Guild Wars 2

Troma.3250:

You know its directly linked. A part of SFR guilds leaved because they were a guild based serv and the free transfert was a problem in their orga yep. We admit it. But the second reason is not me and my work on VS, the second reason only belong to their choices, your choices, your own acts, the way you treated new players and your decisions to stop instead of keeping fighting even if things are difficult. Thats the difference between some of you and us.

Wrong point of view.
Imagine Viz got 20 guilds, 20-30 each, not willing to coorperate with eachother or play for points. They fill your borderlands every day that the pugs willing to coorperate with a commander can’t get in in relevant numbers.
THAT situation would be equivalent to what happend to SFR with free transfer pugs.
SFR: Guild based server got kittentons of pugs
Viz: Pug based server gets kittentons of guilds
You are comparing Viz getting more pugs vs more pugs to SFR, which isn’t the same contraproductive aspect to the way a server was build.

Exactly Genev,

coming up with that idea and the poll among Viz is just ridicolous after everyone interested in GvG in T1 left.
Viz focused on WvW and still lost by a large amount. Coverage >>> every effort a server can put into a matchup. Rereading what Troma wrote makes it even more of a troll attempt.

It’s not all day, it’s rare, it wont have any impact on score.

Another sour aspect, timing, Viz is winning by a large margin. Prolly bored all day as there’s no opposition, “Hey lets have some gvg to keep our focus high”.
SFR is in a desolate state and now you want to give them a tool to gvg whereas you didn’t want to gvg when Viz was in bad shape.

Since feedback was asked. Add an option to make a gvg private. Both GMs/officers have to mark a field, if both sides mark it, it’s hidden.

Saint Scarlet.2906:

Well you guys are more fun to play than RS so we’ll try and keep you here rather than swap you with them. Although if AG start to get close we might have to swap you then, haven’t fought them before and we’d like a crack at some ex-piken guilds on there.

Nice attitude.

Leorcyn.1063:

Next time you’ll be whining about guilds that don’t want to play GvG against you, you’ll have to ask yourself if you did all that was needed to support the idea.

We were trying to get GvGs going. Every day of the week. (= A)

Leorcyn.1063:

What were you doing during this time ? You had time and clearly no interest in the week-long matchups …

We were busy doing (A) and winning the week-long matchups while doing (A). While your pugs fled from SFR coverage (the losing side always lacks pugs, same happened to Deso, SFR, BT w/e as well) giving other guilds the opportunity to gvg since they can’t change teh outcome of the week anyways.

Leorcyn.1063:

Empyre.2531:

As I said I like the idea of organising gvg, but wow.. the moment.

Get over you friggin ego.
Who, the hell, do you think you are ?
You mighty RG should have thought of this long before (because you are the superior guild regarding GvG), but you were too busy counting your kills ?

Troma has been bashed, mudslapped, insulted every page of this topic, yet he gives again.
He’s been giving to VS for 8 months, and he created something awesome (you’re opinion on that is absolutely irrelevant).
He comes back with something else for everyone, this is purely selfless, goes in the direction the major actors of the not-so-competitive PvP in this game and you come here to vomit your bile.
Just because he is from VS.

Get over yourself and your tiny mind, guilds are as important on VS as they are on any other server, people like to play the good fights like any other server and even if they don’t : WHY DOES IT MATTER ?
Troma proposes an idea, a tool.
It’s good, it’s not good, lets debate about it. Do not jump in this topic with your hatred of the server or even the man.

I for one think we shouldn’t have to do this, and it is going to be far from optimal, but whatever pushes Anet to move a hair on the subject is good to take.

a) You mad.
b) Doing a public announcement of a gvg is fail for reasons. Others interefering on purpose. Ppl will find the zone regardless if you stream only. Less ppl around, more fps for everyone, less mixing up “you had pugs helping you” etc…
c) Reread all my posts on this gvg tool again. I said I like the idea of gvg or even the tool, where you can face-to-face arrange gvg with another GM in privacy. See b) why you don’t want it to be known open hours or days before the happening.
d) I don’t understand your anger. I haven’t spilled any bile. The posts wouldn’t be here anymore if I was. I would do to show you how it looks like but I got too many infractions from German part of forums already.
e) Why would RG promote or develop such a tool if b)?
f) Props for digging so deep into…. Can you see the light?
g) You didn’t get my point about timing. It could have been done since release, as GvG doesn’t interfere with the WvW matchup result, even Troma said it, but yet people come up with it as they feel bored in their old way of playing the game (organised guild blobbing).
As Troma the politician knows it’s about what you say, but it’s even more about when you say it.

