ hours played, tell me …

I can be wrong but for me It looks like everyone who is saying something like you did, is just a jealous person that is angry because someone achieved his Legenary faster.

Players should realize one fact:

There are always better players and there are always players that achieve goals faster than others

No one can be jealous at these players. If anyone is … I recommned him to visit some doctor.

I think 10-20 gold per hour would be okey .. right?

NOT

Avarage player can make 1-2 gold per hour and thats okey. Thats how it should be.

Calsifer.6079:

Bluestone.7106:

I also do not think they should be exotics because it would make people get it for reason other than the appearance and with cultural armor the main purpose is the appearance. And I think it should stay that way.

People wouldn’t get it for reasons other than appearance because anyone with a brain would know that there’s easier ways of attaining exotic armor. exotic armor on the TP is many times cheaper than T3 armor, and Karma is one of the easiest ways of getting exotic armor.

There are two options, interested in T3 aesthetics OR not interested in T3 aesthetics. Why would some who isn’t interested in T3 aesthetics earn 119g just for exo stats when you can spend 20-30g on the TP and get perfectly fine exo armor from there?

Making cultural armor exotic = making it cheaper

Now cultural armor is just prestigue skin. Everyone buys it and transmute it to the exotics.

If cultural weapons were exotics, some players would skip exotic armor and just buy the cultural armor tier 3 .. that means lower costs for players = lower price

Why you want cultural armor to be exotic anyway? when you want to transmute it ? Doesnt make sence at all. It make sence only when you want to lower your costs by not buying any other exotics that you claimed as nonsence

So please .. keep cultural armor 3 as it is or make it SKIN ONLY.

Thank you

Once I ve heard this …

If you dont have time for certain activities (Guild Wars for instance) ITS ONLY because you didnt make time for it. You choose to do something else instead.

I choosed to play guild wars 2 instead of going out with my friend, girlfriend, watching movie, etc. You choosed to go out with your wife, kid, dog .. That is what you decided to do.

Everyone is his own master and does what he wants. Not what hes forced to do.

Arenanet already SAID that they are rewarding the players who are playing the game. Not those who are not playing it.

Dante.1508:

I remember when this game was designed for everyone evenly, these days i don’t feel that way at all.

Everything feels like a grind in game now, even a simple thing as leveling up feels harder now than it did.
My latest Alt is always 2 levels behind when completing a map, a few months ago i was exactly at the req level, have they lowered the exp amounts? i do many many events in game and still i’m behind the req level, so much grind..

If its not exp its gold or mats or whatever else Anet wants to limit us with, yes i play many hours but i still consider myself a casual player.

I don’t ever think i’ll get a Legendary weapon and even if i did i’d just sell it for the 350 gold it makes me, as i can buy so much more needed items than 1 silly weapon to boost my ego..

The game is still designed for everyone evenly … I dont get what are you saying here?

IS anyone discrimintaed for their race, gender, class, profession somehow?

Last time I ve checked everyone could play as much as me, they could farm the same thing as me … Or did they put some timer on how much you can play per day?

If they made everyone have the same amoun of gold per day, farm the same time only, wouldnt they discriminate players like me, those who wants to play 10+ hours day? Those who wants to be the best? I think ye they would.

So please stop saying that someone is discrimintaed. No one is. Everyone has same rights and opportunities. Everyone can make the same gold per day, Everyone. Only difference is how much we want to

Fiontar.4695:

The prices are too high, but even if they keep them as is, they should at least make them exotics and offer at least a few different stat sets! It does add insult to injury that the level 80s are not only extremely expensive, but you won’t even be using them for the stats.

I have suggestion for Arenanet.

Please make all cultural armor only SKINS that you can trasmute. Without stats.

Please.

This way some people start to understand that Cultural Armor is only skin and Tier 3 is prestigue, rare, expensive skin which requires big effort to obtain !!!

