Guild Wars 2

Been a while since i dueled with d/d but i was using a build 0/6/0/6/6 and i kep getting rekt by Eviscerate warriors.My shocking aura wouldn’t stop the leap mid flight and the eviscerate seemed to land earlier than the animation.Anyone got feedback?

On the build discussion.D/D i tried 0/6/0/6/6 (lightning rod)AND 0/0/6/6/6 (stone heart).Earth survives a lot more while Air clears the fight MUCH faster.The gear i used was a mix of celestial and zerker.Earth trait line can vary.Written in stone is a good option to consider.
I think other classes are way more stronger melee wise after this patch.Mesmer Warrior Engi.Thiefs surprisingly where easier to handle.

Ah the younger generations of d/d eles…what does it mateer if celestial is OP.It just brings out all of our aspects.Its what we are supposed to do.Control the kittening elements.

If you think D/D Cantrip ele didn’t work before Celestial i am telling you now..you think wrong.Its a good build it works.Its been nerfed and nerfed.No need for more debating.Instead of asking if its OP ask the devs if they plan on changing traits in other lines so Fire(for example) can be used more.

D/D ele was ALWAYS OP in 1vs1 or more in the hands of a good player.It is known.

3 soldier/3 Knight pieces or 4/3 with Berserker/Cavalier trinkets should get you close..the raw dmg will be better on paper but you will lose plenty of Condition Dmg.
Aim for 2300-2400 armor.The rest of the stats should come alone nicely.Also..16-17k HP unbuffed is plenty enough.The rest is skill.

Love how you place your firefields.Good video you truly show that you know what you are doing with your CDs unlike other youtube heroes.

Fighting new players or people that don’t know what to do is nice.Makes you feel godlike.
But what is generaly said in this forum is correct and that is that if you face an equaly skilled button masher you are in for some challenging fights.If you find 2 of them..you most probably will have to run.

On my previous post i forgot to mention.Never run FGS when roaming unless you wanna cap a camp in WvW or doing PvE.Fire elemental is tremendous dps.Like one aoe attack from it can take 1/5 of a warriors life.If you manage to time your stuns/knockbacks with it you will do too much dmg for the warrior to handle.
Ofc..a decent player when he will see the elemental he will try to kill it…while he is focusing on it you can very well throw down some of your big cds like Firegrab or churning earth.

Classic D/D can combat almost any class spec out there.(0/2/0/6/6)..celestial in spvp,a lot better stats in WvW.

Well there are plenty of giveaways nowdays in MMOs but its rare to find this kind of occasion.I hope you feel good with what you are doing cause i would if i was in your place.Adding my name in the hat

People saying ele was bad,were people that never understood attunements or could use em.
D/D always,even after all those nerfs could go against 99% of builds out there and win.
That in the hands of a good player.

Strength got nerfed btw

Well…Since you linked a buid in spvp mode,it really depends what warrior build you are fighting.
There are some general things you should know.You should be able to see what stances he has active any given time.
If he has a Longbow you should be going in and personal meaning,unload everything on him and push for dmg.
If he has hammer/shield/axe/mace,you kite until the important moves are on cd.Your stability is little and with huge cd.Use it wisely in case you are caught in that shieldbash and want to avoid the eviscerate.
Keep your dodges for eviscerate/kill shot/skullcrack/hammerstun.Thats almost all of his F1 abilitites.Learn the animations and learn when to dodge them.Its very easy unless he is a very small Asura.
Ofc NEVER unload when Endure Pain is up or Shield Block.Also Churning earth during Berserker Stance is a wasted cd aswell.
In general to counter the OP Healing signet all you need to do is apply minor conditions.You are very good at that.Daggers Fire 2..stack earth auto/churning earth all of them negate the signets effect if you have a logical amount of condi dmg,which you have since you linked a build with celestial trinket.

celestial is so cheap atm.
Strength is not OP at the slightest.Provides a dmg boost that is needed.
I admit though Pack allows you to not take traditional trait choices and try sth different.
I used to run Pack about a year ago.The cd was a total fake.The runes effect procs all the time.Not sure if changed now

Dude i don’t know if this thread sparcled all this interest in Frostbow builds but yesterday i played 5 matches 4 of which had eles using this build.It puts down insane pressure and some matches where the ele was cooperating with his teamates (prolly TS) the results were devastating.

