Guild Wars 2

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Nanyetah Elohi.4852:

Well, don’t know where you guys were, but we arent playing JQ or SoR this week, because we have stomped them too many times recently.

Dude, please lay off the drugs… they are doing bad things to you.

We’ve never beaten either JQ or SoR in any match.

DB and FA, yes but JQ, SoR, or BG… no.

And Ostra, please cut it with the “TC bought Guilds” kitten… we didn’t. Did Guilds transfer in absolutely and did it make us stacked compared to any Server outside of NA T1 yes it did. But it wasn’t some nefarious plot where TC somehow bribed a whole bunch of Guilds to transfer.

There are plenty on TC who hate Bloodlust and are protesting/boycotting it as well. We can see that it is bad for the game overall.

Well thanks for informing your server mate he’s delusional. As for “bought guilds”, it’s possible this happened, even though you just don’t know about it. It’s a common practice among servers that are trying to stack to T1.

Ostra.3927:

Then youa re going to be very sad with the league Nany.

7 weeks. 3-4 of those are gonna be you guys steamrolling the enemy and them not even out there because of the number difference. You are outmanned by BG and SoR and JQ by maybe 2-1 odds because of the stacking TC did…

wait til you outnumber the enemy 10-1… you will be having a blast.

It’s amusing they think they can beat JQ, BG & SOR when they’ve had a full field of squishies and fairweathers while dominating lower pop. servers. When the TC zergs face a disciplined and coordinated smaller force, they crumble and scatter on the map.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

saratoga.4872:

Xillllix.3485:

Most ridiculous thread ever.

What should Anet do? Reward losers and people who fail instead?

It’s pretty well balanced as I see it, even a single person can cap an area.

Good Luck with that if the the other server has all three bloodlust buffs….. that really DOES take the FAIR out of the Fight.

You have to understand the mindset of some people that like this. If you are one of those huge servers against the weaker ones, this is an awesome change. You get a ton of free stats, and your points padded.

ESO already looks better than gw2 in many ways (based on some of the leaked footage). Can’t wait for it to release.

The trolls love the new buff, as I’m sure anyone one would suspect, but trolls have tunnel vision and cannot see anything beyond what’s in their inherent nature. They lack a true understanding of the complexities involving such a change as this. The imbalance feeds their egos while rationality remains void. Put the shoe on the other foot and they’ll be the first to rage quit.

Jayne.9251:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

Tricare.2946:

If I have a good 1v1 fight, I wont jump on the person. However, if you jump me with 3 other people and I find you solo and stomp you, you better believe i’m going to jump on you.

I’ve actually had a few 1 vs 2 and 1 vs 3 where they all took great pride in their antics for beating an uplevel in greens/blues. A couple of times I’ve caught the culprits alone and they didn’t fare so well.

This, pretty much. I usually will find them without their two friends, stomp them …. and then /bow.

+1

Zenguy.6421:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Zenguy.6421:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Release to spawn and I’ll stop.

Did you realize that gives them power over you?

If I’m am acting in such a way that I /sit multiple times, laugh, point, otherwise deficate all over the corpse, they are corpse spying or a mesmer waiting for a thief to res them.

As long as they persist in their deceased state in the spot that I’m at, especially if they are a mes waiting for a res(really any corpse that I’m guarding on inner keep) as I will be entertaining myself in the fashion that I wish, I’ll continue to violate the corpse in any way that I possibly can.

Dude, it’s just a game and those really are just pixels on a screen. But if thinking like that helps you . . .

This is getting quite comical. /me grabs popcorn.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Zenguy.6421:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Release to spawn and I’ll stop.

Did you realize that gives them power over you?

If I’m am acting in such a way that I /sit multiple times, laugh, point, otherwise deficate all over the corpse, they are corpse spying or a mesmer waiting for a thief to res them.

As long as they persist in their deceased state in the spot that I’m at, especially if they are a mes waiting for a res(really any corpse that I’m guarding on inner keep) as I will be entertaining myself in the fashion that I wish, I’ll continue to violate the corpse in any way that I possibly can.

