Guild Wars 2

Drayos.8759:

Hachiman.2470:

Rev has received the biggest nerfs, up there with ele. I’d say at this point though ele has got shafted from being a must to now being thrown completely out. Rev was mostly in meta for condi mallyx which is hard countered and basically useless because of reaper.

Power shiro, while still good, is probably on the same level as guardian dps or thief at this point. Engi did not really get nerfed since cele is not the main trinket used. You keep referring to the nerf because of removal of cele ammy but marauders was still heavily used.

I don’t think rev has been deleted from meta but the condi rev very well has been. I expect zerker power shiro to take the place of condi rev as I’m sure most everyone else does as well.

the issue is ur not reading Past the patch notes.

Dragonhunter was buffed, but they didn’t see the buff, they havnt gotten any better, neither as base guardian, they are just as Bad and Just as far from meta as they were in Season 1.

Warriors was buffed but they didn’t see the buff, they’re sustains gotten worse if anything so they are Just as Trash tier as they were in Season 1, it hasn’t made a difference.

Mesmer just dropped into Trash tier with the nerfs Most people are saying they’re even worse then Warriors and that’s saying something

Elementalist Deleted from the game, lets not even talk about those.

DPS Ranger is being used more then druid now so I assume the Druid changes and Cele Amulet removal as pushed it maybe below DPS Ranger in what the current meta is forming into.

So the viable options of this game are

Ranger, Thief, Revenant, Scrapper and Reaper, I’m sorry but ur in the top 5 Proffessions, u cant Realistically complain at all, big nerfs but it hasn’t pushed u out of top 5 proffessions, and that’s if Herald is the WORST of that selection, so at worse ur the top 5 proffessions in the game currently… that’s the ABSOLUTE worse that u can drop to for the Next meta.. and Ur complaining?

Wot?

The sword nerf was uncalled for, oh well Necro here I come! (Jks Ill still play my rev, but necro now…. really? )

XxsdgxX.8109:

LOL, kittening told you guys. 100% nerfs

You were right… they kittened up

Hexalot.8194:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/profession-balance-goals-for-the-winter-2016-update/

Now that the revenant is out in the wild, we’ve been taking a hard look at it. The general goal for this profession is focused specialization through a variety of trait and legend choices. We’ll be continuing this in the future by assuring that each legend and core/elite specialization fulfills their respective roles. In this iteration, we’ll be looking to tone down the revenant’s sword damage in some areas and adjust the weapon’s abilities so that it’s less focused on autoattacking and better at singling out and attacking enemies. We’re also keeping a close eye on the revenant’s defensive capabilities.

What is this, you say ???

No changes to Hammer #2 ?

Oh the tears… they burn !!

LOL…

Nerfing the autoattack on sword? Wut.

To use Staff, do not use the second skill, or seldom use it. Autoattack is decent, staff 3 is a nice block, staff 4 is one of our few condi clears and staff 5 is a godlike skill, it rips stab like no tomorrow and is an evade great to use on a downed enemy which has a person reviving that is not invulnerable.

Hammer on the otherhand is slow, its skill 2 does not hit hard enough in pvp situations, as people tend to close in and that negates a rather large chunk of its damage, skill 3 is good for its evade, skill 4 is kinda useless due to the amount of projectiles being near 0 and skill 5 is to slow and very very nicely telegraphed.

not as good as Condi, or as good as a scrapper, or really anything but it works. Also keep hammer out of PvP cuz its bad.

Hard counter, Condis, its how the class works.

EvilSardine.9635:

I agree with Sunreva, actually. For a class that is summoning the mists as power it’s not hitting hard enough.

I’m usually getting 4-5k auto attacks on my full zerker revenant and it pretty much kills most classes in 3 hits but I’d like to see it do it in maybe 2 hits. Hammer 2 is only hitting for 10k on heavy armor and 18k on light armor but if it maybe had no cool down then it would be awesome as I think 2 seconds makes the skill hard to land.

Or you could role Longbow Ranger and 1 shot people with longbow 1 from 1500 range and at least it pierces, 18k pa-leaseeee I can go more brah? Pls buff Ranger or go Gunflame zerker and unleash a nice 22k Piercing attack on ranged, good cool down too!
Hammer 2 18k with a 50% trait? dammmn son pls nerf, pls It might be obvious seeing the red thingies walking to me at a slow pace, BUT I WONT DODGE, pls Colin Johnson nerf it, I pray evritime. hammar OP close range, hammer op long range, and now too stronk mid range. I cannot beat, all is vain.
#Ikansarcasmstoo
#Nerfrevcuzimbad

Honestly though if anything, it is the trait that needs to be looked at, there are much harder hitting things that are better then hammer 2 in the things they do.

