Guild Wars 2

Zen.8497:

Esoteric.5490:

Hoots, it isn’t damage control, it is an ounce of truth amid this cesspool of lies. Maybe you could respectfully ask your family members (servermates) to refrain from trolling us? This thread is a bunch of trolls from your server circle-jerking to the “Fall of Blackgate”. Please.

Again, when you point one finger, there are three fingers pointing back to you or even better we see the straw in the eyes of others and yet we do not see the beam in ours.

Yes, I would guess 3 to 1 would be a proper ratio of SoR forum trolls to Blackgate ones. Good estimate.

Look into my eyes. If you see anything other than yourself on the end of my sword, you’re lying.

Siege weapons (except ballistas) hit 50 people. Ballistas hit up to 10 with a single bolt.

Easy fix here is make siege hit more people in an AoE, arrow carts should be destroying a bunched up zerg. Make siege do more damage the more people are in the AoE? This sort of mechanic would break the so called “turtle” and allow siege to be the real counter to zergs as it is intended, forcing split pushes.

ham.3760:

it was not a treb. it was cumulative dmg. trebs were built much later after the arrowcarts were destroyed.

edit. this is the image before the previous image. not sure how to paste multiple images so i only pasted the latest one. something did cumulative dmg 1xxx 2xxx … 12xxx in very fast succession.

That’s very strange. I’ll try to keep an eye out to try and figure out what caused that damage. If it was foul play, don’t worry about it, my guild will all be reporting the individual responsible as we don’t want that sort of play anywhere. An unfair (read: illegal/unintended) advantage takes the fun out of the game for everyone.

Thank you for being far more respectful and not accusational to the whole server of “hacking” as some players certainly would. Send me a PM in game if it happens again and I’m around. I’d like to make it so that any talk of “asterisks” surrounding matches or events is left in the past and we can move forward amicably to keep these kinds of occurrences out of the game.

Ham, I just spoke to someone who was there during that assault and there was an open field treb used by BG that hit that arrow cart. I’m assuming you are trying to call foul play by posting a screenshot of a lot of damage with no AoE circle/particle effect, but I can assure you there was none. It is possible you were lagging and didn’t see the shot hit?

Zen.8497:

Esoteric.5490:

Words cannot even describe. Just wow. The objective viewpoints, critical thinking, meaningful discussion, and general good sportsmanship in this thread is astonishing.

I mean holy kitten. How the hell can everyone just troll so hard? It makes me want to throw up. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Care to elaborate?

No.

Words cannot even describe. Just wow. The objective viewpoints, critical thinking, meaningful discussion, and general good sportsmanship in this thread is astonishing.

I mean holy kitten. How the hell can everyone just troll so hard? It makes me want to throw up. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Really disappointed in anyone actively trying to use it. Very unsportsmanlike.

Maybe they all built that new space laser cannon blueprint so they can orbital strike your assets?

I made a thread about this a while ago. The reason it isn’t retroactive is because it is character based whereas your achievements were tracked on an account level.

They had no choice other than making ranks character bound because if they made them account bound, they would have no excuse for not making the prior achievements retroactive to your World Rank, which they really did not want to do.

/thread.

The issue isn’t responding to swords. You can have all the scouts you want and without stationing an army there, nothing will stop 1 thief from walking up and contesting your WP every 3 minutes. ANet wants to remove the WP bug to be able to port in during a fight by not having gaps b/w events, which I agree with, but they also have to remove the ability to tag the WP so easily. Possibly, do not contest the WP unless 5+ players or ANY piece of siege hit the keep.

No, no, no, no, no.

The amulet system is terrible as it is and I love the armor, stats, and skins that I worked very hard for so that I could look awesome and be geared to my perfect spec while I WvW. Open World PvP has always been this way, not everyone has the same gear. I already hate sPvP enough because of lack of variety, failed stat combinations (see PPV Knight’s like wtf?), and the gear you have looks terrible and you can’t use your gear from the actual game (like GW1, I had a warrior I made in PvE and played PvP with him extensively).

Burl.9567:

Please bring KnT over to the SoR BL. We are quite tired of the BG guild(s) that you are sending there. At least we know KnT will turn and fight.