I saw countless players with Cultural armor tier 3. Countless. If they could work for it, pay the price, why cant YOU?

I bought my cultural amor tier 3 already, 2 months ago. If they decrease the price I will demand full refund.

Orion Magus.5348:

Ballistic.4531:

Proving your worth through a game? Sorry to say but that just sounds sad to me.
Why do you want to proove yourself to others with a few pixels? I honestly don’t get it. I couldn’t care less if my neighbour has a bently. Why do I care about the stuff he does or doesn’t have. Makes no sense. How does him having a bently affect me or my way of living? I guess it’s a phylosophical question but I see no reason why would I peek through a spy-hole at the door to see what my neighbour is carrying in his bags.

You are makeing too much sense to be a forum poster. XD

As to the buisness side of things, there is no monthly fee for this game. Keeping me playing for years by having me grind endlessly does not earn anet more money. Adding holiday skins and quality of life changes (more character slots, more bank space, more inventory slots, haircuts, ect…) to the cash shop does. Bug fixes, more pvp map types, and wvw objectives would make me play longer (an extra fractal every now and then wouldn’t hurt either).

Running a dungeon once might be a little fast for a full set of gear. However it would not kill this game. If the only reason you are playing is because you are chasing a dungeon grind then yea, I guess that would be it for you until the next expansion comes around. If you were playing the game because you actually enjoy playing the game (insert surprised face here) then having your character look just how you want them to look will make the game more enjoyable. Continue running around with your friends doing pvp, wvw, even the odd event chain every now and again. Heck if you really liked a dungeon keep doing it, difference is now you are doing it for the fun of it not because it takes x amounts of runs before you can get the armor you want.

If I had every dungeon set I would need more space to store aforementioned dungeon armor and would buy more bank space directly leading to anet making more money from me.

Or I would burn out faster because ive already obtained all I wanted sadly too fast

Ballistic.4531:

Dogblaster.6713:

Orion Magus.5348:

Sneaks.2071:

I agree with your point. I’m uncomfortable with the idea of everyone easily being able to get the best thing out there. It defeats the purpose of wanting and working to obtain specific items.

This is, imo, a terrible attitude to have. The only way that you as an epic grinder can enjoy your shiny is if the rest of the plebs in the game have virtually no chance of obtaining said shiny? (Not specifically directed at only you but to those who hold with your quoted statement.)

If you find yourself unable to be happy because your neighbor has the same car as you… well I’m not sure I can help you.

Yes. I would feel less happy if my neighbour or everone else would have the same car, Bentley for instance. This care is so awesome because only small portion of people have them. I wouldnt care about this care if everyone would have it.

Why you think that rich people are buying expensive cloths, cars, houses, etc? They are doing it because they can and they want to prove everything they have money for it.

After I buy my cultral tier 3 armor, craft my legendary .. I want everybody know that I worked kitten hard for it, when they see it they should know how dedicated player I am.

You think I would go for cultural tier 3 or craft my legendary if everyone would have it? kitten no .. why would I … I would go for the most rare weapon that no one else has.

Proving your worth through a game? Sorry to say but that just sounds sad to me.
Why do you want to proove yourself to others with a few pixels? I honestly don’t get it. I couldn’t care less if my neighbour has a bently. Why do I care about the stuff he does or doesn’t have. Makes no sense. How does him having a bently affect me or my way of living? I guess it’s a phylosophical question but I see no reason why would I peek through a spy-hole at the door to see what my neighbour is carrying in his bags.

Some things are there only to show off. Like expensive sports cars or legendary weapons. You still can buy very nice sports car 10x cheaper or craft 10x cheaper awesome weapon but you buy those more expensive just to show off.

MMORPGs are and always will be about who has better and cooler stuff.
CoD, Battlefield, Dota, Lol are and always be about who has better skill.

etc.

Erasculio.2914:

Dogblaster.6713:

Why you think that rich people are buying expensive cloths, cars, houses, etc? They are doing it because they can and they want to prove everything they have money for it.

