Guild Wars 2

These topics exist to localize the toxicity. If we didn’t have it here, it would be spread to other topics much more often. lol

Maybe SOR could afford some guilds if they didn’t pay so much to Ultra to man the keyboard.

UltraHiDef.4809:

declan.3968:

There are only two reasons why EU guild would transfer to NA server

1) Stack the server
2) Fight other Eu guilds

IRON you ought to be ashamed of yourself for doing 1) when there wasn’t any reason for 2), and now you flame ZDs because they are transferring for reason 2) ? Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

Fight other EU guilds? What guilds are you talking about? There’s no EU guilds in NA except for IRON.

That was his point….

IRON moved there when there were no other EU guilds to fight – stacking.
ZDs moved to fight IRON.

You just made his point for him.

Its like you guys don’t even read whats being said.

galadriea.2369:

JaredKincade.9761:

Jeydra.4386:

Reverence.6915:

Jeydra.4386:

BG is definitely overstacked right now, that much is obvious. I actually took up sPvP (barely did that before) while queueing for WvW. That said, lol @ some people complaining about population. I suppose they’ve never actually played for servers like Maguuma or TC against the T1 servers.

Still I give SoR credit for actually playing now. Even if there aren’t enough players to field zergs on all four maps, as long as players concentrate on say 2-3 maps that’s still enough for games.

Otherwise met my first Blackgate commander who was playing not for points but rather for open field combat … despite knowing there was a full SoR zerg on SoR BL, he still led BG zerg to Titan. First time we wiped, second time I pointed out that there was no way we could win since SoR are so close to spawn, but he went ahead anyway and we wiped again. gg, I won’t be joining his zerg in the future.

Hey man, when I was on SoRBL earlier, we were trying to lure SoR out of citadel to fight us open field. That’s when we found out that there’s a little bit of land both sides of the portal in north camp that allows you to be invulnerable while still outside of the citadel.

I prefer open field fights rather than fighting under 5 arrow carts firing down on you. I’ve also noticed SoR commanders have taken to spamming ACs in engagements. That kitten hurts man!

Yeah, but the way I view WvW isn’t open field combat just for the sake of open field combat … I’d fight if there was something to gain and avoid if there’s not. If us fighting SoR = we take a supply camp like Vale if we win, then sure. But fighting outside Titan is an example of “nothing to gain”. We can kill SoR three times and we’ll not only fail to take Titan, we’ll eventually all die. What’s the point?

I was actually going to put down ACs, but I wasn’t the commander and I’d already logged off TS (since nothing constructive was being said), so with no way to protect the ACs as they get built I didn’t.

If your killing them three times with bloodlust, you gained 25-50 points. Worth much more than the camp.

Maybe the commander knew this?

I was the commander during this fight for BG. I wasn’t trying to get the camp. Just tried to get SoR out of their citadel camping and away from their insanely sieged camp. They had 4 balistas, 3 ACs and a treb lol.

We wiped them 3-4 times before getting largely out-manned because part of the group went to defend redlake. Anyway, good fights!

Yes, I figured it was something like this.

Jeydra.4386:

Reverence.6915:

Jeydra.4386:

BG is definitely overstacked right now, that much is obvious. I actually took up sPvP (barely did that before) while queueing for WvW. That said, lol @ some people complaining about population. I suppose they’ve never actually played for servers like Maguuma or TC against the T1 servers.

Still I give SoR credit for actually playing now. Even if there aren’t enough players to field zergs on all four maps, as long as players concentrate on say 2-3 maps that’s still enough for games.

Otherwise met my first Blackgate commander who was playing not for points but rather for open field combat … despite knowing there was a full SoR zerg on SoR BL, he still led BG zerg to Titan. First time we wiped, second time I pointed out that there was no way we could win since SoR are so close to spawn, but he went ahead anyway and we wiped again. gg, I won’t be joining his zerg in the future.

Hey man, when I was on SoRBL earlier, we were trying to lure SoR out of citadel to fight us open field. That’s when we found out that there’s a little bit of land both sides of the portal in north camp that allows you to be invulnerable while still outside of the citadel.

