Guild Wars 2

For convenience sake for the approvers, here’s a list of records currently waiting to be approved or approved already but need to be updated on gw2dungeons.net. Order is in date of posting.

Edited: And we’re done!

Nice job!

Too bad at the boss. probably could have gotten sub 14.

Are you trying to walk through the portal or are you clickiing the enter fractal pop up? The window has been popping up in the bottom left corner of my screen for me so you might not have been realizing the join window is there.

thrag.9740:

Yeah, but when your first learning it can be frustrating to have to keep looking up which instances are night/day, especially if you don’t have 2 or more monitors.

You can still keep your incinerator skin. Just get a crap dagger, and skin it as ascalonian. Equip it at the beginning of the instance to figure out if your day/night, then equip the correct weapons.

True but the OP got all the night ones right in his first post so he probably already knew and was just double checking.

gin.7158:

thrag.9740:

Here is what I do. For my weapons with night time sigil, I use royal ascalonian skins. They glow at night. This helps me remember to swap them out if they are not glowing. And then you never have to look it up.

Yeah it’s a good idea to do that. but I love my incinerator on thief. afterall , this is fashion wars 2. I guess I will look for a mini that glows in the night.

You could just know which ones are day and which ones are night. Using AC skins, Eternity, or a Sylvari is useful for knowing when its day or night in open world but instances are always the same.

Nope you got them all.

Miku.6297:

100% Agree with Enko here.

However I gotta admit I would probably play my Ele a TON more if it could go S/D + staff xD

Ele with weapon swap (without any accompanying nerfs) would be pretty awesome. Though then again, fights that are already only lasting 15 seconds will then probably last 9-10.

Are you referring to PvP or PvE since your statement that eles will never shine like your others seem weird. In both PvP and Pve, eles are very strong. Eles are one of the most used classes in speed clears and in records runs so not really sure where you’re coming from in saying that.

Why does select three of the trait lines mean you only have 3 elements to swap to? Just because you select Fire, Air, and Water doesn’t mean you still can’t go to Earth attunement. Why would selecting Arcane mean you can only go to two attunements?

If eles had weapon swap available, that’d be 40 skills to everyone else’s 10. You’d be combining the insane burst that a Scepter/Dagger ele can do along with the sustainability and massive DPS that a Staff ele can do.

Just because a Staff attacks max range is at 1200 doesn’t mean that you have to be at 1200 range for that attack to work . .. You have the versatility of fighting in melee range with your team or backing off a little bit to still do damage.

Sanderinoa.8065:

Enko.6123:

Amicable Pugs.4503:

Enko.6123:

Also changed the limit to 5 so a guild can bring a team.

5 is way too many and not needed.
Even 3 felt like too many last time but went fine, therefore I think 3 is the perfect amount to avoid going off topic etc and have enough people present to sort this whole thing out.

I’m still waiting for the guilds that I sent an invite to even invite their original 2 others.

Like mine, they’re likely full in guildslots. I suppose it should be fine just to have the one in charge and have them take 2 to voice comm?

Yeah that’s fine. Could you send me a message on the forums or in game so I just have a general idea of who and how many are coming then?

When you enter the room, it starts a dialogue. Threshold to start the dialogue seems to be right around the end of the hallway and the final green line before entering the actual room.

Last line from the Inquest Operative is “Subject 6 i s nearly ready. Now pipe down and take your medicine. Some of us intend to survive this fiasco.”
Dessa: “Look out! That so called Subject 6 is loose.”

When Dessa says Subject is when it spawns.

Amicable Pugs.4503:

Enko.6123:

Also changed the limit to 5 so a guild can bring a team.

5 is way too many and not needed.
Even 3 felt like too many last time but went fine, therefore I think 3 is the perfect amount to avoid going off topic etc and have enough people present to sort this whole thing out.

I’m still waiting for the guilds that I sent an invite to even invite their original 2 others.

Eh I’ve seen a weird issue a few times with him where he stopped to go back to his original spawn point and healed up to full while we were attacking him. Never did figure out what was causing this.

