Guild Wars 2

Vena.8436:

Lance.5892:

Not up to me how my fellow guildies are behaving. I haven’t done any trolling or joking around thus far. I’ve given thought out responses of my own opinion, and if you don’t like it, that’s fine with me.

I am not saying anything about your specific opinion, I’m talking about the kitten your guildies are doing which is very, very much impacting my opinion of your guild and, therein, my opinion in general. I’d be all for having a sensible debate (and I’ve been in this and other threads doing just that) but nonsense like that really ruins the mood and any desire I might have (and you’d better believe the dev’s too) of talking at all.

And patches like this remove my desire to take any of this seriously because even if this change is reverted the damage is done. Whoever is in charge of wvw as it stands doesnt actually know what they are doing.

I dont need to bully anybody into accepting my opinion, it concerns me not what some random pug like Miff thinks.

Counterplay? This is just delusional. Even if it were possible, I do not want to sit at my pc for 6 hours entertaining those following me as we all sit there and watch the 1 guy we have on siege charging shots so that we may or may not take down their siege, then repeat it in the hopes that we do it faster than the enemy rebuilding etc etc bla bla bla bla bla

PvP. Have you ever heard of it? Do you know what it is? There are like no wvw guilds that are interested in sitting here playing counter siege wars regardless of what you OR anet believes wvw is. (P.S sorry, your 5 man havoc squad is and was insignificant, regardless of what you may believe).

Im sorry, im not going to play some trash where we sit and fire trebuchets at each other and pretend like there is something tactical in that kitten. You are all deluded honestly. Well, I hope when wvw dies that the 20 players on the map really enjoy firing treb shots at each other.

Cyril.1486:

I cannot believe for the life of me there are people that actually defend this change. Come on wake up smell the coffee.

No you dont understand. You need to use advanced tactics. L2play.

Saint Scarlet.2906:

I notice the only ones complaining are people in the top 2 tiers or from them, they obviously haven’t learnt how to play the game and have always relied on overwhelming numbers to do anything.
All i can say is learn how to play the game as it was meant to be, not how you’ve chosen to do it for the last 9months which clearly has left you all floundering around without a clue.

My mind = blown.

I think you need to learn to play the game honestly. I genuinely dont think you have the first clue about wvw.

All I see in this thread, are a bunch of nobodies from random guilds saying ambiguous statements like “this is how its meant to be played” without substantiating anything they have to say about anything.

But please, share us with more insight, I am sure you have much to add.

Aneu.1748:

How does it make a zerg split up? When it takes LESS people to defend than it does to attack how do you really think smaller groups will be able to cap anything? I mean really…

No Aneu you dont understand, it splits the zerg up because now the zerg will divide into several smaller groups and man all the arrow carts as they wait for the enemy to come to them… the same enemy who will do the same thing in their structures.

Maybe next patch with 300 wexp, I can arrow cart the arrow carts in their keep from my keep.. you never know.

Hexin.5603:

goodness people, this is a major change, adjust or die like a dinosaur. I would hate to see how you guys manage companies in the real world. It requires a big change in how we roll. Of course people are uncomfortable.

At least, go have fun while it lasts.

Hahaha, I dont think you quite understand. It isnt us as players who will die like a dinosaur, its Guild Wars 2 WvW. At least your analogy was half right.

This will kill the game, if this isnt reverted within the week expect wvw to lose a substantial part of the good player base.

Enjoy.

ThomasKreshant.6572:

Empyre.2531:

There’s only 1 solution to nightcapping on 24/7 servers, worldwide servers.

Lag permitted this would be a great idea and something I’d love to see occur.

Well, I play from Canada to europe for both wvw and spvp and even in spvp all the twitch based gameplay is fine on whatever ping I seem to be getting. But it is impossible for Arenanet to rule in external factors such as european ISPs and their routing to different servers. Several individuals will crop out with specific lag issues and blame the game which is an issue in itself, ofc there are other things like gem stores being region based because they involve real money which extends to currencies and taxes.

But as far as wvw goes, you must remember we would have fairly high ques from such a merger. Unless the servers were paired up in a way that accounted specifically for wvw pop balance with in a timezone, but merging a t1 EU and t1 NA server would cause ques beyond belief.

I will also add that I agree with the propositions.

