Guild Wars 2

Ye, was really dry sandpaper today. Good that RG took a night off, being back for reset tomorrow.

Truga.5897:

Sounds like hardcore easymode hoppers to me. Hardcore pvpers stay for years. Look at games like quake, CS (shudder), eve, and so on. People have played these for 10+ years, and the competition is still as strong as ever, if not stronger.

At the begining of a game’s lifetime, everyone is still learning. At that point in time, it’s very easy to kill the majority of the player base. I know, I’ve been there many times. You join a server, and just go 30:1 kill/death ratio. It even happened in GW2 spvp when it launched.

Later on, when the people that learn slower but still hit the skill level necessary for competitive play (either because they’re simply slower learners, or they simply play less, or whatever other reason), and getting a kill in pvp actually means you have to do more than spam heartseeker, these so-called “hardcore pvpers” flee for the next game.

El oh el hardcore pvpers.

Those games are competitive and either a) were/are e-sports or b) have decent amounts of rl money involved. So you can’t compare them with GW2. If anything you can compare GW2 to Warhammer in terms of small scale&rvr/wvw. Now go and see how War goes after all those years.

Cornholio.1567:

Did AR just get a big boost of guilds??

Nope, AR is just playing again after 2 weeks of more or less slack.

Won the battle lost the war.
Actually this week, lost the battle and the war.

Xispeo.1706:

Also since you are in T1 I regularly see some of your bus not moving at all when we charge you and wipe you, I have no idea why, it looks like you don’t react very fast in open fields, so probably the reason why you can read that some of us consider you as weak on open fields, but you are learning as well so it should get balanced soon.

Many servers consider Vizunah worst in any part but playing for points and organising PU, especially failing in open field combat (and you haven’t learned since day 1 of Blacktide), but nice to see you’re riding your high horse.
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Leocryn, Viz running with twice numbers, I’ve seen it too often.

Tygra.4570:

I’m the first one to agree on the part where you say that whoever won a matchup on gw2 won it by superior coverage and nothing else. I even posted it some times ago on these forums.

And why would you think that one guy, even as “known” as he is, control or is aware of everything every GC member does ? The ally unites way more people than you seem to imagine. Moreover, this is not what Troma does. He’s here to help, not to control.

He said “we [GC] never pulled any AS [guild]”. I then asked if he has 100% control over every GC GM or member to say that. I agree with you, he can’t be aware what they do, so he can’t know for sure what was happening when AS guilds came over to Viz.
There’s always a lot of talk going on between guilds, between members.

Jue.6493:

Empyre.2531:

I think Devitz is referring to reset last night and one FG tag was active during every encounter we had with FG during prime time.

As I said. Reset last night there was two separate FG raids. One tagged, one un-tagged.

I was referring to your “during offpeak”.
The way you wrote it sounds like you run 2 raids during offpeak, 1 tagged, 1 untagged.

Truth hurts I’m totally relaxed while writing everything, but you seem like you mistake game with work. No worries, it’ll be alright.

A Viz talking about fights outside of walls, cute.

Totally agree. Exaggeration was always best way to underline a point.

I didn’t say anything bad about nightcapping this time, it’s how you win the matchup, it’s how SFR and BT beat Viz, it’s how Viz beat the other servers. I just don’t want people to think there’s any other major reason but that (someone got a nice community, doesn’t matter, someone got pwnage guilds, doesn’t matter, someone does have less then 40-60 people each night every night, it does matter). So I have no clue what you are on about.

I think Devitz is referring to reset last night and one FG tag was active during every encounter we had with FG during prime time.

Troma.3250:

Anyway Empyre like a lot of your posts, you make opinions without all informations: we never pulled any of AS guild (stated on JoL and GC many times) and i never whispered a guild master. They decided to come themselves.