I prefer open field fights rather than fighting under 5 arrow carts firing down on you. I’ve also noticed SoR commanders have taken to spamming ACs in engagements. That kitten hurts man!

Yeah, but the way I view WvW isn’t open field combat just for the sake of open field combat … I’d fight if there was something to gain and avoid if there’s not. If us fighting SoR = we take a supply camp like Vale if we win, then sure. But fighting outside Titan is an example of “nothing to gain”. We can kill SoR three times and we’ll not only fail to take Titan, we’ll eventually all die. What’s the point?

I was actually going to put down ACs, but I wasn’t the commander and I’d already logged off TS (since nothing constructive was being said), so with no way to protect the ACs as they get built I didn’t.

If your killing them three times with bloodlust, you gained 25-50 points. Worth much more than the camp.

Maybe the commander knew this?

There’s more JQ in this thread posting than SOS.

Lol doomdesire, I of course think BG is more fun and better to play on than SOR, thats why I am here, that does not make me elitist, just opinionated.

What makes you elitist is defending SORs position of dismissal towards their new wvw players and being “hardcore wvw” by detagging and exclusion.

I was talking about being elitist towards the players on your own sever, not elitist towards each other on this thread, you’ve taken my posts completely out of context but what was I to expect I suppose.

Doomdesire.9365:

JaredKincade.9761:

I thought we only won the first week because we simultaneously 2v1ed both JQ and SOR.

Or we only won because we attacked their TS.

Everyone forgets that we lost TKG, MERC, SUPR, RISE rB and RICH within two to three weeks of League starting.

We’ve gained EE, Zero and ZDs.

No, the difference in the numbers you are seeing in the BL is not “buygate”.

We do not detag to discourage our “new WvW players”. We teach them, get them into TS and recruit them into the WvW guilds. All of our WvW guilds have gained in numbers throughout the last three weeks, while SORs map numbers have slowly shrunk.

Its true once or twice when defending garrison we’ve asked achievement hunters to get off if they aren’t on a lvl 80 but it is not the norm of our server at all.

BG has a very large PvE community. We had a large one before Teq, but now its much much larger. Why?

Because the leaders (not myself) of BG were smart enough to open our WvW TS up for the PvE players to use and coordinate to take down Teq. In fact, two of our best WvW commanders became consistent Teq raid leaders and got a huge influx into their guilds because of it. BAM GW2 announces on their facebook page how awesome BG is in PvE and we have a huge influx of PvEers transfer over from everywhere, because everyone wants to beat Teq while they can still get the achievements.

Now comes the part where ANET makes achievements that have a limited time window that can only be done in WvW, aka League. (this is after they give “awesome” chests out for every 500 achievement points you gain). What did you think would happen, all those PvEers flocked into our WvW maps.

Do we complain? Do we detag? No, we do everything we can to show the fresh meat how awesome WvW is by organizing massive TS permission drives for our new players to get into TS. All our WvW guilds recruit like crazy. Some guilds get so full, the only time they can all fit is off hours, like Oceanic or late EU.

Don’t blame BGs influx of numbers on a zerg of 30 Russians. We’ve been working on reaching out for new WvW blood for months, and its starting to hit critical mass.

And for the love of Pete, don’t blame low SOR ticks during NA or Oceanic on that zerg of 30 Russians who are asleep or at work.

That’s the difference between BG & SoR. BG guilds are PvX and recruit as many people as they can. More people = more ppt

SoR is hardcore WvW orientated with a bigger focus on guild quality. CHOO/TW/FEAR/Hel/IRON/ONE/RISE are all under 150 quality members each and are hardcore WvW. We like to keep it that way. We don’t have a warchest. We don’t buy guilds. We don’t field insane numbers into oceanic, or massively recruit. But at the end of the day, we keep our dignity. Grats on the finisher, Blackgate. See you tomorrow during NA.

It is this exact elitist attitude that proves my point.

I thought we only won the first week because we simultaneously 2v1ed both JQ and SOR.

