Guild Wars 2

Yes all 4 damaging skills are rather slow, but they are powerful, I think they are fine as they are

So what it stops being an “Elite Specialization”? DH is meant to be the damage spec of the Guardian, they won’t touch the bow

After playing a lot of PvP sure I thought the traps were strong, but I have reached a point where I can say they are good, but not OP.

Icdan Sevaen.4628:

Stopped reading after reading about sword.
Sword aa is primary damage from sword, sword #2 has nearly 700 base damage with 4 stacks of might at Teq, so where’s the 300 coming from… I’ve had 3-4k crits with it. Maybe even more.
UA is good for 1v1’s, add a second target and your damage already drops a load. No need for a nerf.

Give this man a cookie!

Did not read the thread? I have a TL;DR, Evasion OP, nerf Thieves, the end.

Double hitting needs to be fixed, but it is a skill you can walk over.. In PvE it is weak, in WvW it is strong, in 1v1 situations I have yet to get a 1200 hit on people, and Anet has stated THEY DO NO BALANCE FOR WVW, and as long as the melee train, well sadly this is a learn to play issue for the community

Please no, if anything the sword auto attack is actually fine, if you use the assassins quickness your Energy is drained at -10(which is everything) by mostly doing that and leave’s the rev venerable if there is a cd on stance, maybe you can get away with this in general PvE but in PvP? No it is no where near as forgiving. Skill 2 is wtf was Anet thinking here and skill 3 is unreliable at best. Believe or not the revenants damage is no where near as strong as other classes at this very time and truth be told it is not meant to. That seemingly useless f2 skill is what makes the Herald shine, that 50% boon duration will make everyone love you and your boon stacking ability.

Truth be told I would not touch the dwarf stance utilities, Shiro heal needs work or better scaling with power. Agreed corruption GM trait is bad, also retribution needs a rework. Glints heal is the best heal we revenants have as it invites us to go to an area full of damage, go in deep and get full health easy.

Now when it comes to nerfs and buffs you must realise that Anet has to take in account ALL OF THE GAME, from WvW to PvP to PvE and its subsections such as dungeons, fractals, raids and such, I personally think revenants need a very very slight buff to damage

Some very pointless things said in this topic, the answer is no, its currently not viable in high end gvg and even mid tier. It just doesn’t bring anything superior to the table that other classes accel at already, if played really well it can do something ofc, but it is just not as effective as other classes.

I love the engi and I hope the Forge brings something to the table for GvGs

I’m in, let’s do this!

Currently have recruitment open for all classes! Must be able to hold a PvP trial

Contact me or:

*Brang.4356
*Mrjap.7691

Currently looking for

• 4 Guardians
• 2 Staff eles
• 2 worker warriors
• 2 Necros

Feel free to contact me or any one of the officers:

• Brang.4356
• Painkiller.4361
• Mrjap.7691

[CBA] The Cabbage Association

What is The Cabbage Association?

It all started when a bunch of cabbage farmers decided to convene…No? Well The Cabbage Association is a guild that focuses on all aspects of PvP, be that from small scale PvP to large scale, we love to duel, we love to GvG, we love PvP, we are a guild that not only strives to improve our teamwork, but also to increase the individuals’ level of skill. That is also to say that we don’t enjoy other areas of the game, but if you have desire to rise and to improve yourself and work with a team, The Cabbage Association might be for you, well… just maybe.

Now a lot of people think a GvG guild is “Hard-Core”, personally I think that word is too ambiguous, but when raid time comes we are serious.

This is a guild that is in the process of forming so raids still have not started.

Besides WvW and GvG we love to PvP, that doesn’t mean we ignore the PvE side of the game however.

