Guild Wars 2

Aeolus.3615:

Jski.6180:

Dawdler.8521:

Jski.6180:

Should it be so easy for small groups to put down sieges?

Well… yes.

Because that’s how you get a border going. Its when you start to put limitations on this, like 4 people required to built guild siege against the no doubt fortified keep that’s been ticking all night, that WvW grind to a complete halt. The very strong buff to champion NPCs, removal of siegerazer and door/wall hp is another similar issue (ironically, the shrines are dead simple to cap, I have no idea why they arent all veterans at least), it acts a buffer against small groups doing things.

Do you have a 5 man squad ready and waiting for you when you join WvW? No? Then gtfo. That’s pretty much what the new WvW tell you. That’s absolutely horrible. I have always bragged about how GW2 WvW scale well from 1-25+ players, especially compared to for example ESO where you needed a full 20 man raid waiting for you just to cap the eqvivalent of a lousy camp. You could easily join a border and get the ball rolling. All things considered, they pretty much ruined that.

4 ppl should not be able to take full upgraded keeps maybe a tower but it should be a hard thing to do. If it was easy then what would be the point of these things upgrading? That the def of night caping and is a major reason why ppt means nothing.
ESO is supply free rvr every one is seiges that was a major error to do that.

Jski, but that is what people want, they want a easy reward ,that is what GW2 made people get used to, if anet made each player deploy instant built siege, gw2 players for sure would love that…. Before the new patch to WvW, the old BL were nothing more like karma train maps and this is what people want back.

As much as the auto upgrades and other stuff on the BL and EB needs work/fixes or even removed this patch made to see how many Skrits were playing WvW after al.

Except those “keeps” in your own border that are enemy fortified and upgraded insanely fast. So if a small group struggles to take them back or just find it takes way too much time they just sit there all night ticking hard ppt. It’s not like the enemy spent much time “upgrading them.” Earth keep reinforces almost instantly when you have the camps. Morning ppl get on see it and don’t even want to bother either so they log off as well. If you see this as healthy… then have fun playing by yourself sooner than later. Taking back your own BL shouldn’t be as hard as taking an enemy BL and it almost is especially with a couple defenders vs a small group. Auto-upgrades need a lot of work.

You do you get loot and XP soooo who cares?

Serind.1267:

Why do I even bother ;/
At least now there is a lot less slurring.

In the youtube comment you sarcastically asked if we’d like BT to stop playing all together. Well, such a request is lunatic in itself, but be sure that I definitively would rather stop playing myself than to play a trolls game.

• That wasn’t me ;/.
  I copied here everything i wrote there.

… if all they achieve is due to them getting supported by hackers …

• That’s a lie sir and you know it very well, you could have even see it on the reset day (and day after) where we did incredibly well, for being 1st time in t8 for such a long time . But sadly after that hacker started trolling and it forced you guys to focus us.

• Im not saying that the only reason we’re not winning is becasue we’re being focused, all im saying is that, hacker is also harming our server, even more than “helping” as most of you think.

mmm RoS usually always have slow starts on Fri and Sat. So the slow start is not surprising. It was disappointing sure, however the “hacker” was much more active then too. Every time we got something with a wp they weren’t too far behind. It is what it is. There was definitely a guild on BT that sieged up what was a T3 keep after the hacker visited though. BT has a lot of groups to fight so it’s not a bad MU. The hacker problem is though.

DeWolfe.2174:

I still completely disagree with a lot of the info and suggestions on here. For WvW to be healthy, the players have to be having fun, to be engaged enough, to be a WvW community. Forcing players to separate and force size and scale shows Anet’s lack of caring for communities.

The biggest difference in the Tiers functionally is the scale of combat. People on the top tiers prefer and enjoy the largest scaled combat available. Others like smaller scaled combat like 15vs15vs15. That’s why people are transferring to T3 right now. Trying to force players into a generic “one size fits all” scaling is full of fail. You’ll just end up lessening the experience most players are receiving. Unless you are in that Goldilocks zone of liking the middle.

