Guild Wars 2

fellyn.5083:

Ian.7380:

A hearty welcome to the guys from Darkhaven who came over! Good to have you.

You shouldn’t be happy to see them. Fair weather players are bad for every one.

You are one of the main guys I like to disagree with here but I gotta say, I couldn’t agree with you more on your post. We witnessed pretty much the same thing you guys are going through now sometime back and it’s not a good feeling.

Rezzet.3614:

WOW is darkhaven’s popularity composed of only thiefs and mesmers Every single squad i see raiding has like 12 thiefs and 7 mesmers lol.

Whatever it takes to get the job done. Don’t underestimate DH, it would be a mistake.

graverr.6473:

Everyone was exlpoiting this big time.You can’t really fool me into believing that everyone that i ever saw “Dc” just before i was to apply the finisher.I have almost 5k kills in WvW and i mostly run solo,that means i made at least half of those kills in 1v1s and 1v2s(not zerg tagging)and i can say NEVER and i repeat NEVER one opponent Dced while he had the upper hand while also every time i saw someone with “poor connectivity” it only happened when they were about to die.seen this hundred of times.I am not a statistician but i would dare to say nobody the cases of random disconnects in a fight are less than 1% and if you are one of those than Anet is really not responsible and should not obscure the majority of their playerbase because such a small minority.As far as i’m concerned Anet made a 1st good step against griefers.If you can’t take a beating then stick to pve,also if the connectivity is poor contact your internet provider and stop ruining the fun of ppl who already did so in the 1st place with conspiracy theories.

If you consider this griefing then you obviously never played GW1. You get that bent over losing a POSSIBLE badge or some junk, then you take a GAME way too seriously.

Bottom line in anything here should be balance. When you start having to make certain skill (builds) to counter a certain class/build then it’s nothing more than Build Wars 2. Any class should have a fair chance to survive or kill an opponent regardless of the skills they’ve chosen. Someone clearly has their head up in a dark hole here because they missed the mark.

Shadowkx.2738:

Rolled up a thief. By lvl 24 (all in wvw) it is clear this class is broken. The only times i have been downed is when i stop for a teammate who over extended. Otherwise the fight ends when i say it ends. I get away clean, even if i try a fight i can’t win. There is no risk at all. The wild swings at nothing are quite amusing but stealth is a hard counter to everything. It is not hard to dodge enemy attacks in the first place. It is even easier to dodge when the enemy can not see which way you are moving.

Every other class has to risk being downed when they initiate combat. Thieves can just reset the fight. That i think is the source of the problem. Stealth done wrong yet again. When will companies stop adding a stealth class? Anet didn’t even bother to add a counter to it at all.

They did ok with the mesmer blink, but I agree, this is over the top ridiculous. I fight nude (without armor) and just alt-f4 anyways. I will continue to do so until Anet removes armor repair from this form of pvp and fixes the thief to a more balanced class. They need to use the same model in Spvp, upscaled armor along with level and no armor repairs. Oh yes, a thief DOES like to single out those players with the little green arrow beside their name. They need to make a Troll race and that is all thieves can choose because that’s essentially what the majority of them are.

fellyn.5083:

Assassinin.4963:

Romek.4201:

when you DC tooo much you should fix it with your provider not arenanet with you

Your viewpoint is too naive imo. Each death and repair bill cost 1 silver 64 bronze. A single DC server wide will probably affect let say 10,000 players active in combat (assuming each server supporting 25,000 players of which only 10,000 players are in active combat) and chalk up a total repair bill of 164 golds. Taken across a server farm of 30 servers, a data center wide DC will reap Anet a total of 4920 golds. Not a bad commercial initiatives I must say.

Furthermore, if you have played WoW, you would have known that there is an exploit out there that can mass DC player in battleground. I hope that exploit don’t work in GW2, but I am not too sure.

If you think DC is not an issue with Anet or anybody other than your internet service provider, think twice. Don’t be too kitten sure.

Conspiracy theories are fun. I’ve never once disconnected in wvwvw but the leader of the guild I’m in disconnects quite often.

Since we’re both playing the same game and mine is perfectly stable the only difference can be our computers or internet connections.

The problem is not always the ISP or PC. The problem occurs a LOT more at Anet than one might think. I had been having random DC problems and decided to place a monitor program at each step of a trace route right up to Anet’s servers. In other words, I could measure and calculate network data at every point and determine any data/packet loss or timeouts. Nine times out of ten the problem was at Anet’s front door.

There are many problems with this and Anet has chosen to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to it. Whatever their motivation for some things might be, it seems a bit shady to me. Getting locked into a combat mode (yes it does happen), running across a perma stealth thief made even more glorified by Anet’s inability to resolve the culling issue, you suffer the same penalty for trying to get away from an NPC or a DC penalty just for being near one (Have the NPCs been complaining about alt-f4 again because they’re not getting their stinking badges?), the fact that this forces players to choose between possible high repair costs or constant zerging (which in itself is merely a mass of people mass spamming skills) and makes it a numbers game instead of skill. Oh and don’t get me started on the Breakout Events. I thought it was April Fools day because that’s the biggest joke I’ve seen to date in this game.
Even though Anet has taken so much fun out of my past ability to enjoy some solo game play in WvW, I still refuse to pay for armor repairs there. I simply remove all of my armor and continue to alt-f4 as I did in the past when necessary. Sure it makes my character a little weaker, but I’ve got the skill to pull it off.
Should have listened to players Anet, just remove the armor repair costs in PvP environments. There’s none in Spvp. Why WvW? Repair costs removed = Problem solved.

