Guild Wars 2

Not that DH are orcs or anything, you’re probably snazzy dressers, but at this point we’re digging in like it’s Helm’s deep awaiting your orc’en horde now that you guys are waking up.

It’s pretty kitten scary sometimes.

Whoever ran the counterrush on bay last night when we were capping it on DH’s map…and then you swarmed us…omg that was nice X.×.....ack…my pancreas still hurts the next morning

I don’t think ANYbody expected this…:D

Anet got the best of ALL of us.

zTales.4392:

vincecontix.1264:

Let me clear up something for some of you nsp players. Ioj never had any arrangement alliance or agreement with DH to double team on you. For the first part of the week it was common knowledge among the most of the ioj commanders not to touch anything blue but after your constant poking and flipping of our stuff (for me it was on tuesday when you flipped our fully upgraded bay I really like having a wp in that keep) I decided without discussing it with the other commanders that I would be concentrating on NSP for the rest of the week and as it turned out several other ioj commanders had the same idea.

At that point ioj did not make a proposition to DH to target nsp with us. Simply of our own accord we decided to give most out attention to nsp in retaliation for flipping our stuff. Then of course you will retaliate back then we will retaliate again then so on and so on. DH attacked whoever they wanted that’s the luxury they had because of there massive lead. Did ioj take advantage of situations when we knew you were vulnerable and weakened? you be we did. It would have been stupid not to.

WvW is a 3 way fight by design it gonna be 2v1 constantly the fact the some people are complaining about it and going so far as to call it cheating is hilarious

Anyway great fight nsp some of you guys are really good had some good 1v1 and small group action wish you guys all the best for the reset.

Edit: sorry if my post seems like a mess did on my phone while at work.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/6-14-IoJ-NSP-DH/page/8#post2256403

You were saying? Granted, apparently DH asked IoJ if they wanted to do it, but still. Also, Mr. Nomnom threatened to go for our throats. ;P

2v1 isn’t cheating, and it’s expected in WvWvW. However, when it’s vs the last place server, it’s annoying and lame.

Nerdrage happened, apology was made (by me, publicly). Talks were made between me and Bird Song to let everyone (mainly me) cool off for 24h and just let the next day play out, everyone just lay off each other.

Within 1 hour of that talk, 3 towers on IOJ’s BL had turned blue.

That was enough for us. And this was already after SM.

Think we’ll all feel a hell of a lot better when we get a couple of weeks apart.

Banzie.5248:

melodey.4652:

zTales.4392:

melodey.4652:

lol @ people complaining about getting hit from both sides in Eternal Battlegrounds.
The moment you enter that map you forfeit any right to complain about double teaming or having to deal with 2 servers. Yes, having to juggle offense and defense from two opposing sides is the point.

The point is that IoJ expected NSP to take part in some combined effort against DH. Even though NSP is focusing DH, we’re not going to leave IoJ alone. So IoJ complains when we attack them, even though it’s WvWvW, not 2WvW. They then get so kitten ed off that they decide to declare an all-out bloodbath against NSP, and coordinate with DH to smash NSP into the ground even more.

That’s silly, is it not?

P.S. That doesn’t apply to all IoJ players, I know. :P

I think we all need this reminder.

+1

+1

Everyone’s already gotten their “last word” in 3 times now. Just drop it already, people, jesus.

I made a reply, it got badly formatted, wasn’t even worth redoing it.

pfffft.

You’re not gonna get or retain more oceanics if you pick fights with servers that would rather fight another server but get tired of dealing with ya and would rather vent their frustration on ya for the rest of the week. Like i said, your pug population will suffer, recruiting will suffer, oceanic presence will suffer. You’re not helping yourself at all by any of this.

If you wanna rebuild, you gotta rebuild smart. Doing things that have consequences that hurt your server’s population is dumb and you should feel dumb.

And you wonder why you have a lower population, and continue to? You guys are good, but you’re not gonna get any bigger by doing things that provoke a double team that leave you with tier 1/2 keeps going into your prime.

Y’all really don’t have the big picture thought out at all, do ya…

Noroz it never was about “winning” against NSP. You guys have our respect when it comes to skill. Believe me. We all feel that way. Our grudge comes from the way we play—we hit the biggest server constantly, week after week, no matter what. I dunno on what page or who said we were “better.” kitten that, you guys are outstanding players. Who the kitten said that? They oughta be castrated. You guys rock.