Its highly likely they run very little armor with that setup.Personaly i find them very easy to deal with unless they are a charr…dunno maybe cause of massive figure and animations that seem slower i lose my tempo.

What you wanna do is make them think you wanna go mano a mano.Go close then go far all the time while utilising frost aura/ground correctly.Use static aura when they go to axe/shield and they do 2.They will panic and then will use shield 5.use that time to gain distance/prepare to burst with Burning speed and heal up.Only dodge one of the 2 hammer stuns,if you can both then its okei.I good armor of earth will ruin their rotation cause many warrior just don’t see it and they think they have you stuned for ages.Engage and disengage fast.They don’t have much mobility and Shield bash is not as dangerous as it seems,if you know the range you might not even have to dodge it.
Apply burning on cooldown btw it counts their healing signet really hard.
Oh and it goes without saying,even if you fail all the above learn to dodge the animation of eviscerate

I played same thing with staff in WvW.No Icebow though.Also toyed around when they changed tempest defense.I found it very rewarding vs thiefs in OS.
I really like the theory.Gonna give it a try

I only have problem when i don’t focus.Its kinda obvious what a mesmer will do.
I usualy open with a LF+Updraft to make him panic.They will insta use staff skill to back up or blink to go opposite side.I don’t fret i wait for them to reveal.I also count to 3 slowly cause about then an invisible illusion will start hitting me..i dodge it.
He comes out of stealth i try to immobilise with magentic grasp while building my might all the while doing aoe dmg to clones.
Too much condis?Go water.
Immobilise?Cleansing Fire and dodge the dmg.
He lifts the greatsword high?Berserker Animation,dodge.
Too much purple around you..beware Shatter is comming,i dodge
I closed up on him,this kitteny sword move is comming,quick i change to air and do Static Aura.
After all these and with keeping pressure with Burning Speed most mesmers are done for with Daggers.
Ofc there are exeptions and i often time lose to good shatter mesmers.

The amount of ego in this thread is overwhelming.
So many people got offended by him claiming to be the best around.
Unbelievable as to how many people took the bait.Shows a lot of things about the people playing the class.I know that we are few and i know that even less are good but please..most of you in here must think you are gods because you play an underplayed calss that has gone from heaven to hell and back to earth.Take a chill pill and enjoy the funny thread.

Veinsmeet.4385:

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As above, no one is running that. Even if a few are experimentally running it for whatever reason it’s definitely not the meta.
Trying to stack healing power also makes little sense when your best group heals are scaling off the blaster, not you.
Why are you even posting that in a thread about meta-DPS builds?

If you want to do dmg and have some survivability provided by your traits, the easiest way to do this is by changing all your armor ro Zerker with offensive runes(Scholar or Strength or even Divinity) and going the regular 0/2/0/6/6 bunker spec.Decent dmg to even the most tanky enemies.In huge blobfights its hard cause of the havoc but if you manage to get some dmg inside you are almost bound to rally.

With organised guild groups it works better cause you know how to move.Needs really good gameplay to survive.

Well for me OS is the best place in the game currently.I really love and respect what players have done with the dueling system and the gvg.Ofc there are always trollers and gankers but they are usualy so bad they get ridiculed fast and give up.

I have spent countless hours dueling in OS or zerging gankers with no particular reward.

If you are running 6 points in water with lots of condi cleanses(and Cleansing Fire) imo ER is overkill.
Also i have found that even though ER is stronk vs condis if you really wanna win against someone you need to be offensive.Signet does just that.You can be offensive while regenerating on the go with a Water Attun. cicle.ER will most of the times make you go away and come back in.

So you are saying full zerk?.Do you have a link to a build site?