Yenn.9185:

What I don’t understand is why are people so obsessed with getting a puny, often-than-not useless white salvage (OK, maybe a badge or two once in a while). When I see players disappear, I just call it my win and move on.

I did the same. No big deal.

shkabo.4856:

Pavel.8531:

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

its only a flipping 2 silver repair ._.
unless you literally dc several dozen times the cost is insignificant.

It’s a chance to get loot worth way less than 2 silver… My game crashes around every 30 to 40 minutes in wvw or LA only. How would you feel, for example 1 mob locks you in combat, then you d/c and you find a broken piece of gear? I know there are people with similar issues… was the alt+f4 issue so big that arenanet had to penalise us? If you alt+f4 you are out of the combat way longer than simply dieing anyway, please, do so I am at war, not at grind fest for badges.

If you are in PvP combat, then you get penalty. On the other hand, you might thinking to get a better connection than dial-up since that’s the problem in your case.
A lot of people at the same place, your connection get flodded w/ information, and since it can’t handle it, disconnect happens.
tl;dr: your PC doesn’t respond with PONG on Anet’s PING

You are wrong about PvP combat only. You can go out and fight a damn fly, pig, or w/e and dc and you will STILL get a penalty. So you get a penalty for a DC just being near a NPC.

Dafomen.7892:

So after free transfers and all those WTJ created a huge imbalance, Anet tries to rebalance with…NPCs.

/facepalm

oh wait, lets just give those depopulated servers NPCs to fill up the missing people, matching the steamrolling servers population in WvW at any given time.

No balance issues, problem solved.

I swear I was just sitting here thinking the same thing. If this is an attempt at balance, it is my belief it’s a failure.

Caliburn.1845:

Darkhaven at reset yesterday had queues for two maps for perhaps an hour. At various points we had outmanned buff on the other two maps.

Then came the patch and Wintersday’s stuff, and we had the outmanned buff on all maps(except briefly on DH bl) for the rest of the night.

BP looks pretty organized, but again DH only has RE and GoF who field 40+ numbers during the late afternoon and primetime. And WE who is a distant third fielding around 20 during late primetime hours into early morning. That is it. Side Effect is gone. HoT, Omen, SoS, DRoW used to field 10-15+ members in WvW, but all those guilds rarely(if ever) do organized WvW currently. There are a couple smaller guilds that field maybe 5-10 people, and I hope they develop into bigger and better assets for DH.

I wish we could fight BP on a numerically even basis and really test how good your organization and coordination is, but even without the Wintersday stuff, but that isn’t going to happen this week. You’re going to outnumber us at pretty much all hours.

Then again, DH’s true role in this match-up is to act as a spoiler and drag on BP, to prevent you from gaining that 600PPT for hours on end that would let you beat DB’s oceanic scoring period. DH has taken over the role that NSP had held for the previous three weeks. We can’t win ourselves, but we can help determine which other server wins.

Of course, since most of DH strongly dislikes DB after three weeks of going to bed with a lead and waking up behind we’re not particularly motivated to help them…

Maybe we’ll just all decide to take a week off.

Maybe it’s time we put aside our petty differences and work together? DH and DB together can put whoever we want in 1st place.

Kelvingts.2035:

Hartman.4267:

So, you’ve now passed us dragonbrand… hehe give us a few hours, then the real fight begins again

You guys don’t know what you’re in for. From what I see atm Bp isn’t pulling ahead enough to make up for the score db can easily gain during oceanic times. Weekdays are even crazier here on db.

When we lost to dh 2 weeks ago, they pulled ahead of us enough to keep us at 2nd and 3rd place. So our oceanic couldn’t make up the point difference tho it was close.

im just saying bp is the raising star, but its not like db or dh is a cake walk either

Indeed, DH will make it hard for you. We’ll make it even harder. Good luck, you’re going to need it.

This appears to be for account issues older than three days but what about game breaking problems that are older than three days? IE: I can’t invite new players to the guild? Error 3040. Seems this has been around for about 3 months now.
ref # 121211-000604. I’m basically being told to sit around and wait while the guild deteriorates.

Warlord.9074:

Narkosys.5173:

Of course it is dead it is full of zombies lol.
What the real issue is :
Anet nerfed open world loot drops and increased timers on events in orr in order to make people buy gems to convert to gold.
Because the only place to get gold and teh awesome gear is to grind fracs over and over and over you stay in LA. They funneled everyone to 1 thing.
So if you dont do dungeons and do open world stuff you spend 5X the work and time for the reward and by consequence give up.
They let the game stagnate so that people will buy gems and convert to gold or grind fracs.

This is kinda an exaggeration and all actions listed are not necessarily linked to each other, its a great conspiracy but even though the conspiracy is false all things you mentioned are true. So it reflects the current state of the game, however your representation of that is false but is comprised of true things. What I’m trying to say is it doesn’t matter how you get somewhere if the end result is the same. While what you are saying is constructed in a way that this is kinda shady, the intention of A-Net may have not been shady but the end result is shady.

The bottom line is ALWAYS money, and there’s always someone at the top pushing the bottom line.

No armor equipped = no repair penalty. I can see this being exploited.

morrolan.9608:

deviller.9135:

I disagree with the plan fix for “alt+f4/DC” just because you are in combat.

Simple scenario: I treb (maximum power) and hit a NPC/Player which put me in combat. Suddenly I DC-ed (maybe connection error, client crash, blue screen) before this “in combat” status dissipates. After I log in, I found my character died. Seriously died because you hit NPC/Player 10,000 units away from you and DC !!! Bravo….. (dunno if that player get exp/loot).