What would be epically funny is if that person called their guildies and gave them the location you both were at so they could come ambush you, then they built a sea of flame rams on your corpse and proceeded to dance at your funeral pyre. Not to mention capturing it all and posting to Youtube.

Ostra.3927:

Gotta jump in on this one Greens.

I am not a commander, dont wanna be. But the REASON people get mad at multiple tags in WvW is because it causes confusion. The randoms go to the guy that is just trying to lead a small force but wants to tag up for some reason. The guy that WANTS to run the map as commander gives up and tags down and the other guy runs the whole server group into a camp instead of defending Garrison because he is farming WEXP.

If you are gonna tag up… better be ready to be responsible for the WHOLE map and directing the flow of combat.

Just so you understand, it wasn’t me that did this, or does this, just an observation while playing. I understand everything you said and I get it. I’ve been in WvW for a LONG time. I guess what I was hinting at is that there are some commanders that more or less refuse to give some of the other guys a chance, and when they finally give in once in a great while, they proceed to ridicule and berate them in map/team chat and sometimes TS. Instead of this behavior, they should groom them, train them and assist them in leading. It benefits the entire server to have multiple trained commanders that can step in and take over at the drop of a hat. Far too often I’ve seen the commanders with overly inflated egos and the “me” syndrome. Most of these types suffer from complex superiority issues, and don’t take constructive criticism very well. I’ve heard commanders berate their zerg, telling them they’re stupid, ect. ect. and it’s like a poison to your server. Too much politics and not enough community cohesiveness will kill an organized server.

“This is to ensure that the playing field is as level as it can be at the start and the finish of the season.”

Well they’ve already screwed this up.

Gully.7358:

I do it….

1. When I do it, people that want to fight will come back.
2. When I do it and people don’t come back then they were zerglings that got caught, no sympathy…
3. My respect is earned, not automatically given. If I’m jumping, you didn’t earn it.
4. If something like this already bothers you, it’d like to suggest to not go PvP.
5. If I had emotes like /mock or /rude then I would use those too.

You could have just said “I do it” and we would have gotten the rest from your sig. Everyone knows thieves are the usually the worst trolls in the game.

Tricare.2946:

If I have a good 1v1 fight, I wont jump on the person. However, if you jump me with 3 other people and I find you solo and stomp you, you better believe i’m going to jump on you.

I’ve actually had a few 1 vs 2 and 1 vs 3 where they all took great pride in their antics for beating an uplevel in greens/blues. A couple of times I’ve caught the culprits alone and they didn’t fare so well. So yes, as an uplevel in this type of situation, I did a variety of emotes, and finally bowed and walked away.

EDIT: One of my favorite things to do when they don’t respawn is simply to lie down next to them. I feel like I am bonding with them.

Zenguy.6421:

It’s only happened to me a couple of times and each time I couldn’t help but feel sorry for the person doing it. (One time I got stomped and went to top up my coffee, when I got back the the person who’d stomped me was still there jumping up and down on my corpse.) If their world is so small that they waste time doing that then they deserve my pity not my ire.

This was funny, but disturbing and pitiful at the same time. It’s people like this that you hope you never hear about going into a school, military base or office building and shooting up the place.

YellowFrighten.1208:

I find some of these post really funny… For one even if the opposing server has all 3 and you are doing a 10 on 10 fight…. it would be easier then a 10 vs 11 fight. I know if you have done any real number of hours in WvW you have fought groups larger then yours and won so if you really want GvG then go to do matches of 8v8 (good ol’ GW1 days)

The other thing is to you “Hardcore guilds that make the world go around”. On my server DarkHaven we had two of our “Best” WvW guilds leave 3 weeks ago. To me I don’t really feel like anything has changed. All that happened is new guilds formed and new commanders came out of the wood works.