As has been mentioned maps are very small and having long sieges is not logical for a game like GW2. It made sense in Aion when taking forts of in warhammer when doing a zone lock then pushing for a fortress but it doesnt here as these objectives are incredibly accessible.

Also, even if we were to accept that sieges should be a long affair, you need to think of what a siege entails. If you want a keep to take an hour to capture, think of and suggest a way to make it a fun hour. I and many other players have no intention of ramming a gate for 1h while dropping water fields on ram users to counter arrow cart spam, that is in no way siegeing.

However if sieging meant fighting inside the enemy keep vs players for an hour then sure, I am sure many people could work with that.

This is also why fundamentally the gates should be easy to take down, but the actual capture of the keep needs to be harder, the capping mechanics needs a rework like Aneu stated and also needs to last longer than it currently does so that a battle over the capture does take place. The lord should be harder to kill but should not be rezzable in any way after the kill has occured, I would even rule out the regular player ressing because of the drawbacks.

I have managed to solo an entire keep, lord and everything, this is not something I like, it says to me there is a problem. You want a keep capture to be epic, then we need ways for it to be epic, other than simply taking a long period of time because time somehow denotes the epicness of an event.

Anyways /signed assuming a few tweaks here and there.

If placed at 30 points into discipline, this trait will be of no value to a warrior. Assuming on average you hit vs something with 4 boons, thats 12% damage. May as well go 25 in arma for 10% more damage to bleeding foes, as just about everything in wvw has bleed on it. That minor trait isnt labeled broken though, and I doubt this one will be either.

Had an excellent time commanding on desolation and working with a variety of different guilds many of which were former enemies before.

To everybody in T1, I wish you the best of luck. Perhaps one day we can all meet eye to eye as players and discuss what we want with the game, but do not expect Arenanet to do what we as players cannot.

/bow

Well I have yet to see a video of a solo keep capture, and if there is one, I doubt it is by an engineer so I figured why not. Enjoy.

Tallis.5607:

Don’t kill downed people, killing gives 0 WXP. Let other people do it.

Oh really….

Stealth.8150:

Jackie.1829:

Lol @ 20g.

but 20g was a precursor price back then so it was a lot of gold.

What precursor? The trident?

Unless this was in the first week of game launch, which I somehow doubt, then… lol @ 20g.

Lol @ 20g.

I have found this thread very entertaining.

Nachtz.4930:

When I was in Afghanistan, hopefully my commander was not like you ! “Hey guys, it’s war, we are here to fight, just rush and kill anything you can, TP Valley if you die”.

Yes I am comparing WvW with real life, but I think they have many things in common. And not fighting when you don’t have the advantage is one. I think you misunderstood the concept of WvW. What you’re talking is open PvP, which WvW is NOT.

If I extend your analogy, you claim wvw is like war, and yet.. war is not fun, so by comparison wvw as it is…. you guessed it.

Sorry, I play a game to fight other players because that is where the fun is at, not play makeshift war. War employs underhanded tactics because people want it to end, gaming is hardly something close to comparable.

Not fighting when you dont have the advantage is a good idea, your aim should then be to get the advantage. However, getting the advantage should not somehow involve capping everything while the enemy isnt even logged into the game.

But, whatever floats your boat.

From another thread:
“So, some guild on either Jade Quarry or Blackgate is DDOSing our community TS server. Not going to cry, point fingers, etc – Just going to say NOT COOL.”

Maybe someone is really bored and is just targeting the entire gw2 wvw community.

Sird.4536:

can the Deso guilds on VS BL right now not do things on their own? Nice blob you got running around

I was the only commander on the map, and frankly its getting stupid. Either they remove wexp or they divide it based on the number of people present. I asked several times for people to stop following me, for another commander to show up, I explained blobbing is redundant, but nobody cares.

Meh, I hope this resolves eventually.

Luffy.9365:

I read some comments about small scale pvp or group vs group and then comes up the tpvp or spvp. M8s……tpvp has nothing to do with small scale pvp or group pvp skills. When the object is not a 5v5 win match….then is called capture the point. In tpvp you dont see a group to try and kill the other , but a group to score more points from the others and to achieve that , you have to stay into a circle for longer than your opponents or until your m8s come. Sorry totaly different from my way of doing arranged group (death) fights in every mmorpg that i have been playing for more than 10 years. Lineage 2 9v9 , Aion (Dredgion) 6v6 etc…..Winner was last man standing . Dont get me wrong…… Ofc tpvp needs skill too , but its a totaly different thing than an organized group pvp match.