Thats an outlier so does it really matter? You get some minor repair cost so what, the other guy wouldn’t get anything cause he hasn’t landed a blow on you.

1.64 silver minimum for exotic armor repair is not exactly minor. The penalty also applies to aggro NPC’s being near you as well. Just remove the armor repair cost in WvW altogether, problem solved. There’s no repairs in Spvp, doesn’t make much sense in WvW. There’s much bigger fish to fry, or to put it in plain english, there’s much bigger problems than this that should be dealt with. Or just run around naked all the time. Makes sense to me…

Lord Aargadon.4135:

NSP stopping by, someone should post a score update so we can see how DB and DH are handling BP.

I miss you guys… for a smaller Pop. server, you guys are tough!

DKz Lux.4125:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

And I thought DH was bad in previous thread posts… They ain’t got nothin’ on all the BP trolling in here. Ahh well off to see what all this new update in wvw is. Doesn’t look good from what I’ve seen so far.

We have Trolls Ed. class every Sunday. Glad you recognize our fine craftsmanship.

Silly BP, Don’t you know trolling is for noobs and Thieves?

I think I’m done with WvW and GW2 period. So many things changing and yet there are problems with the guild interface that has been a known issue for 3 months. When you can’t invite new members to a guild and it’s been 3 months, something is wrong with priorities. Random disconnects are now going to cost me a minimum of 1.64 silver on exotic armor. I know it’s not my connection as I have been monitoring it for almost 2 months now. I’ve started a character of every race and been through all content on at least 1, so it’s repetitious after that. WvW was my end game content and it appears the nerfing is in full swing now.

And I thought DH was bad in previous thread posts… They ain’t got nothin’ on all the BP trolling in here. Ahh well off to see what all this new update in wvw is. Doesn’t look good from what I’ve seen so far.

Looking at some of the background and other reports of this error 3040, it appears this is a problem that has been around since mid-September. Being able to invite people into a guild is a key element of this game. This is crippling our progress in many ways. It’s only a matter of time before people start leaving to join larger guilds. Development should have been able to find or do something with this in three months. Please excuse me if I’m not overtly confident this issue will be resolved anytime soon.

Tuluum.9638:

We are on Darkhaven. At the games release, I personally tried to take part in the whole DHA thing giving ideas, etc. No one listened, though I do see some of the suggestions being put into use just as a matter of course (it was bound to happen eventually).

So, I gave up on actually attempting to help, and we are just looking for a server with a good base and foundation to build off of. I dont believe specifically what we are looking for exists currently though. I havent seen anyone give ideas for long term goals, “training camps” for new players that might be intimidated otherwise, encouraging more wvw participation, contests, etc.

Honestly, its not a big deal :P I doubt such a thing will ever exist unless enough people get together and actively pursue it (which is why I responded).

I don’t know of any server that does the sort of things you’ve mentioned, but I actually have “training days” where I take a small group of guild members in and coach/train them through the use of Teamspeak 3. Makes it so much easier than explaining a lot of stuff through typing in chat. Even if they have no mic, they can still listen in and understand. Our guild has run contests, ect. for many years and it’s fun when they’re engaged and obviously enjoying themselves. Contests for best logo/cape designs, as we often changed logos/capes during the Christmas holiday. Prizes were given out as gold, dyes, special buff items, potions, mini pets, ect. ect. We were active for 6+ years in GW1. I’ve also known and been associated with guilds and “in-game DJ’s” that would host special parties while you listened to Blade Radio, ect. I do believe you’re on the right path to keeping your guild active and enjoying themselves, and that is a key element to keeping guilds alive.

Following is correspondence from support on a current issue where we cannot invite new members:

Customer Jeff Herman via CSS Web 12/11/2012 01:00 AM
I am the guild leader and get error code 3040 when trying to invite a new member into the guild. There are only 16 members in the guild and I am currently in no other guild. If it makes a difference, I was in 2 others, but left one a while back and left this one tonight thinking maybe it was interfering with my ability to invite more into mine. I have represented my guild and only my guild from day 1. I have attached a screen of the error for your review. Please get back to me asap because I have people waiting to get in. Oh and by the way, I did try increasing the guild size but it told me I did not have enough members. There are also no unanswered invites.

Response Allen T. via Email 12/11/2012 09:41 AM
Hello,

We are aware of some ongoing issues with guilds, which are causing a variety of symptoms. These can include things like not being able to see that you are in a guild, not being able to make changes to the guild, difficulty accessing the guild bank, and so on. These guild issues are being actively investigated and we have already implemented several fixes that have cleared up many of the problems. However, we know that there is still more work to do and the development team is actively investigating the remaining issues.

In many cases, the problem is temporary and the following actions may correct it:

- Stand down, change zones or log out and back in, then represent the guild again.
- Restart your client entirely.

In the meantime, be sure to keep an eye on the latest game status updates located on the following web pages:

Game Status Update page http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_status_updates
Archived Game Status page: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_status_updates/Archive_1

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Regards,
[GM] Kirito
Guild Wars Support Team
http://support.guildwars2.com/

Customer Jeff Herman via CSS Web 12/11/2012 02:17 PM
I tried your suggestions but unfortunately this did not resolve my immediate problem. I will try again, periodically to see if I can “self resolve” this issue. If I find a combination that works, I will notify you asap. If you find a solution, or development resolves it, I trust you will let me and others know. Thanks.