Troma.3250:

It’s not all day, it’s rare, it wont have any impact on score

All I needed to read. Thanks. Makes the anti-gvg comments from Viz since launch…

Troma.3250:

Now, if you think it’s not the moment ok, fine. Lets us go back at infinite loop of coverage, blobs, running in castle… for months…

Was fun for at least some servers so far. Maybe they come back to their senses now.

Troma.3250:

Empyre =)

Read what i wrote earlier: do you imagine me saying “ok guys, situation is very hot, no commanders, burnout everywhere, SFR play well, let’s us stop everything, admit defeat and start GvG”

No ! just no. It would be totally idiot it’s not the Vizunah mentality, nonsense. In life, you must prioritize. One thing after another. Same answer Danielle, as a leader you just can’t ask people to think about GvG when WvW situation is dark as hell.

Stop – mixing – everything. Really.

What you do now is
“ok we roflstomp them with our coverage, let’s support gvg”
That is disrespecting your enemy (“they can’t beat us even when we waste spots in zone gvg-ing”), disrespecting your people that still want to wvw and not true to your ideals.
You had no commanders, no queues, burn out among the pugs (and other ppl as well, but only talking pugs now as they are the blood of Viz). Perfect enviroment for wvw.

As I said I like the idea of organising gvg, but wow.. the moment.

Kingface.9781:

Empyre.2531:

You have to give him the benefit of doubt.
It all of a sudden pops up now that the organised Viz guilds are bored. They could as well have done it 1-2 months ago when they got assraped by SFR. Viz could have played out of their skins, they’d still have lost every single of those 5 matches. It doesn’t matter how much they play or how well they organise their pugs if the other server has better coverage.

But it seems a general trend atm that guilds try to get their identities back after spitting on them since release. Good direction it’s going.

You all are the ones obsessed by Viz. Nobody talked about how Viz guilds are bored right now, we are talking about an interesting idea for the GvG for the GW2 community.

Omg, what do you want? So much whines about the fact there is no GvG for months and now someone is working on something to make the GvG much more structured an possible easily, you keep whining/bashing because it comes from someone from Viz?

Grow up?

The coincidence. A certain coming together of events and all of a sudden the leader from the server that was against and even tried to sabotage (the server tried, before ppl twisting my words) it is thinking of developing a tool for gvg. You have to understand my astonishment.

You have to give him the benefit of doubt.
It all of a sudden pops up now that the organised Viz guilds are bored. They could as well have done it 1-2 months ago when they got assraped by SFR. Viz could have played out of their skins, they’d still have lost every single of those 5 matches. It doesn’t matter how much they play or how well they organise their pugs if the other server has better coverage. Those 5 weeks could have easily been used to GvG.

But it seems a general trend atm that guilds try to get their identities back after spitting on them since release. Good direction it’s going.

The burn out from playing for the points, for the meaningless victory. It’s not like I said play for your guild and the fun from day 1 and was called a kitten or loser for that. Now everyone is saying it, gg guys.
Of course this can’t apply for Viz, they get fresh blood from pugs every day. One is bored, there is another one desperate to play (successful if there’s a commander around) after being in queue for 2-4h.

Shifty.4985:

Why does SFR have to bring their whole border to come fight us.

Your comment made me giggle a bit after IRON blobbed us every single day we were in the same bl playing for the “win”. gg

Jon Snow.6780:

siniaq.5628:

How long you RG guys intend to stay on AR?

Until either BB or PS or both at the same time form a massive blob and constantly hunt them down,maphop when they maphop…and keep them running.
They go where the bags are,farmingguild as they are.
Turn things around,farm them!
They`ll be sick of it within a week.
Farm or be farmed,that`s the question,the above is your answer.

I don’t know what server you are on so, but I guess since it’s mostly PS guys kitten here in this thread.
Go ahead. Form a blobb to kill us, throw all your principles and morale over board, everything of your “we don’t blobb”. It’s a great gesture of respect, thanks.

Viz dominating (your comeback would have been sweeter 5 weeks ago, but you can’t force PUs to play wvw when losing, when winning they come automatically) the week and suddenly everyone is against blobbing and playing only for the fun. I lol’d irl, really.

Let’s see how this will turn out

Leorcyn.1063:

Empyre.2531:

Did Viz win any week when BT or SFR (just listing those 2 because I was eyewitness) were strong? Now think about it.

You don’t understand the point. Viz is based on pugs, when pugs leave or can’t join the zones, they have more pugs to fill in. SFR is based on small/med sized guilds that work together, to make an equivalent to Viz’s situation last weeks, SFR must have gotten more small/med sized guilds, but instead pugs were given to a structure that was formed since day 1 and is based on the exact opposite of Viz. Think about that as well. I’m simply explaining and not whining why +1000% pugs doesn’t work on SFR while it works for Viz. And at last think about it, maybe SFR doesn’t want to become another Viz?

