Guild Wars 2

I hope so, otherwise I will just spend all my badges in 50 alpha golems.

Daendur.2357:

4 days before the patch is released any feedback is useless.
Btw, the fix to culling itself would be enough to make this the greatest WvW patch ever.

Yeah, because there have been none.

Ezeriel.9574:

I logged to my warrior with 3200+ armor… sucked down a 12k crit (no idea what skill it was) and I just logged off….

Screen? Or, better, video? Sorry for being so skeptical but it simply IS NOT possible. With 4-6 stacks of might on, on a 3200 toughness target, my backstab hits for 5-6k. Also, there are a lot of ways to counter a backstab as a warrior:

Hammer knockback
Shield stance
EVADE
Endure pain
Fear me
Shield stun

Same for the ele:

Air #5
Lightning flash
Vapor form
Armor of earth (33% damage reduction, not bad at all)
EVADE

Sir Vincent III.1286:

By your description, that’s not a very “organized” group.

In an organized group, every profession knows their role. As for me, and all other thrieves in the group, don’t fight in the front line where you can get AoE to death. Our commander assigned us to do what we do best, infiltrate the front line and take out the casters and the first target on the list are Necros, then Memers.

We follow the commander from the flank and not in the zerg, thus we’re never concern with survival as long as we get the job done. It only takes 3-4 thieves to take out a caster in split seconds, then each summoning the Thieves Guild just to generate choas in this backline.

So yeah, your group needs to be more organized first.

You probably don’t wvwvw a lot. Be aware, I don’t mean to be harsh. In an organized group if you don’t stand on your commander you don’t receive buffs, heals, and you cannot provide blasts. I am able to take out a caster in less than 1 second alone, but that’s ONE caster, what about the other 20? What if they ress him up while he’s downed? Also.. thieves guild? Really? I’m talking about surviving inside organized zerg vs zerg fights, not 2 parties of friends vs 2 parties of pugs.

An organized group run like a “deathball” (quote from a friend) and I’m trying to find a way to stay alive and be useful in that situation.

Hi guys, I mainly play a thief but I also have a warrior. I didn’t really use warrior a lot, but since the omnomberry nerf I’m FORCED to play warrior inside a zerg.

Before the omnomberry nerf I could have used my beloved thief inside a zerg aswell with a clever stat-choice for my equip. I play 10-30-30-0-0, wearing 75% invader 25% berserker (17000 hp, 2800 armor) and still having a 50% crit chance, 65% crit damage and 3000+ attack (buffed).

After the omnomberry pie I simply cannot play my thief with my guild anymore. I can’t survive in big group fights (30+ vs 30+) and I became useless since I can’t survive long enough to deal damage or to spam blasts.

Any suggestions? How do YOU survive inside an organized group? How do you survive in situations in which you are forced to stay with your commander and you can’t rely on your mobility to save yourself?

I had too, once. I felt like my shortbow was shooting twice as fast as it was supposed to shoot. But it’s not perma quickness.

It’s called LAG.

Kingface.9781:

Saint Vitrus = SV, not VS. No amalgam please.

…said the one who amalgams first.

BTW, I really don’t understand what the hell is Deso doing. They are supposed to focus vizunah in order to not to drop a tier and instead of doing this they try to get our SM, failing of course.

Ketharius.9018:

Kill or be killed, this is PvP. Kill for the reward or be denied the reward through death.

Unless you are a thief, then it would be “kill or flee”.

I just want to explain something to you, guys:

REVEALED “buff” occurs when a thief attacks while he’s in stealth. If thief’s stealth ends without the thief attacking, a thief can stealth himself again.

Now wonder, how many time did you faced a thief who didn’t BACKSTAB you while he was in stealth? Never. If a thief had to escape, he would just cast shadow refuge → 15 seconds of stealth → infiltrator’s arrow → bye. Is this affected by the “stealth nerf”? No.

The only thing that has been nerfed is that a thief will not be able to use CnD to escape aswell anymore.

Now, what QQers are whining about thief? Being killed in less than 1.5 second. Will this be affected by the “stealth nerf”? No.