Hello,as the title implies i am new to ranger.I just hit lvl80 and i am wondering what gear to buy.Ranger will be one of my alts as i main Elementalist but i really want to learn to duel/roam and do spvp.In spvp i didn;t like spirit ranger much but that opinion might change.

So i am asking you.What gear/traits/runes/sigils should i get for what i want.
(I am not a zerg player.I run only with organised guild group and then i play my Ele)

Kill Phantasmal Duelist asap.The rest will go down with aoe.Berserker is very easy to dodge.He will eventualy die from aoes aswell.

About necros…focus the necro.You have to stick on him,never let him freecast.The further away you are from him the most likely it is for you to lose.

A stealth class that cannot be seen and used to crit for 10k on 2.8k armor is a cheat class with no particular skill.Most infuriating thing is watching couples of berserker thiefs jumping out of nowhere ganking you and then dancing on you.

I know what i am saying is a general nothing but i never liked stealth classes in any MMO.They are mostly griefing classes and not so balanced.In GW2 i would say they are leaning towards the balance line but there are mechanics that are broken still.

Dunno guys.Thief is still the class i lose mostly in duels (but i enjoy the most killing)
Very “skilled” thiefs are a tough nut to crack.Specialy builds that get to run around OS.I mean,how many gap closers do we have if RTL doesn’t hit.
Thief duels take me some time if they play condi or they are carefull and run around.Its very infuriating.Also fought a thief that just dodged everything.Literaly everything,couldn’t land kitten and when i did he just healed back up.
We are not exactly hard-counter.I would say they got more choices to fight us,while ele can only fight back with D/D or D/F.

Their evade is broken btw.

Fire Shield is fine with this skill.More than fine actualy.The amount of might is insane.
I also use it as a kiting weapon.There is nothing better than immobilising an enemy D/D ele and see him lose his RTL/Shocking Aura combo,or a warrior whirlinding in his place.

What should be fixed is the bug that makes the projectile dissapear halfway to the enemy target.Half the times is that and other half they dodge it

If you wanna duel go to Obsidian Sanctum.
In WvW everything is permited.And someone doesn’t lose a fight until he/she is stomped.
He runs, he resets, he comes back and pwns you.He has won.
On the rare case that someone wants to be honorable just do the /bow but i think you all know you are bound to be interupted by enemies or allies.

I had celestial armor and i broke it because when i used the calculator i found out that PVT set with a mix of Berserker/Cavalier gave me the same Ferocity and a lot more power.

The only good thing about a full celestial set is the condi and the healing power who are a lot more than my current set.I am still not sure if it was a bad idea to break the set.I might make anotherone just to test,but i was really dissapointed when the patch came out.I know plenty of good eles used to run FULL celestial(armor/trinkets) and that may be still viable for sets like D/D S/D.Not for staff though.

Also i went full zerkers in WvW with staff.I think its not worth it.Even with 6 points in earth and the new trait the armor will not save you if gankers head your way.So far i find it impossible to reah the lvls of destruction i could achieve with staff pre-patch(unless you are hitting upleveled players ofc)

RTL is fine as it is.-
Our mobility is good enough.Other things need to be reworked with daggers like churning earth and Fire Grab being the most difficult skills to land in the game with little reward.

I completly agree with the list.
I am having a blast with 0/6/0/2/6 with dueling in OS and sometimes in yoloque as conditions devour me.If i use my interrupts wisely i can retain a steady pressure on any power build.

0/0/2/6/6 in wvw with cleric.The healing is nice but i think the old version is better as you need to be in a melee party where Stability is a must.Many times getting roflstomp even with the huge amount of healing.Also feeling kinda useless sometimes as dmg is terribad.

Not much to say about the other 3.Haven’t found any traits that i like with stoneheart.More than 25 points in earth seemed always as an overkill for me.

Classic D/D is X/X/X/30/30

Dolores.5471:

FrownyClown.8402:

Not to discredit daphenix but id prob beat him in a duel. He was good at evading. Probably better than anyone I’ve seen. He didn’t actually create the build. He popularized it. No one could do what he did but now he is obsolete.

