Stealth by itself is not over powered (see Mesmer). It is the combination of many things that makes a Thief such an annoying package.
- Initiative: on-demand damage/utility; more forgiving than a standard cool down if you ask me
- Multiple access/refreshment of stealth
- Fast attack animation/cast time
Why are you talking about 1v1 duels? Like people have stated many times (included OP), Thieves can almost disregard defence, and indirectly force other professions to gear/trait defensively. Why? Because of the aforementioned convenience tied with stealth. OP is saying that Thieves have free reign in small skirmishes in the open field. They have a get-out-of-jail card that is arguably more valuable than any boons.
(See how spewing the same kitten works wonder? Last word is important yo)
a mesmer cant spam stealth. their longest stealth is mass invisibility and thats an elite. i got more respect for mesmers than these d/p thieves.
Your definition of “spam” may vary.
A Mesmer still got ~30s of stealth every minute if he trait it.
Considering a fight is often over quicker than that, then yes I would call it spamming.
30 sec of stealth? lol. what are you talking about? a mesmer can only have 6 sec of stealth once they traited for prismatic undertanding and thats from 5 sec to 6 sec. they can only get that by using Mass Invisibility which is an elite skill and has a 90 sec cd. a thief can stealth for 14 sec using shadow refuge that has a 60 sec cd.
Dude, iMage is such a great threat! That Phantasm deals MASSIVE DAMAGE
Just cast it and watch the AI wreck everything! XD
The convenience to engage-disengage + spammability + everything else tied up with stealth (condition removal, hp regen, initiative regen, speed increase, backstab damage) all together adds up to a broken mechanic.
The effort-reward scale is tilted and off-balance.
You will never convince thieves who want it easy. Some of us thieves appreciate a challenge and don’t rely on perma stealth. I suggest that those of you who think perma stealth and stealthing while in combat is badly broken continue to send respectful but firm and frequent feedback to anet. When other games come out and threaten this one, they will have no choice but to take action.
I can’t wait because thieves will never get other things fixed while we are the most op class in wvw.
To whom do I send a respectful feedback? Got a link?
In a game called Dota 2, there is a hero that has the ability to generate clones by using melee auto attacks. Of course, this effect only procs x% of the time.
What if Mesmers can use a dagger (single target, no cleave) that can create clones using the 1 skill?
Why build around stealth in the first place? It’s a lazy and flawed design. Just because it is seemingly the only build, doesn’t mean it is automatically fair and balanced.
Yes, by all means tweak other Thief traits/skills, but I bet most would still go for the path of least resistance and play a stealth mode. Therefore, stealth needs to be looked at amongst other potential builds.
How is it being abused? Stealth is what the thief is built around. It is their best source of damage, damage mitigation, healing, condition removal, etc.
This whole thread would be like if thieves were complaining that rangers used pets. Instead of calling for nerfs to other classes why don’t you try to get yours buffed so it is viable for something other than roaming. Maybe ask to get the broken pet ai fixed, or at least give you better control over them. Hell GW1 gave you better pet control.
How does OP (or anyone else) propose to change stealth-spam? How would you change other aspects of Thieves? You must address both points because Thieves will just QQ and derail the topic again with, “zomg, stealth is all we have!”
There is no discussion because every time someone speaks of changing stealth, certain people assume it will be all nerf but no buff. The victim card will be dealt, and blah blah blah blah
This one teaches us how to kill someone by avoiding damage, good one too!
The amount of ignorance in this thread is to much high and makes me sick! I’m outta here.
I don’t think that kitten have any experience with thief at all. He keeps on saying the same kitten all over again, while using the information that other people reply to him to improve his whining. I’m out of here too, thread full of kittens.
^True Thieves; backing out of confrontation. Watch them come out of hiding later to “+1” a pro-thief wall ’o text on nothing.
It always gets a laugh out of me when people do this after big groups kill me. Then I keep an eye out for the people who did it, and kill them if I can catch them 1v1. /shrug and let them bleed out of down state and go on my way.
No no, you gotta invite them to party and give them a piece of your mind!
Conditions are only powerful against you when you don’t bother to invest in mitigating them. Invest in toughness, vitality and/or healing gear to mitigate direct damage, invest with your traits and skills to mitigate condition damage. Ignore either at your own peril.
You fight them in exactly the same way you fight a perma-stealth thief.
except thief can’t kill you while being stealth, he leaves stealth upon attack…mesmer clones on other hand keep attacking you while mesmer can keep stealth
That’s fair because it’s not like the clones will spike 1/4 to 1/2 of your HP pool in 1 hit.
You fight them in exactly the same way you fight a perma-stealth thief.
Except mesmers can deal tons of damage while hiding in stealth. Thieves have to reveal themselves, but a mesmer can have the clones up dealing damage the whole time they are hiding.
). It is the combination of many things that makes a Thief such an annoying package.