Guild Wars 2

Yak’s players seem to be going out of there way to troll other people’s threads the last 48 hours. Classy server.

You don’t really need to worry about queues until T2 servers. From what I’ve heard, as I’m not T2, is that even queues thre aren’t too bad.

But lets just get real, come to Fort Aspenwood (T3). If you do, shoot me a PM and I’ll introduce you to some guilds based on what you want out of WvW. We’ve got a strong WvW guild presence that ranges the whole commitment spectrum.

Not to be self-serving, but I will be, our guild is breaking into smaller groups to be more efficient. We have a few others guilds on our server that do the same. We’re on FA though, so that may be too high a population for you and we have quite a few commanders. However, most orders are relayed over TS (server TS and guild TS). If interested, shoot me a PM for more info. If not, GL on your search.

I did a one week vacation to Ferg’s Crossing just two weeks ago to see what the fighting was like in that tier and had a blast with all the small group action. I was going to suggest them….but I guess I’m a little late on that one. There were a few commanders, but I thought they were all nice people.

Roo Stercogburn.9671:

Yeh its dreadful. You’ll never see Gunnar’s Hold selling out like that. One moment, getting a drink.

Ah, WvW with Gunnars Hold sponsored by Coca Cola.

Enjoy Coca Cola. WvW more. On Gunnars Hold. In Nikes.

Haha – you have my lols.

Bumping this. If you are interested in a rising, organized server with some great guilds. FA is the place. We have a lower population for our tier, so any additions are welcome. Minor queues on FABL and EB right after reset and maybe on Saturday’s N/A prime time. Queues are typically 5 to maybe 10 minutes and, again, literally only around that N/A prime time slot.

FA is perfectly fine. We only lost ULTD (3 weeks ago?) and PTX (2 weeks ago?) that I know of. Though they were both good guilds, in total they probably fielded around 20 to 30 players total during their peak times. Both weren’t too recent either, so as you see FA is still doing quite fine.

Edit to say 20 or 30 combined.

Too hard of a question because lots of classes are more situational than just….that. What’s your type of playing style?

I checked your post history and you seem to be honestly preparing for WvW not just trolling some class. To me, the best classes for WvW are:

1. Mesmer – can deal pretty good damage and has lots of way to mitigate inbound damage and disengage from fights. Can go ranged, melee, or condition.
2. Ele – Prob best AoE through staff; great survivability and OK damage with D/D.
3. Warrior – Good all around. I wouldnt’ say the “best” at anything but very good at lots of things. Can go ranged and melee.
4. Guardian – Similar to warrior but a little more emphasis on defense and damage mitigation than offense. Unfortunately, its ranged options for attacks are pretty terrible. Mostly melee unless you really want to use that scepter…
5. Thief – Best class for griefing people due to culling. If they fix culling in the Feb patch, things will be very different for thieves. Good at ranged and melee. Cannot take much damage though.

This is in no particular order and how effective each class is depends on your type of playstyle and objectives.

This is, of course, only my opinion.

We’d love to have you guys. Queue times only typically happen on our BL and EB and then only right after reset and occasionally on Saturday night N/A primetime. Even then, we are talking 5 to 10 minutes when it does happen.

I just sent you a PM with some side info if you want to investigate further.

FA is open to any interested parties. We need all timezones and we need all types of WvW’ers. Come as a single party. Come as a guild. Our arms are open. We’ll play Creed while you run out of a FA spawn ground for the first time.

If you’re single and looking to hook up, here are a handful of the many WvW guilds: PRO, RET, PF, TFAS, GODS, and BT — in no particular order. We have quite a few more than that but I’m trying to avoid alphabet soup.

If you have more questions you can essentially PM anyone above me on this thread. A number are the leaders of the guilds I listed.

Warning – we don’t stop fighting.

Mesmer is my main. The class is fine. If you want to give yourself 100% permaswiftness you can. I do it. All classes can’t have everything. Mesmers have a lot of other great abilities.