Stonemist may have been one time, but hey…If you don’t want to deal with the consequences, don’t do it. Like i said from the day it happened. This is more about payback due to frustration vs. trying to win vs. a team that we have no business fighting when there’s another bigger server to fight.

It’s a week-long match. If you kitten off a team you deal with the consequences. Neither of us are more right than the other, this is simply how we deal with it. A lot of NSP were like “lol whatever” on tuesday night, and happily farmed us into oblivion. We got our arses handed to us on a blue platter with little blue toothpicks sticking into each of our little green arses.

When Wed. and Thurs. came around and our Oceanics turned up the heat, suddenly it was “oh well we got all these stats that say we rocked your face anyway.” I mean make up your mind. Do you care or not? I do. Both servers hitting DH means DH actually has to sweat it out, and hey on thursday/friday all THREE servers dictate who gets 1st, not 1 server deciding who gets 2nd. Way more fun, right?

Rob.7624:

Alright so I’m just awake.
I have to say reading these last 2 pages saddens me.

Its a shame I have to share WvW with idiots.
This is like watching all those WoW nubs screaming and getting excited over Kungfu Panda online coming out.

Attacking the third place server when you’re first makes you bad. And you should feel bad.

Now looking at those split coloured maps. Yeh I can see a bit of someone QQ’ing about something in there. Most definitely.
But knowing its IoJ and that they’re so mad they can only attack NSP just makes me howl in laughter.
Hold on. Hold on. What has your endeavourer cost you?
-40 rating
LOOOL
NSP? Nearly +30

Maybe we’re doing so much better and care a lot less because we can count. LOL

DevonCarver
The concept of tiers has little meaning at this point and you should try to stop thinking of matchups in those terms. Servers are matched up by proximity of rating, not proximity of “tier”. If the tiers have ratings that are within the range of the random adjustment, they can end up fighting each other. This is going to result in blowouts, no doubt about it. However, we are not going to make changes to this after just 2 weeks of the system. There are things we can do. We will almost certainly end up adjusting the total added to each server rating to group the matchups a little more closely. First however, we need to let the ratings adjust by having more varied matchups like these. If you look at EU, which is using the exact same system, you can see matchups with numerous surprising results. The same will likely be true by the end of the NA matchup.
TL;DR: We are going to wait at least a couple more weeks before changing any of the math behind the new system, but it is very likely we’ll decrease the size of the variation at some point.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Server-Match-up-is-TERRIBLE/first

But hey, nobody cares, right?

Right.

And @ Bird Song, within 1 hour of our little discussion about "let’s see how the next 24h plays out, 3 towers in our BL had flipped blue.

Can’t wait to play you guys again sometime.

You’re good players, tenacious fighters, and the golem defense taught us something we haven’t seen before. But like we said on Tuesday…just deal with it. We’re tired of this kitten thread anyway.

Tukmolytes.3467:

Otters.1567:

Tukmolytes.3467:

I love my new garrison but I think it needs some repainting. Is green ok with you guys?

No, paint it the color of PvDoor. Ty.

OMG not another PvDoor rant. 40 NSP is not PvDoor dude, try to count. You got resistance in there.

It’s a week long fight. Like we said, deal with it. You’ll take our stuff, we’ll take your stuff, both sides will make screenshots doin’ their timezone of fame, and life goes on.

Thank you, oceanics. I sure felt a little silly over last night, lol. Whatever you had to drink last night, keep drinkin’ it!

I think both teams got this out of their system at this point, yeah? Might as well go back to bein’ normal peoples again. edit but of course that’s easy to say when you get the last word in…AND THIS IS THE INTERNETS.

“as far as NSP and IOJ go, i hope you folks can squash your lovers quarrel and team up to give us a fight. the past couple evenings ive gotten so bored of the Rinse and Repeat that ive actually gone AFK to watch Bridezillas…..”

Can’t say I didn’t try, sir

We can brag back and forth over blitzing keep blitzes all day. Our EB keep got snagged again, we just got NSP’s hills and garri. If you play the “nobody cares” card and suddenly post 5 screenshots about how awesome you are about a keep ninja..yeah that doesn’ twork, bird. We’ve all hypocraziced (is that even a word?) ourselves into oblivion here…just gonna be happy when this is over.