Hm im in EU T8, yes T8 and we still get 20+v20+ easily so I’d have to imagine T3 can still get plenty of blob fights especially in EB

Hymi.7265:

I’m from Blacktide, and yes, we want the hacker gone. We hope that Anet will ban him, because he’s making so much chaos for not only you, but us as well, since we get a lot of hate for it. Trust me, we want a hack-free server. But tbh, we were getting a 300+ tick on friday without the hackers, so they’re not really the reason we’re winning atm… So don’t say that’s the reason we’re winning.
Btw RoS and FR, I really don’t want our servers to be mad at each other just because on hacker. We’ve experienced that before with UW and FoW. Let’s hope Anet gets their finger out of their (you know which bodypart), and do something about the hacker. Cya in the mist war! <3

Oh because you had a better reset than everyone you should be winning? Not the fact that your hacker when say my server is ticking over 300 comes in and flips T3 keeps in the late morning early afternoon and then your guild groups go in and siege up the taken T3 keep after the fact… Your guilds are enablers and supportive of the hacker in that sense sorry.

yeah this is becoming more common at many camps sadly… Golanta in EB wasn’t spawning a yak towards the keep…

yup same with everyone in my ts

map completion and exploration are actually 2 different things. Explore all areas of every map…they don’t always have a poi/wp/sp/vista in them

Natar.3671:

Nidome.1365:

Definitely a bug on Green BL on the EU servers. We haven’t had a dolly spawn to go into north hills since the matchup began.

This does not seem to be a consistent bug, cause ytd when I logged on my home bl (red), blue capped hills and had the NE camp while we owned garri and a yak spawned from the camp and went towards hills. Could someone confirm with me if it is only the home side that doesn’t have yak spawn but when others cap the yak does spawn?

That how it was with our server last week. Seems ok this week…at least on my home bl xD

Natar.3671:

Gideon.6742:

Dopamine.7502:

Godslore dolyak to hills does not spawn anymore.
Unable to claim hills after a cap even with only my own guild there.

its the stargrove camp where the dolyak doesn’t spawn going to hills.

Alright just to confirm, is this applicable to all 3 bls? Or is it just affecting one?

It just appears to be affecting Blue BL as dollies from mill on green and red are going to hills.

Dopamine.7502:

Godslore dolyak to hills does not spawn anymore.
Unable to claim hills after a cap even with only my own guild there.

its the stargrove camp where the dolyak doesn’t spawn going to hills.

The mill dolyak going to hills doesn’t spawn

I play on ruins of surmia. The mill dolyak(Stargrove) on blue borderland going to hill keep doesn’t spawn. Fully upgraded camps not 1 dolyak going to hills spawns.

Arantheal.7396:

mango.9267:

sminkiottone.6972:

I am confident that these changes will improve the WvW experience for many people that don’t like the brainless karma train.

Except removing white swords only makes karma training easier.

except that it doesn’t.

I guess they don’t want us to mention server names, so a short situational explanation before I go into my actual argument:

Server A (my home):
Low pop (upper end bronze) outside of prime-time, many dedicated defenders, tho. Many small guilds (10-15) as well, and during primetime most of them perform rather well. Also we always have at least one pug-commander on EB, which we call over to Home if we need to defend, while guild-groups + roamers focus Enemy Borders.

Server B (current matchup):
Outnumbers us vastly to all times (middle-low tier Silver). Does not even care to scout and k-train 24/7. Additionally they have 2 small guild-groups during prime-time, hopping maps and ganking other guild-groups exclusively (we’ve never seen them to try to attack a structure since friday ( first time that we’re matched up against B )), luckely we are mostly even numbers, but they interfere with and delay all our efforts during prime, which enables the k-train to rush in and clear almost all attacks on their stuff before we can make it to the lord.
Thus they have t3 keeps almost all week long, even tho their k-train does not put a single foot in their homeborder unless some WP is contested.