According to some, they only ever see our backs. Maybe they are talking about seeing us leave to another objective from their death screen

I’ll see what I can do, but no promises

Garrison was madness last night. What I think Pinot (Thresher) was referring to is the meager organized numbers we had. Very difficult to fend off roughly 80+ enemies with about 40 organized and 40 with the predictability of a herd of cats. No doubt the numbers were even, but it made life hard going. The fight was basically a stalemate up until you all decided to sell. I feel like that was the turning point. [SG], [SF], and [WARD] all on the same map sure made us feel special given that you are 3 of the 4 guilds I consider to be very talented from your server

Other people may get upset about an unorganized 2v1 from current map conditions and even more would get upset if it were organized, but all I can say is, “Bring it on.”

Here on Blackgate, being the gateway to the underworld, we’ve been to hell and back already, so all a 2v1 means is twice the potential bags in a map.

It’s a close one out there! Having a blast on EB tonight!

Good fights this week everyone. SoR, congratulations, I know this is an emotional victory for you all and I respect that.

Blackgate will do what it has always done, endure. At the end of the day, these 3 servers are the most resilient in the game, that is how we keep coming back week after week even if we are being slaughtered by hoards screaming, “Bags for the bag god!”.

I love our community and Agg and FoE fit in just fine. At the end of the day, it wasn’t instability, it was simply their ability to have fun as a guild. They were fielding fewer players and did not feel they could compete in the manner to which they had been accustomed. I will always respect both of these guilds as allies or opponents and hope to see them fighting by my side or on the end of my sword in the next game

I understand that some people are intimidated by The Gate, but please stop trying to troll by talking about how our server community is “collapsing”. I think the people on our server would have a bit more of a clue than you.

It’s like playing a whole new game. A toast to the new era!

Quickness affects far more than just a warrior. And it actually makes people use their burst wisely and in a situation where you can land all the hits. I have no problem with this.

Now, I generally think that anyone who says “l2p” is a kitten and is way too high on their own stuff to think objectively about a situation or a build. If you are running in a small group, you don’t need all the cleanses from soldier runes, you don’t need all the heals from 30 in tactics for shouts, and you don’t need to be running PTV armor. HOWEVER, if you are running in a larger group, it is your RESPONSIBILITY to be tanky enough to keep that enemy front from getting to your “carries”, which is your ranged dps. My guild has made the decision to also have our warriors run shout heals because we need our front line to be alive. Red Falcon’s experience in tournaments, while valid, reflects a very different aspect of WvW than I generally take part in. He appears to be a small roamer, no matter how large his guild is. I say this because glass warriors last just about as long in a fight as their endure pain’s duration (sometimes less). Even if they are his version of “tanky” dps, it’s more dps and sort of forgot about the tanky part. Tanky implies that you can take damage and be fine, the builds he subscribes to running simply cannot, which is why he has to run Endure Pain on his bar. I don’t have endure pain on my bar, I don’t spec into Defy Pain, and I don’t need to. 26k health means conditions hurt less, 3300 armor means normal attacks hurt a LOT less. I’ve had thieves try to “burst” me, and ended up still having 15k health after they are out of gas. Red Falcon lives in a world where being “tanky” means you are bad. He thinks every player should run glass because “you have invulns and can dodge, bro”, well I have news for you, try that one time in a 30v30 open field fight, and you will get toasted. Promise.

So, really, pick your poison. If you want to do more damage, you can run Axes or at least Axe offhand and you can run with a GS with more damage oriented runes and armor/trinkets/traits, but remember if you want to participate in larger fights and feel effective without having to try and drop a 100b to run away with 10% health, you need more survivability, and warriors are one of the BEST classes at healing/cleansing allies. The issue I have with glass in a large fight is they have the highest potential to do damage, but also the highest potential to die. You mix that in with little ability to truly disengage (your invlun is still susceptible to CC and conditions), your movement skills are all effected by cripple/chill/immobilize, AND YOU ARE ON TOP OF YOUR OPPONENT TRYING TO MELEE THEM. A tankier build with less base damage will be doing that damage long after you’ve given your badges to some nasty invader. Is it worth it to see the big numbers of 12k (maybe more if you land the whole thing) from a 100b and then be out of a fight because you can’t survive longer than 1 round, or is it more worth it to be balls deep dishing out CC, healing and cleansing your allies/self, and still doing very good damage.

TL;DR: Glass/More offensive builds can work for smaller scale fighting in WvW, but larger fights require higher survivability skills, traits, and armor/runes or you won’t be having a whole lot of fun.

