Guild Wars 2

I am using 25/25/0/10/10 currently

Saturn.6591:

With celestial armor, you’re going to be a little bit more tanky than a zerker-build and hit like a wet noodle, while your few conditions tick low enough that nobody will bother with cleansing unless you’ve got high stacks on them. With soldiers you will hit for a solid amount and are quite tanky.

Also, why would someone use divinity runes in a full soldier build (even with 20 in air)? That would be a total waste of gold imo. Ruby orbs would be so much better in this case. Or soldier crests. Or even boon duration runes, or lifesteal runes… many things would be better.

Celestial with a mix of cavalier/berserker jewels makes staff hit very hard.(and every weapon set for that matter)
Full berserker might mean a boost to your dmg but you are a rally bot.What good is if you can down 10 people and get stomped afterwards within seconds?
Celestial gives decent healing support for group and yourself, a good amount of toughness and lots of critical dmg.Its very friendly for all kinds of lvl of players.

There is no point running boon duration in zergs if you opt for maximum dmg.(Unless you are new to the proffesion ofc).
I would go for scholar if i knew the pain train is usualy strong or 3 traveler/3 Divinity or the cheap solution,ruby orbs.Celestial armor is also a lot better than soldiers.

I believe its a little bit overated.The only weapon set fit for boon duration is dagger/x.Cause in situations where you are outnumbered boons are your only protection-source of dmg etc.Though in spvp i use Ogre/Scholar.When i play staff in WvW or i play PvE i will definetly go for offensive runes or Orbs(mainly for pve)

Wintel.4873:

Graendall.4765:

If you sit idle its tremendous.If the dragon tooth/phoenix/fire grab/air burst hits you are most probably dead.

Awesome, so all everyone needs to do is stop moving and go AFK, then Ele’s will be totally viable!
The solution is here folks!

You read what you want to read.Don’t do this to yourself.I never said Ele is the best proffesion atm.Needs some good tweaking.But its definatly not so bad as most people want it to be.
Landing the S/D combo is hard but hey we are playing a game where you can actualy read enemy movements.With experience and luck(yes you need luck for everything in life) you can land your combos.The ele in this case was lucky.

robocafaz.9017:

Bsgapollo.5364:

Can you please go back to the warrior forums ? If you don’t know what you’re talking about you have no business here.

If you can’t beat the average fotm summer-time Warrior on a D/D or S/D Ele you are complete and utter trash and should uninstall. A high-level Warrior should give you a run for your money but you should still be able to maintain a fairly even win-loss ratio against them.

In a Warrior/Ele fight it’s all about who makes more mistakes in a row. Both classes have the ability to recover from what should be fatal mistakes, both classes have the ability to kite and control, both classes have the ability to heal to full when they aren’t pressured. Warriors and Ele’s are like peas in a pod.

Jesus kittening christ..what is wrong with you people?
Instead of encouraging people to do their best and teach them a couple of things since you are all so kittening pro you go on and badmouth the kitten out of them.

In this case the poor mesmer just didn’t know what to expect because of all the whiners in this forum claiming how useless the ele is.He was unprepared and got served accordingly.
Now you know what to expect.React faster and you might win the next time.
S/D burst is huge.If you sit idle its tremendous.If the dragon tooth/phoenix/fire grab/air burst hits you are most probably dead.Even more so from a player that has his spells keybinded in a way that allows him to do the combo ultra fast.

OneManArmy.9732:

Xunleashed.5271:

I’m joining the conversation too if u don’t mind
D/D Ele damage is something not easy to learn, as it comes 80% from the player and 20% from the gear.

d/d ele is faceroll machine with zero punishment for mistakes. deal with it.

also condi ele must be s/d, but it still sux cuz all ele’s abilities shares direct damage and condi, there is no pure condi dmg ability. that’s why condi ele sux.

fgj all ele’s builds sux

You sound like a kitten Heartseeker spamer.Its a good thing elementalist is a REALLY hard class to play properly,saves us the incopetent players who want an overpowered class that can win everyone.

In spvp it is all about keeping your water attunement , cantrip cleanses and dodges.
Ele comes down to using your abilities at the right time.Never spam condi removal.Wait for it.If they have you immobilised for a long time you are kittened.Also try using Ether renewal(while running) when they unload even if your health is not very low.After they unload their regular burst and they fail to hit you its your turn to hit them hard.Use your burst and watch them as their health drops around 50% and they have absolutly no way to get back up to full.Usually they start running at that point.After that Lightningwhip with aura from air is your best friend.