Server C:
Upper tier bronze as well, gets steamrolled, just like us (even harder since there is some personal Yadda Yadda going on between C and B ).

So, IF we would not have white swords, we could flip their towers + camps without Server B noticing it in time, crush their PPT and out-maneuver their k-train vastly. That would even allow us to downgrade their keeps even before it gets a wp (no contested wp to notice a siege cross-map).
Additionally we already have dedicated defenders on Server A who still upgrade and siege stuff, even while this karma-blobb is around (and actually scares them off from time to time), so our performance would not be impacted in the slightest.
Same goes for C, which also have their eco on a green footing.

I welcome this change, and would really like to see how Server B’s k-train / gank-squads reacts to this situation.

The problem with your logic is assuming servers will not adjust. Server B now just needs a few more people to stay on home BL rather than have 1-2map watchers. Theycan afford to have a few more scouts while the Ktrain still wrecks you. Also I’m sure wps will still show up contested the equivalent of white swords. Also they will still cap more than you and faster than you so PPT they still win. Also your 5-15man group will still get squashed when they catch you with their 25+ in most cases so more PPK for them too.

No white swords in the lower tiers, that’ll kill em faster than they are already dying. Count me as one of those who will quit. PPK fine whatever, however it will still benefit the larger server in most cases as the bigger blob will kill MOST smaller groups.

Bump Great community just lacking some coverage

No he’s right for numerous matchups.

58:11:5:523 error? because I haven’t been able to relog even though my internet is fine for about 30min

All these ppl using f keys and Ctrl f keys to pick up obviously haven’t discovered that you need to bind yourself an aoe loot key.

Aoe loot works great for me… Before I used it it sucked but now for me I just hit the shift key when I see lots of xp numbers n stuff popping and collect all my bags without doing much.. Its not that bad even when scrambling trying to stay alive

Had issues with guildies not getting into the same map during missions specifically bounties… Also not.having a home server map like LA will screw with calling I’m help for wvw and recruiting for your guild specifically wvw guilds.

Filovirus.6258:

I forgot the number 1 rule of bandwagon : there is ALWAYS PvE achievement hunters trolling the server over…. or not.

There was a reason all non polish guilds left BT in the last 3 months (ie FAR before the free transfer).. and why even FRS and bandwagon coming there (and be serious, in Bronze FRS coming to a server is enough to bring it from “14444444444444443 levels under the abyss” to “we kitten you” (it comes with the huge lvl of personal skill coupled with 22/5-10 am presence when needed, like during Season)), they just hoped with all the others free transfert train, for a free win……,
i guess some of us are still there ruining the bandwagoon… pulling up 4 shifts a day, still doing what need to be done… still not surrender

Time willl tell but in a week we went from “overated kitten” to “we fight till the end… and we might finish first in a done from the start mathchup”, there is a reason for that (yes it’s BORD). I guess we can say RoS with no coverage, nothing to shine for is back :p

(and yes it won’t be enough, but just having a couple of the bandwagons not able to reap the rewards for 1/2 position in the bronze tier is enough :p)

Not sure what all you’re trying to say here language barrier maybe. Bord is great but without the smaller and pug groups upgrading and defending home bl along with eb ros wouldn’t win… I’d call that a massive server group effort…I don’t see Bord running early am hours keeping our ppt up. I like Bord a lot but they can’t pressure enemy bl without others defending home… I’m just giving credit where credit is due and that is to the entire ros community. GG on week 1.

Lock this kitten thread…we will never know.

bump one last time

I’m on Surmia our coverage is… not good we would be lucky to finish 3rd unless something drastic changes.

You do realize until this week FoW was dominating those two servers… Fow could beat those 2 servers but no chance against anyone else which is why I’m assuming people transferred off. Now with eotm I’m guessing many are there to avoid the empty bls

Things are just fine in EU. If things are that bad in NA switch to EU servers…trust me during NA primetime there is plenty of action going on

Sounds like NA problems. Even in T7 EU its not hard to que up EB or a BL if extra help is needed. Numbers have definitely fluxiated some but they always do EU servers are much more volatile than our NA counterparts it seems.

