Guild Wars 2

globe.7238:

Can SoS and BG do me a favor and please for the love of god zerg the JQ people who sit in the JP for 4+ hours, is that too much to ask? :P

I think SoS tried last night… There was a 20 on 20 full on brawl at the entrance.

BG doesn’t want to commit players to the jp defense, but SoS and JQ are welcome to it. We need all the coverage bonuses we can get

covenn.7165:

Didn’t you tell me last week that citing coverage is just an excuse and the only thing that matters is score?

Score does matter. I think you are confusing the assertion that SoR NA dominated BG NA and my disagreement with that.

To quote Herm Edwards, “You play to win the game!”

I think that pretty much sums it up. Coverage ultimately wins. I’m not sure I ever stated that it doesn’t, just that SoR should stop pretending that it was the only reason we were winning.

Some players have made the argument of their commanders having to tag up for 8-10 hours a night and the addition of even more coverage being a much needed break, but you do realize that there are many many players on both JQ and BG that pull the same shifts just to hope to keep up. Your commanders go overtime with already superior coverage, something that we have to counter by also playing overtime just so we don’t get blown out even worse. I don’t know where the concept came from that BG and JQ don’t have players going overtime and SoS was the only server facing exhaustion, but that insinuation is very wrong.

If you want honesty, you (SoS) are the #1 server with the clear best coverage in Tier 1. You may get transfers and masquerade with the argument of “bringing better fights to each time zone”, but you should not be surprised at all when those transfers are greeted with negative feedback or complaints from your opponents. It’s like adding more Aces to an already stacked deck. You can be in it for the fights, but repeated losing will take its toll on most servers. SoS has lost once week in the past 13 or 14 weeks. Your numbers are bolstered by winning and you still are getting transfers. The score being close and inspiring players to fight longer and harder is what makes those “great fights” actually meaningful. So as much as you may try to play down the scoreboard, it is still what matters at the end of the day. Playing flawlessly as a player or guild doesn’t mean much if you don’t even have a chance at victory. So, please, don’t give other servers the posturing of “better fights” when you gain yet another piece for true 24/7 coverage. Ohai, you’ve said yourself that Blackgate is “stacked” within the last week, so what does that mean for SoS? How much does one’s victory really mean if they did not have to try? I think that JQ and BG will get transfers to help even the field and I pray that the shifts to come will be to the best benefit for this game.

The age of free transfers is over, the era of server pride is about to begin. There will be shuffles over the next 11 days, I promise that. In my opinion, ND is just the beginning and I welcome the coming challenges. I can only hope that similar guilds make moves to the top 3-4 tiers with the lack of PvP servers so that we have true bracket competition.

Coverage or not, you will always get a fight from Blackgate. If you want our kittens, you’ll have to take them over our dead bodies.

Of course I have fun playing this game. I enjoy PvP and I loved the PvP that they had in GW1, which I played since it released. WvW is incredible in concept. I did not have the privilege of playing DAOC so this is my first experience with RvR. You must be some high and mighty individual to come to an MMO forum and have the nerve to criticize me and make assumptions about my post and the kind of person I am without even reading the actual content or understanding my sentiment.

If those who so blatantly misrepresented my statements bothered to read what I said and look at who I was responding to prior to pressing the quote button, you’d realize my post isn’t about getting these “realm ranks” based off of nothing but zerg kills. I’ve stated it should take into account doing a large amount of WvW related activities. In fact, I don’t care how they go about accounting for prior stats, as long as they do it. The poster I was responding to said that people would whine about players who played WvW while these rewards didn’t exist getting those same rewards based off their stats from their entire WvW career. I disagreed with this sentiment because ANet would be more or less spitting on the players who stuck with this game type even though it had numerous problems. Instead, not grandfathering stats would benefit those who walked out on the game type and in a game that is all about aesthetics, they would be on the same level as those players who spent their in-game time in WvW while those players turned their back on the game entirely or went and ground fractals getting their ascended gear. The time you spent in any portion of the game should be rewarded accordingly. If they intend to make ranks, the players who have already spent hundreds of hours in WvW should qualify for those ranks, not be thrown to the bottom of the ladder with players who are only going to come back to grind them.