That’s a somewhat sad point of view. Has it not ocurred to you that maybe a rich person wants a Mercedes for the pleasure of driving such a smooth car? And that said pleasure would be the same if that Mercedes were a one of a kind or if everyone had one of those?

Not everyone needs external validation; not everyone needs to try to impress others, and not everyone is impressed by a display of wealth, be it outside or inside the game.

Most of them usually no. I know it. I have mercedes myself and after you get used to luxury of these cars, the only thing you care is about how expensive and prestigue these cars are. I know its sad but ye thats how it is.

Its like guys buy expensive cars to pick up girls. Girls buy expensive and fancy cloths to pick up boys.

Every girl I know HATES when she see girl with same cloths. And guys just dont like when they see someone with same car. This is normal. Dont tell me you never noticed?

I am not talking about every single person. There are rich person with miliards and they drive old cars, wears second hand cloths. But majority of people wants expensive stuff so they can show off and prove everyone they have for it.

Its sad but thats how it is.

Orion Magus.5348:

Sneaks.2071:

I agree with your point. I’m uncomfortable with the idea of everyone easily being able to get the best thing out there. It defeats the purpose of wanting and working to obtain specific items.

This is, imo, a terrible attitude to have. The only way that you as an epic grinder can enjoy your shiny is if the rest of the plebs in the game have virtually no chance of obtaining said shiny? (Not specifically directed at only you but to those who hold with your quoted statement.)

If you find yourself unable to be happy because your neighbor has the same car as you… well I’m not sure I can help you.

Yes. I would feel less happy if my neighbour or everone else would have the same car, Bentley for instance. This care is so awesome because only small portion of people have them. I wouldnt care about this care if everyone would have it. I buy it to show off.

Why you think that rich people are buying most expensive and sometimes useless things (diamand phone), cloths, cars, houses, etc? They are doing it because they can and they want to prove everyone that they have money for it.

After I buy my cultral tier 3 armor, craft my legendary .. I want everybody know that I worked kitten hard for it and how much gold and time Ive spend.

You think I would go for cultural tier 3 or craft my legendary if everyone would have it? kitten no .. why would I … I would go for the most rare weapon that no one else has.

For instance, I wanted greatsword from AC, but after my mates went for that one too I just went for different one.

I want legendary weapon because not everyone can afford it

Erasculio.2914:

Joseph Skyrim.2470:

Erasculio.2914:

I don’t think anything more needs to be said about how grind is bad for the game. It’s sad that the influence of PtP MMOs has created this kind of mentality. All ArenaNet can do is prevent players from hurting themselves, which requires a drastic reduction of the importance of grind in the game.

Can’t really out-grind a player driven economy but ANet can lower the costs for controlled things like dungeon armor tokens, waypoint travel and the like. Here’s a good example:

Not Grind:
If you’ve run every single path of a dungeon once you should have enough to get the full armor and a weapon or two from its tokens. If you want every single weapon as well, ok maybe you have to do all the paths once again.

Grind:
You’ve run every single dungeon path already? That’s nice. Do it 30+ more times and maybe you can afford the full armor and a weapon or two.

I agree. Avoiding content repetition and favoring content completition would be better for the game and healthier for its players.

I enjoy doing dungeons over and over again. If I like the skin I am willing to farm for it Its my own choice, no one is forcing me to do it. Its only SKIN

BUT I want this skin to worth something, to be unique, rare. If anyone could could easyly get it, It would worth nothing. I would just destroy it.

Joseph Skyrim.2470:

Erasculio.2914:

I don’t think anything more needs to be said about how grind is bad for the game. It’s sad that the influence of PtP MMOs has created this kind of mentality. All ArenaNet can do is prevent players from hurting themselves, which requires a drastic reduction of the importance of grind in the game.