Players who find it hilarious to knock people of the edge. Mesmers especially since you can pull them off much easier, try it for a few giggles…choke points and bridge areas work best

Join an EU server…problem solved

der don.9854:

Gideon.6742:

der don.9854:

Look at the income history… no nightcapping this time.
Things went south for RoS around 7 am, so morning capping might be the correct term

Well it was turning much earlier than that trust me. It was a struggle to cap a few things while the very large DL group was capping so fast just to try and keep a decent tick. But you’re correct we all KNOW coverage is what wins. Everything will be upgraded meaning RoS will have to climb out of a hole (more than likely will never happen).

Well, I can just look at the statistic and you did way better than last weekend during the nightshift. Last week your night crew was already quite sucessful during the week and will be again this week (my guess, knowing DLs wvw attendance history).
This is of course just the ppt-angle and we all know that there is not necessarily a connection to good and fun fights

You also don’t know that DL DOES have pretty much the same amount of players on during those “nightshifts” and we do actually run into them. They are just not as productive/organized (whichever way you want to look at it). ^^ I was unaware DL was looking for good and fun fights anyways… especially since I can turn it around on you and say it was your morning crew into early afternoon that PVD everything without anyone to put up a fight…. BUT we all know thats the ppt-angle

der don.9854:

Look at the income history… no nightcapping this time.
Things went south for RoS around 7 am, so morning capping might be the correct term

Well it was turning much earlier than that trust me. It was a struggle to cap a few things while the very large DL group was capping so fast just to try and keep a decent tick. But you’re correct we all KNOW coverage is what wins. Everything will be upgraded meaning RoS will have to climb out of a hole (more than likely will never happen).

Arthos Ravron.3796:

melan.5164:

Ty TDA guild for coming to ruin good 1v1 fights in FoW bl. Really classy.

Although I do suppose it would be best that they didn’t, there is always an inherent risk to dueling in WvW. And I think higher pop (TDA coming from Gandara and all) has a bit less respect for dueling because it hogs queue times without contributing much. No offense though, just stating some possibilities and stuff. No offense to either parties though.

I’d like to hear TDA’s stand though. It might just be some bad/new guildies.

Well I saw a TDA in a duel today…

Gizmorage.6412:

gideon, you didn’t understand, and that wasn’t adressed to you, wo why don’t you just avoid saying stuff about things you have no clue about?
ps: that is in no way QQing, as i’m not complaining about anything, just stating a fact. but yeah i guess the difference is hard to make once you go full self righteous white knight. (plus it wasn’t two but one guy)

Did you not generalize their actions as giving off an impression of the Surmian community…yes you did. Therefore you may not addressed me directly but you’re gonig to call out 1 lone rangers who will most likely never read this. Not sure what your “full self righteous white knight” is about but realize you’re calling out 1 person on a forum in a negative manner…

Gizmorage.6412:

i would like to thank the [EW] 80 mesmer/upscaled thief fr running away like a pro from fair fights and being a total kitten after ganking people, really you’re giving out a nice idea of the surmian community, keep it up, good spirit right there.

QQ you’re giving off a nice impression of fow whining about 2 ppl and 1 is an upscale.

I was unaware RoS was a shot for the title spot gone wrong. I guess that is your opinion and you have a right to you your post although you thought had good intentions still had forum warrior with that comment in it. I was surprised even with the transfers on the RoF and Dza matchups. The guilds did move here but they also just brought a base over and have grown with the population on RoS… Numbers also flourish when one is doing well and AP are put into the picture. OTHER servers made a fuss over RoS reality check RoF, Dza, and DL should be thankful they actually have another server they can fight against instead of ROFLstomping every matchup outside the top 3.