I agree he was not the creator of d/d, as no one really was. But saying that he is obsolete seems a little contradictory when we have people coming to this bilion years old thread just to throw shade at him. His build might be outdated yes, but the position he assumed in the ele community, due to all the attention he gathered at the time, is to this day disputed, this discussion is a proof of it. Might be one of the reasons the ele forums seem like an endless episode of The Real Housewives of name your favorite.

I love you for this last line.

If i am putting words in Mcbelchs mouth then please elaborate..did you meant he ran away in a good way?or in a bad?I know running away is simple but there is always a reason behind it.If you fought so many enemies at once ,would you fstand in place and BS into them like a noob or would you kite them and kill them one by one?

Anyway there is no point in the discussion.Dapphoenix is no God but he gave the ele community a lot.More than anyone and a lot more than those guys like Mcbelch that refuse to share their builds/gears/tactics cause they think they are the best at one class in a game.GG

Tei.1704:

Graendall.4765:

Your opinions will be respected when you will respect your co-player.

The threshold for respect is so arbitrary. Some people are so sensitive and defensive that any negativity is seen as disrespect. Every negative opinion shouldn’t have to be watered down because people need emotional babysitters.

I didn’t see Mblech say anything inflammatory or disrespectful. Sorry he has an opinion people disagree with though. Pretty sure that doesn’t make him a jealous foolish scrub or whatever random generic label you pull out of a hat though. And why people feel the need to defend a guy that probably doesn’t even play anymore is beyond me.

He said that all Dapphoenix did was run away,basicly calling him a coward and a troll when its so clear that in all these situations he had the superior skill to outmaneuver and outplay several enemies.Don’t know about you but if i was Dapphoenix and i was called a troll by a random dude i would get a little offended (very little…since this is a game)….hence he is disrespectfull.

And once more this guy got me into my favorite class and the reason i keep playing this game..

Ahahahaha….Why is it that so many NA D/D eles think themselves better than everyone else?

Dapphoenix got many of us into the class.Some of us stayed.Discrediting him makes you look like the fool since you have no actual proof that you could do better.You are basicly a nobody posting in a class forum,like the rest of us.Your opinions will be respected when you will respect your co-player.

Also if someone wants to ask sth in a thread that has answered a mirriad of questions about our class,then they must kittening do it.Plenty of times questions were answered by others besides Dapphoenix.

Seems like Rune of Strength with celestial amulet,the burning speed evade and the insane amount of might stacking coupled with an energy sigil can make classic D/D hold points against 2 or even 3 opponents AND down some of them.
I was at a game in tque yesterday and a Bunker Gua says in /s Wtb ele dmg ^^ while i was Lightning Whiping him…so i unload all my rotation on him and soon he was running for his life only to die some seconds after.

I have found so far that i have a problem vs Necros and really really skilled mesmers(thats rare).I can now kill Bunker warriors/guas/engis a lot easier and i savor every opponent i stomp.

0/6/0/2/6 or 0/0/6/2/6 or 0/2/0/6/6 seem to work really good so far.Celestial or Soldier Amulet with Energy/Battle sigils and Runes of Strength.Besides Divinity (which i find still good) i cannot see any other option concerning runes.(Maybe Ogre which were viable before).

I saw one guy in /map say he played 0/6/6/0/2 D/D with strength,dunno how that goes.

Classic D/D with runes of strength and sigils energy/battle seems pretty stronk to me if you know how to keep your might up (soldier amulet).I have minimum 11 stacks most of the time

Tried also 0/30/0/10/30
So much fun with the interrupts.Used celestial amulet on this one,but i guess soldier works aswell.I could burst someone down when they didn’t expect it but i would get destroyed if ganked by more than 2.