We perfectly understand your point.
However, you, do not understand the basics : we’re all given the same tools, you decided not to use them, please do not blame Anet for your mistakes.
That’s it.
Man up and own your way of doing things.
Accept that this is a fail in terms of competitive WvW on the long run. (and this last sentence is here so you can tell us for the thousandth time that you don’t play the same game)

And yes, if you want to be objective, VS won against SFR or BT at full force. VS lost more than VS won, but it never crumbled (not saying SFR is crumbling down, the score is quite tight considering what is happening).

SFR used the tools and it worked perfectly fine. Then ANet opened the doors of free transfers which kittened over the existing structures. I’m repeating myself as you are repeating yourself.
Competitive wvw? We are really playing different games. This game works solely based on coverage. Good job organising your pugs, but your pugs are winning this game for you in offpeak hours, just like SFR or BT have won in those times.
Maybe you can link the weeks for me when BT was actually in full power under Maks’ morning cap and Viz won? Same for when you beat the current SFR before guilds decided to step down a bit after transfer?

CorliCorso.6254:

Empyre.2531:

Xispeo.1706:

All right, so if SFR is not winning this week’s match this is ANet fault…. oO

Yes, because of how the server works. It’s wvw focused guilds that interact with eachother. There were hardly any “useless” pugs, those that weren’t in the main zerg were doing scouting, camp flipping etc.
Now add +2h on the queues we had before, guilds can’t get their raids in anymore. The basis on how the server operated was ripped apart by ANet’s decision to make the #1 EU wvw server free to transfer to.

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Viz can handle pugs because of its structure, SFR’s structure isn’t meant to handle pugs. Then you flood us with them. Result known.

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Another funny aspect I found reading through posts here. “Vizunah is on fire”, ye you are on fire when the other server is weak, when a strong opponent arises you are in hibernation or close to falling over (Troma’s call to arms after commanders quit due to not winning anymore/ “burn out”).

Yes, SFR got blindsided by the influx of free transfers. We get that. We got it fifty pages ago and we got it every single page since. Nobody cares about what tools you’re given, only how you use them. You’re facing adversity, all we want to see is how you sort it out. Viz have pulled themselves out of their malaise this week in remarkable fashion yet all you do disparage them for it.

Did Viz win any week when BT or SFR (just listing those 2 because I was eyewitness) were strong? Now think about it.

You don’t understand the point. Viz is based on pugs, when pugs leave or can’t join the zones, they have more pugs to fill in. SFR is based on small/med sized guilds that work together, to make an equivalent to Viz’s situation last weeks, SFR must have gotten more small/med sized guilds, but instead pugs were given to a structure that was formed since day 1 and is based on the exact opposite of Viz. Think about that as well. I’m simply explaining and not whining why +1000% pugs doesn’t work on SFR while it works for Viz. And at last think about it, maybe SFR doesn’t want to become another Viz?

Xispeo.1706:

All right, so if SFR is not winning this week’s match this is ANet fault…. oO

Yes, because of how the server works. It’s wvw focused guilds that interact with eachother. There were hardly any “useless” pugs, those that weren’t in the main zerg were doing scouting, camp flipping etc.
Now add +2h on the queues we had before, guilds can’t get their raids in anymore. The basis on how the server operated was ripped apart by ANet’s decision to make the #1 EU wvw server free to transfer to.

Viz can handle pugs because of its structure, SFR’s structure isn’t meant to handle pugs. Then you flood us with them. Result known.

Another funny aspect I found reading through posts here. “Vizunah is on fire”, ye you are on fire when the other server is weak, when a strong opponent arises you are in hibernation or close to falling over (Troma’s call to arms after commanders quit due to not winning anymore/ “burn out”).

Thanks to the VOTF guys for gvg tonight. Good fights.

Nothing wrong with your english and since I’m not a native english speaker as well I’d be last to correct someone.
Since we exchanged arguments and you seem to have understood my point of splitting Viz community and Viz guilds I’ll just leave it at that.