August 2nd seems to work for everybody so we’ll do it then.

Snowball.3497:

I feel sorry for Enko. He’s pushing the initiative to resolve issues but instead his efforts gets derailed into pointless arguments.

We’re having a meeting at 2nd of august. Collect your opinions and discuss it then where it can be constructive.

Sounds like you’re planning on being there. Sent you an invite.

And unfortunately neither work on demons

People are probably just waiting for the livestream tomorrow.

spoj.9672:

People could just use common sense. Like its fairly obvious when a tactic is questionable. Which is why i really dont understand why people were in such a hissy over getting called out on the fimbul immob thing. Anyone could see that was getting into major unrestricted territory.

But yes i think if its not on the rules it should be allowed. However thats for a ruleset which doesnt have the intent of being “restricted”. Which is why starting over and re-branding is a good idea.

Kind of agree with the rebranding thing. I’m still seeing people mention the words “not as intended” despite restricted not meaning that anymore since it was changed to “whatever you want”.

I think the problem with deciding if a tactic is ok or not after a record’s been posted is that its very unmotivating to even work on a record when you don’t know if it will or will not be approved. If it doesn’t break a current rule, then it should be approved. If it’s going to the all time board, if it was ever approved then it should be allowed to go there. If the ruleset changes things still would stay on the all time board but then again, previously the ruleset only changed with major updates to the game.

The efficiency of voice comms comes in once we all get together. Comparing the discussion of when to have a meeting to actually having a meeting is comparing apples to oranges.

August 2nd has been proposed and I haven’t heard anything against that date so how about Aug 2 at 10:00 AM Eastern Time (2:00 PM GMT).

Also changed the limit to 5 so a guild can bring a team.

Does this mean you’ll be attending when we have it?

Ok then Nike, then what’s your solution for the right now? As it is, we’re going to continue on the path of weekly voting.

I’m about to give up on just trying to get everyone together just so we can work this out now but you apparently don’t want a meeting, you don’t want to continue the current weekly voting, but suggest no alternative for way ahead. Balls in your court, suggest something or get on board with someone who’s trying to resolve issues either with having a meeting to get things finalized or continue with Wethospu and the weekly voting. If you don’t have a solution but all you’re doing is complaining about the people who are trying to resolve something, then what are you doing?

As far as I can tell the only contentious issues that have arisen are the out of bound issues, attacking bosses before they are able to attack, and then the other one off issues for specific things that are contradictions to how they are allowed in other paths like jumping past doors is ok for some but not ok for others. The rest has just been some random votes that not really sure why we had them.

NikeEU.7690:

Ideas, just throwing it out to save everyone some time.

1. Keep the rules as they exist today.
2. Stop the weekly voting/tweaking/clarifying minute non-issues and reserve voting for new issues of severe importance where there is actual controversy and the community opinion seems to be actually divided and/or meta resets.
3. Have a meeting once a year to discuss larger ruleset changes.
4. Everyone kitten for a while and play the game.

If this is your solution with keeping the rules as they exist right now, rule 11 is still an issue with how it is worded. Other than that, I think its fine to keep the rules as they stand now if rule 11 is worded better and we stop the weekly votes. Still think it would have been faster to decide this all on voice comms together but hey sure, let’s toss this up for another vote.

Artemi.1437:

If you want to go off about your own ruleset: Can you please list all the differences of yours to the one from gw2dungeons.net(Especially if we already voted on them, and what that vote decided)? I doubt there would be a lot of people, who will do the work to figure that out for themselves. And if at the end of the meeting there is a difference on both rulesets, we will be worse of then now, because nobody will know, which ruleset is the right one. And some may even fell tricked, because the differences were never made clear.

I’m not trying to make a second ruleset. I’m trying to simplify the one we use for dungeons.net and just get it finalized so we don’t have endless votes. Heck I can change the proposed one to be an exact copy of dungeon.net and this will still be the same since its going to be a discussion hopefully followed by a decision. It’s not to just get on teamspeak to immediately do a vote. I just want to have a meeting so we can get all this stuff finalized instead of week after week of voting.
I’m hoping we have a quorum at the meeting so we can present it to Wethospu (if he isn’t there). If he wants to put it up for one final vote with his official way on gw2dungeons.net so that all 10 people listed have a chance then I’m fine with that.