We’re all hypocrites. Ruby jewels for everyone! 100% hypocritical damage

/thread

Welp…we both take and retake right away, neither side really holding anything for longer than a few minutes at best. So I guess both sides are full of kitten, eh? QQ about ratings or whatnot, doesn’t change the fact that it still takes both servers to take DH off of 1st.

Enjoy the rest of the week.

edit if nothing else you’ve proven to be stubborn, tenacious fookers even if we don’t agree on week-long strategies.

THE Dentist.5960:

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

Oh bulbasaur, we read the forums……oh we do indeed…….

With popcorn in hand I am hoping!

Doesn’t really matter though. Without both of us putting pressure on DH, they get the match. It’d take constant pressure, the vast majority of the week, for DH to not come in first. Which didn’t happen, won’t happen, and will not happen. So congrats to DH.

Don’t get me wrong, this is far from a blowout. It’s actually a pretty good matchup. But there’s still a clearly dominating server, and yeah blah blah read the last few pages.

Wild Bulbasaur.1938:

Why is IoJ so kitten that NSP doesn’t want to team up? it goes three ways, you guys shouldn’t freak out cause they took the castle. its obviously not a big deal anyway (except to seemingly everyone on my server.)

Simply put, DH has the most people overall in the most timezones overall, thus they ought to get treated like the biggest threat. But this is a philosophy only IoJ seems to have. As Bird put it, everyone would rather have fun and farm Wxp, and going 3-way is the easiest way to do that most of the time. Trouble is it leaves one team as a goliath most of the week.

It wasn’t just the castle. It’s been the constant poking back and forth. The castle was the last straw. Page 3 has a little more in depth explanation as to why.

Either way, we’re fed up. Diploscussions were nice, but both sides wanna hit each other anyway. Time for both sides to deploy badge dispen—-er SIEGE! Either way we’ll have fun.

nyckolag.2394:

P.S. Oh and I was that mesmer in QL as I said on page 3 or something! I hope your pugs were as confused as the rest of you looked when an IoJ Knight popped up next to your AC’s. I tried to do a /dance but my casting animations wouldn’t let me

He’s so cute when he tries to ninja.

Rob.7624:

GavinGoodrich.1382:

Rob.7624:

I mean. That wasn’t very hard. DH would have walked through them.

It was ready for DH. Not you. You know…the server that’s the actual main threat in this match? Oh right you wanna pretend to play for 2nd…right.

Taking DH’s keep when they’re dug in deep, in high ground, while IOJ is bleeding people out of their prime time and overextended, going into euro time is gonna require a double team, full out, for several hours, including help from NSP.

Which ain’t gonna happen, right? So we waited for DH. Then the sucker punch happened.

Have you taken the time to look at DH’s bl at any point today.

Smitry Song.

But can I ask how we are any different from an invading DH force?
I mean.
Like thanks for the compliment but, anyone with stealth could have walked up to that third floor.
Which is what we did

The 3rd floor was because you caught us compleeeeeeeetely off guard. Hell most of us died in the lord’s room that were meant to be up there. Total ambush and nice job. Crappy scouting on our end. My literal reaction was “WHAT!?!?!??!?!!?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOkittenRUN EVERYONE RUN 3rd FLOOOR RNOOOOOOOO”

But there’s more to it than just runnin’ around cappin’ it. I mean if you wanna really put the screws to the winning server you gotta really hold that north end for a while, even an hour or two. I mean they just took it right back. I saw ya take it but it flipped back faster than Megan Fox on a casting couch. Then they came right back to EB.

edit—i edit a lot apparently, so bad at foruming and that’ll pull more people off of EB tryin’ to get garrison back so you can time a nice golem rush on the north keep or something…

zTales.4392:

Oh, and if IoJ is planning to pull something like that, how about letting us know? Otherwise, it’s all your fault. There are no excuses. We would have been happy to collaborate.

Your fighting style is different than ours. That’s obvious. You shouldn’t have assumed that we’d do what you wanted us to do.

That’s one very important thing that I’ve learned about WvW. NEVER assume.

Well…i’d disagree there.

There’s always the “hit red, not the other color” thing…

Rob.7624:

I mean. That wasn’t very hard. DH would have walked through them.