I’m not emotional and rather stating facts. When I’m mad, I won’t come to the forums.
I don’t want or need respect for achievements in an uncompetitive game (= noone is making their or any living from it).
So Viz doesn’t blobb? Doesn’t run everyone under 1 commander tag while there’s a guild raid that is 30-40+ on their own? Please, maybe turn on the screen while playing.
I’m a loser? I don’t play for points as stated often before. I couldn’t care less about points or being green next week as long as there are good fights. Just for the sake of you bringing it up, the servers I was on won 9x T1 + 1x NA T1 and a) I give a kitten about every single one of the wins b) I would give every victory for an enemy that actually wants to fight.
Why so much response when I call Viz guilds (again, not Viz as a whole) faceless? They are, they are all Viz community like you said. Respect for the server and its achievements, just for the guilds large enough to play on their own becoming one with the blobb I got nothing but lack of understanding. On the upside, fun is different for everyone.

Leorcyn.1063:

Empyre.2531:

…and look what it made of you (Viz). A server that runs on inc if not greatly outnumbering the enemy, a server that has no identity between its guilds, …

Oh man, I hope this is a troll, because if it’s not, you just appear to be someone absolutely dellusional.
I do admit that the “outnumbering” part is your thing to sleep at night, and it has been consitant over the course of the months.

But the second part.
Man. O.o

I wish you’d be on VS to witness one of the biggest achievment of the French videogame community. I won’t extend this to the whole of video gaming, but this is by far beyond any standard of cooperation and fun I’ve ever seen.
Troma and the others have built something really admirable with solid roots.
You can say anything you want, but Grand Cross is a collection of great guilds, with a lot of identity, yet they manage to work together, to live together, to succeed together and to put their personal ambition aside for a server when needed.

Closest thing to that has to be some other “language-centric” servers such as ER, and Deso (even if small guilds tend to be overshadowed by IRON).

But the concept and depth of the structure might be hard to grasp for some.

I was eye witness to part 1 just two days ago (since we didn’t play yday). It was the same for the whole time I’m on SFR, was the same on BT before. Viz running from every encounter. No face on fight whole evening.
Part 2 is ofc not a trolling. From an outside view, you are all Viz (if that is what you want to achieve, done), no guild I will remember in the next game. All the same color if you want to say. The Viz guilds I do know, all based on past achievements (e.g. stripped world first gr40 in WHO) in other games, in GW2 I recognise them for wearing the commander icon, 100g is the achievement.
No ambitions to achieve something on their own, no will to fight on their own.

Tygra.4570:

DarkieDuck.9521:

Tygra.4570:

We held more than 6 months between first and second spot with free transfers.
You held 1 week.

“Best community ever”

Now now , you know that is not true.
You didnt get overflowed with a gazillion million pugs in 1 week.

We got a gazillion everyday during 6 months. Deso did too.

…and look what it made of you (Viz). A server that runs on inc if not greatly outnumbering the enemy, a server that has no identity between its guilds, a server that plays for a meaningless victory only (as there’s no way for its guilds to play together thanks to full borderlands 24/7).
Deso is on the same road, SFR probably as well since free transfers.

After GW2 people will remember Vizunah Square, no doubt. Most wins in EU T1, most stable in EU T1. Will it matter for the future? No, because all became faceless in the Vizunah blobb.

Enjoy

Witzard.6829:

Pukknub.7368:

SFR Garrison yesterday was just awful. 5-10 seconds of delay before we could use any spell other than #1.

You know, it’s the same for everyone on the map when things get laggy…

Actually that is not correct. Usually the outnumbering force has less lag (yet, they lag, but not as extreme) then the outnumbered. Which is totally not understandable and doesn’t make any sense. Just have a closer look next time you are wastly outnumbered while still running in a larger ball and the zone is still lagging. See the enemy use #2-5 and utility skills/elites while you struggle to even stay on a MA because of rubberbanding, random teleports and skills not firing for 10s.

Benjamin.7893:

Empyre.2531:

The fight we talking about was before time changes. Last reset (after time changes) sIN and RG weren’t in same zone.

http://www.twitch.tv/chemsorly/b/387068719

Also found it funny that you thought WvW would become an esport xd.

My bad on the last reset. Still not the fight we were talking about.
Reread what I said, GW2 will not go esport. How you translate that to wvw, idk.

The fight we talking about was before time changes. Last reset (after time changes) sIN and RG weren’t in same zone.

Offski.4897:

Empyre.2531:

Wolbryne.4037:

I agree. blobbing isn’t fun at all, but it’s the meta game atm and unless you follow suit, you won’t be able to compete.

I will snip the rest, because the remaining part is what I don’t understand.
Deso and Viz blob and still lose. Maybe time to change the meta (if you think blobb is the current meta)?

(disclaimer: SFR blobbs as well, no misunderstandings there)

You get most of your points off us in mornings and day time where we are usually outnumbered, but thats ok because sfr are doing it. God forbid the outcry from sfr if deso got points at these times.