I have raged over thousands of defeats in OS over PU mesmers.
I usualy lose when they are wise enough to stay at max range.Some tips i can give that i use when i fight them are:
1)Their phantasmal animations are pretty easy to notice.Even with an Asura,so dodging the phant burst is sometimes easy
2)When i close in to them they will use blurred frenzy,make sure you got static aura available asap
3)This is really random but i try to predict where they will go when they stealth.
4)When you see many clones around you,preprare yourself for the incomming immobilisation.Maximum condi cleanse helps a lot in these fights and lots of vigor for dodges.

If you suck at duels with warrior i can guarantee you are doing sth wrong.
You either use the wrong traits or you are being outplayed with a class that is a lot more forgiving than the ones you mentioned.
There are warriors that are untouchable in OS and can dfeat any class.Don’t blame mechanics,try to improve yourself.

wingclip.6182:

I agree accusing an entire server for hacking is trolling at best.

Numbers and Nightcapping = win

So back to topic:

1 Gandara
2 Pikens
3 Gunnars
4 Drakkar
5 Fsp
…..

Piken will be 4th at best…the only time we got ques is primetime and the most i have seen is 55 in EB.Even if a guildy is stuck in que it won’t take more than 30 minutes to get in the map which is a blessing contrary to last season.
We are losing this cause of coverage,but i think all the server is having loads of fun.
Still maintaining our status as a really strong open field server

Gandara is not stomping anything.Their night crew and morning blobs in all maps win their MU.

I was amazed at how bad their players were.Nothing near skilled or even decent.

I have found a very rewarding DPS spec with lots survivability if played correctly is

0/10/25/25/10 cantrip build.The traits are your choice mostly but be sure to pick up Piercing Shards/Bolt to the Heart and +5% dmg on bleeds in earth line.Tornado as elite.
With celestial i have almost 3k armor 29k hp(with guard stacks) 3300 AP(with bloodlust stacks) 20% crit chance and around 100% critical dmg.Though this will be nerfed,i can see it still doing some nice dmg.My trinkets are Cavalier.

Well i don’t care for camping the chest or the pit or the spwn.
It disgusts me to see players comming in the arena and disrupting duels by ganking in teams.
The arena is the only place i can find skilled players easily and make friends nowdays ingame.
I know they are not doing anything wrong gamewise but it dishonors them and shows how bad they are.Both as persons and playing skill.

Anyway,i think this will die down after 3 weeks in the leagues.Try early morning hours and bring friends.

LordByron.8369:

Graendall.4765:

Classic D/D will still be as it was and its going to be even stronger with Burning Speed/runes/sigils boost.You will just lose the crit dmg.

D/D is losing a lot…
-Crit damage was the foundation of the build since nerf.
-RUNE nerf on boon duration
-Other professions will get a second sigil while D/D won t get anything
-Nerf to FGS

-I’ve started using PVT and Knights again so as to prepare for the comming changes.Its not that bad..really.
-Stoped using boon duration months now.Personaly i find it overated.
Other runes will be up for using and i think you will still be able to use Boon duration runes if you need them so much.
-Yes but you can use 2 dmg on crit sigils/2 dmg on swap sigils etc.Energy/Battle…Fire/Air and a lot others.
-The only case i use FGS is PvE(which is a joke in this game) and rarely in WvW in order to escape.

Classic D/D will still be as it was and its going to be even stronger with Burning Speed/runes/sigils boost.You will just lose the crit dmg.Believe me i don’t wanna go back to stone age with PVT again,but i have been using my old set recently instead of my celestial set and i can still kill people.I don’t see 8k firegrabs,but i can still get the job done.Maybe with some offensive runes and sigils the dmg will get boosted.2 offensive sigils will be a huge dmg boost every ICD.

About new builds.I am definatly trying the fire trait.But i find it usefull for duels or 1vs1 situations only.Will be fun as i always use cleansing fire offensivly to land my Fire grab.

About WvW i have found that Celestial with 0/0/20/30/20 is the best build to follow the melee train and do a lot of burst dmg.I think it will be more viable with Burning speed and frozen burst.