So some guy trying to justify his class isnt OP? K.

Sheobix.8796:

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

Sheobix.8796:

Necro is in no way OP or UP. imo they’re in a good spot. They can compete in the meta, but in no way do they lead it like DS ele, bunk mes, and mallyx condi rev.

When you’re fighting a condi necro, they HAVE to go full on condi build. That mean’s they’re running 2+ sigs, scepter/x + staff, and they WILL be using reaper shroud to apply poison and burning. It’s gonna happen.

But that’s it. Same goes for power necros, they have very hard counters. You can drop a pile of condis on a power necro and watch it melt.

What you’re asking is for a class that was DESIGNED TO BE THE ATTRITION CLASS to be nerfed so that you can continue to faceroll without having to watch condition control?

seriously?

rev vs. necro 1v1 comes down to the better player. Who knows when to pop/drop their key utilities before the other.

every single fight against a rev I’ve done..

spam, spam, triple dodge stab, shiro spam, gets me really low from the DPS.
I drop into shroud. Get the interrupt in, put down the poison to pressure them.

They will either cleanse or convert to boons/heal. phase 2 of fight begins.

Drop down all the marks to spike the rev. Get that LF back up, get back into shroud 50%. Put down a scythe, try to interrupt for space and timing, they will most likely waste more dodges from the scythe.

Get them low, they don’t have heal up, they don’t have endurance up, so they pop the regen block.

I HAVE TO INTERRUPT WITH WARHORN. 90% of the time, you’ve got that 1 stack of stab and that’s my only chance of winning the fight is kok blocking the shield block.

Want to win vs. a necro? simply outlast it. Kite it. evade smart. don’t let it freaking touch you with spiral. wait for the necro to waste plague sig, it’s super obvious. It goes over their head and under their HP bar on the screen.

Then you waste them. full pressure, balls to the wall. We don’t have active mitigation. You just have to spank us.

this thread is a L2P issue

This is a L2P issue? Really? I’ve been playing the wrong class. kitten. I never knew we had Boon converts or a godlike conversion. Mallyx Condi rev? hmmm let us see this build. Nope, nope…. still nope. Alrighty we have found a cleanse! Riposting Shadows! (It removes that OP Chill, That Kinda acts like the old Dhuumfire which got toned down that was kinda… Strong) but it costs 35 energy.

You should really know a class before you go on to post. Rev vs Necro should Always end up with 100%-0% to the Necro if both players have the same skill level and what not, even moreso if it is a condi rev and you have 2 Transfers up (plague, staff 4) which makes the necro naturally strong versus ANY condi class, Versus a Power rev? Dear Lord help the rev he will melt, the Moment a necro gets any form of Chill on the power rev, he knows he has kittened up.

This is not a L2P issue, if a necro has problems with a rev, the necro is just bad. Regardless if the reaper is OP or not (I do not think it is) is besides this thread anyways.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Empowering_Misery

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pain_Absorption

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Demonic_Defiance

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Riposting_Shadows

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pulsating_Pestilence

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Eluding_Nullification

I’m sorry, what was that now? Yes. L2P.

Look, most of the classes and their builds are somewhat counters to themselves. If you want to say that power rev should 100% always beat condi necro regardless of skill, that’s stupid. power necro can’t even hold a candle to power rev, so you want it so necro 100% of the time can’t compete vs. a rev? Really?

L2P. There are Revs out there that can destroy reaper completely. Stop letting them touch you. I’m not joking. I’m telling you how to beat us. we have 1 mobility skill which has a long cooldown. once it happens, double dodge and walk in a circle.

Right, I get it your bad then? What did you link, let us see!

Empowering_Misery

NICE! A Healing skill that does not actually REMOVE condis, my POINT still stands.

Pain Absorption

Ahh yes, the only reliable source of resistance for the rev now, pity you can’t keep it up
and it requires you to use both 35 energy and have friendlies with condi near you for more duration, BUT I have alreadly mentioned it to YOU in the previous post

Demonic Defiance

Ahh yes, this trait has been nerfed! It has a 5icd and during the resistance downtime, any AVERAGE reaper, note carefully I say Average as the current reaper build does not take any skill, to figuratively kitten on the revenant.

Riposting Shadows

I mentioned this trait, are you illiterate or trolling at this point?

Pulsating Pestilence

Ok, now you are definatlly trolling, this trait is useless, maybe you thought it meant transfer? Which if yes refer to my previous point and the condis transfered last 3 seconds, and the necro can just use a staff 4 or plague sig for double the fun on the rev!

Eluding Nullification (SALVATION)

You just linked me a Trait line that no one uses…. Really?

Ok, my final conclusion is you are trolling. You could of linked Facet of light and said that was a convert, was kinda expected that after seeing this.