It was ready for DH. Not you. You know…the server that’s the actual main threat in this match? Oh right you wanna pretend to play for 2nd…right.

Taking DH’s keep when they’re dug in deep, in high ground, while IOJ is bleeding people out of their prime time and overextended, going into euro time is gonna require a double team, full out, for several hours, including help from NSP.

Which ain’t gonna happen, right? So we waited for DH. Then the sucker punch happened.

melodey.4652:

Honestly in a system as moronic and unbalanced as the one we were handed, we’re pretty lucky to get relatively balanced matchups. I get IOJ’s morale issues, when we first started playing you in the words of the fine gentleman Hijaxx, you “lifted your skirts for AR” and were nowhere to be found. That’s certainly not the case anymore. Hell, NSP probably remembers waving at us as we passed them by on our way down to T7 in January. Morale is a slippery slope, one that every server in the bottom half has ridden down. In time people replace the ones that left, enough youtube videos of ~superior!T1 tactics~ get shared, and one day we look in the mirror and realize we’re a completely different server than the one from 3… 6… 8 months ago. So have some fun and keep stabbing and arrow carting each other to death. <3

yeah, you’re probably right.

But regarding 3rd page bottom: Some of you guys need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. 1 team holding stonemist away from the dominant team in a good D position, great. That frees up you guys to run around in either their paper towers up north for massive ppt, or half their paper borderlands you just ransacked for massive PPT, etc etc.

Or you can get sucked into Stonemist Syndrome for laughs using ‘cause it’s neutral as a justification, and not expect the other team to retaliate, sucking up more of your manpower, hurting your ppt, etc etc, blah blah.

You can use all the justifications you want, but all you do is hurt yourself when you hit anything but the bigger team. So don’t come cryin’ to us if our oceanics decide to play with blue instead of red tonight while we try to hold the fort down until they arrive

You’re one of the smaller servers in this matchup and you’d rather team up against the other smaller server.

tragic.

There’s a lot of different philosophies on how “wvw should be.” I’ve said my peace, I’ll allow everyone to say theirs.

IoJ has our own way, as a majority, how we deal with the 3 way. Just be prepared to deal with the rest of the week as-is based on how you’ve played it…your way.

Dude, Rob, I already congratulated u and the SM team. What I’m making the callout on is the much more consistent double team you’re about to get, which is gonna add to your stress. Way to be smug for no reason.

zTales.4392:

GavinGoodrich.1382:

DH was trebbing QL and it was basically gonna flip to them. We were going for it to deny DH from taking it, so you could flip it back.

That’s not every situation, I don’t speak for EVERY IoJ’er, but I sure as hell speak for most of our commanders and most of our zergers at this point. We WANT to pick fights with the bigger server as a habit.

You’ll probably never believe me, but we had a mesmer in QL after you guys took it when you pushed us out…it looked like you guys were gonna hold against DH…so I called the mesmer OUT. You found him shortly after but I asked him to leave. Yeah. True story.

Stonemist today was the last straw, though.

I believe you. I was there, by the way. That Asura Mesmer? Yea, I helped kill him/her.

But you know what? As soon as we got QL’s walls repaired, no more than 5 minutes later, IoJ took QL. While nobody was paying attention. Yea, that thing I mentioned about IoJ taking QL while nobody was watching it? That was when it happened. Spent 15+ minutes fending off DH with the walls down, only to have IoJ take it 10 minutes later. Like I said, I spent about 2 hours and 1g+ on that tower. I was reeeeeaalllly kitten ed for the half hour afterwards, but I got over it. Why? It’s WvWvW.

So don’t tell us that you don’t attack us, because you do. Taking STONEMIST, of all things, is not something that you should be complaining about. Whose territory is it in? Nobody’s. It’s neutral territory.

Please, calm down. Seriously. It’s not like we took your keep. Then I’d understand. This, however, I don’t. I understand being frustrated, but declaring a blood-bath over it is childish.

Of course, but you gotta understand there’s consequences to hitting the “wrong” server. There’s two reasons I don’t hit other small server:

1. it’s hard enough fighting off the big server, dealing with retaliation, hell DH can’t handle both of us 24/7.

2. I normally don’t hold grudges, but everyone has their breaking point. A lot of other people on IoJ reached theirs, I reached mine today. DH give us enough fights, double teaming brings stress. You stress us out, we’ll go stress you out

DH was trebbing QL and it was basically gonna flip to them. We were going for it to deny DH from taking it, so you could flip it back.