What can [CBA] offer?:

• Players Experienced in GvG who have a passion for GvG/WvW and PvP
• 5 Raids a week during 18:00 GMT to 21:00 GMT
• PvP arena to practice/duel
• A Teamspeak server, naturally for the raids but also to chill with guildies off raid or go on a rampage in PvP

What [CBA] is looking for in a prospect member:

• Moderate skill in both WvW and PvP
• People who can take feedback and are willing to improve, not only as a team player but on the individualistic scale also.
• People who want to be a part of a community with like minded goals in the game and with that 100% rep to further integrate the community. (Guild banks, PvP teams and such are of course allowed)
• People looking to aim for the top in the competitive GvG scene
• Maturity, does not really need explaining.

If you have any questions don’t hesitate to Pm me, Imperator totius Sylvari.9164 or to visit our forums on http://www.dat-cabbage.com/

I hope to see you on the battlefield.

Divine Was Jp

What the poster above said is true, your traits barely make sense and you are too squishy with your traits,

A build I use for both roaming and zerging is usually a 6/0/4/0/4 build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAR3ejMdU2ZXIOewJagggC5snCmXgAIBUuG1OA-TVSBABXcEAoZ/BKV/xMlgXp8LiHAAe6G04CAAwBBgUARsMC-w

This is with ruins of the strength, its ideal for 1v1’s and such but can work nicely in zergs if you get used to it, of course if you run with melandru and the lemongrass to stop soft cc such as imob, chill and crip.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAR3ejMdU2ZXIOewJagggC5snCmXgAIBUuG1OA-TVSBABXcEACa/BKV/xMlgXp8LiHAAe6G04CAAwBBgUAMpMC-w

If you want a more damaging build suitable for zerging switch out bulls rush and put in balanced stance, also the traits are a bit different

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNAR3ejMdUGaXIOewJagfgC1tbOAKgGQ9bk7dBA-TlSBABXcEACa/BuUyQp6PR8AAwS50iKBxT3gGXAAAOIAkCgJlRA-w

Or you can run with the classic Worker Warrior which is ideal for just zergs,

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fJAQNBiYDbkpjKP78wMEORDUFUIX8AQ5Q04pPhXIFA-T1iFABGcEAgZ/hkUCtkSGkUOMo6OA8QAIUlA9UCemuhEuAAkCgJlRA-w

Not the most damaging thing but putting imob on enemies and CC’ing them the hammer and sword f1 is always fun.

But in reality the build really is up to you, the stats I put are the ones I play with sometimes (I mostly roam on my warrior nowadays anyways) a build in a way is dependent on the player in terms of armor, if you want them more tanky or less just play around with the armor! Sigils on weapons are also your choice, the ones I put are the ones I prefer, I like intel+ force for a nice axe f1 along with shield bash for a stun. Traits generally stay the same, but if your going to stay in greatsword more switch out axe mastery.

As for Runes…. I really like Strength even though if the enemy gets a chill/cripple on you and starts kiting you will be in a lot of trouble, Melandru is usually the way to go here but again its preference, as for Scholar, I do run it, but thats due to instances where the enemies are just so bad that you can utilize scholars full potential, other then that its safer to use other runes.

Hope this helps

Note: On the earlier builds I use II instead of great fortitude III that is a mistake

Chaotic Storm.2815:

I’m sorry for your pain and troubles. The sickness you are suffering from is a case known as “narcissism” as of yet there is no known cure to correct this issue. however there is a treatment to help relieve some of the pressure for your inflated head. I few sound smacks from a nerf bat will quickly help you and all your fellow warriors return to respectable size.

xD

This “Nerf bat” sounds like the perfect weapon for a warrior,

TEMPEST LEAF DEMANDS IT. <3

I sent Ticket to nice Dev People to help and now go to the magic forum thingy (these mesmer’s and their fancy magic)

Hello, I am Tempest Leaf. Greatest Warrior EU and just MIGHTY, I come to the Devs Almighty as my ability to spam 2 with my greatsword is not solving my problem.