Even if it affects it,imo its a fair trade..evading in Burning Speed sounds really OP to me.And how is it gonna work when we LF during the evade phase?Will we be evading everything that is thrown at us at the spot LF lands?

The only time i have a problem landing Burning speed is vs other elementalists or thiefs and usualy in a dueling enviroment.In WvW i don’t even think about wasting LF+BS while fighting blobs or large numbers.

Nice analysis..i have a question.Is lightning rod aoe?
Cause this will be very good for staff and WvW group play.Applying weakness with statics and earths 4.Not to mention the aoe dmg IF the lighting bolt does dmg.

posthumecaver.6473:

Graendall.4765:

With the clarification,i think its going to be nice for WvW.Say a guild runs with 3 staff/support elementalists(0/0/10/30/30) full cleric/magi with stacks etc…at least 1 or even 2 can get this trait.Can make good “on the go” heals when you pass through that zerg.Also do not forget that you can have 4 blast finishers with staff so the healing in regroups or even mid-fight can be good + Energy sigils on staff will buff the waterbot builds(all builds really) even more.

I have never tried cleric armor on my ele besides cleric trinkets.Tempted to buy them now just for the fun of it.

To all who is saying there is no healer in GW2.I guess you haven’t played Mace/Shield/Staff full cleric guardian(2k healingpower).Its almost the same thing as the build that everyone is theorycrafting in this thread.The Guards heal is huge and can keep up a melee party up very easily even in outmaned situations.No dmg,just heal,with cleanses.

Yeah we know Guardian build and we also know that he will be kicked from dungeon runs because of no damage element.

And in Zerg environment what will keep you alive is 15 guardians blasting water fields not my %25 healing increase.

I am not talking about PvE enviroment.Maybe in fractals though,it can be applycable.
It can very well work in WvW,think of the dodges in EA the big waters on the go, the autoattack in water.And not only with staff,even D/D can benefit from this due to the larger vigor uptime,more dodges more heals,cleansing wave.

Healing Guardians if played right allow for greater diversity in organised play because other classes can focus on more dmg.But that is organised group play.

With the clarification,i think its going to be nice for WvW.Say a guild runs with 3 staff/support elementalists(0/0/10/30/30) full cleric/magi with stacks etc…at least 1 or even 2 can get this trait.Can make good “on the go” heals when you pass through that zerg.Also do not forget that you can have 4 blast finishers with staff so the healing in regroups or even mid-fight can be good + Energy sigils on staff will buff the waterbot builds(all builds really) even more.

I have never tried cleric armor on my ele besides cleric trinkets.Tempted to buy them now just for the fun of it.

To all who is saying there is no healer in GW2.I guess you haven’t played Mace/Shield/Staff full cleric guardian(2k healingpower).Its almost the same thing as the build that everyone is theorycrafting in this thread.The Guards heal is huge and can keep up a melee party up very easily even in outmaned situations.No dmg,just heal,with cleanses.

Well,the ony use i can think of is in WvW.Can make those waterfield regroups a lot stronger for smaller teams.But once again,waterbot elementalist is the most boring thing to play and with the celestial nerf its going to be even more boring.I can see this working well with cleric type armors/jewels but thats so little dmg,so little health.

Yay for more staff waterbots!!!!….not
I bet the best gandmaster trait will be in Arcana or Fire.

If you have karma cavalier is very easy to get.Find a temple of Blathazaar opena and buy them all.A good alternative would be Knights/Berserker mix.

Nice duels,i like how you don’t use your utility skills unless its necessary.I have to learn to do that.
Tbh engineers and mesmers that i face everyday in OS are more tough to win against in EU.Might have to do with the match-up you recorded though, cause quality of players differs from MU to MU.(not saying they were bad or anything)

I think we are just getting new skills that will open up more synergy between skills/builds.Some minor trait changes and new armor stats.I don’t see what role the elementalist can get besides boon buffer and condi cleanser,which already exist in the game.The only problem with those 2 roles is if youw anna do em right you gotta do only that.Ofc i am not talking about PvE.