Or we only won because we attacked their TS.

Everyone forgets that we lost TKG, MERC, SUPR, RISE rB and RICH within two to three weeks of League starting.

We’ve gained EE, Zero and ZDs.

No, the difference in the numbers you are seeing in the BL is not “buygate”.

We do not detag to discourage our “new WvW players”. We teach them, get them into TS and recruit them into the WvW guilds. All of our WvW guilds have gained in numbers throughout the last three weeks, while SORs map numbers have slowly shrunk.

Its true once or twice when defending garrison we’ve asked achievement hunters to get off if they aren’t on a lvl 80 but it is not the norm of our server at all.

BG has a very large PvE community. We had a large one before Teq, but now its much much larger. Why?

Because the leaders (not myself) of BG were smart enough to open our WvW TS up for the PvE players to use and coordinate to take down Teq. In fact, two of our best WvW commanders became consistent Teq raid leaders and got a huge influx into their guilds because of it. BAM GW2 announces on their facebook page how awesome BG is in PvE and we have a huge influx of PvEers transfer over from everywhere, because everyone wants to beat Teq while they can still get the achievements.

Now comes the part where ANET makes achievements that have a limited time window that can only be done in WvW, aka League. (this is after they give “awesome” chests out for every 500 achievement points you gain). What did you think would happen, all those PvEers flocked into our WvW maps.

Do we complain? Do we detag? No, we do everything we can to show the fresh meat how awesome WvW is by organizing massive TS permission drives for our new players to get into TS. All our WvW guilds recruit like crazy. Some guilds get so full, the only time they can all fit is off hours, like Oceanic or late EU.

Don’t blame BGs influx of numbers on a zerg of 30 Russians. We’ve been working on reaching out for new WvW blood for months, and its starting to hit critical mass.

And for the love of Pete, don’t blame low SOR ticks during NA or Oceanic on that zerg of 30 Russians who are asleep or at work.

Which map was ZDs on at reset?

Yes, I am from BG.

The point of the thread (which I posted within an hour of them releasing the schedule) was to have the schedule IMMEDIATELY changed. It was not.

So what is left is an unfair situation for all T1 servers. (Yes I know its more unfair for T2, but that can’t be helped by ANET, the other could have been)

What has happened is that both SOR and BG knew that if we didn’t push JQ to third place in Week 1, then they almost assuredly win. That’s unfair for all three servers.

BG won its first duel against SOR, and is on track for a 2nd, (But there is a long long way to go yet). Depending on how duel 2 and 3 go between SOR and BG, season 1 may come down to the JQ vs BG match. And then things will get really interesting for week 7 where its possible the only undecided place will be for 2nd.

To the SOR who used this thread to chest bump and tell BG they will destroy us in all three of our duels…I say, you were mistaken.

This thread is supposed to be about ANETs complete bungle of the season 1 schedule. Next time it should not be announced. It would have been better for everyone.

Update:

Despite taking 3rd, JQ still has a lead of 6 points against BG and a lead of 8 points against SOR for league title.

CLARIFICATION: This is a result from the poor planning of ANET with the schedule, and not the fault of JQ at all, nor any of their members specifically.

As for the complaining about ICoa, backdoorbanker is no longer in ICoa, he has been gone for 4 months. There were builds copy and pasted from Choo in our forums, they were old builds at the time, that we never used, and since builds are old every 4 to 6 weeks with patches I’m not sure how this is still an issue.

And I might add, the only reason you found out about that was you had people in our forums as well…

If you still want to complain about ICoa that is of course your right, but try to pick something that has happened within the last six months.

Thank SoR for turning a what should be a discussion about WvW League mechanics into trolling BG.

Stay classy.