Sometimes certain guilds and groups of commanders feel like they have to dominate an entire map and sometimes an entire server. When someone outside their little circle wants to tag up and/or run his own guild on the opposite side of the map, all hell breaks loose and a huge childish argument ensues in game and on TS.

Zenguy.6421:

Quick win: separate WvW and PvE servers, set a population cap on the WvW servers, and consolidate the WvW servers with low populations.

Result: WvW servers have much more balanced populations and match-ups become far more competitive.

Yeah, this would work too. Also, when you have a balanced and competitive matchup, the Orb (bloodlust) issue, well, it becomes less of an issue, even though it really has no place being in WvW.

MajorFauxPas.2364:

Over the past few months we’ve seen a steady rate of player migration from underpopulated to heavily populated servers. The rate has increased lately.

Why did Anet choose not to put transfer locks on T1 servers? I’m guessing they are making money off the transfers… and they don’t want that to stop. Now every player (who’s capable of earning/buying 1800 gems) can be T1.

Because, let’s face it, if people can pay to switch to the side that’s already winning, they will. Especially if there is no recourse, no penalty. In fact, players are rewarded with 100% win, and Anet is rewarded with $22.50 USD per transfer.

Not going to change.

Anet will never get another dime from me. I’ll sell my copy and move on.

Peetee.9406:

TooBz.3065:

As a member of server rank 11. I’m not looking forward to the entire season. A whole X number of week of getting our outmanned kitten kicked.

Sounds like a blast. GG

With all due respect, I’d much rather be the #11 than the #1 server in that match up.

You have people to kill on every map with a free repair bill, that’s really not that bad.

Meanwhile the people on BG/SoR are sitting on teamspeak drunk, singing Katy Perry songs, and farming the centaurs for bags because they have nothing else to do.

Oh my… that sounds torturous.

LameFox.6349:

Tom Gore.4035:

I wish my server’s zergs would realize that. I’ve been getting them 2+ buffs all the time and last time I ran with the zerg everyone was still happily whacking the downed enemies dead with their weapons.

Such a waste…

Meh, in a zerg the vast majority of times if I tried to stop and stick a spike in someone the AOE alone would be enough to take them out first. Or if not that, I’d attract attention because I’m in all these people running wildly around, and here I am standing totally still to do some sort of fatal twirly dance move over a nervous-looking wounded thing.

LOL… you should do comedy dude. I bet you’re a hoot in TS. Ok, now I need to make a topic related comment before I get one of those things you’re not supposed to talk about.
I totally agree, stopping to stake/spike a downed player is a serious risk when you’re surrounded by a swarm of angry Male Chicken Roaches (can’t say the other word cuz it comes out as “Kitten Roaches” and that’s just plain absurd).

They should limit total server population, well, they SHOULD have. Probably a bit too late for that now. By this time, after a year of play, the servers that are primarily WvW would have all balanced themselves out in the ratings and the primarily PVE servers would accumulate near the bottom, since they don’t really care about PPT or WvW in general. You’d have fairly even numbers in WvW and no real advantage from one server to the next other than skill, tactics and organization. Now before you start saying “you can’t limit server population or you can’t control it”, let me tell you that they CAN. It’s been done for 10+ years at least, probably much more, in many games. This predates even the original GW1 and has been a great way to control population and establish fairly equal numbers between servers. Anet “screwed the pooch” on this one long ago when they had the chance to fix it. What they’re doing now is pretty much absolute proof they are clueless.

Dual.8953:

Thrumdi.9216:

Well said Lorelei.

WvW is turning into typical MMO PvP, which means gear grind or pay for advantage. (Or in GW2’s case, since it is B2P, a hybrid of both).

It is really unfortunate they made this choice. They could have had a permanent niche as the MMO PvP where skill was paramount. But now it is about the non-skill advantage.