Cactus, you imply that I don’t enjoy this game which is silly because I play it with much of my spare time and somehow you took me saying that rewards should be applied to those players who played WvW in spite of massive transfers, culling problems, the removal of orbs, rampant hacks and glitches left largely unresolved as me saying I hate WvW. I love this game type, it has had its ups and downs, but your statements seem to be entirely charged at personally attacking me and my character rather than replying to a single point I made. You seem like the kind of person who would tell a person talking about ducks that they weren’t talking about ducks. Idiot.

Samhayn.2385:

I wvw every day and I can say is that not grandfathering is most likely the beat way to do it at this point. There is not enough cheese in the world to go with the whine that would come from the people who have not wvwed becuase of lack of rewards if we got something they didn’t.

Well, to be honest, screw those people. We played a thankless game with few rewards and no progression for months. Many left the game in droves while we did not. ANet denying all of the achievements we have to date would be spitting on us. The audacity that players who quit WvW could complain about something that we earned. That would be like me complaining that I don’t have enough fractals relics to buy a back piece, but ANet should give me one because I just started yesterday and it isn’t fair.

ANet has shown to add skills with every expansion they create while also creating new classes. Without being too radical, I’d suggest ANet add more things like portals into the game. Give the attackers and defenders more options, rather than taking them away by making it portal even less people or only the mesmer themselves. Make things more dynamic and fights can be new every time or at least give attackers and defenders a larger toolbox. People talk about boring WvW and how everything is the same; if we don’t have more skills and mechanics at our disposal to mix things up, how do you ever expect that to change?

In all honesty, it very often takes the collapse of a server in the tier above you for you to move up. The rating system is so broken to “keep matches balanced” because it does not take into account winning as a guaranteed increase in rating or position.

Blackgate won Tier 2 9 weeks in a row. We just now got into tier 1, and barely at that because SBI lost rating, not because we gained it so much. The advancement of Blackgate to tier 1 was not predicated on our score in Tier 2 at all. We scored more points than SoR and TC combined and barely advanced.

Theoretically, Tier 8 could have the best coverage in the game and have 24/7 coverage and all the best guilds, but if their matches were close, they would never even see Tier 7 unless a server in tier 7 absolutely imploded. and dropped enough rating to have one of them move up. They would then, of course, all systematically break out of Tier 8 and steamroll their way to the top, but until a server above them collapsed, they would be quite literally trapped in their tier. That alone is a disgrace to how the rating system works and, barring transfers upsetting the balance in tiers causing matchup changes, WvW has become largely stagnant with regard to upward mobility no matter how high the level of play in your tier is because you have to crush your opponents so badly just to gain a few rating points, which is nothing unless the 3rd server in the tier above you loses rating to meet you in the middle, which seldom happens because they bounce up and down as far as overall rating points go from week to week. Once your rating gets low enough in a tier, getting beaten badly no longer makes you lose rating making it easier to gain rating often shackling the top server below them to their respective match.

Portals being limited to 5 people would make them worthless, though. AoE does damage or heals which is hugely effective in large engagements. The portal does no damage, it is entirely reliant on teammates who come through it. Without players to go through the portal, it’s a gimmicky escape/movement skill. Portals are still entirely reliant on organized groups.

I think the AoE cap should be raised or gotten rid of entirely. If you want to break the meta of zergs, and give smaller forces the actually ability to use tactics, you take away AoE caps and you make the maps larger. This forces players to split up into smaller battlegroups or they lose objectives because they can’t cover a whole map, even with a waypoint. If there was no AoE cap for damage, heals, or boons, you’d see an entirely different style of play, one where people can’t just mob everywhere because they’d get blown up. You could take the limit off portals because if a server wants to put 40-50 people all in one place, they could be my guest.

pita spoon.5708:

Is there a cap to how many people can go through a portal??

About a month ago, portals were changed so that only 20 players may use the portal. This includes going through the portal on either end.

Most higher servers immediately circumvented this change by sending more mesmers with portal entrances dropped through the first portal. These additional mesmers would go through the portal and proceed to activate their portals so essentially 40-80 players could still portal, completely avoiding the “nerf” which could be better characterized as a balance change.