NeHoMaR.9812:

JaredKincade.9761:

Week 2 = BG SOR = easy week for JQ
Week 3 = SOR JQ = easy week for BG
Week 4 = JQ BG = easy week for SOR
Week 5 = SOR BG = easy week for JQ
Week 6 = SOR JQ = easy week for BG

This part looks fair to me, excluding another JQ BG is needed (to gives SOR another easy one)

JaredKincade.9761:

Week 1 = SOR JQ BG = easy week for TC
Week 7 = SOR JQ BG = easy week for SOR

This part is contradictory, it’s a typo?, I don’t get it. Why the same exact match is easy for TC 1st and for SOR 2nd? both are easy for TC, but doesn’t matter because TC is not going to win. So week 1 and 7 are completely irrelevant to this thread.

Edit: About the title of the thread:

JQ 3 easy weeks in schedule, SOR 1 and BG 1?

Should be: 2 easy for BG, 2 easy for JQ, and 1 easy for SOR.

Yes, was a typo.

BG SOR JQ weeks are easy for TC, not easy really, but we know the outcome. TC will get first place.

What EVERYONE in this thread is forgetting about is overtime.

It takes extra time to cover weak spots in coverage. But, people are human and get tired. JQ won’t have to play for WvW for three weeks. When they do finally play, they are going to be so stoked and ready to fire it up.

Meanwhile, BG and SOR will be bruised and bloody from going at each other like we always do and JQ will be fresh.

Bottom line: JQ is starting 10 points ahead of BG and SOR.

Also, think of it this way.

There are 35 possible points for League, 7 first places.

With this schedule, JQ is being given 15 of them right at start.

Caroline.4987:

Jared: Umm…you wanna give Tarnished Coast four first place finishes? =S That’s almost guaranteed to screw one of the T1 servers out of third place…

Your right Caroline.

Absolutely right.

I’m going to edit my initial post.

Caroline.4987:

Well, here’s hoping enough people stop showing up to make them challenging again.

Short of forced destacking of servers, what else can you do?

EDIT: Problem with a schedule like that is…I think everyone wants the three way T1 fight more than once in seven weeks.

Yep, that’s why I posted the first one in the top of the thread, which I think is the better of the two.

Sure it is, it would work like this:

Week 1: JQ SOR BG (like now)

Week 2: JQ SOR = Easy week for BG

Week 3: JQ BG = Easy week for SOR

Week 4: SOR BG = Easy Week for JQ

Week 5: JQ SOR = Easy week for BG

Week 6: JQ BG = Easy week for SOR

Week 7: SOR BG = Easy Week for JQ

There, two easy weeks a piece.

Both my proposed schedules give Tier 1 servers an EQUAL number of easy weeks.

Either one is perfectly fine, but you cannot be giving out free points.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out these two schedules are the ONLY way we have equal competition.

ykyk.2740:

The whole point of leagues in the first place is to mix up the matches as much as possible within each league. The proposed system above has the same matchup for 4 out of the 7 weeks.

If there are 3 stacked servers that clearly overpower the 3 underdog servers in a league then the problem of “easy weeks” will happen all the time, if you want to bypass it then why even have leagues in the first place. Put the top 3 together and have them fight each other forever (I think many people will be fine with this arrangement but hey variety woohoo).

No, that is not the point of Leagues to “mix things up”. The point of Leagues is to have competition.

It is not competitive for JQ to have 3 weeks where they face neither BG nor SOR, while SOR and BG only have 1 week a piece of similar matchups.

I’m not saying that easy weeks are bad. I’m saying giving one of servers three times the easy weeks as the other two competitive servers is bad.

The only other way to schedule it evenly would be that each team gets two “easy weeks” and there is only one week (This week) where it is SOR-JQ-BG.

BG SOR and JQ should ALL have the SAME amount of competition.

Hell why not just make it so JQ never fights BG or SOR while we are at it?

Does this not make sense to anyone?

Not sure why JQ gets week 2 3 and 4 without SoR or BG, and SOR only gets week 5 and BG week 6 with out the two other teir 1 servers.

With points going to first place, and a guaranteed win for any Tier 1 server fighting two Tier 2 servers, it will give JQ 3 guaranteed wins worth of points.