My professional recommendation: 0/0/20/30/20 or 0/0/25/30/15 or 10/0/20/30/10 with PTV armor, soldier runes, and weapons and trinkets to your liking. Hammer/Sword-Shield/Warhorn

Well, I always have to shake my head when I see Red Falcon post. I put up a tanky shout heal build with optimized dps while maintaining 3300 armor and 26k health and his retort to me was “l2p noob, I optimized better, look at my 5000 effective power.” While he proceeded to make a warrior build that was basically glass, had less armor, 5k less health, and had 0 points in tactics where I was running shout heals. You could tell him that you made the perfect combination for chocolate milk, he would say he could teach you better, and come back with a glass of orange juice telling you that you did it all wrong. He is an individual that has spent far too much time facerolling against dragons and “legendary” bosses in dungeons and, sadly, too much time telling people to build glass for large scale WvW. He would like you to believe that any warrior that doesn’t use an axe/axe and GS build is a total scrub and needs to learn to play.

To answer your question, OP, Warriors are incredibly viable in WvW in just about any capacity. When you get ganked by a thief with half a clue for the first time, you will probably die, even fully geared. This is because you have a learning curve that you are sitting behind, but you will overcome it. Shout heal warriors are incredible for a group dynamic and anyone that claims Guardians “do it better 100%” is clearly misinformed. You see, balance between Guardians and Warriors in your front lines is essential. If you build like Red Falcon, your attitude is “kitten my team, I don’t want to support them or waste my time on tanky stats, all I need is my frenzy+endure pain+100b and all my zerker gear and I can kill whole zergs.” The reason a group needs both Guardians and Warriors is that Guardians are giving out, mainly, stability, protection, and retaliation, 3 things that warriors generally lack, sans balanced stance, and therefore need to be EVEN more tanky. Guardians, however, lack damage. Warriors are there to help, stacking fury and might on each other and the Guardians. Your Guardians give you even more might and all of the sudden you are a 26k health, 3300 armor Juggernaut with a permanently increased crit chance by 20%, stability, protection, retaliation, and 20+ stacks of might. I’d like to see a glass warrior make it past that.

The sad truth is there is this thing called the dodge skill, and after that 100b ends, that warrior gets properly dumped on. If you run in any sort of large group in WvW, you will need passive survivability stats. A 3 second “invuln” simply will not suffice with a 90 second cooldown. Not to mention, conditions are the killer of the warrior in WvW, not raw damage, 90% of the time (try to run through a choke as glass, even with endure pain on, those conditions will tear you apart). And if you live through their stacks of Necro marks and glamour fields, okay then, so you lived for 3 WHOLE seconds with your glass build, now what do you do when that warrior line you are facing, doesn’t go down from your burst? What do you do when you realize you have roughly 2400 armor compared to their 3300? (and that is IF you have any toughness) And all their cooldowns are still up and their ranged are still lighting you up doing all the damage he sacrificed in order to CC you into oblivion. I beat the hell out of warriors that build glass on a daily basis and Red Falcon is not someone who understands large scale WvW, 450+ person guild or not. If I wanted to do that same fallacy, I’d tell you that my guild runs all shout heal warriors because we rely on our ranged classes to dish out most of the deeps and I lead a 350 person guild on a tier 1 server so does that make me more important than other commenters? No. You should take my opinion into consideration, but not because of who I am, simply because of my experiences. In a large group, it isn’t the job of the warrior to do damage. You will do damage innately well because you can get away with not putting as many stats into defense because you have the highest base health and armor in the game. Anyone that tells you that you can build glass because of that, though, is clearly and idiot and hasn’t played anywhere near a server where a person knows how to press “dodge”.

Thank you for your efforts, wish. We want all of these players banned. Really appreciate your communication with Veritas to figure out the situation.

Stories of Jed’s antics always give me a chuckle. Didn’t log in til about midnight PST, but there were still some good fights to be had. Let’s have a good week everyone!

This thread is #winning

Excellent match this week. Last night was absolutely electric.

On behalf of KnT, I would like to express my deepest condolences to JQ for the troll and any negative effects that you feel that he had on this match. You are an outstanding server and a pleasure to fight against in victory and defeat.

Please, however, realize that this is our first victory in Tier 1, ever. Every single guild on Blackgate worked incredibly hard to pull this off. I would greatly appreciate it if the smear campaign of using the troll as a scapegoat or making other excuses/accusations would stop as there is no need to cheapen this victory for us. Please be gracious in victory or defeat.