I know but fire aura is not so easy to get especialy in WvW where things are very random.Gonna try to use it with more tactic but usualy i use magnetic grasp to catch runners or mesmers/thiefs running around

@Xunleashed How can you maintain 20 stacks of might in a classic D/D build?
Or do you go Fire traits with might on cantrips and fire spells?(maybe + Arcane Blast)

Necrosis will be around 10-15 people tops.Due to holidays we might even be less.Looking forward to fight smallscale in BLs.We will be raiding Monday and Wednsday so pm if you want to meet in a particular borderland though we would prefere if there was a BL where most of the smaller guild teams gather (so there will be variety in our fights).We start our raids 2 hours earlier than central EU primetime

Wow
Ele suk spvp
Much hate
not stronk
wow

Maybe we shouldn’t ask for every weapon set to be good for everything.

You want staff to be a dueling weapon?And still retain its mass destruction?
Staff is currently very strong.Only thing that can change is Air and Earth autoattack speed which is very slow atm.Also earth2 could be a lot faster.Decrease its damage maybe.

Scepter is our strongest burst weapon.Very strong.Only fire auto-attack is rubish.Needs to be a lot faster.Dragon tooth can be a bit faster as well but not much,it would make it OP.

D/D still is the best weapon set in the game for me,it has a lot mobility burst and sustain,what it needs is good traits backing it up in contrast to the 2 weapons above.

Focus.I don’t know i only use it in fractals

From my personal experience from wvw and spvp Ele lacks sustain.Keep our HP low pool low autoattacks and armor.If we can live through the first bursts we can win pretty much anything.Maybe a solution would be to fix healing power scaling.Then we might be able to have our own panic buttons like all other classes when they kitten up.And by panic buttons i mean water attunement :P

You think a higher HP pool will fix the 1 button thiefs and warriors that 1-2-3 shot you?
Also if Ele gets a higher HP,Guardian should too.As if we didn’t have enough problems.Higher armor now,that would be great.Higher Attack power that would be also great.
What needs fixing in my opinion is other classes.Small things can change for the elementalist but complete overhauls?Never gonna happen.
We chose the difficult class guys.The only change i can think of that needs reverting is RTL it was never overpowered and with the current nerfs on the class it will work as intended.Will give as at least some more survivability.

Well can all those guild gather on map so we can fight you all one by one!?

Greetings from Necrosis

Just want to thank [WvW] for the nice skirmishes we had 2 days ago in Vizunah BL.Was so nice to find people with our numbers.10-15 guilds are having great difficulty finding enemies at their own size.Usualy we are outnumbered.(Btw when the map commander came in,it was to our own dissapointment )

Guild name: Necrosis

Guild site : http://gw2-necrosis.guildlaunch.com/

Guild philosophy : PvP, WvWvW

Language : Greek (a bit of english might be required for communication with alliance)

Gaming attitude : softcore, but serious gaming

Server : Piken Square

Voice Communication : TeamSpeak3 (50 seats)

Recruitment: Heavy classes and Necromancers get the special love package,but we don’t say no to anyone

Rules for members : check the site.

Application procedure: Register on site then interview with officers via voice com

Age of applicants : 18+

Guild Information:Necrosis is an ongoing MMORPG community, reaching now 5+ years of existance. Our community was built through WARHAMMER, the only real PvP game with open PvP(aka WvWvW).Our attitude towards gaming is : “softcore, but serious gaming”. We like to do PvP all together as one fist.

*Also here is a reference to the old topic where you can find some videos of our WvWvW during the past year
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/guilds/Necrosis-Greek-WvW-focused-guild/first#post1864978

Very nice gameplay from your part.Gonna try this.Do you think it would work better with Celestial armor?

Fishbones.6914:

Azunai.5974:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEEQJAoYhEmmbyR4wjEAEFucyoQHiCPUekzM2A-jEDBYfIYjBkgAksAhEBI5rIaslhht6KalXBRbDTFjIq2auIa1SBIoyI-w

The BEST d/d build ever made, period.