No way will a condi nec lose to either a POWER rev or a CONDI rev, that is what my post meant, but clearly you did not read it or cannot read for the sake of you. I will reiterate the first sentence again in this paragraph, a CONDI NECRO, will NEVER lose to a POWER REV or a CONDI REV is the SKILL level among the players is EQUAL.
Now if the necro is bad, he most likely will still WIN, but then the rev has SOME chance, albeit little, so yes, this is a learn to play issue, but clearly from your side.

However, I must admit you made me smile when I saw your post about the hammer 2, a skill(or even a weapon) no Power revenant uses in pvp, thank you for making my day ;D

And calling someone “Nerd” on the forums when you are the one linking skills and trying to defend the reaper(and taking the time)? Really kid? LEL. M8 u r ir8 nice b8 arguing on a kittening forum. I feel sorry for Burtnik that he has to read that, he might of even lost a few braincells, I know I did. And while Burtnik most likely can’t beat them, you utilizing your logic can’t beat them also and are just bad. (see the problem with what you said?) But you are just bad.

PEACE <3

Sheobix.8796:

Necro is in no way OP or UP. imo they’re in a good spot. They can compete in the meta, but in no way do they lead it like DS ele, bunk mes, and mallyx condi rev.

When you’re fighting a condi necro, they HAVE to go full on condi build. That mean’s they’re running 2+ sigs, scepter/x + staff, and they WILL be using reaper shroud to apply poison and burning. It’s gonna happen.

But that’s it. Same goes for power necros, they have very hard counters. You can drop a pile of condis on a power necro and watch it melt.

What you’re asking is for a class that was DESIGNED TO BE THE ATTRITION CLASS to be nerfed so that you can continue to faceroll without having to watch condition control?

seriously?

rev vs. necro 1v1 comes down to the better player. Who knows when to pop/drop their key utilities before the other.

every single fight against a rev I’ve done..

spam, spam, triple dodge stab, shiro spam, gets me really low from the DPS.
I drop into shroud. Get the interrupt in, put down the poison to pressure them.

They will either cleanse or convert to boons/heal. phase 2 of fight begins.

Drop down all the marks to spike the rev. Get that LF back up, get back into shroud 50%. Put down a scythe, try to interrupt for space and timing, they will most likely waste more dodges from the scythe.

Get them low, they don’t have heal up, they don’t have endurance up, so they pop the regen block.

I HAVE TO INTERRUPT WITH WARHORN. 90% of the time, you’ve got that 1 stack of stab and that’s my only chance of winning the fight is kok blocking the shield block.

Want to win vs. a necro? simply outlast it. Kite it. evade smart. don’t let it freaking touch you with spiral. wait for the necro to waste plague sig, it’s super obvious. It goes over their head and under their HP bar on the screen.

Then you waste them. full pressure, balls to the wall. We don’t have active mitigation. You just have to spank us.

this thread is a L2P issue

This is a L2P issue? Really? I’ve been playing the wrong class. kitten. I never knew we had Boon converts or a godlike conversion. Mallyx Condi rev? hmmm let us see this build. Nope, nope…. still nope. Alrighty we have found a cleanse! Riposting Shadows! (It removes that OP Chill, That Kinda acts like the old Dhuumfire which got toned down that was kinda… Strong) but it costs 35 energy.

You should really know a class before you go on to post. Rev vs Necro should Always end up with 100%-0% to the Necro if both players have the same skill level and what not, even moreso if it is a condi rev and you have 2 Transfers up (plague, staff 4) which makes the necro naturally strong versus ANY condi class, Versus a Power rev? Dear Lord help the rev he will melt, the Moment a necro gets any form of Chill on the power rev, he knows he has kittened up.

This is not a L2P issue, if a necro has problems with a rev, the necro is just bad. Regardless if the reaper is OP or not (I do not think it is) is besides this thread anyways.

Oh, poor Samo…

What do people learn at school, this maths discussion? a Revenant runs full Zerk, ok good, to me that is as good as saying that is free food, that is free food.

Fact is, 90% of people present opinions on the internet as facts. and that it usually is true. You state that “It’s a perfect skill to stack with a couple of more Revs and just fire away towards the enemy blob” Stack a couple of revs? Oki, I’ll stack 20 Zerk Guardians and make them spam staff 1 and “It’s a perfect skill to stack with a couple of more Guardians and just fire away towards the enemy blob” See your logic? Flawed at best.