Can’t really out-grind a player driven economy but ANet can lower the costs for controlled things like dungeon armor tokens, waypoint travel and the like. Here’s a good example:

Not Grind:
If you’ve run every single path of a dungeon once you should have enough to get the full armor and a weapon or two from its tokens. If you want every single weapon as well, ok maybe you have to do all the paths once again.

Grind:
You’ve run every single dungeon path already? That’s nice. Do it 30+ more times and maybe you can afford the full armor and a weapon or two.

THIS WOULD kill the game in a month.
I would have already 5x full set of Arah, 10x full set of AC, COF, CM ..

Do you know how long it takes for arenanet to create one dungeon path? Days.
If they give you full set by running this dungeon once, it would be total waste of their money spent!

How fast do you think player would get bored cause they already have full gear after a day ? Few weeks and they would have fully dungeon geary alts also.

They would need to make milions to create content this fast …

Just think about this a little bit please.

Why you think single player games have difficulties? Why you think Diablo 3 has normal, nightmare, hell, inferno difficulties? Etc, Etc …

Anet promised no grind in order to be pair with everyone else and they promised this. You can obtain exotic gear in few days only.

The rest like Dungeon gear, rare exotics, legendary weapons are only skins and you wont gain any advantage. These thins require bigger effort to gain. Thats obvious.

ANET NEVER said you wont need to farm/put effort to achive the best looking things ingame.
They never said they will give your everything for free, did they???

Erasculio.2914:

Dogblaster.6713:

Erasculio.2914:

Dogblaster.6713:

So he wont just achieve legendary in 3 months, so he wont buy cultural armor tier 3 in a week, unless he plays like me, for 10+ hours a day.

ArenaNet mentioned recently how they have not had too many reports about people having health issues due to playing the game too much. Clearly, that’s because the game has been released only 4 months ago. If people think it’s not only healthy, but also a good thing, to play the game 10 hours a day each day… You know the game has some serious issues.

ArenaNet, please save people from themselves – reduce the amount of grind in the game.

Thats totally normal. Dont know whats wrong about it.

I don’t think anything more needs to be said about how grind is bad for the game. It’s sad that the influence of PtP MMOs has created this kind of mentality. All ArenaNet can do is prevent players from hurting themselves, which requires a drastic reduction of the importance of grind in the game.

PLAYING 10+ hours a day doesnt mean grinding !!!

I am usually doing dungeons, some wvw, spvp and some farming in orr.

On other hand, Farming is big part of MMORPGs.

Grinding is when you farm same area, same mob all over again

No one can stop me to play 20 hours a day if I wanted to … Its like no one can stop you from working as many jobs as you want. Watching as many movies per day as you want. Etc.

The second they remove farming – I am out.
The second they give everyone everything for free – I am out.

Simple But I think this never happens

alcopaul.2156:

Sneaks.2071:

I agree with your point. I’m uncomfortable with the idea of everyone easily being able to get the best thing out there. It defeats the purpose of wanting and working to obtain specific items.

why would i want to work in the game? I just want to play the game and get rewarded while playing the game. meaning and i want to enjoy the game and get happier when i get the reward.

Not working for it coz working gives me a picture of like killing 10000 mobs and getting 2 vials of powerful blood. so i have to like kill 10000 mobs 125 times to get 250 powerful bloods more. next task, killing 20000 mobs to get 5 ectos. etc etc.

You want simply to enjoy the game but your talking about legendary like if it was the only enjoyable thing, there are another weapons and things to do which requires almost no effort.

Legendary weapons are for the most dedicated players, so they have things to work for. How can you dont understand this?

IF you are playing Guild Wars 2 only to craft Legendary and thats all I dont think anyone can help you on this one. This is not what Arenanet wants

Legendary weapons are not for those who simply wants to ‘’enjoy the game’’ they are for serious gamers. My girlfriend is one of these enjoying the game, she dont even have full exotic gear and she dont even care about legendary because she know thats for the most dedicated and serious players.