That’s the real meta, get with the times. Viz won like that, Deso won like that, Blacktide won like that, etc etc.. and atm it’s SFR winning like that.
That’s why I don’t understand all the try harding in primetime. Have fun with your guild, don’t become the faceless blob.
About what you said earlier, you lost numbers. Yes, exactly because they logged after getting wiped. What came across that bridge on hills was everyone on Deso zone at that time (a queued zone), 40+spearhead and a second wave of 50-60 which flanked out of lord room.
sIN+us+those who wanted to follow sIN tag were the counter to that blobb on the bridge.

Wolbryne.4037:

I agree. blobbing isn’t fun at all, but it’s the meta game atm and unless you follow suit, you won’t be able to compete.

I will snip the rest, because the remaining part is what I don’t understand.
Deso and Viz blob and still lose. Maybe time to change the meta (if you think blobb is the current meta)?

(disclaimer: SFR blobbs as well, no misunderstandings there)

That was to counter the IRON blob and SFR won. IRON left the zone to help out other zones on that reset night relatively quick (don’t like your own medicine?). Besides how can RG+sIN+pugs be bigger then what Deso or Viz brings to the table, when you got everyone and their mother on your tail, actively asking pugs and other guilds to follow? There’s a zone cap.

RG isn’t interested in blobbing up and is actively telling pugs to get on the commanders and respect the guild raid. Just like I respect another guild’s raid, I expect this from everyone on the server. We don’t need randoms following us, basically nullifying any effort by dying, because they can’t follow our movements (they aren’t on comms, they are bad, many reasons).
I can’t deny we sometimes clash into a pug commander from SFR, because we run untagged.

Number #1 to blame is ANet.
They failed to deliver a suited engine that can handle massive fights. They failed to have a proper network enviroment. They failed with map design (they need to be 5x larger, with same amount of objectives and no waypoints as a basic fix; the middle of the map should have a mechanic like the orb which also needs perma protection to keep buffs active, maybe emphasize on small scale in that area by adding 5-10 minor objectives which need to be held).

Number #2 to blame are the players.
Mentality has changed over the years. No more fights for the fun, only for the kitten (avoiding fights I can’t win; only attacking when I get the jump and/or have superior numbers). Servers playing only for the “win”, a win without benefits (yes, you are green next week, nice), a win in an uncompetitive enviroment (GW2 will never go esports, regardless what the devs think, in it’s current state and for the foreseeable future. GW2 wvw is won based only on coverage).

Some handkerchiefs o/

Masori.3528:

Sird.4536:

Masori.3528:

Sird.4536:

Deso enjoying the little success they have had recently, how cute. VS have capped their home BL many times and SFR theirs, yet why don’t we see any screens.

And lol at the guy how says ‘come fight our pugs in open field’. I have not seen a single Deso guild roaming independently, all you do is run whole zones. Wexp is killing wvw.

Bragbragbrag

You still enjoy the game?

What exactly am I bragging about? I haven’t posted any screens or called anyone out. I’m stating what i have seen. If you want me to brag then wait a couple of days and i will havea nice video for you.

And no im not enjoying wvw atm.

The fact that you state you toke a border is bragging in the context you said it.

On the other hand getting such achivement like capping our whole borderland required a all nighter – and for us that means we have to fight people – not doors.

But people never really gave credit Deso’s succes. Bit sad imo.

Someone on TS said the other day – “They can’t beat us in prime so they bash us in the early morning till noon”.

Have a looksie on MoS side who was winning mostly in primetime before free server transfers to SFR, then come post again. Yes, ANet kittened over our primetime.

Wrex.6798:

Dunno what’s going on with SFR last few days but we’re having fun over in IRON painting it all red with our kitten allies Special shout out to Coin, best buddies EU.

//Wrex

Organised guilds couldn’t get into the bl. Up to 5h queue for some ppl. You are having fun fighting the unorganised SFR blobb, that’s like fighting Viz when no known guild is around to give them some structure.

I blame ANet for giving people the chance to transfer to the #1 EU wvw server for free.

How many you think would come if they had to pay 1000 (~22g) or 1800 gems (~50g)? (Yes, all RG members paid 1000 gems and no SFR was not T1 back then)

You compare a guild that comes with an organised raid of proper size each day (yes, sometimes we slack a day off, we still have ppl leading in bls) until late night (beyond times when the 150+ guilds have not even a fg left in wvw), respected commanders leading pugs in zones when there’s no official guild raid going (also in off-peak hours)
with the solo bandwagoners that come to SFR to not integrate, communicate or put in effort driven by only two aspects, a) be on the current #1 server b) it’s free?