I shall channel my inner Jedbacca. Good game.

Too many drama llamas ’round these here parts.

EDIT: I reckon.

Score update anyone?

Stop the bickering. It’s stupid.

TC #1. Love them.

Get this tier 1 crap out of here. We have a match thread that is polluted enough anyway.

Vash.9183:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Robot Chocken.7012:

So Is BG scared of taking their own borderland back from SoR?

merc and co are trying at the moment with a huge zerg and getting wiped repeatedly trying to take back garrison…its quite amusing actually

What’s amusing is how you forgot to mention the massive choo zerg camping the garrison doors and rushing out with culling on their side. You know MERC isn’t that bad- not saying anything negative about Choo.

What would claims of wipes and the bags that follow be without blatant misrepresentation of the wiping party’s numbers?

Stop with the kittentalk. There are many good guilds in Tier 1, both large and small. Some have worse forum warriors or trolls than others and that reflects negatively on the guild’s perceived skill, which it should not. Let’s be civil.

Persephone.7436:

I am sure you are a very smart individual but that’s the stupidest thing I have heard in a while. How about blaming the people that make the game. Put in a ticket. How people play this game should not break the game. That’s just dumb.

But how they play the game actually does break the game. I’m asking them to not do it. ANet has some changes they need to make, but the community has the power to not make this the “meta”. Currently, 80 people in a single force is game breaking whether or not it is ANet’s problem. So, “dumb” as it is that people playing how they want breaks the game, it is the sad state of affairs.

There are also numerous strategic reasons why your whole map in a single zerg should never work, but since, very often, the 3rd server not being attacked is content being a willful bystander or engages in the “2v1”, the server engaging in the whole-map zerg doesn’t get punished for it. This is 3-faction PvP; putting all of your forces into one location, by design, is never meant to work.

Hoots.9564:

Esoteric.5490:

I’m not talking about strategy, I am talking about 80 people from a server running in a single force breaking the game. Please read before you try to argue against me. I have not yet found a single person who can justify why running with your entire BL in one force is good.

Foo runs a full bl during oceanic. Coincidentally they dominate ppt during that time.

They run during SEA and since SoR has relatively no presence at this hour, there is no one to punish it. They outman BG as well, but we work smarter not harder in our defense.

They dominate PPT due to a pure population difference, not due to skill. Not to say that FOO in lesser numbers wouldn’t be a good guild, but they certainly aren’t challenged when they run 90 people around capping objectives with 20-30 people max defending.

Also, we did this to FOO one night during their PvDoor hour:

8v8 was the standard for GW1 and I thought it was excellent. Running 20 people in WvW is a good group size and even up to 30. Talking about GvG, however, it would have to be about 10 players give or take, but WvW needs more players to accomplish many objectives, although there are many things for 8-man groups to do. Having 5 as a standard is too few and you end up pigeonholed into bunker or dps as sPvP currently is. You need 8 man groups or more for actual variety and group composition.

The heretic.1052:

Keep it clean guy’s, talking trash doesn’t make you any better.

Thank you. Much respect.

Fixeon, I am not counting pets, etc. I am talking about 3x 25 man organized guilds merging together and running as a single force. Simple math dictates that is 75 players.

I’m not talking about strategy, I am talking about 80 people from a server running in a single force breaking the game. Please read before you try to argue against me. I have not yet found a single person who can justify why running with your entire BL in one force is good.

Jahn.7019:

The cap for BLs IS 80 confirmed.

Also, if anyone is doing that then you should be able to take everything from them easy.

Full BL zerging is easy to counter. If you can’t take anything from them, chances are they aren’t full BL zerging or they are just better than you.

You argument to counter mine is a fallacy in that I was not addressing strategy. Let me make this crystal clear for you:

80 PLAYERS FROM THE SAME SERVER RUNNING IN A SINGLE FORCE IS BREAKING THE GAME, NO AMOUNT OF STRATEGY TO “TAKE THEIR STUFF” CHANGES THAT FACT.

Speaking strategically, very often, a server gets away with running a force of that size because the 3rd server won’t hit them in the back when they are clearly overextended, e.g. their entire force trying to take Bravost when Anzalia’s is Tier 1. My point is not to address this because I do not aim to try and “tell” other servers how they need to play. That is their business.

Also, BL’s do not have a “confirmed cap” so I’d really like to see where you found one. The amount of players allowed into a map is based off of the server strain at the time. If the servers are under a lot of stress, it can be as low as 50 or if the servers are not under stress, it can be as high as 166 as was the original intent for WvW.