My problem is that my Head is big, I think it there is a slight case that I put a virus in my computer. It started today at 1 in the morning,losing my feeling as the Greatest WARRIOR EU, me being me decided to download some rather saucy pictures of Kasmeer Meade during her visit to the southsun cove;);) after admiring the pictures with all my MIGHT and feeling the again as the greatest warrior EU I went to practice combat with my eyes closed, needless to say Mr.Theodore had it coming.

Upon returning from my combat training and relogging I found my head to be big, I heard rumors that downloading pictures may contribue to notorious hideous things that cause problems on computing devices, since they are bad I shall call them Rangers, I think my computer got affected by a “Ranger” and now my once sexy, powerful warrior… has a head that my collectable Bob Saget Bobblehead doll would be proud of, but as he does not look like Bob Saget it does not fit.

This is why I ask the Almighty Dev’s to remove the “Ranger” effecting my precious Warrior and to repair it so the head is back to its glorious form, or to make my warrior look like Kasmeer (that might even be better).

Happy April fools, I lied, I never doubted I was the best Warrior EU, I AM the best Warrior eu.
Many Thanks,
Tempest Leaf,
Best Warrior EU
(and everywhere else)

Have very best day,
Signed,
Best Warior EU,
Tempest Leaf aka Kaptan Lafty

<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3

I don’t understand what we are gaining for arguing something as pointless as this, nothing will come out of it. We can’t point guns to people and tell them to stop playing WvW, if they like playing at late night there isn’t anyone who can stop them besides themselves.

Why does this matter anyways, some of my best moments commanding our friendlies was coming online on the mornings and seeing an EB with 0 towers and then through the effort of our fellow players not giving up we would conquer our part of the map and even take SM. Not a single time did I hear these players complain when we thought Viz, we played what we liked and we had a good time doing it. It was only the commanders who would complain about it and I assume the same thing is happening again, most of the people complaining here are from respectable WvW guilds and/or respectable commanders or people in their respectable server, if your fellow players have not given up then please don’t give up yourselves, I’m sure quite a few people look up to you.

As for an alliance between FSP and Gandalf or Deso and Gandalf or Deso and Vizunah or Deso and Bob Saget, if people feel its beneficial to act in some way go for it, if you feel it helps your server go for it its not like the opposing server can do anything about it.

But any ways the bottom line is we play this game to have fun, and in wvw especially have fun, have fun with your guildies while playing it, have fun with your server mates, have fun through your hard times, have fun with your victories and defeats, have fun capping towers and camps, have funs wiping of zergs superior to your own numbers, but all in all, just have fun

If we are going to play with [INC] I am going to need my rubber ducky and a lot of foam

<.<

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh85R-S-dh8

But in all seriousness we would love to fight [INC] (and it would be great fun also ) but in this match up our schedule is a tad full.

Also, thanks for [PunK] for the GvG, we had a blast <3

Thanks [Dawn] for the GvG, we had great fun <3 and you put a great fight
One of your engis was really really cute so I gave him some flowers <3

Agreed, thanks guys for the lovely fights <3 I can easily say that I enjoyed everyday of this matchup due to the amazing fights that both opposing servers provided.

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

street.2176:

Nice fights with DVG and EXT (?) yesterday at Gandara Bay, even though we didnt get the bay while you were defending, we both mustve gotten a hell lot of lootbags^^

It’s EXG but one of our Officers who is also a wvw PVE commander and slayer of the Grub and Wurm likes the name EXT.
There were some good fights on Gandara BL last night but it was very blobby and laggy at the same time

That was 1 time I called us EXT :/… (Fine it was 2) and PvE commander? Bah Kill the Grub a few….times… and people start calling you PvE Commander

V
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We meet again my Love,
made my heart flutter like a dove…
Arenanet, our love you cannot sever….
Vizunah and Desolation… Together Forever!

I loved the golem’s , thanks to all who participated that night! Thanks to both Kodash and SFR for the fights in EB during the night.

I know just wish I didn’t have 1 min- 2 min delay during our primetime…

@earthian.1520- Silent Leaf is still here ;P

Requiescat in pace momma golem….