“Pull” “leave” “come themselves” all same result. They bandwagoned on your server, this makes Viz a WTJ server, just like SFR and BT were. Empty (in relation) when losing, packed to burst when winning.
You even focused AS to kick them out of tier 1, after you allied with them initially. Funny to say the least. Maybe it happened with the intention that their downfall will get you some of their best guilds. Back then Viz wasn’t interested in fairplay or equal level fights, so I don’t think that idea is way off. Only recently you cared when there was noone to play against anymore.

Also Troma, you don’t initiate every guild transferring nor do you know everything. Do you know what happened between other GMs of GC or even between friends in different guilds (e.g. a server swap can be pressured on the GM from within his/her own guild)?

Air.3154:

Isn’t that what it’s been told already? the crap we’re sinking in now, it’s both fault of anet with thier free transfer, but on the same levels of the guilds leaving.
And come the kitten on, queues aren’t that big of a deal. Viz can face hours of queue, our guildies can’t face 10-15 min queue? Bah.

First, SFR didn’t have 10-15mins after free transfers, more like up to 3-4h. Getting in a decent 25man guild raid would take at least 2-3h as well.
Second, Viz can face the queues because of how they structured their server. They don’t need guilds in to win, 2-3 pug commanders and that borderland is set regardless of how many organised guilds are in it. Of course organisation helps, but if not possible (read: queues) they’ll just stale the zone (running, hiding in t2/t3 objectives, ninja capping) until the enemy logs out (compare: Viz won no week when the enemy didn’t log out or was flipping their keeps and towers early morning)

Ahh. Sorry couldn’t count how many GH there was in the 60-70 ppl ball.
Even at 15 you can run alone, VII is the best example.

JoiLink.5084:

It is a pity that our prime time does not coincide with a European for a few hours. And when Europe wakes up, we still have 10-15 people.
And yet, we have time to face the VLK, Black Horde … sometimes with DsD and Bull. Thank you for fighting.
There was one question: on Deso Bull ran themselves and the oche is not bad. Why did you become the BB, often combined with other guilds?

Why GH never run alone, only saw them with GF and Nug so far since you joined Piken. Please, before you point fingers, check your own stuff.

Arx, you seem to not understand how the system works. Or you’re trying to uptalk your people here. ^^

When Viz was getting buttslapped by SFR or BT (just 2 examples), your pugs flee to pve in masses, BUT you got so many pugs that those holes will be filled. Of course those people are less experienced and need to be taught.
Other servers don’t have that many pugs willing to follow. On SFR the reknown commanders and leaders got flamed by the bandwagoners that came in with free transfers before SFR had denying attitude towards them, they were never willing to cooperate. Even right now that SFR is dead and CoN (e.g. Drq) and many others were/are trying to restructure they still get the finger.
Also the “you got up” part, Viz would have never recovered if SFR existed in its 5 week winning streak structure, the system of maxed coverage PLUS good guild raids on daily basis is far superior to your pu system. Just like Viz never would have beaten BT with Maks doing the morning shift and XAOC holding 2 sometimes 3 borderlands until prime.
Yes, you recovered, when the enemy stopped playing, you never recovered while the enemy was strong, that is something I can’t agree on, you outlasted the enemy by not playing in full force. Respect for everything else, pu lead, your pu per se, some of your guilds (even while avoiding gvg like cancer, while Troma agreed that a gvg would have never influenced a weekly result).

Arx, I can reassure you that you aren’t the only commander doing the running part. Most aren’t clever enough for the trap part though or they simply fail at it.

Reading Arx’s post one could think that more then coverage decides about the outcome of a matchup in this game, sadly it doesn’t.

Thanks proofing my point. Couldn’t have said it better, Leorcyn.

Troma.3250:

Angelyne is not a GC representative… ! i already talked about this with you Ange, come on GC private chat please. Or remove your Grand Cross signature

… and for that kind of people Troma invests his free time and beyond. People that cry on jeux when it’s going bad, “taunting” (more failtrolling then taunting really, maybe hold a troll 101 on jeux) on english forums when winning.
However Angelyne gives a good inside view of what is going on in GC alliance and their chats. Covering a request to unrepresent the alliance with a smiley, wow, that is weird.
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However, Viz had their chances to change playstyle (or if you believe your version of what happened “not adapt to enemy”), you willingly missed it, now live in boredom, fighting the enemy pu, Pu v Pu v Pu. I could hack off 8 of my fingers and with what is left I can count the good guilds left in EU T1.