You say people can’t “full zerk is what Revs in WvW raids run and please stop with the “dodge” and “sidestep” arguments already”? And go on to say “true shot cannot be stacked as efficiently as CoR can” Oh my…. you know it can actually Track people going left or right and its projectile is faster then CoR? “Fact” is the DH does not need true shot, make 2 throw traps on of each other and just laugh, something that gives you no time to react and will down you, “Fact” is you can use Gunflame to absolutely rek things without them having too much reaction to it. CoR is a slow skill in terms of the time it takes to reach its target for the third inpulse but which time if you see a skill with big red markings and you haven’t dodged, “fact is” either you are bad, or bad, or very bad.

Anyways back to “true shot cannot be stacked as efficiently as CoR can”, I need that Jackie Chan wtf meme here, What do you mean? Efficient? Has my English failed me? I have no clue what makes a skill able to be efficiently stacked. Well anyways I will try answer that to the best of my ability, 5 zerk Rangers, One runs Frost Spirit, you put the trait for extra range, they can run Druid for the damage, Congratz you now have 5 rangers capable of 1 shotting a few backliners with your Longbow Auto-Attack, OP? Hardly.

Furthermore, You come screaming into the forum suggesting to nerf it but add absolutely nothing to discussion, no way to fix this “broken” skill and only present fantasy cases where clearly, this is a serious “Learn-to-play” issue;

*Pressure the Rev, hell it is only beserk this is quite easy, do not let it keep spamming hammer 2, you are not the ducks’ from duck hunt ya know
*Hit him with CC

• Walk to the Left or Right when you see him going for a hammer 2 (Yes it is that easy at 1200 range!)
• Throw Condi on the Rev, Revs love condi.

And for the sake of argument, do not present “opinions” and state them as “facts”

Thank you and have a good Wintersday.

BUGANENT IS LESS BUGGY, but still Buggy

THANK YOU

nicknamenick.2437:

We need some more sustain and some love/Quality changes
Btw i only talk about the core warrior and not the elite

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TRAITS
I will give most traitlines a minor sustain buff (defense more because its defense ofc)
-Building momentum, From 15 to 25 endurance
-Vigorous shouts, from 1000 to 1350 health
-Thick skin, tresshold from 90% to 50% and buff the toughness from 120 to 220
-Adrenal health, increase its hps by 20%
-Spiked armor, incease retal from 5 to 7 seconds
-Brawlers recovery, removes 1 condition and gives 1 second resistance (swap for a nice burst with blind on anyone? :-)

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UTILITIES
>>STANCES<<
-Blanced stance : from 40 to 35 sec
-Endure pain: from 60 to 50 sec (defy pain stays 60)
-Frenzy: from 60 to 50 sec
-Berserker stance: from 60 to 50 sec

>>PHYSICAL<<
Some stunbreak/short stability so you can drop a stance for 1 physical skill:
-kick: is now a stunbreaker + 1sec stability
-Bolas: now also gives 2 sec slow
-Bulls: adds 2 sec stability (no stunbreak)
-Stomp: increase dmg by 50%

>>BANNERS<<
Banner are more PVE stuff, make them mobile so we can enjoy them, its frustrating right now to pick it up everytime.

>>SHOUTS<<
I already buffed the trait healing part, with this and ofc the other sustain buffs i would not do anymore buffs to shouts for now

>>SIGNETS<<
With the other sustain buffs i would not yet buff these, i am also not sure how to.

>>HEALING<<
Overall with the sustain buffs i think HS/Adrenal health is fine except:
-Mending: increase health by 15% and 3 condi removes (maby make it physical? no?)
-Defiant stance: increase initial heal by 50% and from 3 to 4 sec active

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WEAPON SKILLS
Now i am not going to talk about all weaponskills, i also mentioned that we need more sustain and quality changes, now thats done there is 1 thing that can be done for warrior and thats reducing some aftercast on some weaponskills.

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Thats it guys, i know some want more or maby some think this is insane.. but this would give pretty much all core warrior builds a sustain buff that we really need, see from there how it goes.
I know Anet does not read this, but who knows right? Hope for the best in January!

Cya guys!

Some great ideas here, I personally think Thick Skin should be something more like 200 toughness with a threshold of 75%, with immunity towards, Bleed, Burning, Poison (?) and Chill, Endure pain and Frenzy towards 45 seconds.

The adrenal health idea from the user above is also very good.

All in all these changes would not make the warrior OP and would bring the class a fresh breathe of life, nice work OP!

nicknamenick.2437:

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

Oh good lord a clerics on a staff build and a comparison that Hammer 2 does more damage than 100b? Good bye Phalanx warrior and hello Rev, I hope this is a troll post, I really do.

Look at the cooldowns on 100b and Hammer 2..
Hammer 2 has more targets and insanely shorter cooldown.
In the time you can do 2x 100b you can do also 10x Hammer 2 to even more targets without any risk on range, now tell me why you think its a troll post.