This happens to me a lot during Prime time, My ping is fine to everywhere but gw, where I can see fights happening 1-2 mins after they have happened which is annoying as it only happens during primetime:/

Desolation had it finished just 5 mins ago

ASP.8093:

The sword chain is melee. And you have to stay in melee to get the big juicy third attack. So I think it should be better than ranged attacks, even your “initiative dump” attack — because you have to put in more work to make it work.

P/P could use some changes, but I don’t think Unload necessarily needs to hit harder.

Tell that to the warriors rifle, that thing hits like a truck compared to a lot of melee.

Shadowstep (which becomes shadow return) is a good stun breaker with 1200 range and will cure 3 conditions, if you are using a condition build you may wish to switch out Assassins signet for Shadowstep.

I use Air and Bloodlust, as its been said Air as its single target damage,

Kirito.8796:

Evilek.5690:

Kirito.8796:

I don’t see why this class has a completely different mechanic to all others, the initiative system. Why erase CD’s for one class? surely it’d be hard to balance a class that has spammable skills.

1. spammable evades
2. spammable aoe bombs
3. spammable teleports
4. spammable stealth
5. spammable stun breaks
6. spammable gap closers
7. spammable dazes

Every single one of the things above is a must have on a utility or is on a weapon skill with a CD for every other class.

Infinity initiative ? 90% of the people who write here have absolutely no idea how the thief works.

I have a thief, I know how it works. with a condition p/d set you can use cnd constantly after the revealed buff is lifted. what other class gets to use there 5 skill that often? none.

And how many CnD’s can you pull off during a fight? To get the stealth with CnD you have to hit at 130 range, a simple dodge will negate 6 of your initiative and put you in an awkward position.

Did not attend (too late for me and my timezone)/ no mail

Marduh.4603:

Knote.2904:

He’s not wrong actually.
Backstab is fine.
Mug isn’t.

Arguments do not see. Why one stealth skill is damage autoattacks and soft control, and the other has four damage autoattacks?

Mug – one burst skill for many other sets of arms with a huge cooldown.

I agree mug has a 45 second cooldown if untraited and requires the usage of a trait for steal to be damaging. Their nerf on CnD’s damage to reduce the extent of the burst.

There are some horrible hacks in spvp, Ive seen a video where a thief pulled 3 pistol whips without appearing in screen, and this was not from culling as you can still see the wisp of smoke usually. The rendering is still horrible and needs to be fixed.

Rayya.2591:

Plaxy.4617:

Yha 24 stacks of might + 25 blood lust is is + 1100 =4500 attack if he’s full Berk with 254% crit damage so 4500*1100*2.4(Backstab skill mod /2900)=10400 (approx after 2.54 crit modifier) then he could potentially have up to about another 72% damage mod from traits so he could hit alot harder. with that many stacks of Might and bloodlust.

how can he have 72% mod from trait? 10% expose weakness + 10% first strikes + 5% Dagger trainning +5% flanking strikes= 30% and 24 stacks of might, weren’t there

There is also a assassin signet that he could of used, that or it was some wierd bug

Taobella.6597:

backstab first time he hide second time could be cause by blinding powder recloak him right away with out attacking or shadow refuge or he had hide on steal just waiting. that only way that come to my mind he could do a double bs

Revealed should stop this, shouldn’t it?

Rayya.2591:

Since moderator say is thief related i will coppy // past it here
Even In my oppinion i belive is some kind of bug
Ok , i will not complain about it , i am an thief as well.
I assume is was some kind of bug, because in over 1000 hours of wvw this is the first time it happens to me,i normaly eat max 6000 backstab at my defence, but i would also accept an logical explanation if it wasn’t an bug.
I eat an backstab of 12000 Damage, but more interestion is the cloack and dagger who hit me for 6500 damage
In 1’st attached screen are my stats downed ( traits off, with traits my defence is with 300 more ), in second screen my “normal” stats
The thief who bursted me had no nourishment bonuses but it had 25 stacks of bloodlust

Some of us in desolation have been running with staff guardians for empower thats 12 stacks of might or 24 if there were 2, was it a 1v1 situation, but I personally have never hit 12k with backstab on a level 80, but I usually am solo.