Apparently there have been issues with the error code 3040 since mid September. We’re talking THREE months here. This is a MAJOR problem that warrants immediate attention, but it’s apparently not getting it. Surely something must be known or could have been done in a three month span. I just went from a 50 slot to a 100 slot TS3 (Teamspeak 3) server in anticipation of increasing the guild size so this issue is actually costing me money. Had I known there would be an issue going past just 16 members, I would have held off on the upgrade and waited until these issues were resolved.

They need to change the title of this thread to whaaa double team whaaa PvDoor. That’s all I hear anymore. It used to be pretty annoying, but now we all just openly laugh and joke about it because we realize how absurd it is as there’s very little truth to it. Hey, if ya can’t get people to understand it, might as well get a good laugh about it and have fun with it. NSP, I’m going to miss you guys next week. Hope you do well down there and come back to see us soon. I think we’ll all have our hands full as all three of our servers will be facing servers that have jumped up three notches. Their scores over their competing servers have been blowouts. Things are about to get very interesting or very boring. At least we’ll be able to put one of the problems of this thread behind us and that would be the conspiracy of double teaming.

Syeria.4812:

Ethose.5694:

Littlefeather.8623:

Wintuo.1356:

…No server has a PvDoor time…

Are you saying that the one and only reason DB is leading in score is not their Night time presence?

Have you been in WvW past 11pm PST and seen their numbers compared to ours?

Yes DB does have a PvD time, its when American players are asleep, their server is not a US Server it is carried by its Asian presence, we all know it. You can be a nice guy if you want but I tell it like it is.

If it wasnt for them, DB would be lucky to get past 50k the whole week.

Lets see here… I can do this..

Are you saying that the one and only reason DH is 2nd in score is not their NA presence?

Have you been in WvW past 4pm PST and seen their numbers compared to ours?

Yes DH does have a PvD time, its when Asian players are asleep, their server is not a Foreign Server it is carried by its NA presence, we all know it. You can be a nice guy if you want but I tell it like it is.

If it wasnt for them, DH would be lucky to get past 50k the whole week.

The point is that WvW is a 24 hour game. DH is stronger at one time than DB is and DB is stronger for a longer period of time. It makes DB a stronger overall server and that is causing the win in points. You need to quit raging on DBs nightime/early morning presence because you have the same advantages every evening. What makes your primetime any better than DB’s?

Your example fails because it’s not a 1v1 match. Both NSP and DH have a US prime presence. DH doesn’t get serious PvDoor opportunities because NSP generally has a non-outmanned presence during that time.

Furthermore, I’d suspect that in a straight 1v1 matchup, DB would outright lose to DH. In a 1v1 with NSP, we’d probably see a very very close match, which either side could walk end up taking the victory.

It’s a 24 hour matchup, and so it’s a bit silly to complain about PvDoor. But it’s completely ridiculous for DB to try trash talk and act like their US prime time team does anything major to contribute to the score.

Which example are you referring to? They’re both essentially the same with the names changed.

I see you, like many others, underestimate DB. In strategical matters, that’s a serious mistake and just the way I like it.

As for trash talking, well… I’ve seen all three servers dish it out, but I have seen more trash talk from just three DH players than all of DB and NSP put together. DB’s US Prime Time does a lot more than you think. They play much later than you think. There’s a reason DB pulls ahead and it’s NOT all due to the Oceanic presence. If DH isn’t complaining about our Oceanic presence, they’re insulting the NA prime time in one way or another.

nalenb.1425:

TheFreshBrew.1958:

Wow.

A DB player getting frustrated after you PVDoor entire maps because you can’t defend what you’ve taken after Easy Mode Night Capping? I.Almost.Feel.Bad.For.You.

There’s been some epic battles during NA day and evenings and its been fun, I don’t deny that. But… to pretend The Score isn’t the result of OverNight EasyMode, is just denying reality.

So, instead of being ‘frustrated’ because you can’t defend what you easy mode, be happy that you had it in the first place.

Not sure what I said or did to deserve this comment.

I play during the day not overnight and nothing is easy mode for me. I try to defend the best I can. I paid my $60 just like everyone else. I’m having fun defending whatever we have when I have time to get on. I’ve liked all the battles against NSP and DH no matter the numbers. Yes I get frustrated losing upgrades and siege I worked on. But overall I’m having a lot of fun in WvW, so much so, that WvW is pretty much all I do.

You didn’t deserve it. There’s a couple of people that “flame reply posts” consistently. No need to mention names because we all know who they are. From first hand experience, it’s best to ignore them and continue enjoying your game the way you like to play. I don’t know how long you’ve been on DB, but for the longest time, we faced such huge blowouts by one server that it made me question why I even bothered to play WvW. Now that the matches are closer and more competitive, it’s pretty much all I do as well, and I actually enjoy it a LOT more.

Wintuo.1356:

Lets see I havent posted on a forum for any of the matchups this same group has had, but I have read through them and held my tongue(fingers). The double team issue is a non-factor, the mudslinging, that I consider a factor……

Refreshing to see someone else gets it. Thank you for an on topic, friendly, civil and contributing post. I wish they were all like this.

RockonHarder.7235:

I thought if you near the Character name you could message them.

If you have them as a target, you can actually see their name and yes, you can message them. I have yet to message anyone from another server, although I have received some pretty hateful ones myself. Turns out most people do not like mesmers very much. Or at least my enemies. I’ve found out that a thief will rage faster than any other class when they get bested. I was referring more to open map chat. That would be quite messy. Wise choice by Anet not opening that can of worms.