Xavi, you do not have a 5 sec gap for swiftness with Runes of Centaur. The swiftness is permanent. Cast focus 4 first and then layer your healing-based swiftness on top. If you heal immediately after focus 4, you get around 25 seconds of switftness so you can actually pop you’re healing-based one a second time before focus 4’ing again.

- Pouring one out for class diversity.

This video starts with some tower defense and moves into some other action but gives you a good idea of great defense and how to bust a zerg 5x your size:

I’ve only WvW’d and I’ve never had a gold problem for repairs and siege. I suggest you try to join a guild to help you learn the ropes for WvW. I can see how it looks chaotic and pointless if you are new. Unless you are level 80 and familiar with WvW strategy and the maps, running solo out there is typically a death sentence.

Also, even though you are upleveled if you aren’t level 80 yet, your damage is minuscule compared to real 80’s so they can mow you down pretty easily, which may be lending to the frustration. Leveling is pretty fast though so I’d recommend trying as level 80 before making any final decision.

Regarding defense, there are good places for siege and bad places. Placement can make or break your defense. You can’t be expected to know these things though until you get a little more experience under your belt. A guild would be very helpful here as well.

Hope it gets better. What server are you on? I guarantee there’s a guild that would love to work with you if you are interested.

mkaito.6981:

EnemyCrusher.7324:

mkaito.6981:

Defenders are barely able to stand on their own walls due to mass AoE, let alone actually shoot back. You better had siege placed and ready, because there’s no way you’re deploying a full defence set up before they break the gate. And they better arrive within the 30 minutes it takes the blueprints to despawn. But why bother? The zerg is going to roll over you either way.

Last week I singlehandedly defended a keep (without guild buffs) against a group of 20-25 invaders who tried setting up two arrow carts. They came back a little while later with about 50 people and 6 of us held them off despite that they had set up a catapault, flame ram, and two trebuchets.

The point being that defending a keep or a tower is far from hopeless, even if you’re outnumbered. It sounds like your own attitude and inexperience are what keep you from succeeding.

I think that’s pretty awesome. I wonder how you did that, though.

I’ve done this too. It feels pretty great. It’s all about placing and building the siege before the enemy zerg shows up or else they’ll see the siege prints you dropped and start AoE’ing it. There are times when you just can’t stop the zerg. Gotta take the loss and keep trucking.

At OP, I’d highly recommend switching servers and joining a guild if that has been your experience in WvW. Different servers are in different metas due to what they’ve experienced. In general, larger populations force more competition, which then generates better strategy. WvW is kind of like a canvas and paint brush…anyone can play but it’s up to you and the other participants to make it something truly amazing.

Sifu.6527:

Atlas.6901:

Sifu.6527:

Atlas.6901:

Sifu.6527:

When I said set rotation, I mean rotation like these.

RTL—->updraft
BS——>ROF/DB
MS—->EQ
Water to heal

When to use them is up to the player. Nonetheless, a set rotation like any other (e.g. 100B+WA).

Two-ability combos are hardly “rotations.” And even these two-ability combos don’t work as well against good players, unless you’ve intelligently drawn out dodges and defensive CD’s without using them, so that you know you can get away with the combo (or unless you jump a fight where somebody has no cooldowns).

At this point, how many folks don’t know to dodge when they see RTL coming? For that reason, I often RTL (shorter CD) to bait a dodge, ignore Updraft, and instantly BS a target on the move — good, but not killer damage, but it gives you the upper hand to set you up for a later combo (and avoids burning all of your interrupts when they got to heal and have no dodges left).

Fighting games have combos too, but I would hardly consider those standard “rotations.”

Ah so you do follow the set attunement rotation from Air-Fire-Earth…my point exactly.

Actually, that wasn’t your point. But excellent job making a new one and then proceeding to over-generalize. Obviously Air -> Fire can synergize very well together, but that doesn’t mean that you always follow that attunement swap necessarily. You only have two interrupts as D/D, so there are plenty of situations where you might skip Air to go into Fire and save Updraft to interrupt the heal. What exactly are you trying to prove?