Rayya.2591:

in my humble oppinion there is no point in accusing eachother of bloobing
piken blob and baruch blob, the only diference is that piken blob with 1 guild 20 members +10 -30 pugs (involuntary – you can’t stop ppls to follow you, even if you turn badge off ) and baruch blob with 2 -3 organized guilds ( not sure why) .

Didn’t know that GH, Nug and 2nd are 1 guild + 10-30 pugs (with badge on).

…and of course Oracle of Glint I will do it, because that is what is happening. Just another server.

Angelyne.2936:

Troma.3250:

Ahhh, quoted for truth ! someone who remember the real situation, thank’s anyway you just make an error: our guild didnt left at all, we builded all this with them. In fact, Grand Cross builded the “pug” support to make all of us stronger ! =)

The true reason why VZ won mainly and most of all, didn’t crumble when time was harder … because instead of seeing them as an anoyance, we built with them this server.

T1 is VS and Deso, SFR don’t exist anymore, but that dead horse will stay rotting in T1 because Elona is too happy to have a german server in their pool to doubleteam JS and make more cash/WXP. Coming in T1 don’t worth a thing for them, so they stay in T2 managing the score and blockade all other server that willing to move up.

You have no clue and talk high all the time, the German servers hate eachother, in fact every German server hates the others. Don’t make up things because they might then support your point.

AR bl atm, PS server selling its soul again. Thanks for respect

Rigel.5789:

I respect what you have achieved with Vizunah Troma, and I personally do not blame Vizunah for this mess. It’s gone on for far too long with us not dropping tiers, tier 1 is not as bad as it looks on paper with the current blowout scores. It’s just that two servers are in tier 1 that shouldn’t be there. We don’t have the manpower to pull pressure off each other except for primetime. A 2v1 wouldn’t be fair for anyone and with our lack of night and morning coverage Vizunah would still win the points game.

Noone is forcing people to run on one commander, noone is forcing people to log in when there’s no enemy opposition, noone is forcing people to use siege and nothing but siege. It’s all player decision, it’s human, the easiest way. So I can’t say Viz isn’t guilty of what is happening in tier 1, nor are SFR, Deso and ANet.

If the Devs can’t fix your game and “your” gamestyle is the cause of your own boredom, think about it.

Nachtz.4930:

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

4 hours queue. Haha don’t you realize it vizunah? You are so indestructible everyone bandwagoned to you (every guildless t1 person). You own fault. Hihi t1 super queue karma punishment for not wanting to quit the blobbing/morning capping.

Sorry i have nothing against the minor core of vizunah, but it get’s frustrating vizunah never seems to have drama. So yes i can’t help but smile drama should come soon with 4 hour EB queue =D. Finally I can dream vizunah will break down…

But there’s troma… Crap, nope it won’t work. Ok vizunah stays t1 forever (until Troma dies).

This was by no means a flame, but rather a sarcastic post trying to make the more ‘open minded’ ppl of vizunah showing how SFR/deso feels.

I really expect Desolation and SFR to fall in T2, to give us some fresh air.

Yes, Deso/SFR will eventually fall in a few weeks, until that happens, wvw will be boring except for the lucky few of Viz who get into EBG.
When the one server drops you can expect the upgoing server to try their best to DROP right again, means not fighting, more boredom.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

Although I dont mind people doing GvG, I hope with Custom Arenas coming soon that all GvG will go there and free up WvW spots for people who will do WvW.

If is a shame Anet have not added GvG yet and we’re having to take up spots in WvW to do it.

Custom arenas won’t feature 15v15 or higher for the moment (besides GvG being 8v8 in GW1). Also the guys harassing our GvG with the argument “we do WvW, not GvG2” didn’t even WvW themselves, they could have capped the whole zone, while AG/Gandara were watching. We also had most people on AR side defending us except the VR guild who was doing the griefing.