This build offers massive survivability and damage all in one package, which is perfect for small group play and to an extent zergs. By constantly blasting off ring of fire with earth dodge, 4, and 5, you can stack ludicrous amounts of might. By playing intelligently, you would be an ele with permanent uptime on all boons except protection (this still has pretty long uptime) and stability, giving you 4k power and 1.2k condition damage to go with your survivability.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fEEQJAoYhImmbyR3wjDAEFucyQRIbUekzM2A-jkCBYfI4hBkaAksAhCBIJtIaslRFRjVNjIqWnEzkrIa1SBwkyI-w

This build is when you want to simply not die and nothing else. Guaranteed to make you immortal, especially in small group fights where your high survivability, resistance to conditions, and extreme healing makes you a tank to make guardians look bad. Only one issue is lack of damage but, hey, the trade off for immortality is still nice.

you need moar zerker!!!!

and lol zerker / knights / valks does way more dmg than your celestial setup

I see everyone saying zerker/knights/valks combo is better.
Please i beg of you..write down the gear combination of these armors so we can all finaly see the superior dmg.

Dat RvR trailer…was so bad i don’t even want to play that game anymore

Greetings from Necrosis.Today wasn’t our best day..thanks for the pm’s to have some skirmishes from RAID and AR.We were unfortunatly in SFR BL.Za Bots running there again and the “smaller” guild groups started deep into primetime when we were tired and out of people to fight.Also outnumbered buff.We encountered WL IV etc good fights from your part.

Hoping for better luck next match-up.Have fun!

I think everyone is more relaxed after the leagues.
@Gensokyo
We will try EB next raid.But so you know we have seen plenty of fights of the size i am asking during the league.

LordByron.8369:

Graendall.4765:

I will never understand from what kind of players all this QQ comes from.Are you an sPvPer? a roamer in WvW?do you play with a group?Please tell us what exactly is frustrating you.Is it a thief that backstabed your berserker geared ele for 13k and you insta died?

Imo most of the QQ the last 7 months comes from people running D/D when it was God Mode..nothing less you could beat anything easily,too many panic buttons,like warrior now.

100th post fighting misinformation
D/D ELE OFFICIALLY never was seen as an issue in WWW!!!
Cantrip PvP S/D bunker ele was “slightly too effective”, D/D ele was “somehow bleeding” in www, and “uneffective” in PvE….

RTL nerf is not only excessive in the eyes of most, but also unintended.

RTL is meant to be 20 on evasion, block etc….instead you can t catch any DECENT player with the only profession stuck at close range fights with the only tool meant to do the job.

The cooldown was small.40secs for not hiting your target is exessive maybe a 30sec cd would be better but you cannot tell me WvW D/D in its prime was bleeding.
Everyone and their grandmothers (see warrior now) was rolling an ele and was actualy able to get in and out of a zerg un-kittening-touched.I call that OP.

You can catch plenty of folks with D/D.RTL is not your only chaser.Lightning flash and earth grab work wonders..what you cannot do anymore is outrun a thief or leave a battle when things go poorly for you (and sometimes you CAN leave)

Greets from Necrosis,
What Borderland would you suggest where small roaming groups of 10-15 gather?
Vizunah BL today was bad…2 huge SFR guilds..couldn’t do kitten against them alone.

I will never understand from what kind of players all this QQ comes from.Are you an sPvPer? a roamer in WvW?do you play with a group?Please tell us what exactly is frustrating you.Is it a thief that backstabed your berserker geared ele for 13k and you insta died?

Imo most of the QQ the last 7 months comes from people running D/D when it was God Mode..nothing less you could beat anything easily,too many panic buttons,like warrior now.

I am not implying that ele is in a good state but far from the bottom.The many nerfs to bring us to a balanced state seems like a huge kittenstorm of nerfs but plenty of them were justified imo.

Personaly i cannot wait for the patch tommorow(exept ascended gear duh -.-) cause i will be able to build a much more offensive elementalist whilst still be able to survive.

P.S. Solution to Incinerator..Make the legendary staff/scepter

Troma.3250:

Well…

It’s time for me to put my armor and sword down.
It’s time to unleash the weapons and the V flag.
It’s time to let my beloved server fly away without me.
It’s time to have a real rest.

Good Bye, enemys. Without you, all this journey wouldn’t exist.