It should change back to normal next week as daylights savings here in the states is this weekend ;p lol

Jamo.2367:

Gideon.6742:

Jamo.2367:

Lillian.4935:

Sajuuk.6420:

JAMJAM, OVERLOOK GOING TO DIE.

OMG NOOOOO! JAMJAM WHY?

I think the answer to that question is kind of obvious.

I mean I get you all want “good fights” but all going to the same server makes little to no sense. At least when HT transferred they didn’t join the already stacked RoS.

Don’t even know if RoS can beat ROF or drakkar lake. So basically instead of 3 “stacked” servers there are 4 in this league that can take 1-3. Dzag has put up some good fights. Let’s face it even if surmia didn’t get transfers vabbi was going to get roflstomped…your complaining and whining and yes your are… Is just pointless change the topic to something else RoS gives the top 3 someone to fight…check the other 2 matchups…

You think this is my first time getting stomped? :p I’ve been on vabbi since FRS left taking all our wvw players, I get stomped week in week out I am quite positive which is why at the start of the match up I didn’t moan on the forums and just went to PvP, I just think the reasons people give for moving down are wrong.

Wasn’t just aimed at you so don’t act like it was. Reasons for moving down being wrong… Write a book on it I’d like to read it. When you look at it ros will have good fights against 3 strong servers most matchups. I didn’t move “down” so I don’t know what the situations for everyone who moved were like…sometimes a community change is nice. Sadly wvw will never be perfect for everyone or anyone IMO lol it is what it is.

Jamo.2367:

Lillian.4935:

Sajuuk.6420:

JAMJAM, OVERLOOK GOING TO DIE.

OMG NOOOOO! JAMJAM WHY?

I think the answer to that question is kind of obvious.

I mean I get you all want “good fights” but all going to the same server makes little to no sense. At least when HT transferred they didn’t join the already stacked RoS.

Don’t even know if RoS can beat ROF or drakkar lake. So basically instead of 3 “stacked” servers there are 4 in this league that can take 1-3. Dzag has put up some good fights. Let’s face it even if surmia didn’t get transfers vabbi was going to get roflstomped…your complaining and whining and yes your are… Is just pointless change the topic to something else RoS gives the top 3 someone to fight…check the other 2 matchups…

Jathres.7236:

I meet two Surmia Guildgroups on one Map both running with 30-40 People, thats hardly normal for bronze league. I know that Dzago commanders tend to stick together if the Enemy has such big Guildgroups, otherwise they prefer to split up (if you got only one Commander online obviously can’t do much about that happens on every Server).

Also i can understand the Guilds that transfered first to Surmia. But the other that got to the Server after already 3-4 Guilds transfered there? That was just looking for a cheap transfer on the next Bandwagon otherwise those guilds would have split up on Servers like WSR, FOW, Vabbi or Blacktide so they could fight each other and test their mettle, but sadly that requieres guts (only Guild i know that did that is Cb so props to you).

If Anet hadn’t mysteriously raised WSR and FoW population size to high (back to medium somehow)… maybe other guilds would have transferred to those servers since they would have been free. Quite disappointing.

Dopamine.7502:

We have oke commanders but havent seen any real good one. No offense to the commanders mentioned above they are good in a karma train but organised group fights are rather poorly done.

If i have to mention a commander it is Psychotic of course. But he doesnt tag up so much

No offense but you can’t compare an organized group using a ts or rc to someone trying to type to a large pug. If fow would make a server wide ts server that everyone would use it would help drastically and lock guild channels so you can still do your raids on it… Fow is a very hostile server who commander bashes a lot. Unify and maybe fow will get somewhere and also will make ppl not want to switch servers. Gl and hf with season 1.

Jakare.6807:

Looking to join a coordinated small roaming guild on vabbi, anyone I could contact?

The imp guys… Neandrathal in the above post ^^…yes coming from a fissure that’s my recommendation.