How do you capture a point without killing the players on it? If you dont even know that team fights are a big thing about spvp it already shows you know nothing about the game format.

Death matching is a LOT easier than fighting in a game that has an objective that needs to be accomplished. By your anology games like LoL are just about ganking and farming lanes and the players at the top dont require skill. Except…. those are the games with the best pvpers in the world and those are the pvp games which matter. Never have a death match game mode ever mattered in competitive gaming except in shooter games. Its because it is easy and lacks depth. Fact. Even the devs know this which is why, even in GW1 where there was a 4v4 death match format, it was never considered the competitive format, GvG was, because it had game objectives.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

By the way can we just remove the GW1 accolade stuff… it is a completely different game and having been in a guild with a trim is not the same as actually being part of the 8 player team that actually earned it. You don’t hear me boasting on these forums about GW1 stuff, I have yet to make a name in GW2 but hopefully, one day.

I think you misunderstand.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:Stonebender_House_Mafia
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:Failure_Is_Not_An_Option

http://www.gw-memorial.net/builds/mAT/2011/March/645/
http://www.gw-memorial.net/builds/mAT/2010/November/585/

I am not a leecher like many who claim success in gw1. I earned my achievements and played in the top 20 for 5 years. As for it being a different game, yes it was, a better and more competitive game. WvW is a kitten take compared to what gw1 gvg was in terms of skill and competition.

I just find it amusing how ogro can compare grinding zergfest kills in warhammer to winning world wide monthly tournaments. Maybe he will be on the leaderboard in this game when it comes out too! We all know how serious it will be!

And you will get your GvG soon enough, or would you like to have it tomorrow? I am sure, you like us are having que issues and clearly GvG under these conditions is not feasible.

Nymph of Meliai.6739:

You hypocrite… Seriously? “Sometimes you win some and sometimes you lose some” – did you quote me on that? or were those your own words?

“every time you lose a fight you cant sit and cry about it”… you mean like you did for about 4 pages of posts?

You could always offer an apology… and people might start to respect you once again.

After all I admitted when I was wrong because I did not realise that BOON and RP had joined the fight… I genuinely thought it was just RiOT and EXT vs VoTF, GH, Bull and others during that fight at Garri… but even so… your reaction and insult to RiOT as a result of my error was nothing short of sitting and crying about it and making up excuses, lies, and projecting an ego that made half the server lose respect for you.

Ok, since you obviously have a bone to pick, I will let you go back through this thread and find the posts under which we were disrespectful. All we ever said was that you never wiped us 6 times in garrison, and that was proven via a video posted by your own server mates. At no point EVER were the posts disrespectful (again go ahead and search through the thread).

The only thing I may have said rude was “whoru” to a player posting without a tag. And as far as I am concerned, thats fair, if you have an opinion to address to me, I better know which guild you are talking from. Then again, some votf post without tags, but they make it very clear that they are votf members in their posts.

I am sorry you lost respect for us, I dont know how we changed after leaving SFR though. My posts have always been in the same tone and will continue to be.

I apologize for things I do wrong, making a single posts on the forums with regards to a video, and a few members simply stating what you claimed didnt happen, is not something I need to apologize for, nor will apologize for.

Ogre.1750:

Jackie.1829:

Im tired of reading this crap, you all think you are so good go prove it in a game format that matters

Like concerted GvG? Oh wait…

Jackie.1829:

if you want we can 5v5 in spvp and I can show you guys what real pvp is.

Let me guess.. Ele, mesmer or thief amirite? Nobody cares about your “real pvp” (lmfao). Btw we got EUs #1 mesmer, bet he could melt you in 10s flat. And yeah, you guessed it, hes just another one of us, no special snowflake. Its a whole different ball game in the lakes, thats why u suck at it, Jackie of the Gold Capes (rofl)

You got us once on even numbers, yup the one were you bunkered uphill with a warrior cheese ac. Well played. Tbh Sac was hasty, but thats how he rolls. Balls deep, never hide inside other guilds/blobs, always looking for a fight. Thats why hes #1 and you are a footnote.

And on another note, Bull could swap tags to PUGS and nobody would notice. Think ive seen you rollin alone like twice since you betrayed me. You are a disgrace to your past. Im ahead by a mile in the “jump on u” race btw, keep trying.