This image link is the last memory i will keep from all this.

http://www.grandcross.fr/le-depart-de-troma.html

This picture is of course RP and does meant to be offensive. But this is what i truly lived. This is a dream of a little child, fond of videogames and heroic fantasy.

I just wanted to change things like i could, to make things more enjoyable for my fellow players. I wanted to live a true fantasy journey.

Thank you community.

Heya Guild Wars 2 WvW, time to quit for good.

lol…did you make that yourself or your loyal subjects?

Coarr.3286:

the problem with vizuna is they run if they dont outnumber you 2:1. we take fights 2:1 if the are the outnumbered and still win and stomp.

but i have to admit that vizuna has increased a lot in open field battles the last times we meet. it is the server i respect the most in eu. spezial kudos to their sportsmanship. they naver /laugh or jump on your corpse.

I have to disagree here.Just go to EB puzzle map and see for yourself.Yesterday i was helping a fellow guildmate to do the puzzle so as to get the WvW key and 3 berserker Vizunah Rangers where camping the jump before the dark room.If i was not on my warrior i would have never gotten past them.As for their sportmanship they just laughed and danced and do /sit on the faces of dead players.Its not the first time i see it.Ofc i am not judging the server as a whole everyone has bad apples.

@Chriskin

Piken has a very healthy pve population.And it was a major problem in the first week.We were losing open field fights everywhere because of the rallybots.This calmed down after the second week.

Greetings from Necrosis!

We had an absolute BLAST in Vizunah BL today!!We got 15 people in easily.No ques!(amazing!).
Think about it!In a BL where everything is T3,what is the only thing left to do?Open field fights!!Fights everywhere!
Thanks [SWD] [VG] [DVG] and [PG] for their support in the fights from our side and the enemy guilds who had the balls to face off with their men and not a blob..those where [VG],[IV],[TK] and some others…lots of fun!

P.S. :Not everything was T3 btw the defenses we made in Bay were epic!
Cheers and hf for the rest of the match-up

Greetings from Necrosis.
So much blobathon in SFR bl yesterday…where is the fun people?
I am looking for guild-groups of 10-20man that run in specific borderlands or have a general idea of where they will run their raid in the week so we might all enjoy some nice roaming skirmishes,we can be your lootbags.

The celestial debate is a huge one.I recently made my own celestial set and i am sure i am going to regret it soon with the addition of ascended armor but here are my thoughts.

I have PVT Celestial and Knight sets.Have also run Berserker for some time.Although in the beggining a big HP pool used to save my kitten i actualy learned how to position myself in a fight.That means even a Berserker set “could” work.But is it worth it?

Imho it is not.Because if you want to live with 13k(15k with guard buff) hp you are gonna need a healway Guardian glued on you and the only way you are gonna get that is if you are in the center of the battle (which is wrong) or the poor guy is ordered to stick on you.In the scenario where you accidently nuke the enemy forces when they have retaliation up you are dead 100%.A rallybot and not usefull to your team.At least with some more HP,healing and armor that celestial gear provides you might survive the retaliation onslaught.Keep in mind that when you are fighting organised teams their thiefs will search for you and try to destroy you.Even their whole team might focus you.Having the tools to escape with staff and cantrips is good but having a decent armor so a thief does not do a 12k backstab on you is essential.

Really nice numbers.I belive we have fought plenty of times with your guild in the field the 2 times we found Viz in the league.But how would you fair in a smallscale fight?
Your vids are nice but you are mostly zerg-busting and defending keeps.You nuke the masses without them seeing you.I am definitly onna replace arcane wave with Frostbow though next time i am running

Vroum.2906:

Dawdler.8521:

Yeah its dreadfully boring. The score is pretty much a decided – Vizunah has already won – yet they have 20+ people defending their keeps with arrowcarts and catas and trebs, the works against same size forces.

2 hours, a border swap and the only thing we found that even attempted to fight was CoN.

We saw you with OP and Necrosis during our slack period aka dinner time.
When guilds began to raid you had already left, we couldn’t get a proper fight with Necrosis (bad luck I think) and OP was running with followers so they was clearly oversized for our 15 man group, even as we gained a few players through the evening.

What guild are you in?Might find you somewhere during this or the next week
Yesterday we managed to gather 15man raid.But we kept getting rolfstomped by Viz defending blobs.Though we had a lot of new blood with us and not a preferable setup.