You’re trying hard to make up a point when there’s none.

I’m sure the SFR community gladly welcomes (any sized) guilds trying to fit into the roster, communicating, integrating and putting in some effort. Not everyone is hardcore or can bring the same level of dedication, but to hell with the dead wood that got flooded on our coast by ANet.

Someone should have a talk with Anatolian Turk.4057 ‘s guild leader. Interesting that Good to Go guild is having that kind of player material in their ranks. Says a lot…
Maybe he can explain to him/her what kind of “business” he has to do on SFR that can’t be done on Deso (with guesting every pve aspect can be done on SFR from Deso). He even joins a borderland to do “business”. Spying! Burn the witch!

At least we can blame someone now!

Pandemic.1032:

Lot of numbers flying around. The reality is that last night Jackie turned off commader throughout the whole night to stop pugs following us. As a result most of the night, VoTF ran with an average of 25 people – which would have been higher but queue issues + between 3-6 adds varying as the night went on. Rarely this was higher, but it did occasionally happen, and sometimes another guild led raid got into the same fight as us, but again, not often.

Thats around 28-31 people. We didnt win every fight with those low numbers but had some good ones. And yes, some guilds did run away from us. I dont get why, in one particular case I think that a certain guild + friends would have beaten us despite us having just built 2 arrow carts; at the least it would have been a pretty dicey fight for both sides, but instead they legged it.

VoTF could not run with 45 players because queues stop this – most guilds are finding it difficult to get every player they have into WvW because of queues. Well that and it wasnt until around 10pm gmt we even had 45 online. A large number of whom could not get into our zone.

If certain guilds want to make excuses; thats ok. You know how many we had as culling is gone; we know how many we had to. You simply missed out on some potential great fights was all.

All guild tags and other blabblab aside. I will quote this post from my favorite tanky BW on warhammer, so finally someone bothers to reply to one of his posts. He is certainly not used to that from Warhammer alliance forums

Wuv you.

(I can also understand why ppl don’t want to fight vs 2 AC manned by leg specialist warriors.)

We run untagged and permanently telling pugs on /m to stay away and go with the actual pug commanders. You link a screenshot of Crag, which is a spawn tower and therefore everyone and their granny came.

salluks.6017:

Kingface.9781:

It’s funny to see that http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7342/noblobno.jpg

and read IRON people telling they are not a blobby guild.

The other half part is already inside with some other golems.

Thats a really good screenshot, thanks, ill get it posted on our forums :P.

oh btw, we jsut wiped RG and took SFR with our blob ..

Gtz you wiped 5 RG.

I soloed IRON 10x earlier.

ultranawak.7183:

Pandemic.1032:

Fun fights 2nite against RG. Sacrx wasnt there though yeah?

Unless it is some RG leader with the same skin, Sacrx was here tonight;

Sadly, we wasnt enought to resist against them.
I’ve just seen no more than 10 Deso tonight too on SFR map.

Good night, cu tomorrow. Have fun with doors SFR.

I can help you. 2 mins ago ~40 Deso pushed us off lowlands on SFR map.

Reading the recent posts from reset, every realm on every borderland owned the other one or two. Must have been amazing.

Troma only got 1 thing wrong. If it’s 1-5 ppl of same guild it’s not <insert guildname>.
By that logic I farmed whole GC alliance alone.

Xispeo.1706:

What’s this afternoon capping SFR is currently providing ?
We are working and/or sleeping during that time :o

Play less in morning, then you don’t have to sleep through the afternoon capping

Troma.3250:

Oh man, some SFR friends told me there is no queue, who is right so?

Btw i agree for the guild identity things. Anet must kill the zerging, put guild names on the castles too, and toggle names on, and make a guild ladder, etc. So much errors from them to keep the PvP community…

No we have queue in primetime, a lot… and with the RvR patch, it will be an horror.

I have yet to not queue since I moved to SFR. Highlight was 2.5h so far. Average is 20-30mins if I try to join on our guild raid during primetime.

Good thing with culling patch, you can see the people queueing with you

Troma.3250:

I stop you right now : i’m not a politician, so no political answer. I’m just a passionate gamer.

We have no night teams. It’s night working people/some students/some nolife (hehe yes, there is some, like in your server) and some people who play a lot. It’s the Realm versus Realm, it’s not an instance ! when will you understand that? it was the same kitten in daoc.

Anyway, you should all stop with this primetime bullkitten: the tick change and depend everyday, everytime, we have not all the same hours (hello russian primetime 3hours before us, while we eat baguette and fromage)

i explain it since 8 MONTHS now, it’s totally crazy that you cannot understand primetime mean nothings because of the different hours of all europeans.