Good night and good luck. Youll need it.

As to ogro mate, since we are pulling out all the stops, its cute that you bandwagoned to a guild when you couldnt pull it off on your own, not a strong sign of character though. If you are really a capable player build a guild capable of taking down the best yourself, dont bandwagon on. Thief ele mesmer, you pick whichever classes, Ill play em. As far as the lakes, its not a whole different ballgame, its incredibly easy, I have commanded for maybe a month and I can already lead against your guild with a commander who has done wvw for years since Doac, give me a break, wvw was easy to learn and will forever be an easy game mode. As for EUs best mesmer, I dont think anybody in RG is on the leaderboard, unless you want to self proclaim random things, the ranks are there for all to see, I doubt any mesmer in your guild could melt me in 10s flat in spvp however.

P.s. we also killed you without the siege when you had it near your supply camp in that same location. As for my gold capes, they will mean more than anything RG can ever accomplish in this game, thats for sure. If you want to know what a gold cape is, you can ask some of the people in the guild, I know players in RG who used to be leechers in top 50 guilds in gw1 cause they never made it on their own for anything. All you do here is a mockery of GvG and act high and mighty, but you wouldnt have been worth crap in the real GvG.

P.s. I am up with a warrior 1v1 ogro, if you want to show me whats up lol

Good night.

Ignore what victim said, there was no 10-2 cause there is no score to be tracked even if he would like to think so Quite a few of the fights we won were with an advantage towards us, which is why I am saying it is the way wvw is and there is nothing to brag about with regards to the victories.

But on the other hand, you are asking me to run circles or stand idle to ditch people who want to follow me even though I have no tag on. I mean I could do that and show disrespect to all my allies on the map, but how would that work towards my own server? You forget we are playing wvw, not gvg, and the map does not belong to just us, others want to play the game as well, but for whatever reason cannot go out in a group on their own, which you cant blame them for considering what is happening on the map.

The fact is, of course I want good fights, and I will go to great lengths to have those, why else would I pvp, what do I have to gain by “winning”. You only need to look at my signature to see that I have already won what matters to me, I play wvw as a casual fun form of pvp. But what I cannot do is waste time running circles to ditch pugs in the hope that I may run into just RG so I can have a good fight yet avoid every other zerg on the map and achieve nothing for my server than get QQ in map chat towards me.

What you are asking me to do is not feasible.

Hecksa.7140:

Victim.3016:

Kraken.7514:

Knowing they had 45 guys on their voice chat + al the pugs that where tagging along with them, proud of wiping 20+ people and accusing others of blobbing… really?

I lol’d.
Who the duck is this guy? You do realize some VoTF do record, I mean if you are gona talk kitten I could just post this http://i.imgur.com/dJYEHxY.jpg
and ask you to count how many members we had…. Looks about even right?
Eh? Any more bs for me to punch holes in?

Looks like you’re slightly outnumbering them even before you factor in that red names always look more numerous than than they are, to be honest. With that factored in, you’ve got a solid numbers advantage there. Not to mention any players behind your screenshot that can’t be seen, underneath the minimap, etc etc. Aneu’s screenshot was actually VoTF outnumbered, this just proves you were blobbing.

23 VoTF and 7 randoms and now we are blobbing? Out numbering you in that fight? No chance. Not even a commander icon on but still QQ.

Im tired of reading this crap, you all think you are so good go prove it in a game format that matters, if you want we can 5v5 in spvp and I can show you guys what real pvp is. Ill give you 100g if you can score more than 300 points vs us, heck, we wont even bunker the nodes.

There is an INSANE amount of ego considering this is WVW, which is a huge zerg fest numbers game no matter how you look into it. You complain about the enemy using the players on the map to get things done.

I am sorry you died, I really am. Sometimes you win some and sometimes you lose some, but every time you lose a fight you cant sit and cry about it, and sometimes you will lose in an even numbers fight. Stop thinking that every time you lost it must be a blob.

I find it incredibly amusing that people get so mad and think they are so good with regards to such a stupidly uncompetitive game format, and the amount of QQing is pathetic.

For all it matters, why dont we factor in the fact that SS shows us fighting you at YOUR spawn, where your players were respawning and coming back, yet you still lost that fight. Tough luck.

But no, your right, I actually commanded the entire map to hide behind me so we could take that screenshot. /tinfoil hat activated
I also bet that you all flag as invisible so when your streamers hit G, it shows less people online than you actually have. See 2 can play at the conspiracy game mate.