Misguided.5139:

100blades has absolutely zero to do with this skill. Your “point” has no point. You might as well complain about fire overload instead.

Could not have said it better myself.

Oh good lord a clerics on a staff build and a comparison that Hammer 2 does more damage than 100b? Good bye Phalanx warrior and hello Rev, I hope this is a troll post, I really do.

Anyways to the more important side, hammer 2 was a skill that really didn’t offer much counter-play for zergs but now with this limit there are advantages of throwing your usually tanky meleetrain on top of a rev to negate the 3rd and second Shockwave, most daredevils if given the space, not this tiny arena BS that we have right now but something along the size of OS in a 20v20 situation will quite figuratively, pardon my french, kitten on a revenant if they run a spec like that, I think it is imperative that we first we see what these changes bring about before we nerf a weapon on a class that cannot handle conditions and who utilises its utilities at the expense of its offensive prowess.

I mean no disrespect, however you seem very bias and that build almost tells me that you do not play the revenant or have some fantasy view of it, killing something with 15k with that much toughness before someone can react is not that hard and comparing a revenant to a glass ele or Necro without implying what you mean is like comparing an apple and an orange and saying the orange is OP because it tastes like an orange, I have no idea what you mean, but a glass ele with Auramancer and scepter/ focus will also have a lot of survivability and sustain, and it is for 5 people and can do some rather stupid things.

Let us see what these changes do first.

Agreed with the hammer 2, sword 2 being a pull is rather interesting but it would need a damage nerf, shield 4 as a cleanse is good, Shield 5, no dont touch that. Too many people calling it OP… are you guys bad or something? Shield 5 is only good in niche situations, just set up your burst when it ends and ded rev, or go unblockable and smash its face in, it already is balanceed. The facets… a larger reveal is ok, I think the elite facet should cure conditions not the energy,

Your idea of the avatar is one I like a lot, as someone who played Dervish in GW1 I loved the avatars a lot and that would be a massive nerf to the mallyx build, why? As you can toggle the elite rather easily and it grants resistance. However most of the suggestions are borderline OP or straight out OP

Would not all skills go on CD if you were stunned? afaik you are not stunned

Because rev is not as high in dps as a berserker, or quite a few classs for that matter of fact, Engineer, Ele more skill,? Warrior? in PvE. Kappa.We trolling in this thread?You can’t be serious, I haven’t seen anything hard in PvE. Honestly if you have gears and guides it won’t take any time to realize a classes potential in PvE

The Siphon should scale with power, at least for me I think it should.

Mr Kitten.7359:

i created every warrior build in existence and i am the best warrior in real life and in gw2.

i said it in this forum so it must be true

I can confirm that you are, my sig says it, so it must be true, Mr Kitten.7359 is the best warrior in the scene, and I am second, albeit I do not play warrior, or play in NA for that fact but my sig states overwise.

To the OP:
You base your no.1 title on words that carry out uncertainty that sound like you did not consistently beat the other “top” warriors or convincingly enough to call yourself top warrior, beating anyone is hardly a fair test to even state you are anywhere near the best. Now I personally don’t know who you are, but from the Warrior forums you have some good ideas in builds, loved the Torch build and I have a great deal of respect towards you, but this does not give you claim that you have created those builds, I have seen shoutbows being used even in 2013 which is before your Feb 2014 claim, but regardless and on a final note, a King does not state that he is the King, people know that already.

p.s Anet mods’ should have closed this forum.

Burtnik.5218:

Then you never played against decent opponent. Both scrapper and chrono should survive condi just fine if they are build properly. They may not beat you but you wont beat them either. Properly played daredevil will burst you 100-0 the moment you swap to Mallyx and it is a well know fact. PS..which thief trying to facetank stuff by standing in melee range? lol

Power rev looks so scary yet ppl started using Mallyx due to resistance spamming as uunder condi pressure they all went poof. That one is interesing kitten

This. Scrapper and Chrono should SHREK a condi rev but the condi revs’ access to resistant makes it strong against the other classes in the meta. The problem with the power ref is the condi meta and it won’t survive, sword 3 too buggy, Staff 2 needs more damage (if you use staff) Shiro heal siphon should scale with POWER and not healing power, but the class is in a nice position anyways.

how to become the best rev? Reroll to druid or tempest. but in all seriousness use the metabattle one. The Metabattle one. Use the pain absorbtion skill to combat condis and spam all your condi attacks, you should be fine

DanAlcedo.3281:

Burtnik.5218:

DanAlcedo.3281:

Burtnik.5218:

DanAlcedo.3281:

Soo…
The skill that REALLY! needs a nerf ( in wvw)
gets a Bug Fix what is in reality a buff?

wow gg anet

I could write a book about what need to be nerfed for wvw ya know? This game is not and will never be balanced around wvw. If you arent happy with that you can always quit and give me stuff ;o

Öhhh… what? there are thing that are good , things that are very good and there are thing that are op beyond good and evil .