Erasculio.2914:

Dogblaster.6713:

So he wont just achieve legendary in 3 months, so he wont buy cultural armor tier 3 in a week, unless he plays like me, for 10+ hours a day.

ArenaNet mentioned recently how they have not had too many reports about people having health issues due to playing the game too much. Clearly, that’s because the game has been released only 4 months ago. If people think it’s not only healthy, but also a good thing, to play the game 10 hours a day each day… You know the game has some serious issues.

ArenaNet, please save people from themselves – reduce the amount of grind in the game.

Where did I say its healthy to play 10+ hours a day? I said thats the way to achive things faster than they are supposed to. So that means you should not do that, its only your choice to sacrifice real life, etc.

Sadly I am unpatient player who wants his shiny faster! Its my own fault but I dont complain about it, I choose to be like this. Arenanet is NOT forcing me to.

You can see this in every game. In single players game players can just play the game 20 hours straight and finish the whole campaign in a day. In mmorpgs players can just farm all day to gain golds faster and buy those shinies quicker than it is supposed to take.

Thats totally normal.

BUT you CANT just demand free golds/money so you can buy things quicker, when they should take loong. If you want faster shinyes, you need to work for it.

Hello guys here we go

Yes, I wanted to say that there will NEVER be enought gold guys.

There is no reason to complain about shortage of golds, how hard is to farm enought gold, etc. Because even if they gave everyone 100g per week for free, some people would still demand MORE so they can buy shiny things even faster than it should take.

Example:
In real life .. For avarage person it would take many yeeeeeas, even a life time to afford a Bentley, for instance so thats why you have avarage cars with reasonable prices which almost everyone can afford.
People cant complain that they have not enought money to buy Bentley. Because Bentley is only for small portion of people in the world.
Also you have cars like Mercedes, BMW, Audi and those takes also kitten a lot of money to buy

Same goes ingame

There are regular exotics – everyone can easyly get them
There are named, rare exotics – nice skin which take some effort to gain
There are ascended items – require even bigger effort to put in
There are Lgendary weapons – only the most dedicated players achieve these because they are like Bentley

I think Arenanet has plan for everything, even for how long it should avarage player to buy something. So he wont just achieve legendary in 3 months, so he wont buy cultural armor tier 3 in a week, unless he choose to play for 10+ hours a day like me.

Maybe Arenanet wants you to play the game for ‘’##’’ hours before you can buy specific item. Something should take weeeks, something years.

I dont know how anyone can be mad that everything is beeing too expensive. Maybe only unpatient players that wants to achieve goals quicker (now) than it is supposed to take. And that is not Arenanets fault Only his !!

just some of my thoughts

Cya guys and dont rage on me too hard

alcopaul.2156:

@Dogblaster.6713

my relationship with guildwars 2 is like marriage. i bonded with the gw franchise since 2005 and i’ve never played any games but guild wars, played diablo 3 briefly while waiting for gw2 release and gw2 was released. i was happy. i played spvp purely for the first months and decided to level 1 character to 80. then i found the pve great and stopped spvp . i didn’t mind that people were getting legendaries within 1 month, playing at my own pace because i know that i can get maxed within a shorttime and do wvwvw or go back to spvp again. or i could just raise my numbers (gold, mats up) and level alts, or explore tyria. i was not worried about getting outdated.

i was “happily married and secure” till my wife, the game, started to “go to Las Vegas and gamble.” now it’s still ok, i still play it but im projecting that if “she doesn’t stop going to Las Vegas and camping near the slot machine”, i might get bankrupt.

The reason that i’m sticking is that i have no choice but to play the game and to help it stir to what i think is the right direction. it has a sentimental value to me. i know things change but i have to remind the devs why change is not always the solution. do you know why vintage cars cost more than the latest car? do you know why antiques sell more? do you know why we still keep the values like word of honor and integrity highly?

i love the game. i want the game to be good and high quality. that’s why i state my complaints which i can wrap as suggestions. and im glad that im not alone.

man I get you And i like your post here.