Please excuse me. I forgot to mention that I posted under another name in this thread. My point is, Ele aren’t hard to play.Using the rotation I mentioned will let you win most fights vs decent/average players since it comes down to who can last longer.

D/D ele’s are the new thief when you are terrible. D/D Ele’s are viable, like some of the other classes, but if you are getting owned within seconds like a thief can do then I don’t know what to say. You are terrible. And, if you can beat someone with a predetermined set of attacks as some of the mini-Napoleon’s on this thread are stating, then that person you are fighting is terrible so don’t confuse that with you being good. One does not equal the other.

This thread is also terrible.

Terrible.

Catisa.6507:

Sorry us no-lifers hate you space wasters, you contribute nothing to wvw except longer queues … spvp is over there —-->

o i c – you are on one of the servers that has full pops across all 4 maps 24/7. What’s that server’s name again?

Follidus.8027:

Thanatos.2431:

The unwarrented chatter hurts my ears….

“I healing, i’m using my heal, i’m doing this i’m doing that…….”

If you were coordinated you would have 1 guy running the fight and using your spells together when it would be more effective.

I think you got lucky you found a group of lowbie pugs to woop up on…..

10/10 totally agree with this guy. Seriously like if you weren’t fighting random lowbie undergeared zerged pugs with your fully coordinated ventrillo group you wouldn’t be able to win.

True coordination is having one guy calling out what everyone else should be doing. None of this useless chatter like “i’m healing,” or “I’m auto attacking.” Like jesus christ people, what is the point of this. You need to have one LEADER calling everything out. One leader should tell you when to youse your abilities. He should call out when you should heal, and when you should save your heal for when someone else can water field > blast finisher heal you.

All this excess useless chatter is completely distracting because when you’re chattering about useless things like heals and frost fields you can’t see what’s going on. I know this was just a pug which is why you won but jesus when you fight REAL PVPERS you have to actually WATCH what is going on and you can’t do that if you’re constantly TALKING uselessly.

Last point I want to make it PERFECTLY clear that it was NOT 30 people that you went up against. You need to pause your video, count the number of enemies, and update the thread title. Because CLEARLY it was NOT 30 people. This thread should be closed for being so MISLEADING.

Should be called: “4vLess Than 30 underleveled undergeared zerg pugs”

This is definitely better than most videos I see posted. You two must be the least wanted people in the back of a car.

Also, thanks for making that body count perfectly clear. Please check their post for spelling next.

Bunzy.8674:

Haldunius.7864:

Bunzy.8674:

Aytrix.4059:

Bunzy.8674:

There is a guild sub forum for this kind of stuff.

Recruitment specifically for WvW belongs specifically in the WvW forum.

Thanks for the bump tho!

This will end up having the opposite result to what you hoped for.

No it won’t – FA is a great server.

I agree I like FA however this thread makes me feel negatively towards them.

I had to delete my original response to your feeling because it was too easy so I’ll stick to my purpose. This is a great server for interested parties. New players, single party, two’s or guilds are all welcome.

Bunzy.8674:

Aytrix.4059:

Bunzy.8674:

There is a guild sub forum for this kind of stuff.

Recruitment specifically for WvW belongs specifically in the WvW forum.

Thanks for the bump tho!

This will end up having the opposite result to what you hoped for.

No it won’t – FA is a great server.

kylia.4813:

Really?
Lets move away from server X and server Y is better than or is more zergy than or is less hardcore…

Every server, will have hardcore guilds/players, casual guilds/players and every other kind of player, so I’m sure that video posted above could have been for any server including CD,FA or in this case IoJ, the only difference is that this person managed to get it on video. (I have a video of 3 of us killing 17 (confirmed kills) against SoS, does that make all of SoS a “un-hardcore strategy” server?
Of course not, thats just generalising…

After all generalisation is a distortion of reality

I totally agree. That’s why I found the video so amusing after some people from IoJ were talking about their “battle hardened warriors” , etc., blah and stuff. I think server pride is great, but it’s silly to pretend only one server has good players or suffered some purge of bads. And since that was the lingering thread direction I felt the need to chime in with a bit of supporting evidence to the contrary.