A better schedule would have been

EDITED FROM ORIGINAL:

Week 1 = SOR JQ BG = easy week for TC

Week 2 = BG SOR = easy week for JQ

Week 3 = SOR JQ = easy week for BG

Week 4 = JQ BG = easy week for SOR

Week 5 = SOR BG = easy week for JQ

Week 6 = SOR JQ = easy week for BG

Week 7 = JQ BG = easy week for SOR

This is two easy weeks per Tier 1 server and one easy week for TC. This is as fair as it can be while still giving the top three servers all a fighting chance.

I mean it is super simple and fair, if something like this is not implemented than you are handing a team free points at the start of League. I can’t believe it was not scheduled like this in the first place.

As the schedule stands right now, JQ could come in second place in both week 1 and week 7 and STILL win the league.

It is unacceptable.

EDIT: Typo

Figures, ANET finally adds something that makes it worthwhile to be organized and in smaller groups in WvW, but within a month, listens to the complaining of those that would rather zerg in huge mindless blobs and dumbs it back down.

Welcome to every MMO ever.

There are so many quoted posts missing lol

Yea, because no other servers help guilds with moving costs.

If anything it shows how poor we are, we have to do bakesales for any perspective transfers lol. We’ll be lucky to raise 2k from that.

Blackgate, the big spenders of Tier 1, purchasing guilds left and right with 2k gold. (The cost to move 25 people) lol

Doomdesire.9365:

Anyone with eyes could see that this was going to happen to BG’s OCX/SEA from a mile away.

Moral of the story: Overtime isn’t sustainable. Doing inhumane things for ppt is silly.

If this were the case, they would have left weeks ago, not right before League play, which overtime play would have been sustainable.

Its not in the cookies, its in the punch.

EST players stay up to 1am = normal.
PST players stay up to 1am = GD CHEATING BG HAWAIIANS!

Personally, I love Hawaii. lol

Today, two more myths were busted (besides the walrus).

That SOR murders BG in open field fights.

That BG blobs more than SOR.

The first day that fighting became attached to the actual score of the match, BG gains score, even though BG was losing in PPT.

We don’t blob, you do.

We don’t suck in open field, we take the lead with it.

BG’s small roaming individuals and small groups came out to WvW tonight and kicked kitten . Today was great great fun. I’ll enjoy SORBLs bloodlust for months to come.

:)

covenn.7165:

JaredKincade.9761:

And when I call out the inaccurate facts, I’m nailed to the wall.

Yes, your inaccuracies always cause you to get nailed to the wall. Why would you honestly expect it to be any different. A little friendly advice: Try being a little more realistic in the future and I bet that won’t happen as much.

On a side note, about the he-said/she-said nonsense…. the realistic response is to not blame Burl for something that has been going on for months. Do you remember who fired the actual first shot over the bow in the very first match-up thread between our two servers? I do…. and we have been at each others throats since.

That totally makes it ok. My bad.

covenn.7165:

JaredKincade.9761:

Hey, keep posting whatever makes you feel better about the last two weeks.

I was waiting for a fresh round of scoreboard posturing.

You never fail to deliver Jared.

And yet it started with Burl calling out BGs NA. No, the posturing is on your side, as it is nearly every time. And when I call out the inaccurate facts, I’m nailed to the wall.

Read the thread. Burl takes a shot at our guilds every chance he gets. Get your facts straight.

Hoots.9564:

Burl.9567:

JaredKincade.9761:

Burl.9567:

JoePhuket.8045:

Burl.9567:

covenn.7165:

Looks like Noodles still won’t fight TW.

Oh well

Undefeated NA.

Dude, Noodle and ESOL just started playing again after like 2 months?
Unlike you guys who have been playing together non-stop (compare to Noodles).

Would TW disband and uninstall GW2 if you guys lose to a guild who just got back into the game for 1 week?

Did Noodles need all the BG forum trolls to come defend him? I’m sure he can handle a little light hearted ribbing. It’s nice seeing them back in the game. BGs NA needs the help.

Hopefully Sacrx gave you guys some good tips.

We need all the help we can get really.

At least we are in agreement.

Was thinking the same thing Burl, it’s always nice to see that some people on BG realize that their NA needs all the help they can get. Shame all those guilds can’t organize enough to keep NA close on a consistent basis.