At 5 hours a day, you can have this maxed out in 2 months. Thats not bad at all considering I have been playing wvw since game launch, I am willing to work 2 months for a goal like this.

I imagine in 3 months a hardcore wvw guild would have all its members ready with this buff.

Finally, true that there is a finite amount of supply on the map. But you forget keeps being stockpiled with 1700 supply overnight (hello EB). And you also forget that siegerazor refills all your supply, and I am assuming will fill you up to 15 if that is what your cap is. A guild being able to actually take 15 supply is actually very game changing, but you will notice these things months down the road from now, which is good, cause the dedicated guilds will be achieving quite a lot more then.

Wurm gives 75 exp, fresh player kill gives 60 exp. How about you go out and kill things, cause if you think farming wurms is going to rank you up then good luck keeping up with the rest of us.

I guess everybody is farming WEXP cause this just turned into some serious blob wars. I refuse to believe it was like this before. And yes my server and my map were blobbing today, seems hype has taken over lol

AND SO IT BEGINS:

http://i.imgur.com/zfOjqcf.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KWyn0xN.jpg

Lets see who the real blobbers are!

Equilibrium.4296:

I love how this thread shows guild pride, too bad leaders have too short memory… Good thing there is YT for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69_93G2IqdM

I wonder when your next gvg is going to happen, you guys should be able to do better than Rg 15-0 Votf this time I think.

For the rest of the matchup seems quite fun, even after beeing the same kitten all over the foruns

Whats in that video there isnt GvG, and for all intents and purposes we wiped them that day as well, as well as other days. Its a nice video, but I could just as easily have made one of us wiping RG this week and they know theyve wiped to us anyways.

That doesnt change the fact that Riot did not at any point ever in this game wipe us 6 times in 1 night. Just because we lose sometimes does not mean we cannot have guild pride.

And in any case, whoru? You dont seem like anybody significant anyways, vicarious victories much?

Oni.5429:

People keep saying that gw1 was an esport.

It wasnt. It was a nightmare for solo players and that is why it would never have succeeded as an esport, even now.

Not to say that gw2 is any better atm

True it was an esport but it was competitive. The game did have live championships with cash pools similar to some of the current MLG tournaments, and that was back in 2005. For its time, it succeeded incredibly well as a competitive pvp game, and thats very obvious cause some of the top gw1 players are now some of the top LoL players etc, so it attracted the good players because it was a competitive game. The same cant be said for gw2 now. If GW1 was solo friendly though, it would have made for something amazing, even though I cant see how GvG could possibly have been made solo friendly by nature.

SAC.7862:

i dont know man, we barely were 10 when we arrived (then might have been 15/20) and started regrouping inside hills, i cut the stream while hitting golem, 30 sec later i went offline and so did most that were left while we were standing at the front of gate walls while you were by the oild.

end of stream

http://www.twitch.tv/xdef/b/381034771

http://i.imgur.com/tUoMY5M.jpg

Outmanned buff on our side, on the map you own, with your large force being in front of us, surely if we have the outmanned buff with our 15 desolation, you arent 20 players. And in the end we did come out to fight, I even personally tagged 5 kills, but everybody up there jumped off the wall and abandoned ship for some odd reason.

Hebril Amolebin.9817:

Wow you crying?!! backstabbing us whole night pushing always the same time when vz pushed.. or what? you took hills while vz was pushing Bay with their zerg….. gg
Then stormed garrison with golems? while we were in bay,instead of targeting t1 bay you go for t3 garrison and then cry? It was epic hold and we stopped it.
I have to give it to votf do epic amount of necros… This is your new setup a lot of necros eles with some guardians and mesmers?
I was fun we won few and lost few,once osc came at least we had the numbers to fight even vs both zergs on our map….

Backstabbing? What would you like us to do? We loaded into the map and everything is green, 3 keeps ALL with waypoints. Tell me about how hard you worked for those waypoints and didnt just pvdoor your way there? lol. So how did we backstab? By going for the keep on our side of the map? What would you have us attack? Nothing?

I can assure you, if the hills is paper thin, we can take it off your whole server if we want, the only reason you could even hold garrison after was because of waypoint spamming and banner ressing the lord for a whole 10 minutes before you finally managed to push us out. If we didnt have to fight vs t3 keeps every kitten day it would be a lot more entertaining.