Do you really want to know why we sometimes have to play the morning? because with all the coverage, all the goods guilds and different hours of all europe you have on SFR (i saw the list on pevepe.net before delete, very huge compared to us) we had to find something else.

Do you realise why you have almost no queue? because when we have 300+ french trying to enter in the same hour, you guys have guilds rolling and rolling in different coverage, and it’s very strong. You ask me to be honest? this is my answer.

No queue? We have up to 2h queue in the evenings.

Maybe I ate a decayed escargot today, but I don’t get it. You can have 20-30 of one guild ikittenone during prime, yet all (eg Meta, FM, WL etc.) run together with whole zone. That was my core point I made initially, which we derailed to night/morning cap discussuion. What happened to guild identity?
Additionally I read Vroum’s post which sounded like you have no queues in prime (since SFR have superior coverage according to him), why not run as a guild then? Everyone can get all guys in with a bit of effort during prime.

Troma.3250:

Sorry Empyre, i must say it’s not true.

We didn’t loose all matchups but one when enemy has same presence, check the MoS site with more attention please. SFR+PRX lost more than one time, Deso+RUIN, Elona, etc…

and with all the fights i did, specially this week versus RG groups or others (i always change maps and play with everyone) you just cannot say we always run when not outnumbering, it’s not justice at all to say that.

Don’t take it for you or your guild (i have many friends in RG, specially the frenchys in, and i like Lyric and others too) but you are kittening wrong man.

And yes, i was with 50+ people and Gwelicia FM commander versus you 2 nights ago, it was the most epic night i haver had on the game, with face to face fights versus Sacrx in the melee which gave me goosebumps. But you had in the same time many forces and mass golems for Opération Baguette #3. So you see, we are not so different

Maybe you can link me towards the weeks that Viz won a gold medal on mos site where you didn’t peak points at 5-9.

I haven’t had the chance to fight you or FM with equal numbers yet. Two days ago FM + zone (60+) were emoting 20 (+5ish pugs) of us in a tower, in result Viz didn’t take the tower and lost a keep while trying to troll us. Afterwards we caught the FM force split from Metadone and the rest of zone, they got send back to warcamp and weren’t seen alone anymore afterwards. Events like that is why I have such bad opinion of Vizunah as a server (no doubt you got nice guys and blacksheeps, everyone got them). No worries atm another server is trying to take that spot from you.

I have no problem with morning or night cap. It just gets boring if that is your only sharp weapon in your arsenal.

Zepolak.2095:

Empyre.2531:

Nice try. We never changed servers to take out Vizunah. Our first goal is always to get good fights (why you think we went to NA and t2 or lower servers with no chance of going t1?), if Viz goes down to t2 eventually that’s a nice sideeffect.

Is Sacrx anyhow related to RG ?

How exactly does 1 guild/server take out another if there’s always a threeway going on?
Many (myself and I guess also Sacrx (can’t speak for him) included) don’t like your playstyle, run when not outnumbering the enemy, pushing at hours the enemy is low (you lost all matchups but one where the enemy had same presence at morning hours), bringing everyone and their granny etc…

SFR can push for the win, but not for taking out Viz. That’s why I said it’s a nice sideeffect, but not a realistic objective in a game that is focused on pug coverage.

Vroum.2906:

Basically you are saying that every server with a better coverage have beaten us and it just make us consistent on morning ?

Trool aside, I guess that when we say we don’t have that much coverage, there’s some truth.
Because yep every server with a good coverage has a chance to beat us.
Arborstone (extra motivation), Deso@Ruin, Blacktide, Elona on holydays, SFR@Prx, SFR@Piken have shown it.

Arborstone and Elona didn’t sustained it, Blacktide coverage was out of reach.
But we won against SFR, Deso@Ruin.
And we are fighting for the win this week, which isn’t bad considering the actual coverage SFR has.
Because bôjeu or not, you guys actually have guilds running full raid on more than two primetime’s duration, guilds doing night or morning operation, and guilds having 5-10 players all day long.

You got it. Viz has yet to win versus equal or better morning/night coverage.

One thing you said about this week makes me wonder. Are you saying you don’t have queues from 18-22/23 (if that is true, why not run guild groups since there are no queues, all I heared so far was the “we have to blobb/play like we do cause of 16/7 queues”-excuse)? Or why is SFR coverage superior atm from your point of view? Wasn’t Troma running with 50+ at early hours a day ago trying to turn around the week after temporary burnout you guys had?

Faunus.3647:

Empyre.2531:

You’re consistent, but only in the morning hours.