So nothing changed a part from the fact that, for a thief, is now just a little bit harder to escape from a fight. How much harder? Meh, not so much to be honest.

Meh, even if Vizunah lost next week like this one they still wouldn’t drop a tier. So much drama for nothing.

Funny, desolation overcame vizunah nightcapping, just like SFR did in the previous match up.

If this doesn’t prove that vizunah aren’t all that big thing without nightcappers, I really don’t know what could prove it.

To be honest, NOBODY would be that big thing without night and morning cappers, including SFR and deso and all the other servers. This is just a poor design choice, that better coverage > skill.

vespers.1759:

the stealth is ridiculous, but add in the damage and it’s just a total joke.

the fact that any class can dish 7k dmg by pushing 1 button ( which can be pushed multiple times) just shows what a joke pvp in this game is.

You again! When will you finish complaining about thief and start using non zerker gear?

It’s a simple question.

Hypothesis:

• I have a 50% critical chance
• 3000 attack
• 50% critical damage

What’s better between adding 100 more power or 10% critical damage in terms of pure DPS?

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

“Operation Bohica” is old news… we decided this morning to let Viz stay in t1 for another week (maybe 2 if we are feeling generous).

It’s like.. it’s like if I had had a deja vu right now.

Spam the auto-attack, go away from the core of the combat when you’re half hp (instead of staying there and using the heal skill) and heal yourself, since when you’re away from the “blob” you’ll be able to use all skills. Do not even try to use other skills which are not autoattack, they simple won’t activate/will activate too late.

vespers.1759:

they’re still going to be insanely overpowered. they will still stealth every 3 seconds and still dish out 8k+ hits.

wait and see.

SHHH, nobody has to know that I’m glad that they adjusted culling since, as a scout in WvWvW, it just made my job harder. Also, I’m glad that they fixed “stealth culling”, so nobody will cry again about thieves. And I will still be able to kill anyone :P

ethier.3417:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEyMSR_o964

VcY said hello to VZ Lions Arch.

As caic would say: “AWESOME!”

BTW this match up only prooves what has been prooved 2 months ago when SFR had nightcappers (PRX): Vizunah without night and morning cappers is a mediocre server.

And this is kinda sad, since it means that only the server with better coverage can win, not the most skilled one.

vespers.1759:

Frenk.5917:

vespers.1759:

Frenk.5917:

vespers.1759:

Frenk.5917:

I thought this was a funny topic with hilarious pics, instead it’s just another “OMG I got killed, nerf that, nerf this, QQ” thread. I was even about to post some funny pics.. /sad

yes indeed it is. why? because after months of being two shotted you start to get a little annoyed with it all.

maybe you should try to play one of these neglected classes and i can guarantee you’ll be QQing right along with the rest.

Funny thing is I did. I leveled a warrior just to discover why people hate thieves so bad. You know what? I have never been killed by a glass cannon thief. And since I find eles the most annyong class I’m now leveling one in order to discover how to beat them.

This could have been such an epic thread..

no no i meant a neglected class not a warrior. do you even pvp?

A neglected class? Oh fine, so the problem is YOUR RANGER, not thieves. And nope, I don’t pvp. I wvwvw, and you?

begone thief!

/stealths

vespers.1759:

Frenk.5917:

vespers.1759:

Frenk.5917:

I thought this was a funny topic with hilarious pics, instead it’s just another “OMG I got killed, nerf that, nerf this, QQ” thread. I was even about to post some funny pics.. /sad

yes indeed it is. why? because after months of being two shotted you start to get a little annoyed with it all.

maybe you should try to play one of these neglected classes and i can guarantee you’ll be QQing right along with the rest.

Funny thing is I did. I leveled a warrior just to discover why people hate thieves so bad. You know what? I have never been killed by a glass cannon thief. And since I find eles the most annyong class I’m now leveling one in order to discover how to beat them.

This could have been such an epic thread..

no no i meant a neglected class not a warrior. do you even pvp?