I agree with Quillixx. However, I don’t know how else to express that portals can be countered other than the fact that they can and organized forces will almost always defeat a force that is less organized.

I fully believe that culling is the root problem. If you see that get fixed, you see an immediate diminishing in the effectiveness of portals. Recently, the portal itself now culls, which is ludicrous. Most organized forces don’t even have a chance any more because they can’t even see the portal go down any more, let alone the mesmer.

A simple solution to the mitigation of portal caps by a mesmer going through the portal to drop their exit is simply requiring portal entrances and exits from separate players to be 5-10 yards apart so they actually have to move out of the portal instead of just porting through and activating theirs. This would work similar to the siege placement rule that prevents too many siege pieces from being in one place.

I’ve been banking my badges for months for Ascended gear. All we can do is hope they don’t screw us there as well by making a new currency. Would be just about as bad as not retroactively counting kills/points for those players who have played WvW through all the BS.

Tekren.4580:

They won’t do that just like how daoc added titles people that had a million kills didn’t get there points grandfathered in. They had to start from 0 like everyone else. Which in my opinion is the right thing to do.

I disagree. Players who have busted their tail for months would be on the same level as someone who abandoned the game or has never WvW’d before. That’s nonsense. I spend countless hours in WvW daily and all of us would have nothing to show for that. ANet would have to add it retroactively if it isn’t original design because I promise you that there would be an uproar.

I feel as though all positive actions to work towards your team should accrue points. It may take some tweaking, but capturing keeps or defending keeps should give points as well. I hesitate to imply that building siege or repairing structures should be included only because we all know people will sit in a supply camp and build nothing but flame rams or constantly run keep supply to a wall that is being trebbed completely draining the keep’s supply. Things like that have the capacity to troll a server so badly because some selfish individual decides they want to “farm” rank, something that you can’t simply farm. If it is solely kills, I worry about the impact that has for support players who are invaluable assets for any organized force. ANet needs to find a way to equally reward support players.

I just hope that the hundreds upon hundreds of hours that I have spent in WvW busting my tail won’t be all for naught when this system gets introduced. I don’t particularly care how they go about implementing it. A shiny rank or title would be enough, abilities would be icing on the cake, but, if they do not grandfather in my previous stats, I will be furious.

Well, now that every server has been 2v1’d everything is right in the world I jest, I jest. I hate having class until 8pm on Tuesdays! Have to wait all day to get home and play.

Jeknar.6184:

Well, looks like the euro guys are doing their job (It’s night on euro now right?), we just need to be able to hold it, so we don’t lose all the progress they make.

To the picture, “But it feels like I’m just too close to love you!”

It’s a long week boys and girls.

Here on Blackgate, we just give the spies lovely sentiments to pass along to their masters for us

I think a lot of the perceived ego that BG has is based off of the hostility and kittentalk that is directed towards us. None of us are really here to thump our chests. The HB video was exciting and motivational. When posters come out and tell BG that they are basically trash, what sort of a reaction do you honestly expect? “Oh, ya, you are totally right, we’re bad and we’re going to go back to Tier 2 now.” I think not. Posters are going to tell you to go kitten yourself when you tell them they are bad. Whether Blackgate can win or not is of no consequence. We earned our spot here making us better than every other server in the other 7 brackets. I’d say that’s something. Tier 1 is a challenge. If it was anything else, I’d be disappointed.

Good fights on EBG last night. Spent 17 hours in there and I must say having the entirety of each server bearing down on our East and West fronts separates the men from the boys. I understand game theory and understand why you all do what you do. The low PPT was frustrating, but there were moral victories that were achieved in its stead.

Now Indo, we both know the only way that could happen would be you going home to JQ

Every time I get over 1 gold in my inventory, I bank it. Everyone in my guild donates 25s per week to our guild bank to fund all upgrades and siege. A lot of our commanders, officers, and wealthier players from playing the TP donate more. I seldom have to PvE and when I do I am able to bank all of my profits without touching them.

Flipping objectives alone is enough to cover any armor repairs and anything above that from drops and more captures/defenses is pure profit. A percentage of that profit gets spent on siege and upgrades or donations to the guild bank, and everything else gets banked. Rinse and repeat. I save up about 10g per week from WvW. Sadly, I made about 7g from PvE in just 3 hours the other day. You don’t make much in WvW comparing it to everything else, but you can still make money.