I dont want guild wars 2 to change either. I never complained at forums. I dont care about ascended at all and I am not mad about it. I was pretty happy with the game before the lost shores and I am pretty happy now

I just believe arenanet will do good decisions I dont want vertical progression , even when I know I would be one among the first players who would achive that gear but I dont want it.

I play guild wars 2 for the skins only. I am farming legendary for 3 months now 10 hours a day and I love it! I am doing dungeons, farming cursed shore, wvw and I am doing that only for the skin.

I never felt any shortage on the gold. I always had enought of them, not fortune, but enought.

Nope .. I am having a lot of fun. Finishing legendary atm Should be done tomorrow.

Guild Wars 2 is one of the best mmorpg i have played in past 9 years.

Judas.5432:

Calsifer.6079:

I have no intention of ditching the idea of Tier 3 cultural armor but I feel that the prices, as they stand, are unreasonable for a game which claims to have done away with the grind

I think you are misinterpreting what “do away with the grind” means. That doesn’t mean everyone has easy access to everything the game has to offer; that a casual player can walk around with a Legendary or T3 Cultural Armor without grinding for it. Not at all.

What it means is he doesn’t have to. In most games, you have to participate in the grind in order to be competitive. If you enter Battlegrounds in WoW in gear that was top of the line circa the last expansion, you will be unable to even damage many of your enemies. WoW and many other MMOGs require you chase that carrot in order to keep your character viable.

All T3 Cultural Armor represents is a skin. It’s a TF2 hat. It’s a fancy dye. You don’t need it and there is certainly no requirement to grind for it unless you simply want it.

“No Grind” != “I can get everything I want”

…..and I certainly would want that to be the case as everyone would be running around with dual Legendaries by now if it were.

Exactly … +1

Cultural armor tier 3, Legendary weapons .. they are only skins, they are optional and if you want them you have to put some effort into it BUT you dont gain any kind of advantage.

Cultural armor 3 is expensive because It should be one of the most rare, prestigue and unique armor skin In-game.
If it costed 30g (which I can make in 2 days easyly) everyone would have them in a week of playing. EVERYONE. Whats unique about that? Nothing .. I wouldnt even borther wearing that …

The second everyone obtain cultural armor tier 3, it becomes cheap, not rare at all.

Mirta.5029:

alcopaul.2156:

you sure about that? because simple prediction methods will lead you to thinking that they will add legendary armors and trinkets to make them compatible with the weapons.

all orange -> all pink -> all violet?

don’t go for all pink, unless you’re doing dungeons only. Ascended can’t have upgrades and exotics with full upgrades are indeed better on stats.

Now to the topic – don’t farm gold. The game was not intended for farming, hence DR – every hour change your location if you want to actually farm, otherwise run dungeons, play WvW or do dragon events.

Exactly .. Arenanet dont want you to farm. If you do farm, its only your choice.

Legendary weapons are long term goal = year of playing

Ascended gear is mid term goal = months of playing

This is how it is supposed to be. If you want it faster and are not patient, you have to farm. Your choice and not supported by arenanet.

alcopaul.2156:

i mean you trust a.net? one day they said this and the other day they said that. you’re oblivious to this, right?

You cant backup your statement only based on guessing and not believing Arenanet.

Yes I believe Arenanet. They made awesome game before and they are making awesome game now, Guild Wars 2.

I know a lot of players rage becaue ascended gear, I also raged. But I have no reason anymore. Arenanet knows what they are doing and they clearly said they didnt want to add vertical progression tru ascended gear. So ye I believe them.