Altie.4571:

Blrrgh.6908:

If you haven’t been on IoJ for the duration of the “GW2 Anabasis” that IoJ has experienced since September, you have no idea of the quality or determination of the core population. See you all in WvW.

Every server has some form of this statement. So please don’t use it in a “we are better than you” argument.

FA had guilds abandon and then clawed back up. CD had a large exodus and we’re almost back to where we were (T2). IoJ was a ginormous zerg server when we first fought them, now they are smaller in numbers.

So please, give credit to everyone. Those that play WvW are for the most part the ones that stuck around and enjoy the competition.

Thread seems to have died so I figured I’d reference this video:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/4vs30-No-problem/first#post1164190

in context of IoJ’s posts above and then ask what IoJ’s “hardcore” strategy was here.

Looks like some of the FA’ers are….RVLS (was that the tag?) or something very similar. If I’m right with the guild tag, this is a hello from Handeman (mesmer). I think I did some small supply circuit runs on IoJ or CD BL with you guys Saturday with my guildie DrToph (d/d ele). Was fun if that was you guys.

Tammuz.7361:

Im not sayin they should or shouldn’t nerf it, im just sayin they need to be consistant: and mincing words dosent count: an Aoe anti projectile spell is an aoe anti projectile spell, and it should be that either aoe anti projectile stuff works on seige or it dosent… not this one does but these 4 dont.

Thats all.

Agreed /15 chars.

I think a lot of people are missing the point. I don’t care if the thief designer babysits NCSofts children every Friday night. I don’t care if Svarty got pwnd by a D/D Ele and tried to derail the thread that way.

Thief is broken. Stealth has no counter. And the whole problem is exacerbated by culling. People are tired of playing this game because it’s turning in Thiefwars2. I believe that was the OP’s point and I have yet to see a mildly intelligent or even slightly coherent rebuttal in this thread.

Svarty.8019:

Double dagger elementalist is the new thief.

Oh snap they have stealth, can dish over 10k dmg in one move from stealth then re-stealth before being attacked, and can stomp from stealth?

Despite attacks from the grammar special forces reserve units, stealth is broken in this game — especially in WvW. Fixes could maybe include such things as larger CD’s in WvW only to counter culling issues (don’t like this as much) or maybe creating some abilities to actually penetrate stealth…you know…a counter skill (like this more). The current solution of mindless AoE is super swell but wouldn’t it be nice to pop that Clearvision utility that gives enhanced perception for 5 seconds on a 60 sec CD? That doesn’t seem OP to me….

Stealth + Burst Dmg = Broken

stinkypants.8419:

I for one will not be attacking FA unless I get scooped up in a zerg. I will either be in IoJ BL, EB, or my own precious and glorious CD BL. I have no intention to give IoJ the time of day.

There I said it, so what.

As an FA’er, I support this statement and hope our server has a similar outlook.

If Ele’s get swirling winds why doesn’t Mesmer feedback work anymore? That worked against siege at release and got completely nerfed out shortly after release.

MuffinMan.3285:

although I agree free transfers should have been put to rest a loooong time ago, dont hate on the person recruiting from your server…hate on the people who are willing to leave.

make it a reportable offense, for what?? they arent breaking any rules.

Congrats Primordial Dragons for dragging yourselves through the mud. It shouldn’t be reportable but it is scummy so I’m glad 4 threads have been posted about it. Those threads will ensure that any people considering your guild also get an idea of the quality of such membership. Shoot me a PM when I can get a free rocket with the gold you guys sell.