For all of you complaining about being double teamed, and this goes for my own server as well, please read the following article by Mike Ferguson released back in February of this year. As you will see, this is a game mechanic they intentionally designed as stated in the very first paragraph. Just imagine how much more this could be a game changing mechanic if guilds, commanders, ect. started organizing outside of these forums or within the game. Cross alliances between servers and/or guilds could actually bring a whole new perspective to WvW.

http://www.arena.net/blog/mike-ferguson-on-guild-wars-2-world-vs-world

TheFreshBrew.1958:

Previous post is a good indication that this threeway match-up has run its course and it’s just fomenting bad blood.

Thanks for that, A-net.

That’s just the competitive nature of PvP. I witnessed the same behavior in GW1 for 7+ years in GvG, ect. In fact, WvW kinda reminds me of the rivalry between the Luxons and Kurzicks in the Jade Quarry and Fort Aspenwood faction maps.

Lord Aargadon.4135:

Stop Fpvp’ing here, save that for PM’s. No one cares about what ticks you off about JP, how you held off the huge zerg, or destroyed it.

We’ve heard it all several months ago. Save gloating for map (or guild preferably) chat once you actually do something.

Just imagine how bad chat would be if servers were actually allowed to talk to each other in the wvw maps. I’m LOL just thinking about it.

RockonHarder.7235:

fellyn.5083:

Puddin Cheeks.8539:

Sadly playing the same servers every week is extremely boring. Will be glad to see Borlis Pass join our tier next week when NSP drops down a spot. Nothing against you NSP guys but time for some new blood in this tier. Too bad our server doesnt have an even average euro presence or this would never be a contest against the current matchups.

Go DB!

Why would you need more people in the time of day when you guys already run the maps with very little resistance? Your comment doesn’t make any sense.

It’s amusing you guys think you’re so much better than DH or NSP. I honestly hope you guys get your shot in tier 4.

I never thought I’d say this but I’m starting to miss our matchups with Maguuma. Yikes.

P.S. Looking at previous matchups not only has Darkhaven spent more time in higher
tiers than Dragonbrand despite DB at one point in time being in tier 3 but out of the 3 previous times we’ve been matched up against them we’ve beaten them twice so far.

P.P.S. I’m not trying to start a pissing contest but lets be a little realistic here. You guys are getting carried by a night time population that takes over the maps that can close a 10000 point gap in as little as 2 hours. Don’t say it didn’t happen because it did this morning in the hours between 6am and 8am. Before this magic hour hit for DB even NSP was out scoring you. Yes. The server you just dismissed as even being slightly competitive against yours.

A little food for thought.

Dude before you start putting out facts make sure you get them right.

For starters DB was a Tier 2 server. And when i say a Tier 2 server not a was up for a single round then got knocked back down. we were up there for a bit before bouncing back down and back up again.

During that time Darkhaven never once ever even showed up on our radar.

Now to defend the comment by my server mate as to why he may have said what he did… Without any nighttime presence no server will ever have any chance of ever making any major movement in the tiers.

this aspect is the very thing that people look for when choosing servers.

Hopefully we can move past all this negativity that seems to be popping up and just get on with the match. NSP seems to be able to hold their head up high. hopefully Darkhaven can learn from this.

See you on the battlefield

Seems to be just a few people in DH that do not like the concept that we actually have a nighttime presence. Complaining about it is like complaining about the game working as it was designed. I agree though, all the negativity is getting VERY old.

ShadowSoljer.6524:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

You’re a hothead, keyboard commando, pure and simple. You incite and instigate trouble. Previous posts you’ve made clearly defines your pattern. You call me Pathetic and desperate? This would indicate some presumption that you know me, but you don’t. In fact, you know absolutely nothing about me and your persistent personal attacks against me are well into the territory of infractions. I clearly stated that if you or anyone else had a problem with me personally to go private and we would discuss things there, but you chose to insult me once again in public forum. When I quoted you, I was merely pointing out that what a few people from DB had stated about the double team was nothing that DH or NSP hasn’t complained about before. It’s part of the game mechanics, it’s going to happen, so get used to it. I’ve struggled being civil with a couple of you, mostly from DH, that just don’t seem to want to play nice. I guess I’m just going to have to ignore you and a couple of others and choose to believe there are much more in DH that do not represent the way you do here.

Oh the irony. I presume to know who you are by the way you rage in here. Thank you for backing up everything I’ve said. You should just leave the thread, since you haven’t brought anything productive here (Me either for that matter). So stop while you are way behind.

There’s no rage here at all for me. I’ll stay in the thread and contribute useful information as I choose. You however, will be ignored.

IceBlizzard.1054:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

ShadowSoljer.6524:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

IceBlizzard.1054:

Congrats on a free win DB cant do much when DH cant log in during its prime time. You guys might of won anyways but still could of been close…

OP Anet…Op

Free win? LOL… We couldn’t log in either. I somehow knew this comment would eventually rear it’s ugly head. Don’t worry, you’ll have all this next week to fight us.

You knew it would come up because its true? The more you post in this thread, the more pathetic you make yourself look.

I knew it would come up because there’s a few of you that have problems losing gracefully. If you have nothing more to share other than insults, maybe your time would be best spent in the game. I’ll take being a pathetic winner over insulting someone else any day. I don’t recall anyone on DB throwing a fit because you guys won last week. Insult our server, our players and commanders and you bet I’m gonna say something. I ain’t skeert.

Db has been throwing conspiracy theories at us all week. Dont think your server or you is above anyone else. You started the insults.

I have not insulted anyone, period. Besides, I do not represent DB as a whole, just as no other single person does. Do not label the entire server over the actions of a few. I don’t label your server by the few sharp tongues I see here and there, so why do that to us? Go back to some previous posts by https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/ShadowSoljer-6524 and you will see the same conspiracy theory posted 11 days ago.