SWD,where do you find all these AR guild groups ? Maybe we should stop queing for AR BL.

Thiefs are pretty much okei right now if you take out the silly stealth spec wich is comming to an end whne December 10th patch hits the game.

If you find a good thief roaming in WvW i am affraid there is not anything you can do if you yourself is not equal or better.As always in many games the stealth class has a high skill cap.

The only time i can beat thieves is when i run PVT armor with Divinity/Boon duration cavalier/berserker trinkets D/D 0/10/0/30/30.With guard buff i have a about 22k HP which is a bit ridiculous :P but i can take those heartseekers in the face and live to tell the tale.

One thing that i learned from a fellow guild is..when stealth..count 1..2..dodge.
I am currently leveling one to see how the play out in general but the class is horrible :/

Why is everyone suggesting berserker when he can make a celestial set and be all around better.100% critical dmg is good no?healing a lot more hp and a LOT more armor.
My personal opinion is that you are not playing elementalist for the heavy damage.You play to provide support AND damage.

Don’t stay in fire attunement all the time.You start with fire usualy to give a fire field for might then you go Air to give a nice Static in the enemys face.Sometimes i turn to earth to give wall for extra cc and shockwave to immobilize any target my group is focusing(not to mention reflect aura for extra protection).

The best advice i can give is….DO NOT waste your your cooldowns.For example…meteor..why all elementalists have to unload at the start of the fight i do not understand.At the beggining of an engage in WvW if the enemy group is a little organised then all their groups have retaliation up.If you do a meteor on them you are most likely toasted or you will have to burn your healing cooldowns just to get yourself up.So the solution?…Wait for it.After some time retaliation will wear off and when they are close to 50% unload everything.Meteor will finish them for sure.

Also,watch your positioning..unless you are full PTV you cannot follow your commander inside an enemy zerg.Go around but be carefull not to go infront of the enemy pain train.You sualy try to go with their tail.

Greetings from Necrosis

Although i have much respect for Vizunah gameplay and stategy i am gonna say that i really do not like this match-up and i will not like the next one as well.
You do not get out of your towers unless you want to ninja-cap a keep after we wipe augury and when you come you actualy manage to bring all your map in one spot.That pushes my poor pc to the edge.This didn’t happen to any other match up besides the first one ofc.You play the points game perfectly but thats not so fun all the time.

Augury,i really pity you guys its a bad spot you are in currently.

Anyway we hope to see some more action in the comming week as yesterday we were just roaming around caping Augury towers sentrys and camps :/

I am drinking my coffee reading the thread since my last post,trying to entertain myself you know?..well i can’t.This thread has his hit a new low.Shame on all the sides.
Instead of being so vengefull why don’t you tell us stories of the match-up..i think we would all find it more entertaining.

Oh and remember guys…server pride is good.But this is a game.

Greetings all!

Necrosis had an absolute blast tonight in Riverside BL.We were 7-9 and we were running around looking for fights in the ruins and at the northern part of the map.
Kuddos to ZDs.EB,VG and SCND for the fights!
(SCND y u all so bunkery )…

Also personaly i would like to thank the thief that dueled me near the camp from northern hills.Lets do it again!

Finaly we closed our raid with a very special commando-ninja style cap of a T2 Bay from SFR.We practicly 7maned it
Gl and hf for the rest of the match-up

jkels.6398:

Using tornado for meteor shower is for bads. Yeah it increases DPS but you can be doing other things then spinning in circles with a giant target on your forehead saying kill me kill me. Like using the rest of your skills

Okei..like the rest of the skills you are using in this video?Besides meteor?..or the whatever-whenever water fields and the amazing control skills you show?..
Let me rephrase it for you..Tornado is only for people who know when and how to use it.
Not overly exited by your video..also bad music at the start.

Necrosis didn’t have a blast today in PS BL.
Loads of people afk doing nothing.We decided to claim and upgrade Dawns Tower.We did a good job for about 4 and a half hours.In the end it was a bad idea to scout for both Garrison and Dawns side as we were 7 and when garrison was under heavy fire we decided to go and man all the sieges that we put inside.When the attack to Dawns came it was too late.Well..there goes 5 hours worth of upgrading.

