Guild Wars 2

Nuked.2360:

Vodka.3958:

gebrechen.5643:

I know where all the bg players are. They do pve to feed their sabotage troops on JQ which will build sieges in eb and jq bl next match..

Wait, that sentence was almost as ridiculous as the talk about 2v1. Nevermind.

Lol Blackgate is fine with being 2v1’d… Even though it doesn’t look good in points, it has definitely been increasing our WXP rank significantly :P

& sabotage troops???

If BG was “fine” with being 2v1’d wouldn’t they you know not complain about it? This is laughable given how much Jared kincaide complains about 2v1 on the forums. And before anyone asks we totally just all sit on the same TS planning it out. It goes like this : Guys we need to take Valley so SoR you take Durios we will take QL and then we will push Langor and Bravost at the same time and since we took Valley last time you guys can have it we will spawn camp BG! High Five

How much I complain? I seriously posted two times because that night in EBG was absolutely ludicrous. I even posted I understand the 2v1, we all use it. I’m talking about specific coordination, and do not sit there and deny it happens, I know for a FACT several of sor’s guild leaders PM several JQ guild leaders and coordinate attacks.

I am not “complaining about the 2v1 constantly”. I’m pointing out the extremes it has gone to this last week. You guys admit to it, by blaming 10 people who guested to LA. So your not saying I am wrong, your admitting I am right.

The fact is, when SOR and JQ fight each other as well as BG, BG has a chance to take first place if we push. You’ve rectified that mistake this week.

2v1s happen in this game, its designed around it in fact. I have absolutely no problems with it at all, I use it constantly when commanding.

My issue is with certain SOR guilds, and you know who you are, that PM the JQ commanders and decide on actions directly against BG.

I can tell the difference between a 2v1 of opportunity and coordination, and so can anyone else that understands how this game works. SM is undefended, with a wall down and paper gates with JQ at QL and you take a paper Durios instead, then push to Bravost? I get trying it once or even twice, but you had to run by the open wall in SM to get back to Bravost a fourth and fifth time. Actions like these are not 2v1s of opportunity.

Long term, however, it doesn’t matter all that much. We wiped both sides continually on EBG last night, our BG playerbase is leveling their new abilities much faster when tactics like that are used against us.

Blackgate takes it as a compliment you guys have to do things like this to beat us.

I honestly have no idea what to say about what is happening in EBG.

Anet should just open up SOR and JQ’s map chats so you can coordinate a little better.

Tam.3146:

Jedbacca.6297:

Like a pit of death, that’s what the SoR spawn area looked like on BG BL yesterday when I logged in. I got to pop tag for like 20 minutes for all of that nonsense, it was awesome. I swear there were like 200+ ppl there!

Its awesome if you meet such epic fight once or twice per today
But if ppl keeps doing that all day long. I think there is some problem on the design of system

Actually, back when fights like this REALLY happened, siegeing castles and so on, this is exactly what would happen in real life.

Get as many people together in one spot that you could, and kill the other side that is doing the same. Of course you have raiding parties and smaller fights, but each is less effective without the other (large force and small force).

Any game that encourages people to act similar to how they acted in reality is pretty cool in my book.

Great fights in bay in BGBL. We wanted to flip hills SOR, but after you kept hitting garrison, so double team for you, and you lost your waypoint.

Next time be sensitive to the 2v1 like JQ was. :P

Dr Zoidberg.2046:

I was only on for a couple hours tonight, but hell of a show in BGBL so far. Keep it up, ICoa!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yTOT22XX0VA

All of our fights on Reset night for the first three hours or so. Thanks to all who helped ICoa on BGBL on Friday. :P

Maybe next week it will go back to WvWvW.

Well, if last week proved anything, its that the fight isn’t over until the last few hours.

Good fights all night. ICoa, LW and friends sacked up, and took back our garrison from your hefty WvW buffs. :P No waypoint for you in our garrison! (At least not yet )

AGAIN if ram issues pop up, ICoa is willing to help destroy them for JQ. We’ll send in Fiesty. That way the next score update can be while the rams are being killed. lol

ICoa is willing to kill rams inside JQ keeps. We’ll figure something out to help you. Send me mail in game if its needed, we’ll work on it. Just please let me know

I’m excited for a true barn burner tomorrow. Who will push hard until reset? Who will wait until reset to push? Who will wait until the 26th?

Gonna be good fights for the next 12 hours. Everyone come get your piece.

Rams Endure lol

That kitten is golden.