Leorcyn.1063:

Empyre.2531:

I can’t compete in the long run? I won 11 weeks of boring t1, more then most of your Viz comrades. Not that I care, it’s just to counter the long run argument.

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I can’t tell about those guilds’ skill or coordination, never saw them run alone, never saw them not play for points. So I disagree about the points part and dunno about the skill part (they lost in GvG to guilds we beat flat IIRC).

Wtf man, I try to be constructive and you come back here with your bragging. You personally didn’t win T1 eleven times, the server you were on at that time did. And anyways, who cares ?
You know perfectly well what I meant : sticking to one server. And I know it’s not your vision, I said it. Nothing wrong with that, just own it.

And I thought you fought against WL some months ago, but I’m probably wrong. I don’t think I’ve heard WL losing to some guild, but then again, I’m not one of them. Anyway, as much as you’d like your “GvGs” to be a measure of guild’s strength, they are highly unperfect versions of what could be GvG and thus for me, not representative.

@Danielle : I see we agree on the foundation. I can’t say much about LNM or WL, but I think WL does not put the commander icon up all the time, they tp quite often and are on their private TS obviously. Anyways, it’s just details.

It always comes back to this : WvW needs something new to keep people interested and guilds should be able to fight to prove their worth (different modes for me).
I’m fine with new WvW rules that destroy completely the efficiency of VS atm, it’ll force us to wake up and react. Sadly, we do not make the calls !

You were talking to me, so I answer for myself. Of course I can’t win a matchup alone nor can RG or any guild for that sake. It wasn’t bragging, it was simply the answer to what you said “you (I in this case) can’t compete”. (/EDIT: ye, was wrong with the numbers, 9x EU T1, 2x NA T1)
All I can say is, you reap what you sow, have fun with a dead tier. Again, hopefully, it’ll stay like this forever, so that Viz guilds that want to change leave it (or just quit). A good aspect on top, if the Viz people flood another server, it’ll quickly go tier 1 and be dead zone again. There’s no place in any tier below #1 for that kind of playstyle. I like that.

olleN.2356:

Why are you trying to turn WvW into GvG mode? It’s not its purpose.

You think the zone lag mono blobb is the games purpose? More power to you.

Noone is saying everyone should do only organised gvg, it’s just an idea to break up from the routine, from the playstyle that made thousands of players quit wvw for good already, the playstyle that even makes the organised people of Viz quit now (boredom).
Run as a guild (don’t ask for “meetings” in the lake, they will happen), run in smaller teams. The map is too small for zone blobbs to be fun plus the hardware and engine can’t handle blobbs.
It seems people have the lost the ability to even move around in smaller groups, if it ain’t at least 45, they can’t play.

naestho.4376:

Empyre.2531:

I can’t tell about those guilds’ skill or coordination, never saw them run alone, never saw them not play for points. So I disagree about the points part and dunno about the skill part (they lost in GvG to guilds we beat flat IIRC).

Didnt knew we lost a GvG so far… not that we’ve been doing hundreds of them, but still…

And yes we play for the realm, not onlyfor ourselves, but never, o never we’ve been crying for help or anything else, we dislike as much as u do, when some adds come and destroy a good and/or long fight. We just can’t always express it cause we take into account whats for for the “greater good”. Anyways, if u look at our stream u’ll see that we try as much as possible to run on our own… But no one can just forbid someone else to follow him, its part of the games mechanics.

Was it Golden Horde? 6:5 or so to GH? I remember one you lost.

What I do remember exactly is us wiping ~30 WL on the bridge to south camp w/o any pugs on their or our side. Next encounter with WL was ~25 WL attacking face to face on that bridge, 5 WL thieves trying to pick our back from other side of bridge and the Viz pug commander who was fortuitously adding with another 40-50 right the moment we pushed WL over the bridge into open field. Wasn’t coincidence since it kept happening from then plus WL activated their commander tag.
So yes, you do ask for help if needed, “for the greater good”.
Of course you can’t forbid anyone to follow, but you can at least actively try to run alone (activating commander tag after a wipe on even numbers, dunno, leaves a bit of sour taste). That is what sets us two guilds apart for most and general setup of classes.