ShadowSoljer-6524: So NSP and DB have been double teaming for the last 2 days, see anything wrong with this picture? Two whole servers only attacking one. You kids are pathetic.

Me personally, I’m done explaining to people that can’t listen to reason and rationality that the insults only make you look bad. If you feel I have insulted you or your server, I apologize as that was not my intentions. If you feel it’s necessary to debate this, please take it private with me and I will do my best to discuss this with you man to man or w/e.

As I have stated before, I am happy that DH and NSP are here with us. You both have made this bracket fun to play in and it never gets dull. After facing superior numbers, huge blowouts, and very discouraging matchups since the mass exodus of guilds that occured months ago, we can finally be competitive with two other servers that have equal talent.

I dunno bout you guys but I’m ready for round three!

ShadowSoljer.6524:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

IceBlizzard.1054:

Congrats on a free win DB cant do much when DH cant log in during its prime time. You guys might of won anyways but still could of been close…

OP Anet…Op

Free win? LOL… We couldn’t log in either. I somehow knew this comment would eventually rear it’s ugly head. Don’t worry, you’ll have all this next week to fight us.

You knew it would come up because its true? The more you post in this thread, the more pathetic you make yourself look.

I knew it would come up because there’s a few of you that have problems losing gracefully. If you have nothing more to share other than insults, maybe your time would be best spent in the game. I’ll take being a pathetic winner over insulting someone else any day. I don’t recall anyone on DB throwing a fit because you guys won last week. Insult our server, our players and commanders and you bet I’m gonna say something. I ain’t skeert.

One thing I keep forgetting to mention is that, during the course of Anet promoting and discussing the events and possibilities for WvW, they did mention that 2 of the servers could band together to overpower the dominating one. I distinctly remember this and it was one of the key points I found so interesting. So those that do complain about 2 vs 1 are just complaining about simple game mechanics working as designed.

IceBlizzard.1054:

Congrats on a free win DB cant do much when DH cant log in during its prime time. You guys might of won anyways but still could of been close…

OP Anet…Op

Free win? LOL… We couldn’t log in either. I somehow knew this comment would eventually rear it’s ugly head. Don’t worry, you’ll have all this next week to fight us.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Shadowscamp.8065:

Rob.7624:

Just wanted to post this.
Our siege is dropp’in siege

Siegeception.

I was unaware golems could do that. o.o

I suppose I’m not surprised, since you can still access your inventory when in a siege golem.

Still, pretty funny. At least we don’t have people launching golems out of trebuchets or flame rams from catapults.

Ahh yes but have you seen a MOOSE lay down siege equipment? Here’s a video guaranteed to make you laugh. It’s a group of SoR players under the effects of the Ruminant Tonic and they’re taking WvW by stampede!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nKfdiWEAOA

Cirax.9231:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

5 am? Really? I wasn’t aware that NA prime time was so early. Here it is 6 am in TEXAS and I still haven’t been to bed yet. Stayed up all night wiping everything you had, from 7pm until just a few minutes ago. Yo’re just a mere speck on the map now. I think you need a Thesaurus to fully understand the word “groveling”. Thanks for the motivation. Looking forward to doing it again next week.

It’s nice to know some people need to feed their egos by staying up until 7am capturing points – whatever makes you proud of yourself.

Otherwise, this has been a close matchup regardless of coverage differences. Thanks to DB, DH, and NSP for the great fights!

I’m proud of my mates and our server. Dig at me all you want, your opinion isn’t worth a hill of beans to me. I’m gonna go ahead and assume you’re on DH. If you are, I’m sorry you feel the need to be a sore loser. My post was a conversation with someone else and your comment was unwarranted. I’m up late every night since I normally work the graveyard. I just stayed up a little later than usual.

fellyn.5083:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

fellyn.5083:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

fellyn.5083:

Take it as an insult if you want. It wasn’t intended to be. But just look at the complaints in this thread that DB feels like they are being double teamed. It’s not intentional and it’s not by design.

My point was purely that we do our best to remove any trace of db off the map in prime time and because of that fact you guys complain about being double teamed. I said it before and the reason why that is is because we can’t compete with your night time population.

Again, take it as an insult or don’t. That’s up to you.

I can’t speak for NSP but I imagine that they disagree with how DB is staying competitive score wise (hint: it’s not because of your us prime time people)

You don’t have the numbers to compete with our night time population. We don’t have the numbers to compete with you during NA prime time. We stay competitive as a WHOLE server because NA and Oceanic fight hard to maintain what we have. Your comment was a straight up insult to our NA Prime Time, like we didn’t make any difference in the overall outcome, and now the back peddling with take it as an insult or don’t. That’s up to you SMH

It’s all in how you read it. If we were to read between the lines we could say that DB feels like we (DH and NSP) are only staying competitive because we “double team” you.

Besides that you aren’t taking into consideration the post in which I was replying to. It outright suggested that DB and NSP double team DH when all I was doing was suggesting a reason why NSP might prefer to attack you guys over us.

Maybe I could have worded my post a little better but I was getting annoyed by your people’s continual complaining that we are directly working with NSP to double team you guys.

I was looking for a previous post I made regarding the double team stuff but it appears it’s been edited or partially removed? Anyways, I really don’t care if we’re double teamed and certainly not gonna complain about it. In fact, I expect it to happen to ALL of us at some point or another. The comment about NSP and DB dbl teaming DH was a joke. Sorry I forgot how sarcasm doesn’t translate well in written form. If you really think about this matchup, DB and DH are pretty even. We just swap roles with NA and Oceanic presence. I’m actually happy DH and NSP are here because it’s made the past two weeks a fun and competitive match.