TL;DR, Semantics aside, running in groups of 80 players is breaking the game because the servers and game engine cannot handle the load being placed on it. Guilds or servers need to stop running in groups of this size. Period.

Jahn.7019:

Very rarely does any server run with the full BL.

The only exceptions really are FOO from JQ.

Even EMP splits up sometimes.

You are clearly misinformed. There have been many occasions where the entire map for a server is following a single commander in a force of up to, quite literally, 100 people. This happens just about every day.

Absinth.6917:

Honestly I am not attacking nor trolling you. I am merely asking a question and possibly pointing out that you may be guilty of the exact same tactic that you are accusing others of using.

Please read my edit. It should answer the question. Your whole map defending your kee kitten omething that is normal. Groups of quite literally 70-80 roaming the map to take camps or towers is excessive and breaks the game.

Absinth.6917:

I read your post and KnT + Agg would be a zerg of ~70-80, yes?

I would guess 50 players at most, for it being a Sunday night and St. Patrick’s Day. I’ll be sure to get a count for you though.

I really do appreciate the trolling and attacks on my guild to try and disenfranchise my post. Provide to me an argument why I’m wrong, or you can stop trolling and agree with me. This tactic of 80 people in a force literally BREAKS the game and it is in the control of your leadership to do something about it.

EDIT: I haven’t been in game yet today, but, according to my AGM, currently we are running with no more than 30 players including non-KnT. We fought with 15-20 Agg for a brief moment when the lord room was under attack in our EBG keep, Valley. So yes, for that short second, we had maybe 50 players together to defend the most important location on our map. The rest of the time, we have been running with about 30 facing forces of 50-60 and 45-50, whose guild names I will refrain from mentioning.

If you read my post, you would see that I said no guild really fields larger than 40. We probably only have 30 on ourselves right now. I am talking about when 3 guilds merge together to form a single zerg of 80 people. You can run with 25 all you want, but when you merge with 2-3 other guilds with similar numbers, then there is a problem and you would be breaking the game. Tell Bav hi for me and I’m sure he wouldn’t appreciate your trash talk as him and I have always been on good terms.

LegitMudkip.2173:

Words of a true KnT Zergballer.

We run with 40ish people max on reset. The rest of the week we run between 25-30. We cover from EST to AUS/NZ so we are online for about 12-14 hours a day with a force, but that does not mean we zergball. I’d consider us to be a large guild and we are a highly organized and structured force, but we will just about never roam around with 2-3 other guilds to get our kicks. Anything we do on the field we do it with KnT plus a few of our militia that like to run with us.

I’ve seen SF and EMP with similar numbers to us and I always appreciate those fights. I’m talking about the literal 60-90 player balls that you see and you know what I’m talking about. I made it a point to not call out guilds, but rather discourage the tactic in its entirety. Thank you, however, for immediately trying to slander and flame my guild, I appreciate it.

So, I figured out why everyone is so high on “GvG”. Certain guilds will never fight on their own in the field because of their [perceived] lack of skill and would rather form a murder ball of 80 people to justify that they are “good” at WvW. The desire for GvG comes from the fact that it is the only way to have a balanced fight since you will never see certain guilds outside of their native habitat of the mega-zerg.

Grow a pair a fight under your own guild’s name. I encourage no one to give “props” to anything these super zergs do while in the field. They are abusing a game mechanic and there is nothing to congratulate there.

70 man zergs from any server are literally game breaking. This game is bad enough with the way assets load and how the servers are cheap and underfunded. Please try to refrain from running in a group larger than 40.

There is no single guild that really fields larger numbers than 40, but let’s all be honest here: If you murder ball with, quite literally, 70-90 players, you are not talented and you are breaking the game for anyone who wants to enjoy it. Culling is terrible for 20v20 and now you are multiplying that by 4?

Please think of the health of the game. If your intent is to make players quit so your server can be supreme, you may well be successful at that, but you may be killing the WvW population of this game. Tell me how much fun you will have when you have no one to fight.

I’m not calling out individuals or guilds, just giving you all something to think about. Laugh all you want, but you will be killing your own fun soon enough if guilds continue to merge together and form mega-zergs because they are not willing to fight against even numbers, breaking the game in the process.