Hey, keep posting whatever makes you feel better about the last two weeks.

Burl.9567:

JoePhuket.8045:

Burl.9567:

covenn.7165:

Looks like Noodles still won’t fight TW.

Oh well

Undefeated NA.

Dude, Noodle and ESOL just started playing again after like 2 months?
Unlike you guys who have been playing together non-stop (compare to Noodles).

Would TW disband and uninstall GW2 if you guys lose to a guild who just got back into the game for 1 week?

Did Noodles need all the BG forum trolls to come defend him? I’m sure he can handle a little light hearted ribbing. It’s nice seeing them back in the game. BGs NA needs the help.

Hopefully Sacrx gave you guys some good tips.

Just keep bashing BG’s NA. I’m sure there’s still a few people that agree. Up until you lost your lead to BG during NA on Sunday at least. And then your garrison to NA last night. Or taking back all of BGBL by 9pm PST…

We need all the help we can get really.

Keep going though, its cool.

I kinda feel bad being an American when I see posts that suggest Anet make the less important people’s efforts mean nothing to the score.

’Merica

Sunday night NA BG leads PPT all night?

No game of thrones I guess. :P

I’m just wondering how 6-7pm server time is either EU or even only east coast time. 6-7pm server time is 6-7pm west coast time. Thats the start of PST/West Coast primetime.

Why are you using this screenshot to say you fight even numbers in EU again?

Guys, its still a ladder.

You just define Tiers as each group of three ranked, even if they are not fighting.

Example, JQ is in Tier 1 because they are rank 3. But they are fighting Tier 2 servers (ranked 4 and 6).

The only change is who you fight isn’t necessarily dictated by the ranking order. But ranking order still exists in the game lol.

Rednik.3809:

JaredKincade.9761:

Call BG stacked all you want. But full server status has nothing to do with it. You should be happy, now we can’t “buy” more guilds lol.

Let’s assume that 10% of population playing WvW, and set population planks at Very High = 25000+, Full = 35000+ (we got 3kk GW2 sold and anet set server status by number accounts per server, not by online). So it’s 2500 vs 3500 already. If server winning, ppl come to WvW even more, everyone want some loot/achievements etc. So 5%, 2500 vs 5250, hello 400 ppt, hello full map blobs vs outmanned.

Wait wait wait.

Lets read this again.

Are you now blaming random pugs who have never ever step foot in WvW before this week and are wearing pve gear on your loss?

Because I think that’s exactly what you just did.

Rednik.3809:

JaredKincade.9761:

SOR loves to forget that the server count includes PVE guilds, not just WvW. We have several 400+ man PvE guilds on blackgate, and tons of players that never ever step foot into WvW, and TC is known for their PvE community.

Get over it SOR, those numbers have nothing to do with each other.

Thats why full servers usually are T1-T2, and usually full server is a winning one. Cool story bro.

So your observational “evidence” cannot negate the fact that the server full status uses the entire population of a server, not just people that enter WvW.

It also has Yak’s Bend as Very High population. Yet they are rank 11 in WvW.

Call BG stacked all you want. But full server status has nothing to do with it. You should be happy, now we can’t “buy” more guilds lol.

SOR loves to forget that the server count includes PVE guilds, not just WvW. We have several 400+ man PvE guilds on blackgate, and tons of players that never ever step foot into WvW, and TC is known for their PvE community.

Get over it SOR, those numbers have nothing to do with each other.

<-BG member.

Good luck TC. I’m pulling for you.

Hey, I hadn’t read it. :P

I’m just not going to put up with people bashing BGs NA guilds. The little side comments and pure fiction they have created about BGs NA for months. This week shows the true story.

Having said that, WARD and ACO will probably bring up SOR’s numbers in NA quite a bit. WARD runs very tight as a zerg and hits like a truck. And Aco and WARDs commanders were working very well together last night. It was fun.