If they did that, players would complain that they’re turning WvW into SPvP >_>

When you strip away everything, it should all come down to skill and tactics. A smaller population server could still be very effective and even win based on these two abilities. Everyone has pretty much equal access to siege, armor, weapons, ect. ect. Add organization and there you have it. The buff takes all of this away, by offering a “freebie” advantage simply based on numbers being able to control the buff at will. I’m not a big conspiracy theorist, but I highly suspect Anet has ulterior motives in this situation. Of course they’ll never tell and we’ll just have to endure the BS they’re shoveling on us until we find out where they’re taking WvW. For those of us that bought the game simply for the WvW aspect of this game, I hope they don’t completely ruin this for us.

If you’re an uplevel and fighting a server with 2-3 stacks of the bloodlust buff, be prepared to be “one shotted” frequently.

Blix.8021:

MarMaster.6241:

The #2 server, showing cap group size.

It’s important to look at this week’s matchup with SoR. They, at rank 2, are going up against rank 5 and 6 and, as anyone would predict, destroying. Now imagine how they’d fare against rank 7-12. This isn’t a problem exclusively with the bloodlust, but the bloodlust absolutely does not help the situation once leagues roll around.

Absolutely not an exclusive issue with bloodlust but what incentive, if any, would this give players to even play when 1. You’re severely outmanned, and 2. Any fights you do encounter are going to have a +150 stat deficit right off the bat. Bottom line is the buff is a bad idea and it needs to go, but I’m afraid Anet will continue to shove it down our throats while completely ignoring the “minority” player base that makes up the WvW community. Anet has done this for years, so I don’t see them changing now.

MarMaster.6241:

The #2 server, showing cap group size.

I saw this repeatedly last night, went to bed, got up and the same thing. Keep all three buffs, run two to three zergs, game over.

ParaldaWind.4523:

This thread is near impossible to read, and I fear that a lot of good points made up in threads merged into this were lost.

Easier to merge them all into one so they can “collectively” ignore just one thread.

Gamadorn.2659:

Join a proper GvG and you will see just how UNskilled you probably are in a group fight lol. Then once you learn 2 play you will see the other side of the fence and have more perspective.

I haven’t been doing any GvG, but I don’t have one thing against it. As a hard core GvG player of GW1 for 7+ years, I honestly think Anet should have included this in the original release of the game. After all, the game IS called GUILD WARS.

Success doesn’t belong in the title.

It’s usually compensating for something else lacking in their life. KWS, Keyboard Warrior Syndrome.

Thustlewhumber.7416:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

Furiousbeard.7602:

And did rB jump ship to SOR and gloat about beating on DB? That’s classy

rB, real Bandwagoners…

No, we are going to server that takes WvW way more serious than DB: Anvil Rock.

LOL…. I think I just peed a little. Talked to “Baddy” last week and I think that’s where he was going, with some friends. Just don’t forget to have fun, because if you ain’t havin’ fun… well, it just ain’t no fun anymore. Enjoy your new home, maybe we’ll see you again.

AydenStar.4216:

I think the boarderland change is a great succuss coming from a person how has play WvW on SoR when we were in tier 7. A lot of us in tier 1 or in any tier wanted the end of the super blobing and this recent change has done that. Most of the rage coming from these forums is mainly disgruntled GvGers that can’t continue their fights because of the Bloodlust buff. Honestly get over it! GvG was good for people how played the meta and unfun for players that didn’t. This started to spill into the WvW zerging meta as well making zerging less fun because once you’ve seen one noob train and know how to counter it, you’ve seen them all. WvW needed this and we all know it.

Another clueless T1 Dev/Anet fanboi rears it’s head. Stop trolling people that are expressing an informed and educated observance of the bloodlust mechanism by saying that they are “raging”. Sitting up there in T1, you don’t have a clue what’s going on right underneath you.

Furiousbeard.7602:

But who killed the most SOR last night?

DB or FA?

And did rB jump ship to SOR and gloat about beating on DB? That’s classy

rB, real Bandwagoners…

Aberrant.6749:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

Aberrant.6749:

Brutus.5732:

DB and FA should arrange a formal 2v1.

So same plan as every week?

JK lol

You two definitely should. Would make the matchup far more interesting for everyone involved I’m sure.