It still a game. Even if they do something they said they wont, you can simply click on ESC → Exit to desktop and play something else

Myself want to try Elder scrolls only how its turns out.. But ye Guild Wars 2 is one of the best mmorpg I have ever played for the past 9 years

alcopaul.2156:

you sure about that? because simple prediction methods will lead you to thinking that they will add legendary armors and trinkets to make them compatible with the weapons.

I am sure about that go read it once more

also they said Legendary weapons are always going to be on pair with best weapons ingame = now exotics, soon ascended weapons.. So even if they did add legendary armor(I dont think they will) in future, it will be same stat wise as ascended armor

Legendary weapons are only and only about skins. They have THE SAME stats as exotics and they will have exactly the same stats as ascended weapons. Btw Why would ANYONE EVER craft legendary acessories with same stats as ascended when you only see the icon ?

alcopaul.2156:

there will be the final Legendary tier.

Ascended is supposed “to bridge the gap between Exotics and Legendary”? Remember?

maaaaan .. they ment TIME GAP

Ascended gear is supposed to fill the big TIME gap between easy and fast obtainable exotics and long tearm goal – legendary weapons.

There are not going to be legendary tier

alcopaul.2156:

Dogblaster, they will add the rest of ascended gear and to top that, they will add the legendary tier which you say that the casual players don’t deserve.

You know how much crafting a crappy ascended infused back piece? 250+ ectos and t6 mats? if you dont want the mats, do you know how many runs do you have to do to get an infused prototype capacitor? zillion runs and 250 ectos. How about the rings? anecdotal, i’ve run many dailies and i only got 1 ring. and i cannot progress so i am gated at level 20s and i only have +5 resistance overall.

This is just the three items.

Check how much in TP the items.

How about the rest?

And the legendary tier?

i’m not even a casual player. i bought gems in bltc (not a problem).

but i look below me and i imagine how kittened up and frustrating the situation is.

Legendary tier? What ?

About ascended gear, they are going to neft the mats required for it. They already said that.

laokoko.7403:

Dogblaster.6713:

Masaki.2153:

I will venture to say that it will get worse. They want you in the cash shop.

The less you can make ingame, the more likely you will open your wallet.

This is not right at all …

Money you can make ingame are more than enought. I can make 10-20g a day just by running dungeons, doing wvw and cursed shore.

Everyone who is saying this just probably wants things for free.

Back to your original topic. You said casual players should get items 10 times slower than hardcore.

That’s true. That is because casual players play 10 times less. But now you the so called hardcore player are having much easier time than casual because you can make much more gold in shorter time by doing dungeons casual players can’t do. That’s the problem.

Why are casual players spending more time and make less gold than hardcore player?

The OP want to nerf dungeon on par since casual players have a hard time find group for dungeon. They log on try to play 1 hour or 2 and spend most of those time looking for group.

I find every dungeon easy even for casuals. Look AC for instance … Whoever can do this dungeon without effort

And casuals can defintely do all 3 paths in 2 hours HC can do them in 1 hours tho ..
Ofcourse experienced can do those dungeons fasters, they know what to do ..

But I wont argue with you here everyone has his own oppinion and I am not saying your is wrong and mine is right. Let Arenanet decide, they have all those tools to mesure everything. They already did neft Arah path 3 farm and I am glad they did.

I am definitely sure if they see too big difference between dungeon rewards and the open world one, they will change it just be patient

alcopaul.2156:

before november 15, 2012, these “casual” players have a realistic timetable to get the best items in game. Moreover, these “casual” players don’t have to get a legendary because they can just get a power/vitality/toughness pearl weapon and it functions the same as horizontal weapon.

A.NET announced vertical progression and this kittens suddenly blowing their horns and feeling superior. Probably WoW or Korean grade MMO players.

See A.NET? This is what you’ve done.

As Arenanet stated, ascended will be avalible tru wvw, dungeons, drops, etc.