This thread just shows us the level of the people complaining about the thief…. Our AoE is lackluster compared to a lot of classes, our CC is bad, probably the worst if not so. The only buff we have access to untraited is(and without stolen skill effects like consume plasma) regeneration (this includes utilities and weapon skills) and so we virtually have no supports to groups so one of the best things we can offer to a group is damage. (In comparison the warrior offers good support and has a burst kin to the Thieves). To be honest I am fine with that as the word thief does not scream support now does it?

Our mobility is the 3rd best, not second best, as a warrior can me more mobile then us.

Our burst whilst being dangerous is no where near the highest damaging one, there is recent vid showing a ele pulling out a crazy combo, Warriors with 100b’s and the rifle can hit like a truck if spec’ed right.

In all honesty the thief right now is fine, but I would like to see some knockdowns in the future, traps that are more usable along with venoms.

You already know the combo is coming when you see the CnD animation, along with the venoms the thief has.

I have smacked Necros for 25k+ plus with a 100b+ eviserate combo, necros must love running no toughness builds and the rifle if you start with frenzy>killshot and follow up with volley will kill you pretty quickly,

Never in my time playing in Spvp/Tpvp with the backstab build have I seen a 9k hit with heartseeker… infact I have never seen such in wvw with 114% crit damage.

Aratoa.7398:

StugLyfe.2134:

This damage, all in 2 seconds, should not be possible with my stats PERIOD no matter what you say.

That’s 18,804 damage in 2 seconds, yea this class/build is fine lol

A warrior gunned down all 16 thousand of my health in about 2 seconds, somehow I refrained from rushing to the Warriors board to complain about how unfair it is that I died! You should try and exercise the same kind of restraint and maybe take accountability for losing. You’re a glass cannon guardian dying to glass cannon thief, just because you died doesn’t make it unfair.

If a warrior specs for it and goes full berzerker just kill shot can hit more then 16k in wvw and besides the cast time its instant, at least with the thief you have a chance to react if they sneak up on you.

QSpec.4298:

Because we are all stacking armor and vitality because there are 50% thieves in every sPvP match.

Are we playing the same game? Every game I have played in the hotjoin spvp has had more warriors then thieves every since the 15th’s patch

StugLyfe.2134:

This class IMO need either a big damage reduction or a 50% Initiative regen increase or add GCD to many of thier skills that they chain togethor for 20k insta gibs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PgL1Gwgc_8

this video makes the class look super OP and no class should be auto attacking for 3k hits.

Warriors can wreck things pretty badly also and they have a PBAOE…. and in some cases do not need armour to kill level 80’s…. or traits for that matter…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR8jjDlM4rs

From about 12:10 you see the warrior killing things 1v1 without the usage of armor or traits (both of them are over-rated anyways, eh?)

It depends on the skill of your opponents and in the thief video there was a lot of synergy in that team.

Edelweiss.9815:

1. Revealed needs to be increased to 5 seconds. The stealth spam is still a problem, it’s too easy for the Thief to disengage and keep up insane pressure through Stealth skills. Sneak Attack (Pistol Stealth skill) and Tactical Strike (Sword Stealth skill) need to be buffed accordingly to make up for the lost damage. This change alone will also adjust the insane trait defense that come through Stealth, like Condition removal every 3 seconds, health regeneration and AoE Blind spam.

2. Trick Shot’s damage needs to be nerfed slightly. Thief has way too much AoE damage that he can apply way too easily.

3. Flanking Strike needs be changed for greater functionality.

4. Traps could use a little buff in functionality as well, and a buff to overall power. E.g. buff Corrosive Traps, it’s not really worth it right now.