A neglected class? Oh fine, so the problem is YOUR RANGER, not thieves. And nope, I don’t pvp. I wvwvw, and you?

vespers.1759:

Frenk.5917:

I thought this was a funny topic with hilarious pics, instead it’s just another “OMG I got killed, nerf that, nerf this, QQ” thread. I was even about to post some funny pics.. /sad

yes indeed it is. why? because after months of being two shotted you start to get a little annoyed with it all.

maybe you should try to play one of these neglected classes and i can guarantee you’ll be QQing right along with the rest.

Funny thing is I did. I leveled a warrior just to discover why people hate thieves so bad. You know what? I have never been killed by a glass cannon thief. And since I find eles the most annyong class I’m now leveling one in order to discover how to beat them.

This could have been such an epic thread..

I thought this was a funny topic with hilarious pics, instead it’s just another “OMG I got killed, nerf that, nerf this, QQ” thread. I was even about to post some funny pics.. /sad

Snapple.9251:

Congrats SFR, there’s no doubt that you were the strongest server this week.
I also find it kinda funny the way in which you finally got ahead. A bit of the old taste of their own medicine.

That’s pretty much the essence of T1. If you want to win, you HAVE to night/morning cap. Blah.

Frenk.5917:

Nightcap Begins

A movie by Lé monsieur Frenk

Starring:

1. Vizunah’s Square as main actor
2. Seafarer’s Rest and Desolation as background actors
3. Pugs from all over the world

What the world said about the movie:

“Brilliant movie, it shows how some people are just not in need of rest.. what am I supposed to do in order to kill them?” – Freddy Krueger from “Nightmare”
“The seafarers rest too much” – Jack Sparrow from “Seafarers of the Caribbean”
“It’s just a desolation in here” – Deso fanboy

Genre: Horror
Release Date: 2 March 2013
Movie Poster:

LADIES & GENTLEMEN
I’m glad to announce you the sequel of Nightcap Begins: “The Dark Night”

Plot
This movie talks about how some French guys are trying to not to rest in order to avoid Freddy Krueger from “Nightmare” to kill them. Also, they are so scared by doors that, while they’re awake, they HAVE to destroy them all. Oh, pirates are also in the movie, but they have a small impact on the plot.

Starring:

1. Vizunah’s Square as main actor, with an incredible talent truly shown in this movie
2. LOTS OF DOORS as co-main actors
3. Seafarer’s Rest as the antagonist, a sleepy one.
4. Desolation as the boy who sells popcorn

What the world said about us:
“They truly represent the importance of not having a job” – the homeless guy who lives behind my house
“Hodor” – Hodor
“We are tired of nightcapping, we promise it will have an end!” – a politician before elections

Genre: Horror
Release date: 4 MARCH 2013
Movie Poster

Nightcap Begins

A movie by Lé monsieur Frenk

Starring:

1. Vizunah’s Square as main actor
2. Seafarer’s Rest and Desolation as background actors
3. Pugs from all over the world

What the world said about the movie:

“Brilliant movie, it shows how some people are just not in need of rest.. what am I supposed to do in order to kill them?” – Freddy Krueger from “Nightmare”
“The seafarers rest too much” – Jack Sparrow from “Seafarers of the Caribbean”
“It’s just a desolation in here” – Deso fanboy

Genre: Horror
Release Date: 2 March 2013
Movie Poster:

Rayya.2591:

Amshaa.7492:

WvWvW’s joy :

When SFR tried to reach T1…
“http://www.topito.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Gif-9.gif”

When Sacrx will eventually get to T1 and set up his Operation Pesticide…
“http://i.imgur.com/9zsLQ.gif”

;)

imo you should delete your post)

Oh, why should he? Though the gifs are not representing the truth they’re still funny

And, fanfa, I’ve never seen that video before, GENIUS!

Zepolak.2095:

Sacrx.6721:

This just gives me time to focus everything all week on JS so kodash come 2nd and then when elona come down they go t3 after double german focus just for some love i give to JS. Then i look forward to seeing Viz and js together in t2.

Who is this ?
There will be this and that. Then that and this.
A god or something ?

A sort of.

BTW, Vizunah, thanks for showing some sportsmanship. You probably know that you’re not really famous for doing this kind of things.

Mubarizun.6435:

Please don’t think you are winning your 1v1’s through skill. Most of us could not see you for more than a few seconds and did not have enough aoe to burst you down before you safely disappeared to the other side of the map.