Terkov.4138:

I don’t agree. Imho sieges should take hours, not few minutes. Ofc, hp change won’t help, it’d need some bigger changes.

With the current size of maps sieges last too long. I’d agree to the current status if maps were 300% larger with no waypoints but your own spawncamp.
Being able to lose an objective faster while the travel time to the respective objective makes scouting (I don’t mean 1 guy sitting in the keep shouting “they on outer south door”, but actually scouting enemy movement on the map) much more benefitial and vital and additionally decreases blobbing since a “all on one”-zerg just won’t make it in time for a defense when the enemy sneaked from west to east. This might emphasise on objective trading (the old circle jerk), reducing personal benefit (wxp, exp etc) gained from recently recaptured objectives might be a counter to that.
Maybe add some kind of upscaling defender and attacker reward, the objective gets more benefitial if it was attacked/defended more often, making defense more rewarding, but also adding rewards for the attacker if they take a well defended objective.

There’s only 1 solution to nightcapping on 24/7 servers, worldwide servers.

Leorcyn.1063:

The way it was handled on VS was a bolt of genius. Do not blame us for your inability to compete on the long run (I know it means nothing to you, there is no real competition in point scoring, bla, bla, bla…)

I can’t compete in the long run? I won 11 weeks of boring t1, more then most of your Viz comrades. Not that I care, it’s just to counter the long run argument.

Leorcyn.1063:

Even tho some might argue that guilds like WL or LNM (guilds I personally put in the same category as yours : highly skilled, looking for more than just points) are quite happy with VS and its 2hrs+ queues.

I can’t tell about those guilds’ skill or coordination, never saw them run alone, never saw them not play for points. So I disagree about the points part and dunno about the skill part (they lost in GvG to guilds we beat flat IIRC).

Leorcyn.1063:

Empyre.2531:

You played the same vs BT, Elona, Deso, RS etc etc.. ages before SFR 2.0. You (the blobbers) took it to the next level with the culling patch.

Yep, we’re definitely not talking about the same thing.
You see the blob, and you pretend we’re the only ones playing like that.

I say the ranking system is messed up and currently no server has the power to come tickle VS, because SFR2.0 created (or perfected, whatevs) the monster.

The blob is one of the symptoms if you’d like, not the illness.

Nah, everyone blobbs. Viz is still blobbing regardless if there’s an enemy or not, that is what is to blame.
Like I said before, the organised guilds lost control over what they created. You can’t gvg, even when 85% (was last figure Troma posted) are interested in it, your pugs just won’t let you. If there seldomly happened a GvG between SFR/Deso, guess who comes to interfere, the Viz pug commander. Even if you don’t want to blobb, your pugs won’t let you. All the reason is that it is how you played since release, you can’t change it anymore. So enjoy playing alone, I can only wish for the better of the rest of the game that tier 1 remains unchanged forever, quit from boredom.

Amshaa.7492:

Empyre.2531:

[…].

I wonder where the RGs were during weak times of BT and SFR ? Just hopping to another server. Yet you still come here and try to explain how the good fights should be played for the sake of the game. Not really laughable, tho.

You’d probably do better for the game and your guild posting positive feedbacks and ideas in your own matchup thread.

Why should we be on a dead server especially vs Viz.. they don’t even come out then = bad fights. Why you think even Viz is bored now? Because they play how they play. You got no enemies, yet you play how you play, even while you are bored yourself (e.g Leocrynn’s post). Nice try and yes, you lost control of the monster you created.

Leorcyn.1063:

Empyre.2531:

Viz plays for the fun, that’s why you are hardly playing wvw atm in an enviroment you created. Sounds cool, gg.