I have respect for SFR, I played on the server and I liked the people there. But its always the same thing in t1 WvW, wake up to upgraded keeps and then people complain when you take them back lol

We also run warriors, thieves, engis and a sprinkle of rangers. Its almost like the game forces you to play 1 of 8 classes or something :S

Danielle.3152:

I certainly know I had fun fighting VotF not generating much points in SFR, only taking one tower.

Well we took hills as well, which we didnt have before we joined the map. The 1 tower you are reffering to is your spawn tower, so we exceeded our share of the map as well, dont know how much more we can do points wise during primetime, unless people expect us to be able to take the entire map during primetime against multiple organized guilds.

Anyways deso was ticking for 300+ during a fair bit of the EU primetime, not exactly bad for a server who “doesn’t know what they are doing”.

Ohliufff.8160:

Q: How many blobs from Viz and Deso at the same time on different gates does it take to get into Garnison with 20 Sfr defending?
A: Trick question. No such number tonight.

Thank you for the +400 bags for 3 hours….it has been nice farming you and i hope you come back tomorrow

Who was farming who?

http://i.imgur.com/majIIyV.jpg

Unplayable game is unplayable. Full skill lock for 2h of fighting… whats the point anymore.

I was also of the opinion that exp should be split and I still am. But then a thought struck me. If wvw isnt already filled with them, it will be even more so; perma stealth thieves.

Everybody is going to roam as a permastealth thief to win 1v1s and farm that exp. Not sure what that will do for the gameplay, though I cant imagine it will be a positive thing.

urek mazino.4026:

but maybe votf’s just bored and looking for fights? Dunno lol

You are on to something

So…. its kind of been 4 months. This isnt a light matter either, how is possible this is still in the backseat, I am sure its complex but.. 4 months?

Polismassa.6740:

EMP has done a few GvG’s as well (as mentioned in the OP) and for those of you who have never actually been part of an organized battle of this size, the intensity and complexity of it might escape you. It might seem incredibly boring and simple , but battles at this level require situational awareness, precision timing and quick reactions easily on par with an sPvP match. I only wish that the engine was built to handle displaying these types of battles.

Nah, it wont require the same precision and reactions as spvp, you only need to watch say Jumpers stream to see what real precision is (he is one of fastest thieves in the game at using teleports in incredibly precise locations under pressure). However comparing the 2 is moot, spvp is one thing and wvw/gvg is another. GvG certainly is fun and challenging and appeals to a different playerbase and for that I do hope Arenanet takes what is being said on board and gives us what we want.

For those bashing it, whats the point, if you want twitch gameplay and “big plays” I may refer you to the streams of powerr, jumpers, teldo, magzz etc, the point is if thats what you want, there are more than enough top spvp streams out there.

For those who enjoy it such as myself, I appreciate the upload and commend the skill, it may not be spvp, but it certainly is something else to organize and perform with 25+ players, speaking as a commander of VoTF myself.

In any case awesome fights, and good footage as always.

Fights from reset night vs PRX and SF, enjoy.

salluks.6017:

didnt EMP lose 5-0 against Votf?

proof here
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/80025-tier-1-gvg-emptsym-hb-votf/

Meh. EMP is a very good guild at what they do, which is defending. You can argue siege bla bla, but we still have the most hassle when attempting to take a keep off EMP than any other guild, at least in NA t1.

Most good guilds have already been named, so I would have nothing new to add to the list.

I will say one thing though, stop bring up GW1 GvG. Unless any of you here was actually a top 10 player in GW1 for more than just 1 month, then comparing GW1 GvG to what we have here is an insult.

The open field battles here are interesting and certainly have their own gameplay, but its only just a case of initiating, hitting all your skills and dodging. What you should keep in mind that being “good and skillful” doesnt just mean having good micro with your class. GW1 GvG was so much more than just hitting your buttons, it had map objectives which required intelligence and thought which far exceeds anything GW2 wvw or GvG has to offer.

And thats why dictating who the best guild is based solely on who wipes who more is stupid, because even in GW1 this wasnt the case, smarter players always outplayed players with good class micro, because in real pvp, brains matter more than who hits the keyboard harder.

EU hours were quite fun today, the highlight of which was taking SM off JQ

wish.3102:

. I especially liked yesterday when the JQ pugs pushed VOTF off the SOR BL map and their commander stopped streaming because we kept wiping them.