The game engine and your artificially long invisibility are the reason for your wins.

Oh no, you hurt my feelings. I surely stop killing weak players, after what you’ve said.

lLobo.7960:

I hope something is done to avoid this kind of thing, so you cant send group invites to enemies on WvW….

I hope it remains like this. Just because you can use a knife both to cook and to kill someone it doesn’t mean we should destroy all the knives in the world.

Actually I found a lots of friends this way and I managed to organize duels and small group fights. You can always reject a party invitation or, if he keeps whispering you, block him. I still chat frequently with a friend in deso, and I still organize duels against some of my friends from other servers

I use a 10-30-30-0-0 build, but I won’t suggest you that. Instead, I’ll try to make better your actual build. This is what I suggest you:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYQQNAsaVlcmaOHfS6E95Ex2DfKUeypooGtTxV1KA

As you can see, I removed 15 points from Trickery. This way you can choose either to put them in critical strikes (to deal more damage) or in shadow arts (to gain regen while in stealth). Depending on what you choose before, you should replace signet of agility with shadowstep or shadow refuge. Also, I put 5 points in acrobatics in order to get assassin’s reward. In my personal build (10-30-30-0-0) I chose both dps and stealth regen. You may want to try this too.

Shanks R Us.2489:

The sigils only work when you’re in combat.

Yeah I know. Although I don’t play spvp, I’m not a noob of the game. Still, sometimes, when I swap the weapon set they don’t activate at all, not even the graphic effect.

How do I join a tournament? Do they require a certain level?

Hi guys, I’m new to the spvp. I’ve been playing WvWvW for months, but since it completely lacks of what we know it lacks (well, YOU spvp players might not know, but since it’s a huge topic I’d rather skip explanations) I tried out spvp.

Well, so far I have to say it’s kinda funny. Not really deep, but funny. Even so I noticed that some of the sigils which activates on weapon swap don’t work: I’m talking about the superior sigil of the geomancer and the superior sigil of hydrimancer. Is this a known bug? Is it going to be fixed?

Secondly, how can I get a better looking skin? Is it just random (like the items you get from the chests) or does it require a certain level? I would like to obtain my mix between duelist and cultural tier 3 set, which I have in wvwvw, in spvp too, but how?

Thanks in advance.

As thief, there’s a better way to permastealth (maxed up shadow arts trait, with some clever major trait choice)

CnD, wait 4 seconds, CnD, wait 4 seconds, CnD, wait 4 seconds, Shadow Refuge, wait 12 seconds → repeat.

This way you are more annoying, since you actually deal damage, but you have to rely on the enemy’s presence in order to hit with CnD. This is imho fairer than blindg powder + leap finisher, since this can’t stealth you in every situation.

laquito.5269:

Took a while to figure them. : )

I actually got mad about your stat since were better than mine in EVERY way. Then I realized I didn’t use nourishments, nor oils, nor I took the pic with fury and other buffs on

That’s pretty suspiscious. In spvp CnD has been nerfed, but it still hit for 6k. Probably the mesemer was full berserker too (and that’s why he took so much damage) but it’s still TOO much damage taken. In wvwvw this never happens, and CnD hasn’t been nerfed in wvwvw.

I mean, I CAN hit that hard, but only vs low levels, not against a fully geared mesmer.

While I don’t agree about the siege weapons I do agree about walls being useless for defenders. A fix could be:

1) Find a way to not to force defenders to stand on the very edge of the walls in order to effectively hit attackers. This would help to lessen the pulls and the effectiveness of the small AoEs, since only the largest AoE could hit defenders, who are no more forced to stand on the edge, who are trying to hit attackers.

2) Do not let defenders place AC in spots which are not reachable by attackers. This would mean that siege weapons could stil be placed in spots which are not within the range of the normal enemy AoEs but ARE within the range of e.g. enemy AC.

3) Provide a defense bonus for defenders on the walls. For example a 5% damage reduction for people standing in wooden walls, 10% in reinforced walls and 20% in fortified walls.

Talmor.9048:

Rule #4: Grab at least one good stun break. Two is better. You will be stunned. Thieves love it.