Revenant Hammer 2 is exactly this in wvw. 14k aoe dmg on 1200 range with 2 sec cd on an melee warrior? even with a 20 sec cd this skill would be to good Oo

Then focus revenant and he will drop in a second? If hammer 2 so op why not everyone playing with revs yet? Why wvw is not full of revs really? Hammer does what it is supposed to do, punish those that are far away trying to kite. Maybe its time to stop range and actually go melee? Your choice really. Some peeps are too used to pirate meta.. pewpew pewpew. Well no more.

First of all i mean zerg fights not roaming just to make thing clear.

1) Focus the revenant.
How? He is 1200 Range away spamming his 22222 all day and he is not alone.

2)This is a good question…
At this moment at my server people started to change nekro for revenant because of the outdmg.
Also you need the Herald to be “effektiv” many player dont wnat to farm heropoints and some more reasons.
Also most people i know thought this would be nerfed anyway so why getting a rev.

3)Punish those that are far away
So? How should a Melee get even close ? We have the problem that the enemy plays pirate ship meta.
Our melees get on 1200 range and cant get a bit closer. Melee Guards get sometimes oneshotted….
It makes the Pirate Ship meta even stronger. Why play melee if you cant get even close to the enemy and you get 12-13-14k aoe´s in the face and this with 3300 def.

Arenanet will never. NEVER balance through wvw, and I have yet to crit more than 6-7k on a guard and thats with the 50% trait running near to full zerk, are you are running 3300 def? Also as a side note 3300 def is just bad, as a guard you should be looking towards 2.9k-3k without strength in numbers.

Legiion.7385:

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

Azure.8670:

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

Lol, we won’t get nerfed, that much is obvious, sadly we are not the most OP and unable to counter a rev? Pretty much every class can counter a rev easily, thing is we punish and excel on the mistakes of people, not anywhere else really.

You’re def joking right

Nope. I highly doubt it would tantamount to anything, the only thing I expect is a hammer 2 rework. Unless they plan on nerfing a few classes.

Ok ok ur Joking XD
Ive played since HoT Release Rev in PvP and its a bit too strong, the only thing that can counter a Rev easy is a condiclass

I’m not. I sincerly hope you are joking, there are a few more counters to a rev then just simple condi.

Israel.7056:

Cayenne.5341:

i can not understand how the revenant community is suggesting nerfs to themselves that seems stupid and masochistic.
Since HoT I have mostly played several classes in pvp. Almost all classes feel in a good spot right now (maybe with exception of thieves?). Revenants are certainly not the class that make me the most nervous in a pvp match. CC, Conditions and especially boon corruption rip them apart easily.
If any changes do come, I hope they do not destroy mechanics or whole weapons – mechanics of energy management are fun and weapons? we don’t have many of them.

Yeah I’m surprised people arent as upset about reapers or scrappers or even tempest eles.

Go to HoTM, People are more upset about reapers and tempests and dragonhunters, scrappers? Not so much.

Heimdallr.7021:

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

Heimdallr.7021:

I’m not so sure we will see a balance patch today.

With the “Pro” League? Probably not, no.

They also said a balance patch would have come 2 weeks before every pvp league.
Here we are, on pvp league day, with no balance (patch) whatsoever.

They did, didn’t they? Well it is Anet… Well heres to a tool-tip fix anyways.

Dahkeus.8243:

xbutcherx.3861:

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

Warrior is horrid in PvP, but it is in better spot than Rev in PvE… I really think the core needs some buffs to make it again viable as right now it is not, in terms of 1v1 it is doing good…. but in team fights and general spvp… Anet halp

Sorry did you just said that Warrior is in better spot in PvE than revenant? Please explain how you came up with that conclusion?

• Best might stacking in the game
• Unique buffs from banners
• Has a top end power and condi build.

In a raid, you’ll never want more than 2 heralds since the boons are just redundant after that and revenants don’t have any non-boon focused dps build that’s worth using. However, you can easily run 2 PS warriors plus some condi warriors in an ideal raid comp.

^This. The Warrior outclasses the rev in terms of DPS, heck ideally for dungeons I would not run a Rev for a speedclear anyways

Heimdallr.7021:

I’m not so sure we will see a balance patch today.

With the “Pro” League? Probably not, no.

Azure.8670:

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

Lol, we won’t get nerfed, that much is obvious, sadly we are not the most OP and unable to counter a rev? Pretty much every class can counter a rev easily, thing is we punish and excel on the mistakes of people, not anywhere else really.