Not gonna argue on all the “who has the biggest” posts around, but kitten : we (by “we” I mean “the players of Vizunah Square”) did not create anything.
SFR2.0 created that monster. I would even say : the words of SacrX account for the vast majority of that creation.
We’re not gonna stand in LA and ask people not to go through the gate after what you (as in “red names”) put on us.
Now man up and own your mistakes.

You played the same vs BT, Elona, Deso, RS etc etc.. ages before SFR 2.0. You (the blobbers) took it to the next level with the culling patch.

Witzard.6829:

Empyre.2531:

Your pug’s mind is set on how the game should be played. They can’t adapt anymore, because you “taught” them that only all on one clump can win. See the “…” , because you didn’t actually teach anything useful, you just got them on vent, they are still all in one spot, they are still all on one commander, even the guilds.

You could have guild A attack X, B Y, C (eg a pug commander) Z etc… don’t tell me now that’s how you play. We only ever encountered Viz as a zone blobb.

What do you know about the training of pugs on VS ?

And for the second point, I’m sorry to disappoint you, but there are almost always several commanders on the BL maps (don’t do that much of EB), each going for different objectives

Sometime they pair up and blob, sometime they form 20-players roaming groups, sometimes they assault different objectives, the commanders having their own TS coordination.

Training of the pugs on Viz. You can’t even send them away, that’s how you trained them, that was a reason why GvG got denied (most recently Opt was denied by a Viz guild with for that reason, happened to us as well), while your GC founder says that GvG doesn’t intefere with points or the outcome of the match. See how much they listen to you if it’s not for their own easy mode way of gaming, their benefit. You got no control if you don’t play how they want you to lead them. Their respect for you work ends exactly the moment you don’t do what they want and you have to rely on them, so you bend over.

Maybe I was just unlucky I never saw one single Viz 20 man solo roam group. Maybe it’s the tag, maybe it’s unlucky allignment of stars. Won vs Viz 10 or 11 times, so I can’t really say I haven’t fought them enough yet.

Witzard.6829:

Empyre.2531:

ANet can’t and doesn’t want to fix the problem of lag, blobb and other kitten.
Yet the players refuse to adapt and change their way of playing, hiding behind the argument you brought up (“design” “Anet’s rules” “meant to be played”). So yes, the players are also to be blamed.
Hope you enjoy playing alone in the highest tier, while everyone else is enjoying themselves somewhere else.

Give me a solution applicable by anyone (pugs too, not only respectuous guilds) in the current state of the game.

Your pug’s mind is set on how the game should be played. They can’t adapt anymore, because you “taught” them that only all on one clump can win. See the “…” , because you didn’t actually teach anything useful, you just got them on vent, they are still all in one spot, they are still all on one commander, even the guilds.

You could have guild A attack X, B Y, C (eg a pug commander) Z etc… don’t tell me now that’s how you play. We only ever encountered Viz as a zone blobb.

jdkL.4520:

Empyre.2531:

You should know that, as stupid as it sounds, the outnumbering side has less skilllag, but you’re on Viz so you didn’t have that too often.

Could you find me a proof or explanation ? Can I see it on stream ?
I’m curious about that.

Have a look at T1 blobb fights on Prydatv, Chemsorly. They all have fights where they can barely use #2-5 while the enemy is happily spamming away all skills. Like Daniellita said, it was mostly happens when the fight is unbalanced in terms of numbers.

I just found Leocrynn’s post in the closed T1 needs fix thread…
Viz plays for the fun, that’s why you are hardly playing wvw atm in an enviroment you created. Sounds cool, gg.

Witzard.6829:

I don’t think VS deserves all the bashing there is on these forums. Blame Anet for the patch / free transfer, blame the absence of actual GvG, blame the way WvW is designed, but I don’t see how you can blame a server for playing and winning.