You don’t care. Yet a lot of people from DB keep on bringing it up. Jokes or otherwise. It’s been mentioned countless times over the last 2 weeks.

So obviously some of your guys think we are actually in some sort of alliance with NSP. Which is actually really amusing. Amusing that people actually think it, irritating they keep bringing it up.

If I had to put a word to what we are to NSP that word would be indifferent.

There might be a few that think that, but just a very few. I look at it as more of a coincidence than anything else. For the most part, we left NSP alone tonight and chose to expand our lead, unless they directly interfered with our objectives. You guys are gonna have some catching up to do. I expect it to be a fairly close score, so try not to disappoint me when I wake up later today. Cheers mate!

ShadowSoljer.6524:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

Grovel, Beg, Push your face in, PvDoor and paranoia about a spy on a voice server. Yep, that’s a whole lotta mud slingin’ goin’ on there.

Fact: your servers primetime is 5am. Enjoy pvdooring against no one.
Fact: You are groveling
Fact: DB has only gotten over 20k points because of your early morning PvDoor masters.

Don’t start getting upset about facts now. I did call them masters after all…

5 am? Really? I wasn’t aware that NA prime time was so early. Here it is 6 am in TEXAS and I still haven’t been to bed yet. Stayed up all night wiping everything you had, from 7pm until just a few minutes ago. You’re just a mere speck on the map now. I think you need a Thesaurus to fully understand the word “groveling”. Thanks for the motivation. Looking forward to doing it again next week.

Littlefeather.8623:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

Littlefeather.8623:

That was not the only situation where we ran into a brick wall this evening. That same level 1 who was on a Ballista and not using it when we needed, was always trying to “help” every one stack on Ethersin (our commander), and was the same person who was defensive in team chat when I said “We have a spy for DB with us in the map”. He was the same person who replied with “me? I’m not a spy, is this how Darkhaven reps” when no one even accused him yet in chat.

So yes, I am implying that some one in DB during NA primetime is doing this to help their server win the match. Not the server as a whole, but certainly more than two people at least. His IP was banned from our vent, and we will consider new protocols to adjust the security of our voice chat program.

Seems like you’ve got a few guys in DH that have a hard time dealing with good competition, you included. Keep slinging the insults at DB, you’re just fueling our determination.

I love good competition, However I do have a hard time dealing with people who choose to use our vent for the wrong purpose and relay messages back to their server to help them win. Again I do enjoy competition, as I am sure most WvW players do, its just the shady things in WvW that a lot of us do not like.

Grovel, Beg, Push your face in, PvDoor and paranoia about a spy on a voice server. Yep, that’s a whole lotta mud slingin’ goin’ on there.

Littlefeather.8623:

That was not the only situation where we ran into a brick wall this evening. That same level 1 who was on a Ballista and not using it when we needed, was always trying to “help” every one stack on Ethersin (our commander), and was the same person who was defensive in team chat when I said “We have a spy for DB with us in the map”. He was the same person who replied with “me? I’m not a spy, is this how Darkhaven reps” when no one even accused him yet in chat.

So yes, I am implying that some one in DB during NA primetime is doing this to help their server win the match. Not the server as a whole, but certainly more than two people at least. His IP was banned from our vent, and we will consider new protocols to adjust the security of our voice chat program.

Seems like you’ve got a few guys in DH that have a hard time dealing with good competition, you included. Keep slinging the insults at DB, you’re just fueling our determination.

fellyn.5083:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

fellyn.5083:

Take it as an insult if you want. It wasn’t intended to be. But just look at the complaints in this thread that DB feels like they are being double teamed. It’s not intentional and it’s not by design.

My point was purely that we do our best to remove any trace of db off the map in prime time and because of that fact you guys complain about being double teamed. I said it before and the reason why that is is because we can’t compete with your night time population.

Again, take it as an insult or don’t. That’s up to you.

I can’t speak for NSP but I imagine that they disagree with how DB is staying competitive score wise (hint: it’s not because of your us prime time people)

You don’t have the numbers to compete with our night time population. We don’t have the numbers to compete with you during NA prime time. We stay competitive as a WHOLE server because NA and Oceanic fight hard to maintain what we have. Your comment was a straight up insult to our NA Prime Time, like we didn’t make any difference in the overall outcome, and now the back peddling with take it as an insult or don’t. That’s up to you SMH

It’s all in how you read it. If we were to read between the lines we could say that DB feels like we (DH and NSP) are only staying competitive because we “double team” you.

Besides that you aren’t taking into consideration the post in which I was replying to. It outright suggested that DB and NSP double team DH when all I was doing was suggesting a reason why NSP might prefer to attack you guys over us.

Maybe I could have worded my post a little better but I was getting annoyed by your people’s continual complaining that we are directly working with NSP to double team you guys.

I was looking for a previous post I made regarding the double team stuff but it appears it’s been edited or partially removed? Anyways, I really don’t care if we’re double teamed and certainly not gonna complain about it. In fact, I expect it to happen to ALL of us at some point or another. The comment about NSP and DB dbl teaming DH was a joke. Sorry I forgot how sarcasm doesn’t translate well in written form. If you really think about this matchup, DB and DH are pretty even. We just swap roles with NA and Oceanic presence. I’m actually happy DH and NSP are here because it’s made the past two weeks a fun and competitive match.

fellyn.5083:

Take it as an insult if you want. It wasn’t intended to be. But just look at the complaints in this thread that DB feels like they are being double teamed. It’s not intentional and it’s not by design.