If you need to know the differences on my proposed changes for how it’s applied, the only real change that I proposed is changing "Attacking enemies which don’t try to fight back is banned " to something that is a little more clear and to define what a hostile, inactive mob is.

Other than that, it’s pretty much the same. I stated the differences in my first post. Again, we’re going to discuss this and any other issues during the meeting.

Artemi, do you want to attend?

Well come along to the meeting. As I said, that proposed ruleset isn’t in stone. Was more so we had something to go off of to discuss. The entire point of this meeting is so we can discuss this stuff, get it nailed down, and stop the endless week to week voting.

As for the hostile but inactive thing, that’s targeted against bosses that just bug out as in they just stand there and do nothing and will never do anything because their AI was broken. First Alpha in CoE if you jump the doors is an example of this. Arah P4 bosses that you bug are also an example of this. With the current wording on the rule of not being able to attack bosses that can’t attack, you can’t Deep Freeze as they don’t attack while they’re frozen and bosses like Bjarl basically are going to suck to kill in accordance with the current wording.

This one? This is worded fine.
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if you read the proposed rules, that wouldn’t be a problem . ..

NikeEU.7690:

The ruleset is working as implemented right now, new records are being posted, reviewed and approved every day. We don’t currently have a pressing need to tweak it, nor do we have any need to totally revamp it. Voting each week on pointless topics is as big a waste of time as a community meeting to talk about this proposed revamp. Can we just stop both of these things until there is actual reasons for them to be done?

Stop the ruleslawyering maddness. Stop talking about rules. Go run records. Roleplaying as a bureaucrat isn’t as fun as all of you seem to act like it is.

I basically want to have a meeting so we can stop the week to week votes. Let’s decide on a ruleset, get it done, and not change it unless something huge happens again.

Once we decide on the ruleset, we shouldn’t have to change it until there’s a major change from Anet (at this point, most likely HoT).

Wethospu, your 3rd option is what we’re aiming at. The baseline rules should be just that, baseline. If it’s not banned, then its allowed. This shouldn’t require a constant tweaking of the rules.

BlackDragon.3752:

Would the Second of August be fine for everyone?

August 2 works for me.

Jerus.4350:

otome.2673:

Quick question since i am not playing for so long. Where can i vote for the Players/Guilds voting for thoose rulesets?

Guilds that participate in records (set a record) are invited to vote. So basically get involved and have your voice heard.

I’d be up for anyone to be on TS for the meeting unless it starts to get disorderly. I want actual input though not people who think posting daily tours runs as records. People that are actually interested in contributing to the discussion. While it’s likely that we’ll give more weight to people who are actively doing records, I’d like to hear input from whoever wants to give it.

otome, if you want to be at the meeting to provide input, just let me know.

Weth, sent you an invite to the meeting anyways since you said what was stopping you from joining was that you felt you weren’t invited.

If anyone else messages you about it, please let them know that anyone is welcome at this for their input.

So I have someone from DnT, vC, SC, and rT has expressed interest except the time proposed won’t work. We can always find a different time to include rT if we need to.

Anyone else want to participate at all? Invited Wethospu but don’t know if he wants to go or not.

Guild: Legion of Doom [LOD]
Twilight Arbor – Aetherpath
Date: 20JUL2015
Game Build: 50,837
Restricted time: 14m 44s

Enko – Li Devi : Elementalist – https://youtu.be/eeAQzAEA9WU (Timer and Build here)
Bailey – Bailey Helix : Elementalist – No video
Tomokou – Alex The Sneaky : Thief – https://youtu.be/x-IlybJuiy4
Ted – Staff Guard : Guardian – http://youtu.be/HgsgbrP8LyQ
Subi – Blame Subi : Warrior – https://youtu.be/fzbbBlxydfU

Wethospu.6437:

In that case it would have been “If anyone is interested..” instead of “If you’re interested..”