That’s not every situation, I don’t speak for EVERY IoJ’er, but I sure as hell speak for most of our commanders and most of our zergers at this point. We WANT to pick fights with the bigger server as a habit.

You’ll probably never believe me, but we had a mesmer in QL after you guys took it when you pushed us out…it looked like you guys were gonna hold against DH…so I called the mesmer OUT. You found him shortly after but I asked him to leave. Yeah. True story.

Stonemist today was the last straw, though.

THE Dentist.5960:

So ALL of IoJ’s stuff is Off limits! Got it!

But wait EB is fair game right?!? That was what I was told. Hmmm so confused! Just can’t win with you guys.

Btw thanks for all of the bags at out EB keep. My Omega was hungry!

You want us, deal with the consequences. There’s no hope for fending off both DH and us. We’ve mostly been pushing DH all week. Now deal with both teams, one that wants a lot of payback for weak-kitten cherry picking.

Go for 1st or get camped at your spawn. You wanna go for IoJ when DH is the bigger threat and it takes BOTH of our servers to hold ’em back, then deal with the consequences.

So…NSP just shot themselves in the foot for the rest of the week.

IOJ is all about fighting the stronger opponent, and hopefully getting some help from the other smaller opponent (in this case, NSP)

About 30 minutes ago we had stonemist, and were patiently waiting for DH to come for it. We happily watched while NSP sacked towers we took like OW, vel, etc, and cheered for ‘em while they sacked DH’s map to oblivion.

NSP tried a sucker punch on SM, but it got deflected. No harm, no foul, really.

Bout…an hour? Later. NSP successfully sucker punch/bumrush paper gates on SM and take it out from under us, probably about 30 mins before DH had the #’s and towers ready to take SM (they were still trebbing from keep, etc)

We attempted a rage golem rush on your keep, which failed, kudos. And kudos on the SM ninja. But you just screwed yourself for the rest of the week, and more or less made it go from "challenging and fun to “wtf double team wtf bullkitten ioj” ’cause you wanted to go for “lol cherry pick.”

Think before you ninja. A lot of people were angry and asking me to storm blue when I tagged up, and by the time I tagged down, I’m ready to go full-out blood feud with a bunch of cherry-picking idiots who just ruined the next few days for their server.

post-rage edit this is directed at the dudes who went for the sucker punches. There ARE some wise commanders on NSP…yesterday there was a beautiful double team on DH at ogrewatch, really glorious stuff. You might wanna talk to your other commanders about the consequences about the “easy target” though…‘cause it’s about to cost you.

2 questions:

1.
Specifically, is there a way Anet can put this in later on? Just to make camp upgrading less stressful when you’re zerg full of pugs comes zooming through and…well…you know how that goes xD

Yes there’s 90 bajillion ways to ASK, TELL, or THREATEN, but in the end it’s their button push on their end of the keyboard, not ours. I’d love to have some way to handle that, other than leaving our more clutch players back at camp to wait for it to reload.

Punishing clutch players for other people’s derps seems wrong, don’t it? Any way we can fix this by “re-stuffing” small amounts of our supply back in? I’m sure plenty of us would even be willing to do this at a penalty to our own supply, too, if necessary. Can just have a separate node for it, like at the actual mill/mine/quarry portion of the camp.

2.
Is there any way we can manually run supply to a tower/keep/castle, even with a MASSIVE penalty? I’m talking like…putting 1 in for every 10 you have. Enough to make it totally not worth doing all the time, only in emergency situations.

50 people doing 10 supply converted into 1 supply dumped into a tower still doesn’t even equal 1 upgraded yak, but it still helps in a pinch. And it’s nice to have that option once in a while. How many times has each server taken/had something taken at 99% of an upgrade? I’ts just nice to have more options.

Thoughts?

Zackie.8923:

i actually wished they brought back the orbs.

it’s so much fun with orbs around.

I hope they come back too, just modified. Like mega-magic find or something 25% increase to whole server or something nutty. there’s like a billion cool options out there that wouldn’t break the servers and not make it more lopsided for an already-winning server that has orb(s)…anet just needs to pick a few stats n’ redo ’em

Was gonna do this elaborate article on the “why not” nature of the never-ending dynamic events just waiting for players brave enough to try them, and the “you gonna let ’em talk to your FarrarMomma that way” nature of defending what’s yours, but i’m just way too kitten tired.