DiablosLight.5396:

Yesterday was pretty hectic, I mean as the constant back and forth trebbing between Vabbi Overlook an SM. Mass zergs from WSR and FoW,
Then all of a sudden I see a small guild [RoT] maybe 10-15 people, probably less (didn’t look very big).
Just couldn’t get rid of them at our inner for ages, Well done to you guys
Kudos to FoW for takin our Overlook this morning.

Some of us actually had to jump off the cliff because wsr was at our keep and we couldn’t get out of combat to get back thanks though was fun especially the fight between overlook and mendons.

Neandramathal.9536:

The reason most videos look the same is because there is only a finite number of situations that can occur. We can’t upload footage of intense fights vs guild groups when they don’t happen. There will always be upleveled’s in a zerg, but it’s hardly the bulk of the group, and even if it is… with a massive numbers difference upleveled or not it’s going to hurt, CC doesn’t care what level you are. Regardless, there are far less aggressive/whiney ways to say such things, or just not say it at all – no one forces you to watch after all.

The majority of fights we engage in are slim/no chance of winning, that’s what we enjoy, because I agree – there is nothing to lose, it’s a game.

I can respect that. Make the most of what you’re given… It is a game and when you can’t find 10-20v10-20 because that is what the guilds here usually run with occasionally more it get kinda boring and isn’t a fun game for many. That’s MY perspective. If you think 10-20vthe same is skillless thas your own opinion idc. But it is wvw if you want 5v5 go play tpvp

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Neandramathal.9536:

x Charlie.4820:

Gideon.6742:

x Charlie.4820:

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

Thats what happens when you own most of the keeps? X_X
From what i’v seen FoW and WSR tend to both push vabbi at the same time. (Talking EB mostly)
Also tends to be alot of map hopping from fissure, seem to stay together all the time, either none on the map or all of them.

Doesn’t bother me at all, happens on all servers. Some people just love the Wxp train, shouldn’t then question why they’re not enjoying themselfs though ;o

Its funny how different perspectives are. I see a pug mostly in EB the ones who hop are guild most of the time unless everything is taken. EB is a totally different beast than vabbi bl.

Took keeps in your bl/stuff in EB with no resistance with less than 4 people (During primetime) , I don’t know if your pugs follow your guild groups, but when we do find enemies, alot of the time its from no resistance -> outmanned. Normally a 25+ zerg with guild group mixed in. (Mainly EB, but borderlands from time to time.)

As for vabbi BL i don’t go there much so can’t say.

You transferred to Vabbi… just stop talking about zerging us this and that outmanned bla bla bla kitten gets old. you knew the situation. People are bored because there are no larger scale fights in this matchup even when WSR has a zerg they rarely clash.

Wasn’t complaining, if you actually go and READ what i wrote, i said it doesn’t bother me. You said it yourself, even when WSR has a zerg you guys barely clash.

I moved to vabbi because i didn’t like the skill-less “Large scale fights” that you want and whilst the zergs down here are much smaller, there is still zergs.
There will always be, on every server because its the safest and easiest way for players like yourself to get rewarded for doing nothing.

Just stop whinging that fights are boring and you’re bored, if you’re gona run around with tons of people, Don’t expect to get even fights.
Fighting the lowest server on the ladder and complaining that they have no Blob….. I dont even know what to say.[/quote]

You apparently can’t read either. I’m not in the large zergs lol… You assume way too much… But wanting 10-20 ppl to clash and fight I don’t see what is wrong with that? I never once mentioned a blob kitten … I said a fight larger than 4v4 good one.

Mantis.3026:

People gonna hate on your videos. No-one likes to see themselves getting owned! And your hardly going to engage in fights that you have a slim/no chance of winning. That’s just poor play!

With re’ to having no resistance or a zerg of resistance when capping points. I feel the same; when I run in small groups (as neandramathal has pointed out, not often) i run into a 20+ group of vabs. When we’re running as a guild we normally just see 4 or 5 poor victims to roll over (for which i do feel guilty for!) and we PvD a lot of the map to entice people to group up and take us on.