My staff and I have decided that until culling is completely removed from WvW, we will not be participating in GvGs. After the 26th, we would be glad to face off against other guild providing that it is a couple hours prior to reset so as to minimally affect our server’s performance during the match.

/salute

KILL ALL THE THINGS!

There is a lot that could be done. It’s all been said before. I’m too tired to soapbox about this again. Maybe I should do a podcast?

100 man zerg running over a bridge
FIRE EVERYTHING!

(vid related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l1N_bLFFmo&feature=youtu.be

Proumbro, I would love nothing more than this thread to bear even the faintest resemblance to the Tier 2 thread we left behind. Sometimes, coating a message in pleasantries and beating around the bush instead of being blunt can make the hard truth difficult to discern and would therefore be lost on the target audience: posters like him.

I have a lot of respect for SoR and the guilds that show up to fight us every single day. Every server that is in Tier 1 is deserving of being here and regardless of score there are good fights to be had. You will find I will say the same thing whether Blackgate is in first, second, or third. I don’t have animosity towards your server, just individuals who would rather preach ignorance than understand the truth.

MERC did not transfer anywhere close to 1500 people. I’ll go ahead and find you the exact numbers, but it is my understand that they are far closer to 200 actives. My claims are valid.

EDIT: MERC has transferred 250 people. I bet it feels like getting hit by 1500 though

Quenta.2978:

WvW right now seems to linear in terms of how you achieve a server victory. The current PPT for a supply camp should be increased, so should getting dolyaks safely into their respective keep/tower.

Right now, in the higher tiers, its so very much zerg vs zerg and trying to see who can sneaky take a keep with golems. Things need to be more dynamic.

Not to disagree with you, but from personal experience, there is a lot of dynamic gameplay that is either limited by culling, or not fully explored, especially when it is applied to combat and mobility. It is annoying that multiple golems often have to be used to take a fortified location with speed, however, we don’t want upgrades to be something that are not worthwhile. The defenders should have the advantage.

Proumbro.1376:

Esoteric.5490:

And SoR, don’t even get me started. To get some perspective, our last week in Tier 2 against them involved us scoring more than SoR and TC combined. SoR may not even be here if not for the SBI implosion, which benefited them with mass transfers from SBI and other servers, in addition to some very poorly designed rating math.

You know man, I know you were responding to an inflammatory post, but seriously, this is where you lost me and started ranting.

It’s just fact. You all are a deserving Tier 1 server without a doubt, but the attitudes of some elitists in SoR acting as though Blackgate doesn’t “deserve” to be here if not for mass transfers is nothing short of hypocritical given that SoR got transfers just to get where they are right now. There is also no doubt that gaining 254 rating from SBI (go to millennium, if you do not believe me) is the reason that you jumped to Tier 1 so fast, not because that rating was “earned”, rather, farmed.

EasymodeX.4062:

If the new rewards include ascended gear, I guarantee that half of the “we don’t care” group would suddenly find themselves caring about retroactive points.

They definitely would.

And some people assume that their progress to date would already “finish” the progression system. DAOC had people with millions of kills over years of play and they were STILL gaining ranks. The sky is the limit regarding cute little passive bonuses, active abilities, or titles. It is awfully presumptuous to assume that you’d get ALL of the new progressions “content” from your prior contributions to WvW. I’m just saying we should get credit.

Making WvW progress character based is I think the biggest problem, however it gives ANet a great excuse to:

A) Pigeonhole players into playing a single character
B) Increase the grind tenfold for anyone with alts to “maintain interest”
C) Not give WvW players credit for jack kitten because “character bound” means “their system can’t calculate it” because they CHOOSE not to calculate it. Hell, even if the XP was dynamic, you could give people credit for the least common denominator, but NO, it has the be character bound just as an excuse to not “count” their account based title progress.

To be fair, DAOC had ranks based on character, which is fine, but in order for that to be okay, you need to be able to SEE your enemy’s name in WvW, not “Invader #16843”. The only purpose of character based ranks is for renown and name recognition. If people don’t even know who you are from the other team, wtf is the point of it being character bound?

They have said themselves that this was meant to be included at release, but they didn’t get around to it because, let’s be honest, the game was released in Beta-state. Why would they not give us credit for all the things they were counting all along? However, I digress, the thought that people can say that 6 months of gameplay not counting is, “okay,” is just mind boggling. They counted the stats all along. Give us the kittening credit.

Enemy camping your spawn point
Camp their corpses

You have no supply
Take the keep with your fists