I spent the first two months or so after release only doing PvP. All my buddies were level 80 and I was level….6 I think (I admit – I got dragged into a little PvE <sad bears>). I thought WvW would be PvP lite but I was…somewhat wrong. You can find some really great PvP opportunities in WvW by staying with small groups or roaming solo but you can just as easily join with the zerg to change up the momentum. Now, I basically only WvW and never PvP. The level of “PvP competition” may not be as high, but I still find it more enjoyable. I leveled my Mesmer from level 6 to 80 solely from WvW and it was great. Mesmer was an ideal class for that though since it’s pretty easy to escape when needed.

I don’t think I ever got truly “one-shotted” but there were many, many times when I took an 80% hit to HP from one attack. I honestly didn’t find the level disparity to be that big an issue and it probably made me a better PvP’er by playing at such a large disadvantage for so long (i.e. my biggest attacks landing like 1.2k dmg). And I have to say, nothing was more satisfying than taking down a level 80 as an underleveled character. Now that I hit 80 I’ve been considering leveling a warrior through WvW.

Not sure if that helped but there you go.

IRSyKo.5843:

Peetee.9406:

Hire moving off was a far greater hit to the server than the event. There are players on SoR and BG doing the event as well so I don’t think that was much of a factor.

Your new T3 matchup should be relatively even but that’s not to say it’s going to be a fun matchup for any of you guys. Last I knew Fort Aspenwood was primarily European, Crystal Desert was primarily American, and Isle of Janthir was primarily Asian/Oceanic. So while the scores will stay close there will not be very much quality fighting in this matchup, a lot of PvDoor would be my guess.

Hope I am wrong and it’s a great matchup for you guys tho. Good luck IoJ! Was a blast in T2 these last 2 months.

Lol this is so wrong its funny.

FA is primarily American, and Crystal Desert is Primarily oceanic

Sometimes we (FA) do wear fake mustaches and talk with French accents though.

DivineBeing.2086:

Today in FA BL it was interesting to fight some FA exploiters from taking Cliffside and Green Briar. Flipped them both twice :/.

Not blaming the entire server, but that tactic is just pathetic. I understand you lost your entire BL but never resort to using exploits.

Again, not blaming the entire server.

Yes – I’m sure your post I’m quoting made them feel very naughty. I hope you are equally as successful in all your ventures.

I was just expressing my gratitude. It’s well known that server exploits are rare occurrences and only happen on a few, select servers so I was glad that DivineBeing didn’t try to blame the whole server for the actions of one or a few. I’m assuming that was the point of his post because I can’t see any other reason for it.

DivineBeing.2086:

Today in FA BL it was interesting to fight some FA exploiters from taking Cliffside and Green Briar. Flipped them both twice :/.

Not blaming the entire server, but that tactic is just pathetic. I understand you lost your entire BL but never resort to using exploits.

Again, not blaming the entire server.

Thank god you aren’t blaming the whole server. Your benevolence knows no bounds. Thanks for the great tip though. I was worried it was only pathetic when TC exploits into the keeps and towers but your post clarified that for me.

Lanimal.6541:

This is what I as a TC player observe defending against FA. I think people took my post the wrong way, I never stated that all those strategies are unique to TC alone, of course they are not. Its just that our execution and consistency of those said strategies happens outside of just ‘WvWvW guilds’, it happens with our organized pugs and militia groups. There are often many active group composed parties (Thieves + Mesmers for e.g.) running that consist of members of various guilds (PVE and WvWvW).

That is the main difference, we spend an often lot of time not being exclusionary and acting elite within the various top WvWvW guilds instead we try to consistently up the knowledge of our pugs, everything new we learn we dont keep it as a ‘guild secret’ we share it with other guilds and even pugs. In defense, a knowledgeable group of 10-15 that knows how to deal with nearly every single scenario can do a lot against a zerg.