Did you by any chance take a screenshot? The only spot that I know of in GV has no way to back up the hill.

Durakone.5237:

Ethan Mccloud.3218:

8. ummm nap time ..we shall continue after i have my milk an cookies.

Gwen
Tarnish Coast Defender and current armour repair specialist.

9. The current top server’s breakout commanders shall be substituted by Trahearne, who must be prevented from immediately committing seppuku and stay alive in order to capture a point.

10. Mesmer clones and ranger pets must wear bright orange vests to assist those who would otherwise mistake them for extra combatants and flee for safety.

11. Individuals choosing to show off their legendary weapons shall now have a small chance to drop legendary precursors when defeated.

12. Thieves and mesmers shall be able to remain invisible for the entire duration of their stay in WvW, even when attacking. To balance this buff, all other professions will gain the power to fly like in dragon kitten.

I got to the orange vests and I almost died. I can just see the pet bear in a orange vest with a duck hunting hat.

It’s been there since launch. I honestly doubt that it will get fixed nor do I think that it should be. It’s the same way that there is an invulnerable spot coming down from citadel that is well known about.

If you have them pushed back to their spawn, and they sit in an invulnerable spot, there is really nothing to complain about. While they are stuck there, they are not being useful to their team. You’re doing your job holding the map.

Thunderbrew, I roll with Sword/Shield and Hammer in WvW and I do great. It takes balls to charge an enemy force. If you feel like you need to be safe at range, this is not the class for you.

I jokingly say the Warrior is OP, but really it is what every other class is striving to be in terms of balance. Speaking from a WvW/PvP standpoint nearly every build/weapon/skill is viable for a warrior (banners don’t count). Other classes talk about that we are too good because we are able to build however we want and do it successfully. Warriors need to be the benchmark and classes need to be buffed so that their designed builds and class strengths are on par with all other builds for that class and the answer to these problems is not through nerfs.

Edit: Oops. Which camp was it?

I’ve gotten more badges since switching from a GS warrior to a Sword/Shield and Hammer Warrior. Just an observation.

The short answer is no, it is not.

The long answer is, are you really going to come to the forums and complain about players standing in their invulnerable area because it’s right next to their spawn? You are literally spawn camping a server and you’re complaining that you can’t run into their spawn and murder them there too. That’s shameful.

Kerithlan.1659:

I flat out ignore the jumping puzzles and spend most of my time in WvW playing support or running dolyaks, so I have about 200 over 8 weeks. I get better loot from neutral mobs I happen to kill while watching yaks than I do players.

tl;dr
I do the thankless jobs and don’t cheese it up in the JP, so very few.

Honestly, the game needs more players like you so don’t get down on yourself. The fact that kills are the only things that give badges needs some work, capping objectives and doing events should give them as well in varying amounts. Perhaps give them in addition to karma, exp, and silver, or give them out in a “Bag of Wondrous Goods” when you kill a Keep/Tower/Camp Lord like you get from boss drops in dungeons. Although awarding them based on an event (even 1-2 badges per event), is probably the best choice.

Only time I go in the jp is when there is an easy portal to the top and we can afford to take a couple minutes off in the map.

rchu.8945:

I definitely can agree with BG’s recruitment effort, it’s top notch. I see a lot of SoR recruitment threads in here and the guild forum, but I still haven’t see any difference in getting new guilds moving over to fill our Oceanic/Asia time zone coverage.

If only you knew how many hours we’ve spent making threads and talking to individual players and guilds since launch. We have an entire PR/Recruitment team for the server.

In the process of running a large guild, we get donations to buy siege and upgrades from our members and get donations of blueprints by guild members and players who just happened to pick it up or farm it in the jp. I have a couple hundred blueprints on my character without spending a single badge on them.

Power/Tough/Vitality is an awesome set and you can’t really find too many trinkets with those stats either so I’m holding out to see if I can buy ascended gear with them on my warrior and if I can’t, it makes an easy full set of exotics for an alt.

Anything ranged still makes it a lot easier to get those tags, tbh.