The gripes we all have with ‘fairness’ and ‘2 servers ganging up’ is just perception.

Vabbi and FoW definitely have a love/hate relationship. And rightly or wrongly i’ll chase a vabbi longer than a wsr just to give them a cuddle!

tl;dr – these arguments come from both sides every matchup, Vabbians give me a hug <3

Oh and Ham, you’re a gossiping little spin doctor! Give me the scoop!

I wasn’t even there… I didn’t like it just because I thought it was an exact replica of the other one. Also they don’t understand the vabbi/fow relationship at all. However sometimes when you’re vastly outnumbered it is fun to engage in a fight you have a very slim chance of winning to spice things up…you really have nothing to lose.(unless of course the other side has 3 stacks of this awesome bloodlust and its a close matchup) +1 tho

Neandramathal.9536:

On a different note, Video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvSagQD_5_U

More videos of beating up the uplvled pugs who are karma training… new content please….like watching die hard 15 lol I could’ve sworn it was your last video…but it was shorter…so skimming was faster.

x Charlie.4820:

Gideon.6742:

x Charlie.4820:

Gideon.6742:

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

Thats what happens when you own most of the keeps? X_X
From what i’v seen FoW and WSR tend to both push vabbi at the same time. (Talking EB mostly)
Also tends to be alot of map hopping from fissure, seem to stay together all the time, either none on the map or all of them.

Doesn’t bother me at all, happens on all servers. Some people just love the Wxp train, shouldn’t then question why they’re not enjoying themselfs though ;o

Its funny how different perspectives are. I see a pug mostly in EB the ones who hop are guild most of the time unless everything is taken. EB is a totally different beast than vabbi bl.

Took keeps in your bl/stuff in EB with no resistance with less than 4 people (During primetime) , I don’t know if your pugs follow your guild groups, but when we do find enemies, alot of the time its from no resistance -> outmanned. Normally a 25+ zerg with guild group mixed in. (Mainly EB, but borderlands from time to time.)

As for vabbi BL i don’t go there much so can’t say.

You transferred to Vabbi… just stop talking about zerging us this and that outmanned bla bla bla kitten gets old. you knew the situation. People are bored because there are no larger scale fights in this matchup even when WSR has a zerg they rarely clash.

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Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.

Thats what happens when you own most of the keeps? X_X
From what i’v seen FoW and WSR tend to both push vabbi at the same time. (Talking EB mostly)
Also tends to be alot of map hopping from fissure, seem to stay together all the time, either none on the map or all of them.

Doesn’t bother me at all, happens on all servers. Some people just love the Wxp train, shouldn’t then question why they’re not enjoying themselfs though ;o

Its funny how different perspectives are. I see a pug mostly in EB the ones who hop are guild most of the time unless everything is taken. EB is a totally different beast than vabbi bl.

Neandramathal.9536:

WSR generally have reasonable numbers, and Vabbi can get them going too if given the chance. As far as Vabbi is concerned there is often nothing that can be done against the size of group FoW runs around in, we (guild at least) try but there are limits to what can be defended/fought (especially when we rarely get chance to upgrade).

Can’t speak for anyone else but most the time it feels like the second red objectives start appearing on the map WSR/FoW forget about each other and just go straight for it, like “woo free stuff”. People want their Wxp so will go for the path of least resistance, to be expected.

I still have fun trying vast majority the time, but it shouldn’t be surprising that you aren’t getting too much resistance in general as not everyone is a gluten for punishment. As for hoping for growing population, the effect that this type of gameplay has will cause the opposite effect

Propoganda it may be, but pay more attention to WSR and you’ll likely find less empty/defenseless objectives ;D Especially as Vabbi will build momentum when allowed to hold objective for more than 10minutes :P

Now, back to videos >.>

I don’t mean to be a party pooper but when Vabbi takes FoW keeps its kind of hard to ignore… But for the most part I find we do pay more attention to WSR.