They will do everything so even a casual can obtain ascended gear just by simple playing the game. So your statements are just wrong. By adding 3 items to the game they didnt add vertical progression :-*

I have 5x ascended ring and tbh, I dont feel superior at all. I use only one anyways and the rest is in the bank untill they becomes salvageable.

Masaki.2153:

I will venture to say that it will get worse. They want you in the cash shop.

The less you can make ingame, the more likely you will open your wallet.

This is not right at all …

Money you can make ingame are more than enought. I can make 10-20g a day just by running dungeons, doing wvw and cursed shore.

Everyone who is saying this just probably wants things for free.

TsukasaHiiragi.9730:

Its not even about Legendarys, look at the price of Ascended items ~ during the AMA anet stated they didn’t like the method of having 250 of ectos/T6 mats for instance, but what do you think they’ll do? Even lower the cost by 50% 125 ectos is still out of reach for alot of casual players, not in any respectable time frame.

As I see Guild Wars 2 right now, you’re looking at a rate of decay for players who are burning out from the gear progression.

Super Casual —-—- Casual —-—- Core Casual —-—- Core —-—- Semi Hardcore —-— Hardcore

In any given MMo that is starting to fail, you’ll see drop offs in the first 3 sub-groups of players, where as HC players usually quit the game last, this is due to various reasons such as being Fanbois etc etc – Alot of MMos can still exist for extended periods with the latter 2 sub groups of players, look at games like SWG for instance.

The problem is the way Guild Wars 2 is created it requires a large amount of players across the board, otherwise the game essentially starts to shut down – Look at Orr as the prime example here, also look at WvWvW. We are witnessing the very first signs of impending Death of the game unless some major changes are made, the balance of the game needs to be top priority right now, the Casual Vs Hardcore issue needs to be resolved and in GW2, it needs to be done on a level playing field, if that means giving Casual players 50g a week for free, then it has to be done – If that means, giving them welfare ascended items, then it has to be done.

Why would even casual player wanted ascended gear? Backpack?

These are needed for high difficulty fractals and whoever wants to go there wont mind farming for it anways.

Giving casual players 50g a week for free ? okey let me buy 5 more accounts so I receive 250 gold per week for free Nice. I am up for that

Casual players should know that when they are casuals they will achieve things 10x slower than avarage or HC player.

No one is forcing you to farm for legendary .. ever

You can simply play the game and have it in a year. If you farm its only because you choose to and your are not patient.

@Tolmos … Arenanet stated that Ascended gear will be availible from dungeons, wvw, drops, etc.

So it will still be 100 easyer to obtain ascended weapon than legendary Ascended weapons has nothing to do with legendary weapons and everyone who is doing legedary is doing it for skin, not stats.

Legendary weapons wont have infusion slot (main reason why you want ascended gear)

So yeea … It still remains still optional :-*

Bluestone.7106:

Dogblaster.6713:

alcopaul.2156:

i don’t know the hard core players man. must be a tiny minority. coz even student gamers have to spend time in school, gamers with jobs spend most of their time in their jobs, housewive gamers have to take care of the house the garden and kids, or even jobless gamers have to spend time finding jobs.

i don’t know the hardcore demographics. please kindly tell me, dogblaster.

the only hardcore people players that i know are those botters who have to earn gold 25/8.

No .. HC player is someone who takes game really seriously. Player that plays 8+ hours a day instead of 3 hours that casuals play (made up numbers).

For instance I have 1200 hours played almost. So I call myself HC player.

I personally use the labels Hardcore and Casual against someones attitude towards the game and hours have no bearing on it in my opinion.

Well I think someone who plays 10 hours day takes game more seriously than someone who plays 2 hour a day. Doesnt matter if he has 5 childrens, 2 works, etc.
The one who spends more time ingame ’’usually’’ takes it also more seriously.

I just dont understand why its problem to have some things for HC players and some for Casuals? Did you seriously think that there will be nothing aimed for hardcore players?

This is mmorpg after all. I bet even Hello kitty online had something for hc players