WvW alone made a portion of this game good enough to make me quit eve online, a game I was almost hopelessly addicted to for four years. And it’s gotten better since then. Figured that was worth a shout out.

Bravo anet. Maybe this week I can do it better justice with a proper write up.

Some of the improvements since it came out:

Got rid of unbalanced orbs
Culling removed, easier to not run into 50 people
siege rebalance, repolish
Wvw bonuses, ranks,m wvw traits
more rewards for wvw’in
At least an attempt at fixing matchup system (better than nothing, you self-entitled whiners)
Siege timers and doubled the despawn time on both building and regular use (my fav, probably)
General rebalancing to most classes, with others in the works.

Grimno.6172:

I just wanted to say, to the NSP Assaulter at Durios who was trying to destroy the Arrow Cart used to take out the treb hitting SM…
You made my day.
After the first few attempts of landing on that rocky outcrop and me using “Fear Me” and “Rifle Butt” to knock you off, was overshadowed by that epic jump you had made.
Using Signet of Rage for speed after we exchanged gestures, and then leaping off Durios, only to undershoot the jump completely but not to the point of a complete miss, but enough so you hit the slopped side causing fall damage for 1/4 your HP and then falling into the water where you were then ripped to pieces by the incoming DH forces… was side painfully hilarious…

kitten …/adds to bucket list….

kitten that was a harsh friday night. I was all set to take kidney shots in the fetal position in the garrison but it never came (once we took it back real fast)…Counter was able to keep the pressure elsewhere the entire night.

NSP was harrassing us, but their presence was small and everyone knew it. At least on our map. The solution? Deke out DH into defense for a moment, then swing the zerghammer into NSP to get them off the map, at least for a while, to remove the threat.

Our little blockade at the south end of hills was fun…glad it worked. Was nice to watch another commander pull out every trick he could think of to try and ninja Bay, but the reaction time of the DH commander(s) was usually a few seconds fast enough, and the numbers were too many.

Then sleep started to kick in…and IoJ’s famous oceanic presence took over. DH began damage control the best they could…but the frenzy of reset night takes a toll on all us north americans and the map starts to speak for itself…

P.S. nice two-pronged attack on bay/hills at once, forcing us to choose which keep we wanted. Then nice ninja of hills out from under us. This wasn’t our best night for scouts….

DH was big before, just seems bigger this time around

Gravy.7589:

Where have these numbers been IOJ? Are you a fickle server like SBI, when it comes to wvw?

A lot of it has to do with us being midweek rebounders. It happens a lot.

Living story type events usually throw a heavier wrench in our spokes than many servers.

I’m one of the more active commanders and even I was farming my kitten off this week. Blegh. Ripple effect from that obviously worked it’s way down to a lot of people, no doubt.

Frankly we went into this thinking SBI would just come out crushing both of us (crushing meaning have at least a 20k point lead) and AR at least holding their own but playing for 2nd.

We were DEAD wrong. AR has rebounded like you wouldn’t believe since IoJ got most of their main WvW’ers about…6-7 months ago. Since then we’ve been doing our own recovery since most of THEM went to SoR (I think anyway) and frankly AR has flat out impressed me with how well they’ve done. I’m very proud to see my original server do so well. I’m not going anywhere, but I have a little twinge of nostalgia for the guys I used to try and lead without even having a tag, the guys who helped me get a tag in the first place.

<3 AR, you guys are kittening lions.

Confirming i saw the “upcoming update” message this time…even suggested to the guys “hey don’t don’t get crazy, reset coming” having experienced enough TWO MINUTES LATER…resets

You went for the cookie jar…knowing you mighta gotten caught before ya got it, and got caught. Deal with it good try tho AR. U got balls.

Yeah 2800 is a nice healthy go-between.

In other words, Instead of saying “an increase in damage on _” please can we get traits to say "an _% increase in damage, or a _ increase in range, or from 3000 to 3350, or whatever…can we please get a slightly more quantified way of putting info on the wvw exp trait thingies plz?