But do not sit in your chair and type we on BGs NA aren’t showing up when the opposite is true. I understand it took some time to build 50 omega golums, but you didn’t have to let us take 4 towers and 3 keeps while you did it….

covenn.7165:

Lemrish.5970:

EnRohbi.2187:

covenn.7165:

eithinan.9841:

BG destroyed both servers when there was a lower tier server in the mix, but to show true superiority BG needs to become a King maker. BG needs to choose who becomes second place. Then they will truly put JQ and SOR in their place.

Dominating NA prime time on a NA server is what is actually required. Until that happens…… /shrug

With the amount of times that Anet has very vocally, very clearly, and without ambiguity, come out and said “WvW is a 24 hour game and is about how well a server can maintain their score 24 hours a day for the match”, it absolutely baffles me how people on the most populous servers in the game are still deluded enough to argue that off-NA-Hours playtime is less valid than NA primetime play.

It is definitely a foolish thing to say. However at this time SOR needs to find ways to rally it’s fairweather populous and touting themselves as dominating NA probably helps with this, though their NA performance to date in this matchup hasn’t been very spectacular given the number of recent guilds they’ve obtained.

Nah, that was something he injected into the conversation that wasn’t there.

This is a 24 hour a day game and worrying about time slots you don’t play in is pointless.

Edit: I am curious about what fair weather population you think we have though…. our coverage is what it has been for weeks. The only difference is that BG ahs come out to play again in the time slots they have always dominated numbers in. I just wish your NA players would come back out and play. You have the numbers.

Covenn, what are you talking about our NA would come out and play.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/

Look at last night, from 830-1230 PST we dominated in PPT until the epic golum rush of SOR. I’m not chest thumping, i’m calling BS on your calling out our NA yet again.

If it weren’t for WARD and ACO last night, we’d have had no one to fight on any of the maps, and they just got here.

(BTW ward, you like my hit on bay while you camped up cliff? I laughed a bit, I hope you did too)

Doomdesire.9365:

JaredKincade.9761:

Wait wait wait.

So you guys really just said that you need the “balance” back that JQ brings? You are all implying that if both servers aren’t attacking BG, than things are out of balance. Maybe you should of thought of that while we were fresh in Tier 1 months ago.

YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELVES. Week after week of Waha + SOR SEA vs BG SEA and EMP or SF taking down a gate at garrison just to get out of the way for CHOO or TW to rush in with full supply. Or my favorite, the nightly cap of our keep in EBG while JQ caps and SOR spawn camps.

We reacted and adapted to the BLATENT 2v1, you made fun of us (especially me) for calling you out on. You laughed at our “tears” and our screenshots. You said “its not 2v1, JQ hits you all the time”. Well we responded by tightening up our tactics and most importantly, our cross map/guild communication and teamwork.

Then when the scores got close again (we won twice in a row) you recruited not one, but two HUGE EU guilds from EU servers to stack the zone before NA so they have T3 waypoints every night.

We have done nothing but respond to the pressure you blatantly put on our server.

You created this monster. Deal with the consequences.

Look again

JQ recruits to beat SoS. Beats SoS…SBI & SoS goes down, gives SOR the numbers to come up to T1, also gives BG the numbers for T1. JQ wins by 70K every week, BG is the first to recruit in order to beat JQ, DESPITE the fact that JQ was losing some of it’s players(EMP)… WM + RISE + Meow, wins 2 weeks by 30K. As result, SoR recruits IRON, wins 5 weeks.

I wouldn’t exactly say “SoR” caused every server to start stacking.

Look again. I said exactly your timeline.

I didn’t say JUST SoR. Its both. JQ was the first super stacked server after transfers shut off. People thought they would never be beaten. In fact a few servers died because of it.

However, SOR and JQ TOGETHER (I have to capitalize words because some people fail to actually read them) caused this problem.

The score shows how badly we were being double teamed. Look at it RIGHT NOW during the height of NA. BG is ticking at 300 +- 10. Was that even close to happening last week during NA? No, and we didn’t get any new guilds. The SEA has an even higher shift.

The guy who called it an arms race had it right on. The problem is, BG wasn’t playing to survive in Tier 1. We were playing to survive against both of you.