Now why you wanna go and throw your little brother under the bus like that TC?

I’m telling my little bro to build something so he doesn’t get run over by the bus.

It’s just a short bus… couple of bumps and it’s over pretty fast. Or, he could surround himself in a sea of flame rams.

Aberrant.6749:

Brutus.5732:

DB and FA should arrange a formal 2v1.

So same plan as every week?

JK lol

You two definitely should. Would make the matchup far more interesting for everyone involved I’m sure.

Now why you wanna go and throw your little brother under the bus like that TC?

Punny.9210:

there are 5 ruins per map. i don’t really think it’s too hard to take out some of them for your own …… not too mention often time people just leave it die out ….

thing is if u are already blew out its just u have no numbers to do anything anyway.

regardless buff is here or not

T1 servers never get it. T2 right down to the next to last tier, you’re going to have at least 1 server that’s not focusing on PPT. This is ludicrous to think that server is interested in capping ruins to keep a bloodlust buff, that will be taken away almost immediately. It’s pointless and a waste of time. The open field skirmishes between small groups, solo roamers and capping camps and sentrys was sometimes all the current numbers could manage. If all servers were better matched, the buff wouldn’t be an issue at all since it would change hands so much. Anet created the huge difference in server population long ago and created the “bandwagoning” effect by not restricting server transfers more adequately. WvW is now the monster of their own doing. They had a chance to balance this long ago, but neglected to do it.

Punny.9210:

rfdarko.4639:

Punny.9210:

I know it’s a bad for other servers but it’s pretty good so far in my tier lol.

SoR always play full map blob but this patch force them to split out their blob which help BG a lot because we are consisted a lot of small / roaming guilds…..

I personally would love to keep it like this ….. I’m tired of full map blob …

Of course its fine in T1, you have a nearly even match up. The problem with the bloodlust buff is that it makes blow-outs even worse, and makes even small scale skirmishes imbalanced. It’s great that T1 is having fun with it, but that’s 3/24 of the servers.

I understand but i’m curious You think without bloodlust you would have won the match ? I just feel like if you already lose it’s just not gonna make any different anyway due to the numbers

PPT is not the end all, be all of WvW existence. Servers outside of T1 could still go out and have fun in small groups without being overwhelmed by an already dominating (numbers) server and an added +50 to +150 buff. Some guilds might run 10-15 organized players that could wipe twice their numbers and solo roamers could have a level ground for open field battles 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 and still enjoy themselves. Being in T1, you really don’t have a clue what it’s like to be the EXTREME underdog in a match based on numbers, now add to the fact you can’t compensate for a huge buff on them as well. This setup is definitely anti-underdog, makes matches more lopsided, discourages them from playing, while encouraging the dominant server even more. Wear the shoes of the underdog for a week under this bloodlust, to get a good feel for it, then come back and give us your opinion then. Regardless of that, the players have overwhelmingly spoken tonight and as a result, there have been FAR LESS numbers in WvW than usual.

aspirine.6852:

I think you can blame living story and the easy champ rewards for the emptiness in wvw. I still cannot believe how bad the rewards are in wvw. In gw1 the pvp zaishen keys were always worth a lot and made pvp regulars very wealthy players.

There have been multiple guilds and players that have, for the most part, organized a WvW boycott this week in response to Devon Carter’s comments in a now deleted post. Most WvW players do very little PVE, so the fact that some of them actually are playing PVE is a by-product of a less desirable quality of WvW content at present.

Omnitek.3876:

It is fine in t1. Wait until a t1 server has to fight rank 5-12 with the leagues. All the ppl claiming it was a good idea will change their attitude when there is no one on to fight.

Yes, I’m in t1. Other t1 ppl need to look at the bigger picture here and quit being so short sighted.