I’ve been getting a lot more kills lately, however. The rate at which my guild has gotten kills can be directly attributed to how large we have grown and the influence we can have on a map. When we were running in smaller groups, there were a lot of engagements where you would get less kills even if you wiped the opponents just because of numbers. Also, we use siege a lot rather than putting boots on the ground. As a commander, I spend a lot of time planning and giving orders rather than fighting, especially during a siege.

If you are in the top 2-3 tiers of the NA or EU bracket, you are probably a server with a lot of competitive guilds and players. This is a coverage war the same as every other RvR game ever made (see DAOC and Warhammer). You can have the most talented guilds in the world, but if they can only cover 2 maps, you can’t win at the highest levels of the bracket.

Blackgate has an incredible community and a core of dedicated and talented guilds. Until we are at the top of Tier 1, we need to keep improving and if you are looking for a server where you can directly impact our performance, look no further. We have a friendly, cohesive community that communicates with each other effectively and is quick to come to each other’s aid. You will learn more about WvW than you ever thought possible on Blackgate. Here at Blackgate, we only want players who are here for our community, great WvW, and calling Blackgate home. If you are expecting an easy win by transferring here, I can show you the door. This is not a stacked server, and you will not be jumping on the bandwagon. This is a call to arms for any that feel for our cause in their hearts and if you are coming here for Blackgate and nothing else, we will welcome you with open arms.

Despite them being on SoR, I have become very good friends with the commanders from [Choo]. They are a top notch guild and an excellent server during NA when they have even numbers with their competition. I would still recommend them highly even though we need your time zone on Blackgate.

playandchill.3908:

Esoteric.5490:

Roughly 3,200 badges and 1.3 million karma for me.

I may seriously hurt something if they make badges worthless.

Holy kitten that’s huge.

Well, with 13.7k kills in WvW and 700 hours just in WvW, I better have that many. I’m disappointed that more don’t drop especially since I play a warrior so I can’t get as many tags in large fights as Eles or Necros. It’s shameful how the tagging system works because great support guardians get hosed with the drops.

If you are EST, we really need East NA players on Blackgate. It is our weak point in our NA coverage and we are actively seeking more players to help strengthen the forces we have there. You would be supported by our outstanding PST coverage the second we all are able to log in

Roughly 3,200 badges and 1.3 million karma for me.

I may seriously hurt something if they make badges worthless.

Roughly 3,200 badges and 1.3 million karma for me.

I may seriously hurt something if they make badges worthless.

If they removed the AoE cap, they need to make healing scale better and they need to make the maps bigger. The size of the map causes forces to consolidate into single areas and funnels them into lanes, especially in the borderlands. The map being easily traversable is the biggest factor for why zergs are the current “meta”.

Several problems with this method are that when a group completely zones out of a map and leaves 60+ of a given server in there with little to no resistance. What happens when it gets to the point that a map does largely outnumber their opponents? Do they all get kicked out of a map that they queued for? Being outnumbered is part of the game. That is why there is a specific buff for it. I think that the outmanned buff should certainly give improved stats with the possible addition of it’s current ones, but that is the only workable change they could make with regard to numbers other than the breakout events they have already added. This game type was never intended to be fair and any decision other than allowing players to play whenever they want is wrong. Obviously queues for the max population cap are a necessity so that the game can run “properly” (that term is used very loosely).

Additionally, the argument here is primarily due to “nightcapping”. First of all, ANet has said that they are not going to do anything about nightcapping. Second of all, other than there being EU servers, there are no regional servers for Oceanic players. Those players take up room on NA servers for this reason. There are obviously not as many Oceanic players as NA players and for PvE and other reasons, they have made their communities on several servers instead of spreading an already limited population across 24 servers evenly. You view is slanted based on NA not being a problem for most servers since this is an NA bracket. Your solution is one that is of great benefit to your server in particular because of your good NA presence, but lacking Oceanic presence. This sort of balancing was never intended and ANet will not do anything about it. I will concede that the outmanned buff needs some changes, but that is all.

The video is in these boards somewhere. It has a ANet poster in it so it should be easy to find.