Gl and see you in the field

I will never understand why eles cast meteor shower when you know the pain train is fully stacked on retaliation…no patience whatsoever.
Use tornado..elemental will not help you much in these situations

Necrosis wishing everyone a good match-up.
Its high time we stop going for the loot and polish our siege engines.
Gl and hf

Or maybe i can give 200g for Rares and throw them in the forge for The legend…or that will be suicide?

Well i got
Gift of Mastery
Gisft of Fortune
100 Icy Runestones
If i sell the Lodestones i will get the money for the 250 dyes
If i resell the Chosen i will get about 300 gold and thats 400 short from buying The Legend

I am currently 95% ready to craft Flameseeker Prophecies,but my main is an elementalist,so i would like to have Bifrost for him.I was thinking of selling the shield for Bifrost.

1)Would it be worth it?
2)How does the sell work?…i mean do i choose meet highest buyer,put a price of my own?I am pretty much a noob when it comes to Black Lion tradepost.

Thanks in advance for answers

Same issue i am disconnecting with 2 characters when trying to log in orr enter AC and CoF.Please fix this asap

maeggle.6021:

Graendall.4765:

it just happens that in this match-up if equal numbers or higher you run..

There were 4 or so groups of 15-25 players each from Kodash on JS borderlands yesterday evening. I mostly saw [Necr] running with [DSun] and some other guild tags which were 40+, I guess? We even engaged you with 10-20 peeps because we hadn’t found a matching group for our offhanded starters raid with [KRS], anyways. Neither yours nor our groups disengaged early in any encounter I experienced.
Mentioning yesterday evening in regards of running away from fights is inaccurate, to put it mildly… /shrug

Anyways, good luck and have fun to everyone in this match

Yesterday evening on JS BL Piken had 0 commanders for about 5 hours,maybe more.
We were 4 guild raids and a lot of friendlies.DSun,Rise,VG and Necr.
Larger were DSun with around 20 people the rest of us were 10-15 with Necr being 11 tops at one point.Some times that you saw us all together was when we decided to do some joint hits on fortified towers/keeps…the arrowcarts were just so god kitten ed many.Apart from that every guild raid held and kept on its own.

It might be that because you had no numbers up to a point you kept to the 2 things you had on the map.But in the later hours of prime-time you had numbers.From my percpective,yeah you ran a lot.I apologise if that is not the case…tbh i never saw a guild raid.

My rant goes mainly to the fact that in this match-up there are no good open field fights.Even when we try to fight inside keeps its like we fight the arrowcarts not players.Excuse me but that is not my definition of fun.I will stop now.
Hf gl for the rest of the match-up.

Coarr.3286:

current ranking ( 12.11.13 9:34 CET )

1. Kodash 50044
2. Jade Sea 47826
3. Pikensquare 43749

did someone say something about kodash open field performance? i think we did a very good job so far with the most points from stomping / killing people.
i had a lot of fun so far, some very skilled players i have met yet. special thanks to the mesmer i lot to sunday morning. next time you will be mine

cya on the battlefield

I don’t know if you are stomping Jade Sea people or you are fighting less numbers from Piken but so far on open field you only engage if you outnumber us or we are just about to recover from a Jade Sea massacre.Don’t get me wrong i have faced Kodash since the first time Piken encountered you and i have lots of respect to you…it just happens that in this match-up if equal numbers or higher you run..saw it plenty of times on Jade Sea bl yesterday.You just fight better than Jade Sea.
A zerg of Risen is harder to kill than a zerg of Jade Sea players though.

I really want to say..“It doesn’t matter that we are behind in score,i am very pleased with this match up having the battles of my life”…i regret to say that this is not the case.
I am dissapointed by both enemy servers.

Jade Sea…i am really amazed how you are beating us in score..seems like you have 0 skill when it comes to open fights.You see red and you run,its so pathetic.You have close to one million arrowcarts in every keep,people afking with macros on trebs and so on.Not even one guild that is worth mentioning so far.

Kodash…you are much more respectable but you tend to run a lot more than its needed.Oftentimes you outnumbered us yet you decided to run.

All in all not a good match-up even if the lootbags come by the thousands.To whoever wins the week congratulations but your performance so far doesn’t do justice to your scores.

No no,i asked for guild Warforgis…its just that the name seems to pop everywhere and every time i am like..“wait,i have seen these guys again”…Souls of the Warhorn..i think i have seen em on our server recently!

And yeah 10 BuLL don’t die easily…