My point was purely that we do our best to remove any trace of db off the map in prime time and because of that fact you guys complain about being double teamed. I said it before and the reason why that is is because we can’t compete with your night time population.

Again, take it as an insult or don’t. That’s up to you.

I can’t speak for NSP but I imagine that they disagree with how DB is staying competitive score wise (hint: it’s not because of your us prime time people)

You don’t have the numbers to compete with our night time population. We don’t have the numbers to compete with you during NA prime time. We stay competitive as a WHOLE server because NA and Oceanic fight hard to maintain what we have. Your comment was a straight up insult to our NA Prime Time, like we didn’t make any difference in the overall outcome, and now the back peddling with take it as an insult or don’t. That’s up to you SMH

fellyn.5083:

Furey.6734:

To summarize on my definition of double teaming; it is two servers attacking one server non-stop and not attacking each other unless their armies bump into each other for many hours. IE: If these two servers happened to attack the same thing such as SM but were also constantly attacking each other else where (orange swords), then this is not double teaming. I am pretty sure you guys can figure out what is and what isn’t, but I think all 3 servers know what is going on.

DB has been constantly full, and I know that there are a few guilds still in the process of transfering onto the server so it is not over. You are not going to see an instant NA prime time boost. You will probably notice the change gradually. As for moving up a tier, I believe DB will be ready after the guilds are settled in. Like I said before, I would want DB to move up a tier on its own merit when its ready without any other server’s help, because it would just get hammered back down.

And what do you think we should do about it to make it fair for you? You obviously feel slighted in some way otherwise you wouldn’t keep bringing the double teaming up.

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

Ethose.5694:

It makes total sense for NSP and DH to attack DB during the NA Primetime. The night presence just necessitates it.

I agree with fellyn here. Put yourself in their shoes on the other servers. They both know that DB is going to take everything during the night. The only chance they have to win the week is make sure DB gets as few points as possible during the day.

I don’t think there really is a viable strategy for NSP to win the week against these servers the way they are currently comprised. But using this strategy has kept them competitive at least without letting either DH or DB run away with it.

I have an idea… how about NSP and DB double team DH? Then DB and NSP can fight over 1st place.

I can’t speak for NSP but I imagine that they disagree with how DB is staying competitive score wise (hint: it’s not because of your us prime time people) so that might be why they choose to target you guys instead of trying to fight DH.

That sounds like a dig at the NA prime time players. Even outnumbered as much as we are in NA prime time, both of you struggle to contain DB. The only problem I see with NSP being able to be more competitive is the simple fact DH wipes their map for numbers. We do this at times, but it’s more or less to pull them off our borderlands. We do the same thing to DH. Strategy 101 my friend. I think we’re all pretty close in terms of rating, so it’s actually been fun for a change. Nice not to have the huge blowouts we’ve endured for some time. Bottom line is we’re all going to get doubled teamed at some point. I actually enjoy it, but I wouldn’t if it was a constant thing.

Ethose.5694:

It makes total sense for NSP and DH to attack DB during the NA Primetime. The night presence just necessitates it.

I agree with fellyn here. Put yourself in their shoes on the other servers. They both know that DB is going to take everything during the night. The only chance they have to win the week is make sure DB gets as few points as possible during the day.

I don’t think there really is a viable strategy for NSP to win the week against these servers the way they are currently comprised. But using this strategy has kept them competitive at least without letting either DH or DB run away with it.

I have an idea… how about NSP and DB double team DH? Then DB and NSP can fight over 1st place.

Grit.9061:

I still have a lot of pride for Dragonbrand.. but that doesn’t mean I care greatly whether we win or lose. A feeling of pride comes from the solidarity of those involved and a “never give up” attitude.

A general lack of pride is what severely damaged WvW, in my opinion. Instead of building a community and sticking by it through thick and thin, people were given the option to take the “easy way out” and jump around to winning servers whenever they felt like it. We’re still feeling the repercussions of that.

I hear ya Grit. I played with you some tonight as a matter of fact. I left Isle of Janthir within a couple days of playing to join some friends on Dragonbrand. When several of the good WvW guilds left DB, things got really bad. Week in and week out we faced extreme blowouts because we no longer had the numbers to support being in that tier. I started to research the problem and came to the same conclusion that just about everyone else did. Server hopping and lack of server pride killed DB for a long long time. During this time, I was getting a lot of pressure from the guild to change servers. I was confident that we would eventually get to where we are now, and that’s with two other servers that are close to our status. We might not have the numbers, but DB has some quality players and commanders. In the end, I ended up kicking 2/3 of my guild because of all the drama they were creating, wanting to server hop. Am I loyal to DB and do I have server “pride”? I believe the answer to be a resounding YES!!!

I was finally able to resolve the issue with the transmutation. I was selecting the stats and rune section, but neglected to select the particular skin to transmute. Whereas the skin transmutation automatically merges to the center, the stones do not work in quite the same way. Props to Noother.2190 on this one! In fact, thanks to ALL of you for tips, suggestions, ect. Makes me proud to be part of such a helpful group of people in this game.

TxJBxT.9370:

Take out armor repairs and it will stop.

Replied to this once and it magically disappeared… Glad to see someone actually gets the big picture. Repair bills get rather annoying, particularly if you don’t enjoy running with a huge zerg constantly. Alt f4 is no different than the thieves that go into hiding the second they’re near dead and most often run away or recuperate to blind side you again. Unprepared for an almost constant stealth thief, they can drop you from 21k hp to zero in 2-3 seconds. There’s no armor repair in Spvp so dying is a non issue there.