Good to see someone in T1 gets it and can see the “bigger picture”

The account was given back to me, as it should have been. Then support decides to terminate the account after I’d already been using it for a week. Documentation and credit card statements prove this is MY account. Don’t appreciate my ticket being deleted.
Ticket 130826-002489 is NOT resolved. Unless you consider support terminating the account as a closed issue. I had already explained to them (support) multiple times that someone had gained access to the original email address and I had it changed as a security measure. There were emails on the email account that revealed previous communication and GW2 detailed account info, which I also explained. This is essentially Anet stealing from me and is unacceptable. I agreed to let them terminate the account in lieu of a refund and purchasing a new one, if that was a more viable option, not just take my money and say “screw you”. If Anet wants to stand on this suspension and not do the right thing, my only recourse will be contacting the credit company and enforcing the 1 year warranty period on my purchase of this game ONLINE with MY credit card. There was no misconduct involved, or breach of contract, so I’m not buying that garbage. I would appreciate a better alternative to this type of action on this account, but as I said, the situation at present is completely unacceptable. My original forum comments were:

Ticket: 130826-002489. Opened 8/26/13. Resolved, closed, then reopened on 9/1 when support changed the email on the account for the 2nd time without prior notification. This makes the third time I’m having to recover this account and it’s honestly wearing quite thin on me. The original ticket is 130723-002074 which was opened on 7/23/13, so I’ve been dealing with this ongoing problem for over a month. Could you or someone please look into this for me and help me resolve this issue permanently? Thanks.

EDIT: Support has now changed MY account email instead of the account I opened the ticket for. They’re only making this more complicated than it needs to be. My account email needs to be changed back to what it was and the funlovnjim.1354 is the one that needed to be changed for my son.

EDIT (2): A GM finally responded and corrected the two emails associated with the respective accounts. For now this has been resolved, and hopefully support will not change the email again, forcing me to recover this account for a 4th time.

kefro.9312:

What games have wvwvw just like gw2 before this nonsense?

I’m seriously considering going back to the game I was playing prior to GW1. They’ve made a LOT of improvements and offer a robust PvP system. It’s called Knight Online. It’s F2P as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Online#PvP

Pechic.8406:

No its from this map. We had buff in this border (our home bl) and they took it from us. And the meta event in top corner is for map you are in. In EB you dont have any meta event.

I find that odd all in itself. When the buffs affect all in EB and you have no way to change that other than hopping maps.

Gamadorn.2659:

I find it adorable that random pve puggers or people who join WvW once in a while come in here and say “don’t let the door hit you on the way out” to the guilds that post on here….

You have to be pve pugger, since most people that come in to WvW and are new and want to be more competitive in WvW, join a guild or make a guild (even if its a small roaming guild with a few buddies), if that’s not you….you are a random person that no one really cares about lol

The fact is, guilds make up 90% of WvW. If they leave. WvW dies on all servers

I feel you bro… and I’m currently debating another extended vacation from the game. My last was 5 months, and when I came back, all they had really managed to do was eliminate culling and add some Wxp rank stuff.

Atistheso.4657:

Who cares if there is a queue or not and how fast he can come back in the game. What he is doing is called an EXPLOIT. It doesn’t matter if other people did it before him, this is totally wrong and would justify a ban. What is this mentality of “Other people are cheating so that makes me right to cheat as well” … Seriously …

Banning on this premise alone would open up a can of legal ramifications Anet surely does not want to deal with. Your radical view is amusing, but not a viable option.

nyaonyao.8402:

Newsflash: ALT+F4 when you’re downed in WvW doesn’t save you from a stomp. LOL The enemy gets the kill and a loot bag and you get damage on your gear. I suppose what hasn’t been confirmed is if ALT+F4 doesn’t give the enemy server the points when you aren’t stomped but IMO taking PPT too seriously. It’s not worth it.

Gear is not damaged on outmanned, despite an alt-F4.

Stormleaf.1769:

Ensign.2189:

Stormleaf.1769:

The thing is… 150 stat points is, in most cases, insignificant. Assuming you have all the buffs at all times (which has been exceedingly rare so far), you’ll be maybe 5% stronger than your opponent, give or take.

35%. Three orbs is roughly a 35% increase in strength.