I liked this one

Suralin.3947:

What? Thief not good for a zerg? Please! A single thief can cause havoc on a siege line. Stack for condition, place caltrops, sneak your way to the line, drop your caltrops, CnD the siege, and watch 10 people carelessly hack the air while you’re causing cripple & bleeds and preventing them from helping out the main zerg offensive. Need to escape? Drop shadow refuge a safe distance away where the enemy isn’t looking, blinding powder, or Dagger Storm your way out. Sure, not a lot of kills, but if your definitely helping out your zerg and when your zerg finally gets to you, you’ll be surrounded by loot bags.

Nope. You probably run with unorganized zergs and against unorganized zergs. I’m talking about guild vs guild zerg fights. Here’s why aren’t easy to play in that situation:

1) Conditions are easily removed = condition based build isn’t viable.
2) you HAVE to stik to your commander = all thieves escapes aren’t viable (no SR, no Shadowstep, no runs to go away and get out of combat.
3) Low HP pool and low toughness = easily killed.

Thieves in random wvwvw zergs are fine just as any of the other professions.

*Please notice that I’m not saying thieves aren’t good in wvwvw, just that they require more … hmm… dedication to be effectively played.

Hide in Shadows, Shadow’s rejuvenation, 7500 hp restored in 4 seconds + an extra backstab and 2-4 stacks of might.

NOT a thief, if you aren’t a good thief player. Low hp pool and low toughness make thieves hard to be effectively played in wvwvw. If all you want to do is just spamming an aoe from the distance thief is fine. If you want to be REALLY effective with not that much effort a warrior would be a better choice.

Oglaf.1074:

How is it a troll thread?

You asked a question, we gave you replies, you refused them.

Troll thread.

Use Infiltrator’s Arrow in the middle of an enemy zerg, switch weapons to have one more sigil (dagger/dagger, usually) —→ daggerstorm with steal life food --→ profit.

I know that you can also use the #2 sword skill and shadowstep but this is another way to do that.

Condition builds are annoying mostly for warriors and guardians, because they can’t not let the thief just stand there and wait for them to die.

Hi guys, I am from SFR, a server which has been in T1 for some weeks and has recently dropped a tier on porpouse after reaching #1 position in EU ladder 3 weeks ago.

What I’m here to say is that being in T1 doesn’t mean you will enjoy the game more. Actually, is the exact opposite. You HAVE to play defensively if you want to win, you HAVE to PvD if you want to win, you HAVE to have the biggest numbers if you want to win. It absolutely requires no skill to be in T1.

Here in T2 we are against Jade Sea and Kodash, two wonderful opponents which make the fights funnier. You have less blobs, more fights, more sieges, MOAR FUN. Being in T1 you had none of these (now I can understand why desolation is so disappointed they went into t1 again) and it was even boring.

When we showed up for the first time in T1 we were like “oh here we go, it’s gonna be a funny week” now that we have dropped on purpose in T2 we are like “Oh god thanks, we’re FINALLY out of t1”.

SFR aim is to be back in T1 next week, I know, but really.. what’s the point in being in T1? There are actually a lot of good guilds in lower tiers, so reputation isn’t one.

It happens because often people try to do something their class is not supposed to do.

A guardian can’t easily kill a thief? He ISN’T supposed to easily kill ANYTHING.
A warrior whines because he can’t run away as fastly as a thief? He ISN’T supposed to be able to escape easily!

We, as thieves, don’t moan because we’re not able to tank 5 people, or to cast spells from the distance, or to survive inside a zerg fight.

Even if this wasn’t the WvW patch I was expecting something more, like the AoE nerf or WvW daily.

But but but… is that all?

It’s incredible how a lot of people asking the same thing of the OP were not answered while just beacuse the OP asked advice from EXPERT thieves there are a lot of answers.

Oh, I forgot to mention that with “third sword skill” I mean flanking strike, not pistol whip

As I said before, I’m not concerning about the damage output of sword, but about it’s sinergy with the rest of thief’s skill.
I’m talking about something like ankle shot and ricochet. Moreover pistol mastery only affects pistol skills and dagger training only affects dagger skills. But I’m not sure if this has been changed.