It’s nice that we got a one-time reset in points, but we weren’t planning on it, and aren’t planning on getting another one, and these things don’t come easy for your average part-time player. And a lot of these higher-up cart traits like aoe radius on carts, etc, are a long way of for 90%+ of the playerbase, still, so resources for them are thin, and at times, held close to people’s chest (guild-only forums, etc perhaps).

So please, anet…let us know what we’re investing dozens, hundreds of points in for those bigger skills down the road…a lot of times we’ll not be interested in the middle skills like “condition damage on carts” but we’ll get it anyway ‘cause we want a bigger AoE radius on carts…but we’d love to know ahead of time…“is it worth it or should I work on something else right now?”

Thanks Anet.

(And yes I totally think aoe radius increase on carts kicks ass)

yanoch.7051:

What is the radius of the AC mastery 4? I think the basic radius is 320 I’m not even sure…

You know I really wish Anet would put these kinds of things in there BEFORE we bought them so we knew what we were getting into, and whether the massive point investment was worth our it for our style of play or not.

Estus.1726:

Kincaidia.3192:

What was the range? 3400 or something?

I’d like to know what percentage the decrease in range is. I do know that the previous range almost rivaled that of the catapult.

It was just about 3/4 of a cata’s range (almost).

Lifewaster.5912:

Traited range is now 2800.

from 3500 that’s a 20% reduction. Ballistas reach 3000. You have aoe radius which could reach the ballista with the cart, and/or elevation for either side, but there’s human error involved too in most cases.

Savvy!

Kincaidia.3192:

What was the range? 3400 or something?

3500 traited. 500 more than a ballista, which was anti-siege xD

Add in elevation, and you get as much range as a cata in some cases. Was moderately OP, and moderately OP meant it got used before ANYTHING else in that catagory (skirmish, D, etc)

Bushido.2184:

Hule.8794:

Wierd, I just downloaded patch, logged in and have no world ability points refunded.

Me neither. Maybe it resets when you level..

same here.

Tnx for the fixes anet. bonus chest thingy and icon change was a nice polish touch too.

World vs. World

World Ability Points have been refunded to all players who earned them. Changes were made to Arrow Cart Mastery, allowing players to reallocate their points. This is a one-time reset

Arrow Cart Mastery skills have had their range reduced to be better in balance with other siege weapons.

The WvW Ranks and Abilities tab now displays how many bonus rank-up chests a character has remaining.

Superior Siege and Omega Golem blueprints now have different icons from regular siege blueprints.

edit https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Game-Update-Notes-June-11th-2013/first#post2192806

^i mean the ones that didn’t know it. lol

SBI’s map defenders seem to have learned proper map defense almost overnight. Nice.

Sunnyhill defense looked snazzy with nothing more than upgraded doors/walls to buy time, but the siege placement made me turn right around, knowing anything I put down was gonna get instantly countersieged and I was outta superior rams and didn’t even have a +5 buff. Was still in blegh mode the entire day, lol. BETTER DAY TODAY, RAWR.

Pedra.4381:

GavinGoodrich.1382:

While IoJ’s made their own recovery, AR’s a lot further along in their own recovery, having started a lot further back (late last year) and we started a few months ago. I’m pretty kitten impressed how far AR has rebounded, and how well they’re holding up against SBI and us put together (but mainly SBI).

Given all the beatdowns we took over the last 13 weeks, we turned into scrappers. Last night, on alliance TS, one of the larger guild leaders said he was taking a break to go stock up on soda and hotpockets (or something) and that he wasn’t leaving his computer till AR took SM. I’m at work so I don’t know if he’s succeeded, but I hope he took it, otherwise he might be dead soon.

Looks like some of our IoJ guys sucker punched Stonemist while you guys were keepin’ SBI busy so hopefully he can at least take a bathroom break now, ’cause I saw SM just go red

While IoJ’s made their own recovery, AR’s a lot further along in their own recovery, having started a lot further back (late last year) and we started a few months ago. I’m pretty kitten impressed how far AR has rebounded, and how well they’re holding up against SBI and us put together (but mainly SBI).

I think IoJ is having a bit of a flop day…I sure as hell am. blegh. edit we get sucker punched like any other human beings but I think we react better than most servers do on defense of our BL. We can at least keep our final two EB towers, the keep, and typically our waypoints on our “homeland” alive long enough to rebound <3

Need to go get caffine for offense…blegh.

ah ok tnx
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