ANet can’t and doesn’t want to fix the problem of lag, blobb and other kitten.
Yet the players refuse to adapt and change their way of playing, hiding behind the argument you brought up (“design” “Anet’s rules” “meant to be played”). So yes, the players are also to be blamed.
Hope you enjoy playing alone in the highest tier, while everyone else is enjoying themselves somewhere else.

jdkL.4520:

Good summary. I saw that “call to arm”, and think people forgot about it too quickly.
While I agree about free transfer, I still don’t get why you mention lag. It’s affecting both sides, I’m having fun trying to land a good hammer stun with lag + 20fps.

You should know that, as stupid as it sounds, the outnumbering side has less skilllag, but you’re on Viz so you didn’t have that too often.

I play for the good fights.

They were in tier 1 for a while (currently they aren’t), but it became a bit dry with the culling patch. Ppl bore me (incl lag they create), I leave. I can’t play as a team because of the circumstances on the server, I leave. I play for the fun, pressing #1 exclusively isn’t.
You can see the change in guilds/people/servers within a few days (for some it was just a few fights). First they come alone, then they come with the whole zone.

Noone likes Viz, your playstyle bores everyone that came to fight (hiding behind the “we play by ANet’s rules”-argument, yes you do, soon you play alone, but that’s what your “pve boys” and “green arrows” do best). It’s prolly changing right now, because you’re playing in a dead matchup (see the initiative amongst GC/Troma/Viz to support or even care about gvg) and starting to feel the boredom as well. You reap what you sow. Wasn’t it much more fun when 4-5 servers had 2000+ rating, now everyones goal is to stay under 1800 to not be even close to t1.
It’s prolly not all as black as my post looks like, but you get the idea.

olleN.2356:

Empyre.2531:

Nah, I like it when Viz forum warriors finally come out here again (at least here they have people that want to play with them unlike ingame), was boring to read tears on jeux when Viz got dominated.

If you were spending as much energy and time on the field than writting nonsense story here, you would probably win

Won tier 1 more often then most of Viz and it means nothing. Also I’m winning T4 atm, while posting here, hurray.
May the door be with you, always.

Nah, I like it when Viz forum warriors finally come out here again (at least here they have people that want to play with them unlike ingame), was boring to read tears on jeux when Viz got dominated.

You stopped playing when losing or why you think you lost? Then the other servers got bored or shafted by Anet and you come out of your holes again. Same old, same old or why you think your commanders got burn out and your pugs are bored exactly at the moment of highest enemy pressure? Why you think your pugs flood the zones every night again when the enemy isn’t playing?

“Perfect coverage”, I lol’d. It was a simple counter to your map hopping night choo which got you defeated so easily, even while try harding before taking a “small break”.

I wonder where the Viz organisation and people were during strong times of Deso, SFR, BT, Elona etc? Right at jeux forums crying the bitter tears of the pug.
Now that Viz is winning they come here and try to explain why they win and how unorganised the enemy is. I lol’d.

Ilirya Shan.5489:

Good Lord I’ve too many golden medals and no more space around my neck. Thank you Deso and SFR anyway:)

Troma is proud of you son. So proud he’d jump off a virtual Eiffeltower.

Troma.3250:

We should make a big open letter to Anet with all WvW guilds GM.

You’re fighting against windmills there. They want spvp to be an esport, yet fail to deliver even the slighest attempt at it.

Send a letter and see ANet /care. People been trying to push ANet into a direction of an even slightly competitive wvw for over 15months, it remained coverage>all for the whole duration. They won’t change it, bottom line. So players, if they want to continue to play, have to change, but they are hiding behind the “we’re playing by ANet’s rules”-argument, the easy mode way, exactly what ANet wanted WvW to be, casual to the core.

Kingface.9781:

Troma.3250:

You are not honest. Your own mates talked about it in some honest posts. Anyway, i’m starting to receive privates messages with angry people saying i or vizunah killed the T1. This is totally crazy.

You do not realize things started to change when the patch went out, when mega blobs started and when anet did migration on SFR. Blame Anet decisions, not us please. Ok, we are maybe too much in a fanaticism way, maybe too much, but we never wanted that. Stop accusing us of blob when i saw equal blob on every serv. Everyone honest know it. This patch and migration did mega damage to all of us. Thats the only truth.