You’re def joking right

Nope. I highly doubt it would tantamount to anything, the only thing I expect is a hammer 2 rework. Unless they plan on nerfing a few classes.

Wait what, Shiro is OP now?

the DH complaining makes my day xD

Warrior is horrid in PvP, but it is in better spot than Rev in PvE… I really think the core needs some buffs to make it again viable as right now it is not, in terms of 1v1 it is doing good…. but in team fights and general spvp… Anet halp

For me the warrior is still easier and more rewarding with less risk in PvE, that 100b DPS and as long as both have 25 stacks of might Rev DPS is still not the highest. Hell if I wanted to speedclear Dungoens for the fastest time ever, Revenant would not be a class I would use

Lol, we won’t get nerfed, that much is obvious, sadly we are not the most OP and unable to counter a rev? Pretty much every class can counter a rev easily, thing is we punish and excel on the mistakes of people, not anywhere else really.

No Pulse.2967:

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

No Pulse.2967:

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

What are people exactly complaining about? Anet does its balancing over both PvE and PvP and has stated, let me repear this once more, balance will never be around WVW and I can’t see the hammer 2 being a problem in any of the situations? In terms of RAW dps it is not even the highest of the range weapons? Heck you don’t even need to use a dodge on it if you are in the 1200 range and if you are smart enough you probably would of realised the weapon is useless at close range if you don’t have the range? reduce the damage if you want, but then make it track people or make the skill faster as it moves to people.

Tl;dr Skill is balanced

So you don’t really see a problem with hitting someone twice with hammer 2? Totally balanced right?

What the devil are you on about? Do you read? On this very 3rd page I stated that the ability to double hit is clearly broken and warrants a fix but the skill is balanced.

Got me there, I’m not actually paying attention to names or reading previous posts. Just saw you stating “I can’t see the hammer 2 being a problem in any of the situations?”- my apologies.

No worries^^, but agreed that the ability to hit twice is just way, way too broken.

No Pulse.2967:

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

What are people exactly complaining about? Anet does its balancing over both PvE and PvP and has stated, let me repear this once more, balance will never be around WVW and I can’t see the hammer 2 being a problem in any of the situations? In terms of RAW dps it is not even the highest of the range weapons? Heck you don’t even need to use a dodge on it if you are in the 1200 range and if you are smart enough you probably would of realised the weapon is useless at close range if you don’t have the range? reduce the damage if you want, but then make it track people or make the skill faster as it moves to people.

Tl;dr Skill is balanced

So you don’t really see a problem with hitting someone twice with hammer 2? Totally balanced right?

What the devil are you on about? Do you read? On this very 3rd page I stated that the ability to double hit is clearly broken and warrants a fix but the skill is balanced.

The DH specialization is meant to be the most damaging spec imo, I am not a DH player and I will never pick up the dragonhunter, I honestly hate the concept, but the traps are not OP

What are people exactly complaining about? Anet does its balancing over both PvE and PvP and has stated, let me repear this once more, balance will never be around WVW and I can’t see the hammer 2 being a problem in any of the situations? In terms of RAW dps it is not even the highest of the range weapons? Heck you don’t even need to use a dodge on it if you are in the 1200 range and if you are smart enough you probably would of realised the weapon is useless at close range if you don’t have the range? reduce the damage if you want, but then make it track people or make the skill faster as it moves to people.

Tl;dr Skill is balanced

I’m more confused to how a reaper loses to a rev

No Pulse.2967:

I think the following changes would be good in order to balance CoR:

Introduce an ICD for multiple CoR hits on the same target. Right now, this feels more like a bug than an intended functionality. This way, you could still have good AoE damage without occasional one-shot gimmicks. While it can be fun to surprisingly one shot people, think about it this way: would you want to be on the receiving side of it?

Rework Cruel Repercussion. Make it give you a period of unblockable (2s?) when you hit someone blocking. This way it would synergize with every weapon instead of just hammer while keeping the theme of the trait. It would also make Revenant stronger against DH.

Leave the damage, cooldown, and energy cost as they are. With the changes stated above, the skill will be in a good state.

This, Sadly a nerf to the damage makes the Hammer a very unwanted weapon but the fact it can hit the same person twice makes it way too strong

Seklies.2186:

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

Seklies.2186:

Absconditus.6804:

Plenty of professions are capable of reaching 1 million damage dealt during a match. You would also have had to have been overall ignoring the objective and/or been lucky with enemies assaulting the same objective you find yourself at throughout the match (multiple of them for cleaves and AoE), in order to reach that overall damage. But yes, it’s not uncommon, and I’d say it’s pretty normal in GW2 sPvP. Not sure why you put a picture of your Dragonhunter in there btw.—or what you intend to achieve with the topic at all. Is this an attempt at bragging? Are you genuinely wondering if reaching 500k-1kk damage is normal? If so, what’s with all the screenshots?