Sure , that’s why you lost 20+ golem two nights ago. Coz we were not their. Oh wait …

Read what I wrote and understand it, then post. The other way round results in stuff like yours.

tita.6358:

Empyre.2531:

This game will be much more enjoyable if guilds get their identities back. Atm it’s just a ball of randomness.

good ! now SFR players know what RG think of them!

Yes, this is my opinion of all guilds (on all servers) that stopped trying to actively avoid balling up. Nice try to stir things up by making me a speaker of RG while I’m just a normal member. You shouldn’t have missed trolling 101 lesson.

Tygra.4570:

How many times RG did swap servers to bring Vizunah down to T2with success ?

Zero, at least you’re consistent, but in the fails.

Nice try. We never changed servers to take out Vizunah. Our first goal is always to get good fights (why you think we went to NA and t2 or lower servers with no chance of going t1?), if Viz goes down to t2 eventually that’s a nice sideeffect.

This game will be much more enjoyable if guilds get their identities back. Atm it’s just a ball of randomness.

On a sidenote: How many weeks did Viz actually win (gold medal on mos site) vs an enemy with night and morning force since release? One, week 43 ‘12. You’re consistent, but only in the morning hours.

Xispeo.1706:

Wolfheart.1938:

You are misinformed, Vizunah didn’t have a bug, EU servers had, including Seafarer’s ( I know because it denied me access for at least 1 hour). Yes we got a lot of points during that time, but unless you can prove that somehow Vizunah got affected more than Seafarer’s it’s just moot talk. GG to everyone nonetheless.

Oops, I thought that VZ was the only impacted server. Seems it unbalanced the match at some point from what I heared, no idea so if you recovered earlier than us. For my personal case, it took me 2h30 to be able to log in again.

I’m sorry your alarm clock went off at a time the log in servers were down, maybe should have set it to 5am not 7am.
Nevertheless it was a routine maintenance of the log-in servers, bltc and the game servers that prevented people from logging in and it was announced ingame prior to the actual start.

Sethanon Stormrage.6721:

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At least one of your members (not sure about all, since the “we’re only 30”-statement from yesterday) can count and that’s where the info is coming from. Spin it around so it suits you best. Everything to keep you motivated to play the game.

(Funny enough 30 is the exact value at which allied culling is meant to start. So I actually believe you. “What I can’t see doesn’t exist”)

Sethanon Stormrage.6721:

Call for GvG all you want but IRON will fight you when we eventually get a GvG team up be patient.

Yea, you already learned the hard way GvG-ing vs others that you can’t just pick anyone from your guild for that kind of events.

Wolbryne.4037:

Empyre.2531:

Wolbryne.4037:

I don’t want to ever see RG whine on the forums about blobs anymore. you’re running with 5 guilds and pugs atm kinda hypocritical considering all your QQ’s about that exact thing

We’re only 20 RG in the zone atm. Dunno what you on about.

lol. that post actually made me laugh. rg zerg + rnv + 3 other guilds + pugs in your blob on deso. I know your “glorious leader” tells you all to spread his nonsense crap about how you’re 12 people and everyone else is 200+. but we know what we saw and you can’t deny that you had a huge blob on deso lol. wiped you a few times and made you run back into bay. was fun, I’m not complaining. just saying that your whining about blobs has turned into hypocritical blabbing now since you’re doing it yourselves.

time to give the wife my time now so ’night to everything gw2-related

Mate, you got 38+ IRON and another 12+ pugs on your teamspeak. Plus those that tag along without joining comms. You stood outside the keep with 50+ trying to blobb our 23.
So yes, we called the zone and gave you a taste of your own medicine. Resulting in a clear wipe with equal numbers (was 23 RG + ~15-20 RNV + ~10 BG) and IRON ending the official raid.

As Cyril said, the offer for an equal number GvG is still open.

Also as you can take from Genev’s post, an actual Desolation player, we fought all evening alone and only gathered a few “pugs we didn’t want to send away” to assist us in combat.

Sethanon Stormrage.6721:

http://i.imgur.com/6WuLypd.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Il7mXKe.jpg

there was more than 20 but not complaining, had great fun. Cheers for the fights & shout out to OPT and MOS for the fights all week.

More then 20 players, yes. Not more then 23 RG. You see we can play your game as well.

Wolbryne.4037:

I don’t want to ever see RG whine on the forums about blobs anymore. you’re running with 5 guilds and pugs atm kinda hypocritical considering all your QQ’s about that exact thing

We’re only 20 RG in the zone atm. Dunno what you on about.

Chiolas.1326:

Almost midnight GMT, you can start logging in now Viz

They come out wednesday and play all way to reset.