Don’t throw around small numbers if you haven’t even tried to do basic math yet.

What? If I have 2,000 power, a 150 point increase is 7.5%. If I have 25,000 health, a 1,500 point increase is 6%. Even if you’re giving every stat the same weight (which is silly), it’s still way less than 35%. For a character with base stats (meaning 3,664 total), the 900 point bonus from the orbs would only come to a 24.5% increase.

Devon? Is that you?

Stormleaf.1769:

Sarrs.4831:

Stormleaf.1769:

If you find WvW so incredibly unacceptable in its current state that you’re willing to quit en masse, then maybe GW2 just isn’t the game for you? Play the game for what it is right now, not for what you fantasize about it being in the future.

It was the game for them two days ago, and apparently it was the game for 99% of this forum two days ago. It was the game for a not insignificant portion of the WvW-playing playerbase two days ago, as well. If GW2 was never a game that they enjoyed, then maybe I’d agree with you, but that’s not the case.

I find it amusing that the game is suddenly shattered for so many over something as insignificant as a 0-150 point increase in stats. I simply can’t believe that people who honestly and legitimately enjoyed the game prior to the buff are unable to logically enjoy it now. It seems far more likely that they’re simply being disingenuous, for effect.

So a +50 – +150 buff is an insignificant bonus to all of those servers from tier 2 down to the next to last tier that are currently blowing out their competition? You are clearly delusional.

Arkard.3970:

Kaos.9162:

No Walking.6349:

They fixed this months ago, players get kill points if their enemy alt+f4s out in the middle of a fight or when they’re downed.

/thread

Well, the point of the thread is that you won’t get points for stomping them from the bloodlust buff if they do this…

Correct. I’m well aware they fixed the issue with not getting kill credit and loot for Alt F4ing. The point of the thread is Alt F4ing now lets players grief by denying Bloodlust in the Borderland stomp points.

Surely you’re aware that this is in direct response to the unbalanced buff aspect with dominant servers controlling most of them. Instead of complaining about the players, complain to Devs for opening that huge can of worms.

Neeho.3859:

Oh, the memories. I remember asking a question while waiting for Longjaw to spawn. “Try ALT-F4”. OMG, WHY DID MY GAME CLOSE!!

Good times.

I’m sorry dude, I didn’t mean to. I went to troll rehab center and I’ve been troll free for 3 months now.

amhill.9640:

Besides, someone ALT-F4ing is called RAGELOGGING. It’s funny. It’s along the same vein as a player killing themselves by running off a cliff in a panic.

Unless you’re a mind reader, you really have no clue what the other person is doing. I know you’re probably one of those that really gets off on stabbing a stick in the ground. I’ve never run off a cliff in a “panic” as you state, but I have strategically run off one to get away from a much larger group of people since it’s impossible to get out of combat and WP to a place I need to be instead of waiting for some little clown to come poke me with a stick. So as it stands, 1. I have no armor repairs, and 2. I’m out of combat in a fruitless situation and back to more meaningful tasks. I saved myself time AND money, so who is the real winner there?

alcopaul.2156:

Alt-F4 to deny stomp points or Alt-F4 coz you got owned by an uplevel?

If you have the three buffs, +150 stats, uplevels are now an easy “1 shot”.

Kaamau.5341:

cimon.5798:

well to be completely honest your not getting replies from the devs because that would encourage your rash behavior.