First we dont stream, so I know you are talking a load of crap as it is. Secondly, you will
-never- be able to push VoTF off a map, I dare any guild to try, much less a pug group.

Aurust.8961:

We would like to apologize to JQ and SOS… seems there is a hacker right now on SOR randomly flipping enemy towers. We dont know who it is unfortunately but as soon as we are able to get a screenshot etc. we will report it to ANET ASAP.

We will not be defending these points that were taken this way so please take them back.

Added a screenshot so you guys can see the chat and us being confused…..

I was wondering how Anzalias got flipped 3h ago when I only left it to escort a dolyak for 2 minutes when it was a t3 tower…. Made me a bit annoyed to be running supply for 2h and paying gold only to have someone hack the tower, but oh well.

Proumbro.1376:

Grithan Soulforge.5726:

Check out the income evolution graph:

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/29/

O thank you kind sir, I never knew this existed until you posted this. I like graphs ^^

It seems like if SoR could hold our stuff a little better during the afternoon (CST) we would be sitting much better. SoS seemed to fall deep Monday during this time, and today they are making a rally during the same time. Very interesting, did some guilds from SoS decide to push during this time? If so, I applaud your quick reaction time to your weak point the previous day. Now SoR needs to do the same :P

Monday VoTF didnt raid. Today VoTF did raid. Shows the difference one guild can make, granted we didnt do it all alone. Got great cooperation from all other SoS players present on the EB, SoR and JQ BL without which we would have struggled a lot more to cover 3 maps as one guild.

T1 NA atm is balanced and fun. T1 EU will never be balanced and can only be fun at times… you can thank a certain french server for that. But dont worry, they work and organize with real dedication to make sure the other T1 EU folk dont have fun lol

Vohnnyan.4058:

GottFaust.5297:

Vohnnyan.4058:

GottFaust.5297:

Mona.4576:

A new official statement would be nice!!

They’ve given you plenty of official statements. The queues are the result of a large number of people transferring to a small subset of servers. Hell, they even referenced this fact as one of the reasons they did the ranking reset.

Where can I read this official statement?

There’s a nice big one on the first page of this thread.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Any-Tarnished-Coast-citizens-agree/first

There are also many more scattered around.

Thank you for the help, so this is why we have queues on every server with active population, even tough maps are empty compared to the last week, its because people are messing with the queue system, waiting for the travel to borderland timer to go down before re-entering the queue, and if they do press to travel, the massive duration and strain that all this causes on the servers prevents 30-40 other players from getting a pop in 1 hour, when in the previous week they had to wait 5-10 mins to enter a full map.

Somehow I am almost certain the sarcasm in this post will not be spotted.

Thanks for the fights, was good fun. Look forward to more

A Video of VoTF’s first couple of days in this match up

Some of last nights wvw from my perspective, enjoy

Due to the disrespect I have shown Vizunah lately I have been asked to remedy the situation.

Now, let me first say that we want to apologize for the trolling and forum warrioring that we as VoTF have taken a part in. In light of what happened we were certainly out of line to accuse Vizunah of cowardice and night capping. Going into tier 1, we expected high competition and Vizunah delivered nothing short of this always rising up to the challenge. However many times we fought, they would always return again, always hungry for more. To this honestly I owe you Vizunah guys a congratulations.

Can we take back the hate that we showed to Vizunah? As we have in the past, we seek to present ourselves as mature and competitive opponents. Perhaps it is too late for that as we acknowledge that we have been hostile towards Vizunah and it’s outstanding fighters. Possibly moving forward we will seek to show more respect to our French enemies and the situation will be ameliorated. In either case we wish to resolve our differences and get along as players having fun in a game. None of us will find much pleasure in continually trolling on the forums so there is not much point. Gaming should be fun, and regardless of how a server plays, they should not be subject to the kind of abuse VoTF showed in the past.

To those who wish to continue the hate towards VoTF and point fingers at us, we understand where you are coming from, but we ask that you give us a second chance. Rarely will an established guild provide the community with an apology like ours, with a sincere intention. Any guild providing a post like this clearly has a level of respect towards their enemies despite what has been said in the past. So with that said, I hope there are no hard feelings between VoTF and Vizunah as we acknowledge that we may have stepped past the line. Hope to continue the outstanding battles in game <3