Wethospu.6437:

Last time I checked, I wasn’t invited. I assumed you guys wanted to do it yourself considering all the talk how I shouldn’t be able to influence the rules, etc.

I listed the same people you did for the votes and said

This is the people who were listed as voters on Wethospu’s weekly discussions. If you’re interested in attending, please post here or send me a message. Similar to how we did the previous meetings, up to 3 people per guild should work.

I’m not excluding anyone.

Wethospu.6437:

Lots of people have asked me about the meeting hosted by [LOD]. I have nothing to do with that so no idea about it. But I will keep this official way up until we get some results from it.

Is there a reason why you don’t want anything to do with it? You’re not excluded or anything.

SlyDevil.3952:

spoj.9672:

People dont have a problem with fimbul, shoggroth, sub 6 though. The problem was allowing them in restricted. Which was supposed to be a ruleset about playing as close to as intended as possible.

Is the intention of this ruleset to remove unrestricted and have only 1 type of record?
And in terms of those bosses, why list them if people didn’t have a problem? As long as you describe what inactive means, the 4 sub-rules wouldn’t need to be included, or reduced to 1, which would explicitly define inactive.

Edit: sub-rule is a bad word choice, I’m confused as to why you would need to have 4 statements to clarify a single rule, instead of rewriting the rule to remove confusion.

This is so when I posted my proposed ruleset, people would know what I mean by hostile, inactive bosses.

I wouldn’t expect what you’re calling sub rules to be listed in the final rules.

This is the stuff we were going to discuss at the meeting and anything else people wanted to go over. Did you want to attend?

Veckna.9621:

Will GW2dungeons representatives be attending? They don’t exactly seem very supportive of this initiative.

I know Ravi is attending. I’m not sure why Wethospu appears to not want want to. Maybe since I made the post or since he says [LOD] is hosting it. We’re more likely going to do it on vC’s TS since they offered up the usage of their’s already.

I would like it if the approvers could come to or anyone else that has any input.

SlyDevil.3952:

Isn’t 9b a redundant statement with 9a? Perhaps just reword 9a as attacking an enemy that is unable to perform an action(do emotes/talking count?), since non-hostile enemies won’t take damage from you(unless neutral moas count). And define action as skill use or movement(though the game considers npc movement to be a skill). Which would summarise 9abcd into a single, slightly longer than before statement.

So, “Attacking inactive enemies is banned where inactive is an enemy unable to perform an action(ie. skill use or movement)” Which covers fimbul, shoggroth, subject 6, subject alpha. I haven’t done the p4 bosses in a while, though I remember them bugging due to their emote. Though you could define an action as skill use, movement and emote to include that.

It’s just Rule 9. The stuff under it is to just make clear what a hostile, inactive boss is. The rule itself would just read "Attacking hostile, inactive enemies is banned. "

BTW, another weekly vote has been started for Week 30 discussion. This topic for CM would be covered under this rule already.

Taku.6352:

Because Enko is kitten that no one is listening to his ideas so he decides to make a random meeting to stroke his own ego.

Not really sure where you’re coming from on this.

Most of the guilds that do records are annoyed with the weekly voting thing. All we’re doing is getting together to just finalize it and get it done.

Yeah but still no real point in doing it when a simple character select screen does the same thing.

Eh I wouldn’t bother waiting for the cooldowns. As Bukkebruse says, the war utilities aren’t super important but to each their own.

For the guilds interested in attending, can you post or message me with the names of the three players attending? I’ll see about grouping us up in a temp guild like we did last time.

Taku.6352:

Fine defiant stance, balanced stance, warbanner and then talk to her.

So you blow all of your cooldowns just to get her up? Not exactly worth but guess its up to you.

Taku.6352:

Warbanner her and talk to her while she’s still invuln and you’ll teleport to Frizz.

I’ve actually seen issues with that especially if she’s in the middle of the lasers already. Mainly due to the person who’s talking to her though.

not really sure how you can get faster than an instant teleport to end for her. would be faster to just not screw it up and turn the traps off too.

how are you guys getting her through if it bugs out?