5. Skale Venom and Ice Drake Venom could use a buff.

6. Shadow Refuge needs a nerf of some sort. It’s pretty much mandatory for PvP in its current state.

7. Signet of Shadows active needs a buff. It’s clearly intended to be left on the bar and never used, but why is it a Signet then?

I agree with revealed, but make the 5 seconds for pvp only and keep pve with 3 seconds.

katniss.6735:

Why are you spamming to try and justify doing that much damage? I’m not glass cannon. I’m in full toughness/vitality gear. My runes have toughness on them. My weapon has toughness on it. Elementalist’s wear light armor. We do not get 2600 armor. No one should be hitting me in my gear for 7kx2 followed by 9k+ in the span of 3s. It’s flat out broken. Period.

Again I repeat…. WVW offers 114% crit damage, its not the class that is broken. Also please refrain from twisting the facts, your screenshot showed 2,288 armour which makes me doubt you were full toughness. If you would be so kind to show your gear?

I hope Anet fixes this pronto, this is very serious.

katniss.6735:

I don’t think I need to do a write up. The screenshot pretty much sums up the thief class and how OP they are:

As its been said before, balancing will not be done due to wvw, and last time I checked a full zerker warrior will wreck you even worse with kill shot, the fact that wvw uses pve gear that can attain values of 104% percent crit damage and along with food you can boost it up to 114%, so anything that hits high will hit like a truck, its not uncommon for killshot for kill shot shot in wvw to level 80’s and with kill shot if they are not paying attention its 1 hit, the famous backstab combo gives you sometime to react.

People are complaining about the thieves “insane burst” when it is not even the highest in the game.

Overmind.3705:

To Thief players…
Name one other profession that can kill a player in under 2 seconds.

Certain thief skills may need buffing/reworking but that doesn’t negate the fact that there is an overpower problem where thieves are concerned.

Quite a few can kill glass cannons rather quickly and less then 2 seconds

Warriors have a higher burst then thieves, and as many people have said P/D is very good but mostly in hot join.

interferenz.8739:

Rifle – warrior 16k? Never, thats simply not true.
And even if it would be – you know the charge-time for that skill, and the animation? What should be hard to avoid this shot?

And please … stop that “pay attention” .. you can only pay attention to things you see. You cant pay attention to a stealthy thief Oo

I know the long animation, but you wouldnt believe the people who take the damage head on, many people also fail at dodging it so its effective in hot join, plus last time I checked thieves cant pull stealth out of their kitten too many people also take a combo 100b+evicerate head on, its like hot join is full of people who don’t have stun breakers or conveniently just leave them.

Are we playing the same guild wars? Everytime I hot join for the 8v8 I see 4-6 warriors and 1-2 thieves, in fact I have had many thieve-less games, OP you complain about backstab but a rifle warrior would easily crit you for 15k+ damage (I have reached 16k yes from one hit and volley also gives big numbers on glassy targets) you just have to pay attention.

If anything I would say mesmers are ruining the balance of tpvp

I agree that Dancing Dagger now is useless, 4 init for junk :/

BurrTheKing.8571:

Honestly, as a warrior the only real annoying problem was stealth rendering to slow. They still should of added getting hit removing stealth. A BS I can live through, it’s the whole spike as a whole that’s the problem and perhaps the CnD nerf makes it less insane. I’d like to see thieves be more like assassins in GW1 where you could run a spike but chances are you needed the target to be hurt already to kill.

I do agree with the idea of not making thieves worthless but I do want to see the game as a whole move away from spike and more into DPS.

Were we playing the same GW1? I could burst people in 3 seconds from 100-0(There were no stunbreakers so anything was pretty helpless once I started) as a Sin with Backbreaker and with my fav, the flashing blades build I could upkeep 75% blocking permanently and when I did the chain it was a guaranteed a kill

I do agree that stealth needs looking, and quickly also, the rendering is aweful