Again, you guys caused this. We just reacted. SORs focus of BG only every day, and JQs willingness to pile on. The pressure has caused us to temper as a server, and the community to pull together.

When we go back to BG-SOR-JQ again, sure the matchups will be closer. But everyone in JQ and everyone in SOR will know deep down that in a 1v1 matchup, BG destroyed you both.

Eviator.9746:

Zikory.6871:

You must be new here. Welcome to the 2v1, PvD, You’re stacked->Nuh uh, zoom hacker, </3 thread. AKA tier 1 thread.

Yeah but why? It makes no sense. Why don’t these people play games and let the scores do the talking?

400 posts? Forget that we’ve been talking about the same four or five topics here for 6 months. And it will go on for another 6 months I’m sure.

Also, we are all at work. WvWer by night, forum warrior by day.

DB looks as if it will get shot in the arm for rating this week. Get used to Tier 1 forum talk my man, its not going anywhere lol.

kishter.9578:

pot.6805:

kishter.9578:

Blackgate +430 /105584

Sanctum of Rall +175 /75372

Dragonbrand +90 /59759

Whole morning and can do nothing since most of NA is in work, this need balanced.

Play for fun man.

Transfer to SOR and have fun whit me here. What is the fun whit out a goal? and what gonna be my goal this week? Cap and upgrade our map to get Zerged by NON NA people that’s is unbalancing NA server?

Yea, because only people in America should get to play this game.

Wait wait wait.

So you guys really just said that you need the “balance” back that JQ brings? You are all implying that if both servers aren’t attacking BG, than things are out of balance. Maybe you should of thought of that while we were fresh in Tier 1 months ago.

YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELVES. Week after week of Waha + SOR SEA vs BG SEA and EMP or SF taking down a gate at garrison just to get out of the way for CHOO or TW to rush in with full supply. Or my favorite, the nightly cap of our keep in EBG while JQ caps and SOR spawn camps.

We reacted and adapted to the BLATENT 2v1, you made fun of us (especially me) for calling you out on. You laughed at our “tears” and our screenshots. You said “its not 2v1, JQ hits you all the time”. Well we responded by tightening up our tactics and most importantly, our cross map/guild communication and teamwork.

Then when the scores got close again (we won twice in a row) you recruited not one, but two HUGE EU guilds from EU servers to stack the zone before NA so they have T3 waypoints every night.

We have done nothing but respond to the pressure you blatantly put on our server.

You created this monster. Deal with the consequences.

Rednik.3809:

Titan.3472:

I respect my opponent
Respecting the fighters

Titan.3472:

you are a pseudo harcore wvw guild
please use TS and tell me how it helps you when you face me ??? ok ? !
I transfered back to BG and unbalanced the match guys

Sure, buddy. Hope you will have fun demonstrating your harcore skills.
P.S. CA guys, sorry for that dialog, i respect you and understand that guild cannot control everything and everyone. Like “great forum warriors”.

I know, I feel the same way about Iron.

pot.6805:

Damage control in full effect.

Because no one but me is talking about the elephant in the room.

We all know its true.

This week is an outlier, you should realize that. With people showing up to fight a new server for the first time in what, 6 weeks?

SoR,

You and JQ did this to yourselves. The constant focusing of BG since we entered Tier 1 this last time has trained us into a lean mean fighting force.

If any person denies that this has been happening, they are not paying attention. The scores show the true story.

When we fight JQ with DB, we destroyed the weekly score. So far this week when we have fought SoR with DB we have been leading heavily.

BG was not this dominant when we entered the tier. Both server’s attempts to push us out has caused us to strengthen and adapt, this includes getting new guilds. Guilds are attracted to a server that doesn’t crumble under pressure. You provided the pressure.

For weeks we have endured it. Now you are reaping what you’ve sown by having to deal with the Beast gate you helped to create.

TC FAor DB.

Lets end the super stacking and get 4 real contenders. Stacking a top three server with 400+ more is ridiculous when you have the power to bring a server that’s close up to par.

And I’m from BG.