Aleth.9630:

We’ve had it bugged once by accident, took about 5 minutes to get Ellen through the lazer field alive for the final boss entry, but the fractal worked fine afterwards.

On topic: how do people find these teleport spots, now I feel motivated to randomly spam my teleport all over fotm in hopes of finding something.

If you get the second set of traps bugged and they won’t deactivate, the easy fix is to have 4 people go all the way to the end and have one person stay behind to rez Ellen. Once she’s alive, that person goes to character select screen and she should teleport to the other players. If she’s too close (like halfway through the traps already), then you can use Ele Glyph of Renewal on Air to revive her to you.

Sanderinoa.8065:

Oh well this is great, I’d really like to join in on this seeing as how rT is restarting as of now, and how often rules get confusing nowadays. Sadly I am out of the country (Again) for the rest of July. If possible I’d prefer it if we could give people a little more time and schedule in August.

Edit: I do however think we should look at a more broad perspective than was suggested, though. We can’t have meetings occur at anytime someone suggests something new. Lets look at what the community wants, and how we can cooperate to make everything easier and clearer.

If we want to push it into August, I’m fine with that. I was just looking at something soon so we get some stability on this.

What I posted is only my suggested ruleset. This meeting isn’t to say yay or nay on what I listed but so we can discuss it. There’s a couple of things in there that I’m wondering why we’re still banning since we moved away from the as it was intended thing anyways.

I’d like to see if we can actually just hold a meeting on voice comms so we can decide on a rule set.

Please review and let’s discuss when we can get a meeting together. The sooner we do this, the sooner we can all get back to it instead of the previous week by week votes where every week the ruleset might change again and it was pointless to attempt records.

My proposed ruleset:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k-0UGqmC6AVXgrCh0myB-dpLKVhbg9vGZz9Vfzi5qI0/edit?usp=sharing

For the most part, things are fairly similar.
Cleaned up the wording and reorganized it to make things a little cleaner to read.
The issues people had previously are clarified in a way that I felt made sense. Only major sticking points from previous discussions I think was defining what a hostile, inactive mob is.
Entire argument about bypassing doors was whittled down to simply you can’t jump over closed doors.

There’s a couple of rules that existed because it was felt at the time that the behavior was unintended. Something we can discuss at the meeting.

Took out anything that said “X is allowed”. If it’s not banned, then it’s allowed.

For the Path specific rules, I don’t think any of them actually speed up runs except possibly the air guns on CM P3. Since those are flat out specific to those dungeons and wouldn’t fit an overall rule, I left them in place.

This is the people who were listed as voters on Wethospu’s weekly discussions. If anyone is interested in attending, please post here or send me a message. 5 people per guild so a full team can be present.

Daemoniic [HeX]
Enko [LOD]
Deathly [qT]
Skywalker [TDN]
Der/p/y Moa [vC]
Ashlee [geek]
Jerem [SC]
Nikephoros [DnT]
Sanderinoa [rT]
Senior Magic [iG]
Juliverine [Yoga]

So for the golem event, we’re getting the Mist War Summons Buff which gives the following:
+15% WXP
+50% magic find in WvW
+15% experience on kills in WvW

So is Anet encouraging uplevels to go into WvW to do this since experience gives us nothing at 80 now besides the blowback?

How is using Centaur Runes with Mantra considered an exploit? The cooldown flat out says its for 10 sec. This should work with the Engi Heal Kit as well to spam party wide swiftness.

Haven’t watched the videos but do we have a build shown in the run?

Is this guy trying to kill dungeons off completely or something?

Agreed, being able to have an underwater build and utilities so you don’t have to change them from your land build every time you go underwater would be great. This was just implemented for WvW so maybe they can do it for underwater as well.

NTDK.4897:

I totally didnt know you could craft legendary one.

You can’t. He’s suggesting that we should be able to.

As far as FotM, last I saw they were basically a LFG list for fractals.
I’m not sure of what the status is of REN or Dark REN.