Before logging off, I will grab someone I know or someone new and pass on the scenarios to him, “if they try to cata wall, this is how you mortar it, if they try to treb from Stargrove you can counter them with this mortar or this treb (keep it active), make sure to keep these three pieces of siege active at the very least etc…”, this person can be a guildie, a regular or a pug that I barely know, as long as hes willing to take up the task, I trust him to do it.

Do we make mistakes? All the time. I get very peeved about losing keeps with kittenty defense. The day when CD and FA took all our borderlands we could have stopped it. Someone started the fortification upgrade before Cannons and Mortars so we lost hills because every educated player knows that mortars > fortification for defense. Now we make sure that we tell everyone about our upgrading order, inform the pugs so that doesn’t happen again.

At the end of the day if a group of four can build a regular ram and take out reinforced gates at outer bay and hills without having any response from FA because they are ‘dealing’ with the breakout event just shows to me how slow in responding their defense is. We were spotted when the gate was 50% as well, few people came trickling in but none were smart enough to just go to the inner mortar and 1 hit our ram let alone build a cata or AC instead they just wanted to fight us 4v4 and die. This shows an uneducated militia/pug force, you guys need to take more responsibility in helping your pugs than acting elitist against them.

On the same topic, I have rarely rarely seen a party of 4 or 5 from FA being able to ninja a Tower or Keep out in the TCBL without us responding in time, the few times I have seen it, it was done by the guys from ULTD who are probably the only guild in FA I respect in tactics, execution, individual skill and overall strategy. Oh and TSI is pretty decent as well.

I really hope you guys make it to T2. I’m so tired of reading this type of worthless babble from TC (I actually didn’t read it all because I could tell it was worthless and redundant after the first sentence). Yes, you guys are perfect. In addition to your perfect WvW strategy, you also seem to have an uncanny ability to watch the movements of every FA player at all times so you can post such amazingly educated criticisms on the forums. We all strive to be a server that’s way too overpopulated for the tier it’s been stuck in because it is obviously so amazingly skilled. I eagerly await the tell-all so I too can learn your secrets.

Would love a score/map update if possible. Thanks.

rhyein.6172:

Karykarywook.2481:

I see this comment far, far too much on these forums. Somehow TC has some type of special powers that can read all team and map chat, squad chat, party chat, guild chat, and at the same time, are on all ventrilo (etc) servers.

Pretty amazing.

The truth is – there are some great FA commanders that can do some great things and give great instructions. You just have to know which ones to follow

How is that any different from FA saying that TC doesn’t know anything about strategy and tactics and just faceroll their way to victory from sheer numbers? Pot, meet kettle. It’s going to be great when IoJ drops to T3 next week and we get to see the same stupid arguments hashed out against them as they inevitably dominate the tier, despite the fact that they’ve proven their worth in T1/T2 for far longer than FA has even been in T3.

It depends if IoJ can rival TC as the most successful victims in WvW. If not, it should be an enjoyable change.

cannedflame.3597:

Haldunius.7864:

cannedflame.3597:

If he’s from TC, then why is he whining? This confuses me. We’ve been ahead all week. :/

He’s not whining. He’s calling out some of his own server for whining about PvP happening in a PvP zone.

- Edited for speling

Reread his last statement.

Fair enough – I’d still say not whining…perhaps lamenting is better. I’ll show you some whine mister…(my last post with this pic got infracted so yes, I’m recycling)

Also – score/map update please?

cannedflame.3597:

If he’s from TC, then why is he whining? This confuses me. We’ve been ahead all week. :/

He’s not whining. He’s calling out some of his own server for whining about PvP happening in a PvP zone.

- Edited for speling

Great WvW server for those interested. Lots of room for all. Very, very short queues during rest primetime only and when those even exist they are usually limited to EB and FA BL.

I find it funny how TC’s victories and “superior defense” were only population imbalances and its alliance with YB. Now that those two items are removed it appears TC has some strategizing to do.

HenryAu.7523:

TCer here.

I had a lot of fun running around with the BLNT guys last night on my leveling guardian. Thanks for putting up with my ineptitude! Haha. You guys are cool.