1. the gvg community needs to go anyhow the sooner the better

2. it wont have much effect at all if the guild was worth anything to begin with

3. no the buff has not been around long enough to demonize it yet. sorry you and your pals gunna have to wait till there is actual data

4. wvw was never about balance its about tactics on a large scale and structure capturing your open field fights and gvg where a kittened squirrel frog offspring of it

in conclusion i think its about time this pretend wvw community that’s complaining about this just stops. your like 1/100th of the wvw community and just because you 30 or so people spam forums with the same posts over and over doesn’t mean you have tons of folks backing you. even if you did this is what we all signed up for it was fairly obvious from beta that it was a siege using fort capping kinda game play and if you don’t like it sorry but to bad

WvW is what you make of it, any portion of any activity that takes place in there is as valid as any other, open field combat on a larger scale will always take place in this game mode. This is simply because large groups of people are moving from location to location to siege and defend. These groups are bound to run into each other and attack each other. What GvG did is larger scale open field combat, but rather in a controlled environment. So it is part of WvW because it exactly replicates something that will happen and will happen often. sure its more controlled and more fair then these battles normally are. But what is wrong with players going out of their way to create something where they can test them selves and give themselves a greater challenge? Isn’t what the majority of players play this game for? a challenge?

And finally. You should have more respect for guilds in this community. The put in hours and hours of time into WvW NOT doing GvG and probably putting in more time that your self. So to put them down in a such a way just shows you lack respect for those who put in their time FOR your server.

This is all great when you have three servers with fairly even numbers and coverage. The buffs would be considerably less of an impact if they were to change ownership frequently. We all know this mostly happens in Tier 1 as well, where the teams are closer in overall score. Go look at EVERY single Tier below that and you’ll see ONE server blowing out the other two. Facts DO NOT lie. I guess the Data from the Orbs fiasco wasn’t enough to tell them this was a bad idea, despite admitting just that very fact. So here we go in the SAME direction with a different DEV thinking, hey let’s just change a few things like the name and maybe it will work this time. NO, it does NOT work now and it did not work THEN. To give everyone a fair chance at success by their own hands, there MUST be a balance. The best PvP I’ve played to date was in GW1 and balance was a key factor in it’s success. Being outnumbered can still be countered with superior skill and organization. You might not win based on PPT, but open field battles can be won with far less numbers than your opposing team. Larger servers with the ability to easily field the numbers needed to cap and hold the buffs clearly have a HUGE advantage. If you can’t see that, you might want to check your kitten to see if your head might be lodged in there. If you need a visual reference to the problem at hand, see this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wstIBq2H0z8

Littlefeather.8623:

Greens Daily Ritual.9025:

Littlefeather.8623:

Jamais vu.5284:

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Try capping it yourself with 15-20 people running between all the points, meanwhile you are out numbered like always and just barely holding on to towers and retaking those you have lost only to know its only a matter of time before they are lost again…

Aha. That is an interesting thing to say. Because if that happens you’ll be alleviated 15-20 enemy players on the map. Which means the system is working as intended.

Eaxctly,

yall dont realize that if 30 ppl wanna camp those points, thats 30 ppl not defending or taking anything on the map…

This coming from a server that has people EVERYWHERE at all times… Give it a rest dude… you guys are like kitten roaches.

TC is not the biggest zerg server in our current matchup with FA/DB

Did you happen to see FA’s zerg in EB this evening?

No, I did not. I don’t spend a lot of time in EB. That’s Troll Pug Central. I prefer to stick to the Borderlands.

Soundwave.8739:

+150 stats essentially reduces my level 80 to the functionality of an uplevel… zero chance of winning 1v1 etc.

There are many “side effects” to this buff. Previously you were able to play on an uplevel and have a fair degree of effectiveness in small groups. Now if 5-6 of you run across ONE person with a 100-150 stat buff, you’re all gonna eat dirt. Uplevels are now easily “one shotted”.

testpig.5018:

the stats are not bad, what is bad is the placements of the capture points.

Bloodlust should not apply the buffs to NPCs.

The only Buff that outmanned buff should provide is
-All Siege deal 20% more damage
-All NPCs/Walls/Doors take 20% less damage.

This will allow the server that is Outmanned, to still stand a chance and defend

Actually, it would be more beneficial to have the NPCs with the buffs and not the players. This makes defending much more important than it currently is now. I’d be willing to bet that 95% of the people opposed to the buff as it is would agree to NPCs being the only ones to have it. The new areas are nice, but it really does look like they just dropped a Spvp map smack dab in the middle of the lake.