So, according to you, NA players should be able to just jump into maps and if one server chooses to completely ignore a map, then the other two should suffer. And players who bought and paid for a game should be denied the ability to play the game they bought because other servers don’t have quite as many in their time zone, so they get penalized for having more players. That is the kind of hand holding that would ruin this game. You want balanced PvP? Go play structured. WvW is inherently unbalanced, it’s high time you got used to it.

24/7 coverage is nothing new to any RvR game. I’m sure your even numbered skirmishes with BG totally happened and you wrecked all of them. With such superior PvP players like yourself, you and your server should be winning every week! Oh wait… I seem to have heard about a 4-man FA group that wiped a mindless zerg 6 times their size. They made a video about their prowess. Where’s your video? If you don’t have one, maybe you should take a second to take your hands away from thumping on your chest and use them to look up a class guide so that you can become the PvP player that your server needs.

Samhayn, I could not agree more. I would not imply that TC or SoR does not have excellent guilds and players any more than players from TC or SoR implying that BG doesn’t have skill and only wins because of numbers. I will be the first to congratulate others on a good fight and will seldom talk about the victories that my guild or server achieves, instead congratulating my opponents on good assaults, defenses, and matches. Civility is all I ask for because I would not treat others the same way whether we were in the lead or not. Making excuses for losing is the greatest disrespect to the victor, implying that they did not really earn it.

If I were part of that zerg, I am pretty sure I’d uninstall right then. Excellent teamwork, however. This is a demonstration of how organization defeats numbers. OF COURSE 4 v 22 doesn’t work if the 22 is organized, but it shows that the unorganized masses can fall to an organized few.

Also, very appropriate:

Once again, Waypoints are saved thanks to the underpaid and overworked WvW Development Team!

Sigh. For lack of a better phrase, haters are going to hate. We have hardly gotten “stacked”. Winning in this game requires the best coverage you can put out around the clock. Because we win, it becomes easy to dismiss this as “Oceanic PvDoor”. When your server puts out the total points of more than the other servers combined, I think that coverage can’t possibly be the only thing that enabled you to win. I am waiting for people to learn how to lose gracefully instead of trashing on a server for having more players, because we totally have control over our population.

SoR wins “East Coast Prime Time”. BG wins “West Coast Prime Time”. SoR has a lot of Eastern NA players whereas BG has a lot of Western NA players. Eastern NA players get on roughly 3 hours earlier so SoR’s main NA force is going hard for a sizable amount of time prior to BG’s NA being online. So, when your Eastern NA players go to bed, you should not at all be surprised when our Western NA players are faced with 3 hours of comparable low resistance before we go to bed. Last I checked, my guild is an NA guild and not Oceanic, so when we put up big points late at night, it is the exact same thing your NA crew did while we were at work or school still. Realistically, NA has 2 time zones and should not be considered the same. Since populations concentrate towards the coasts, for the most part people are either Western or Eastern NA. SoR wins the Eastern NA time zone, BG wins the Western NA time zone, it’s pretty simple. Bear in mind, this is not a discussion about Oceanic or SEA players. It is a simple explanation that “NA time” does not end when the Eastern NA players go to sleep the same way that it does not wait to start until Western NA players get home from work.

Thank you, ykyk. If you think that response was being offended, you’d be quite mistaken. We recruit East Coast players because a good portion of our NA crew is West Coast. This gives us a very strong late-night NA team, but our early NA prime time hours have consistently suffered because our players are simply not home from work or school. This early NA strength that is displayed by SoR has been falsely referred to as “NA dominance” for weeks and our West Coast player’s later night efforts are written off as our “PvDoor Night Crew” The only difference between BG and SoR NA is that theirs is Eastern based for their strength and ours is Western. Our SEA/Oceanics and EU guilds push us over the edge for being tier 1 caliber because our competition lacks those. This match is a blowout because of our non-NA guilds, but our NA crew puts up as many points or more as either opponent. Simply said, the BG NA presence should not be written off as a non-factor.

I think it is more than a little ignorant to assume that BG doesn’t have very good NA presence and that our SEA/Oceanics are the only reason we are winning.

And as an addendum to those 4 waypoints, it bears mentioning that we had them well under way from our NA side before our “overnight PvDoor” crew logged on.

Cute guild name, Peetee. I hear that imitation is the highest form of flattery <3