I added all of the screenshots as general reference for everyone.
Ignore objectives? I obviously didn’t as you can see the score. Did they assault the same point? Not really, I wandered.
And that’s good, if most classes can crack 1,000,000 damage in a match then Reverant doesn’t need a slight nerf like I thought it did.

So thank you for clearing that up.

Aye it is very easy actually, but Revenant isnt even in what I would call the highest tier for PvP, that is reserved to the Auramancer and The Dragon hunter

I don’t know how I feel about DH yet, it’s a very calm playstyle. DH is extremely efficient if you arrive to a point first, however lacks utility once traps have been triggered. However that is my own opinion formulated directly from playing one. I wouldn’t give them top tier though. Auramancer though, I could agree with that.

Tis why we don’t use full traps on the DH, but use the medi build I would advise the metabattle one, but truth be told I haven’t found anything too OP, yes some classes are weaker vs others and stronger vs others. I have heard people screaming everything is OP in the Heart of the Mists, the Daredevil (like wtf how?), the Chrono, the Condi reaper, The Rev, The druid, the DH, The Berserker (another one that made me wtf) to give a few but you see the pattern? These are classes that we still know little to nothing compared to the others we have learnt for months or in the case of us who have played since the Start, years, heck even I was shouting how OP everything was at the start, losing againsts daredevils and not scoring a single hit the first time, but now I find them pretty easy to fight. Anyways regardless people are learning how to counter these classes a lot of it that comes down to it is your ability to understand the opponents class also, and as people begin to understand these classes they begin scoring victorys against them, the same holds true for the Rev.

Seklies.2186:

Absconditus.6804:

Plenty of professions are capable of reaching 1 million damage dealt during a match. You would also have had to have been overall ignoring the objective and/or been lucky with enemies assaulting the same objective you find yourself at throughout the match (multiple of them for cleaves and AoE), in order to reach that overall damage. But yes, it’s not uncommon, and I’d say it’s pretty normal in GW2 sPvP. Not sure why you put a picture of your Dragonhunter in there btw.—or what you intend to achieve with the topic at all. Is this an attempt at bragging? Are you genuinely wondering if reaching 500k-1kk damage is normal? If so, what’s with all the screenshots?

I added all of the screenshots as general reference for everyone.
Ignore objectives? I obviously didn’t as you can see the score. Did they assault the same point? Not really, I wandered.
And that’s good, if most classes can crack 1,000,000 damage in a match then Reverant doesn’t need a slight nerf like I thought it did.

So thank you for clearing that up.

Aye it is very easy actually, but Revenant isnt even in what I would call the highest tier for PvP, that is reserved to the Auramancer and The Dragon hunter

Cayenne.5341:

380ish iirc and I am pretty sure it has an icd just like the ghost ones with crit. They are very expensive to craft as well, i think like 6g if you buy things straight from the trading post. i was underwhelmed.

That would be the same as the ghost ones then, aye.

There is no icd?

I really think this is a learn to play issue more than anything.

Depends, I expect the skills to be fixed first and then the balancing starts being done, although I do remember anet stating only 2 devs do the balancing for all classes (Probably has increased now)

Hammer 2 you can walk out of…. not even dodge, just please do not make it double hit which makes the skill broken and it is pretty bad in PvP anyways, Sword/x Staff, team scores generally depend on the team one has, and the class that tags the most usually scores the highest, which is usually the necromancer, albeit I have hit the 400’s on my teef

Druid is at the moment as it provides some very nice burst heals, ventari sadly cannot compare to it at this time

Balancing the revenant based on low level PvE? To the poster above, I mained thief before and I remember that one shot build, I yet have to one shot wut the UA, unless I’m playing wrong, your arguement is flawed at that best. Most classes can one shot things with ease at low levels, Rangers can, you can still get 15k crits with longbow 1,1500 range (possibly more)in WvW, Pistolwhip, this is like me saying the Chrono is completely broken, no it is strong and brings a lot to the party and has great DPS but OP.

Elite specializations are meant to feel strong, Heck Druids have hit heals of 25 k on other people and there is a vid with a berserker dishing out some nasty DPS, Revs have thier sword auto attack for DPS, teefs have a nice spammable evade with a stun on it to boot and now with 3 dodges, Chronomancers good forbid! They can MOA, TWICE and have thier skills recharge so quick now, or god forbid the Dragon hunter and is godlike traps

Your only problem is that you are basing this off 1-80 and well elite specializations are meant to feel strong at what they do

However your argument does bring up some good points, but PvE in general is weak besides the more challenging content