As for CD and FA splitting the TC BL map last night… Well YB and TC were doing the same to FA BL for the last couple of weeks quite often (I’ll omit the reasons here). This time it’s TC’s turn to get ganged up on in our BL for other reasons. I won’t speak for others but I’m personally cool with it and it’s just the way the game works imho. I would like to see the people who were publicly begging our opponents to team up on our home BL (since last week) to step it up now that we get what you wanted… at least while their cooperation lasts.

Looking forward to more fun fights for the rest of the week.

They are too busy telling everyone why alliances are against game rules and running to Kmart for more kleenex. Glad to see some true TC’ers come out once they are on the other side of a 2v1.

^ Yup. I’ve never had auto-follow either. If it did auto-track, I’d happily request those training wheels be removed.

Brutalistik.6473:

That’s not a counter that’s just being a jerk and unlike you we really wasn’t asking for a nerf …All I’m asking is that blurry frenzy should not be able to be evade all attacks like AOE.

As I said, I’ll let your posts do the talking for me. Please stop trying to ruin this game.

Edit: And dude, it’s Blurred Frenzy. If you are going to storm the forums crying for nerfs at least get the name right. Obviously not an L2P issue for you.

Nothing to counter. Your guys’ posts do it for me. Got a bunch of bad players lighting up the torches and stampeding towards the nerf gates.

Actually, here I have a counter. Go play another game and stop trying to ruin this one for everyone else because your bads.

Good for you. I kill them too. Doesn’t change the fact backstab dumb and if we are going to talk about nerfing anything, then we should talk about nerfing attacks from inviso that have no counter. Honestly, I don’t think any moves should be nerfed. 99.9% of this is L2P. Inviso itself, however, just needs a counter or needs to be removed from the game. So anytime I see incredibly stupid threads like this one, I’m going to just highlight the stupidity of the content by pointing out backstab.

Backstab: 10k to 14k damage from inviso with no counter.

I hear CD got some N/A guilds to join. From my understanding, that was one of their worse coverage slots.

Nerf thieves – 10k to 14k damage with one move from inviso with no counter. Until that happens, no other classes attacks should be touched.

Yiyojin.3241:

Quoting.
Learn to play.
Every player that has a bit of experience knows how to evade blurred frenzy + very predictive attack.
As when I see a warrior running to me with the bulls charge, i know that HB is comming, and I try to do something about it.
So befor you psot a problem, that is a problem only because you don’t know how to play your class, take the time you would spent writing insane posts to practice.
And if you are not rank atlest 25+ you have no right to complain here about classes, because you still don’t have learned to play.

It’s obvious these people did not buy this game to learn to play it. They just want to install and insta-pwn because they are all obviously the best players in GW2 so no one should be able to beat them.

To all the people QQ’ing, just roll thieves if you don’t want a challenge. Stop trying to destroy the mesmer class. It has already gotten seriously kittened through the phantasm changes.

I don’t like that thieves go can go inviso and drop 10k to 14k damage in one backstab so there is literally nothing you can do. But hey, that’s fair right because it has a counter – remove program. Lets start there and not try to nerf one of the remaining viable mesmer attacks.

I get so confused sometimes. Did most of you people buy GW2 because you were exhausted from QQ’ing about your last MMO or did you buy it to play?

Random Weirdness.6750:

Haldunius.7864:

Score update please?

TC- 241,168 points
FA- 149,976 points
YB- 142,593 points

Possible Points:
TC- +295
YB- +230
FA- +170

Thank you good sir

I could see FA (assuming FA stays ahead of Yaks) and CD forming a very, very informal alliance against you good sir as they were both the subject to the TC-YB “phantom” alliance.

I say phantom because I think any perceived TC-YB alliance was actually the result of logic point #2 from Tagnut, but it still steams yo. I don’t see FA and CD actually formalizing anything, but both potentially gunning for TC.