OMG Troma, stop it now. Stop trying to convince Empyre or any other blind people, he doesn’t even know what he’s talk about and mix up everything.
It makes me crazy to always see you trying to argue on every bullkittens throw around here on VS, especially from people like Empyre or any other random hater. If you keep going that way you will burn out soon yourself. Because you can try as hard as you want, nothing will change on this forum while VS will face SFR or any people involved in this period.
Look the infinite loop and bad faith showing around on each side, even VS one.

Haters gonna hate and that’s the only truth you will find out here.

I read my name so often in that post, but I don’t get the essence of the post.
Maybe you reflect and find out why noone wants to fight Viz.

Anyway, haters gonna hate.

Thanks HoB for gvg.

Shame that AR got so many trolls we couldn’t take care of. Especially the Tz (Team Zaishen w/e) officer who kept griefing, even while his own guys told him to stop on comms.

I couldn’t care less about being “beaten by ps” (or any other server for that regard) in a game that is based 100% on coverage.
I’m also expressing my pov about the change that the game and ps is undergoing regardless if you like it or not.

Yoke.4671:

Empyre.2531:

So far PS have been blobbing every night but two (the first night after we joined and another one) since I’ve been on AR during prime.
PS is a blobb server, I agree with you.

Thanks for not reading what I said at all)
(also its blob, one ‘b’)

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It’s too big to have only one b at the end.

Thanks for supporting my point. o/

Troma.3250:

It’s insane to see you never want to be rational Empyre :| we talked about burnout and commanders veteran off only 1 or 2 month ago, why do you mix everything?

how do you want the veteran commander to burnout at the BT/xaoc moment? it was in december. They were doing their best at this moment. You will never admit VS qualitys, even if we recognize BT/SFR power when they were at their best.

You never want to listen us, even when we say we understand SFR problems ;o

Stop sniffing them escargots

You basically took one part of my list of reasons for weak Viz and matched it with the event you want to make an argument out if it. That’s not how a listing works my friend. If you choose aspect #2 (ppl taking breaks, breaks for whatever reason) and matched it with BT you would have a valid argument of mine.

I have no problem admitting and I did in past that Viz is best pug server. Pug = Coverage > all in this game.

salluks.6017:

prx was never on deso,

RUIN it was then. Some us guild.

Zajo.5946:

Empyre.2531:

Nice that ps is finally selling its soul! Go ahead.

Care to elaborate a tad on that?

PS is becoming just another blobb server. Maybe I’ve just been unlucky with zone choices, but the days of guilds running solo on PS are more or less over.

Since I’m not a good politican with words like Troma, I added a pic.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/90/gw021x.jpg/

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

Troma.3250:

i dont understand your post, Alaclis. It give a bad Vizunah image and we do not need to taunt them with a Green map. A lot of them are trying to rebuild. And as a Meta you are a GC member…

Great comment Troma (its because things like this that you deserve respect), but I don’t think he wants to do any harm with its post, it’s just odd, to have this, and I’m sure many of VS are sad with this lack of competition.

I’m sure the way isn’t every server stop to play.

When Viz had opponents like BT with XAOC, SFR at full strength and Deso with PRX Viz always surprisingly suffered from burn out, people taking breaks, commanders not logging in.

Nice that ps is finally selling its soul! Go ahead.

Saint Scarlet.2906:

Empyre.2531:

Nice attitude.

What, you’re upset i think AR is a better opponent than RS or are you upset that i’d like to fight a server we’ve never had the chance to fight before including the best guild out there. Sorry but i enjoy my enjoyable fights and yes it’s bad of me to have preferences to who i’d like to fight, shame on me for wanting something fun.

It’s a shame you think that you decide who is “swapped out” of tier 3. Even if it was true, because PS got too much coverage for T3 (a server that rather fight in t3 then t2 where coverage is much more suited), I don’t go out and tell people unless I want to look like an arrogant tool.