The Tier 1 qq circuit was on its way around to 2v1, but has hit a recent detour at “Culling: Server side or Client side”

After a short pit stop there, we will return to your regularly scheduled QQ. Next up, post NA prim time Chest thumping, and then onto the eagerly anticipated 2v1.

Pvp.2758:

pot.6805:

Rule 17 of WvW
When your server leads in PPT it is obviously skill. When your enemy leads in PPT, it is quantity over quality.

Gaining 15k points overnight while SoR has 0 players online is not skill.

Again, if I were a leader of HIRE or OCX I would vote to move my guild to another server after reading this.

You guys are so disrespectful to your own server mates who have to fight an uphill climb every night to hold onto what your NA has done. Instead of applauding it you discount them at every turn in order to bolster your own “primetime’s” reputation.

I think Blackgate has more respect for your overnight crews than you do.

No wonder you have little SEA and Oceanic coverage.

Why HIRE would stay on your server when you NA players continually discount and disrespect their time slot and efforts is beyond me. Especially since their time slot isn’t “competitive”.

I missed the last three pages honestly, I was doing an internet purge diet and skipped the toxicity.

It is true that when SOR pushes they are a great NA team, I don’t see anyone denying that, at least I am not. Those four days you guys pushed and lead in much of NA.

The problem is, you guys don’t understand that when BG pushes they lead NA in PPT and when JQ pushes they lead NA in PPT. lol All three of our NA teams are very close. And it depends on how rested each time is, and how much they show up, like always, bodies.

I can’t say this enough: Its not night capping to players who live in a different part of the world. They deserve a chance to play this game we all enjoy as well. Its not their fault we are asleep.

This is Tier 1. All three servers have guilds on 24/7.

First off…I’ll remember this in a year. lol

Yes though, BGBL was a bit different than usual last night. LOTD and KOTA mostly stayed up north and was in charge of locking down garrison the towers and spiritholm. That left the 30 ICoa + maybe 5ish pugs/randoms to try to take hills. It was challenging for sure with a bit less and there is less leeway for mistakes if your going with the medium sized tactic verses the mega, but that made it kinda fun. We knew as long as we kept the pressure south, our friends back at Garrison were doing their job, and we got the first Waypoint on reset not in EBG. Mega zerg isn’t the only way. :P

SF, your havoc team did a good job of staying away from our zerg. I only remember catching you maybe twice all night. We tried to go after you for awhile, and realized you were best left alone, its a lot easier to find Hills, it doesn’t move. lol

Jahn.7019:

WRod.3856:

You quaggens took that post serious tho, and that the funny part.

EMP is officially the IKEA of JQ.

Now other guilds are starting to see how several SoR guilds really play this game and conduct themselves on the forums. ICoa has a ton of respect for EMP and vice versa it seems. We understand the position you guys are in currently. Your just the next guild they have set their sights on trolling.

They understand that if you say something enough times, people truly do start to believe it. Well, we don’t. Fight the good fight EMP lol. We’ll see you on the field.

LOL we can’t even start the thread in a civilized manner.

We don’t care about the score, just who starts the thread. lol

Good match, good thread (it wasn’t closed).

See you next week for the same old same old.

Tyaen.5148:

There is nothing ironic about the statement. Untruthful maybe.

Many people seem to not understand what irony is. I blame Alanis Morrisette.

Actually, I was mostly trying to bait Irony into chiming in. lol.

Does anyone else see the irony in:

“We WvW for the fights, not the real estate.”

Then go and purposefully (the fear member admitted it was on purpose not a mistake) ruin the one area of the game game we have set aside to concentrate on fights instead of capping objectives.

wondo.2870:

Proumbro.1376:

wondo.2870:

Some more Strike Force shenanigans tonight!

I present TEAM NECRO!
http://i.imgur.com/DnTFSYR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iTjMYlH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T3hKcbO.jpg

The only thing that would be more awesome is if you had a video of something hitting all those marks at once XD. I wonder what those marks would do to a keep lord :P

(referring to the first pic btw)

Yea we got some video, we’ll posted it when it’s edited soon!

In lords room Hills and in Rebriar choke points when we had all the marks down I targeted a brave person trying to traverse the madness and they had an instant 25 bleed stack on them plus a kittenload of other condi’s and just melted….evil lol.

To ICoa: your pimp mesmer that got past Necro Force in Redbriar deserves a kudos!

/bow

Wotah.2975:

JaredKincade.9761:

Wotah.2975:

wondo.2870:

Some more Strike Force shenanigans tonight!

I present TEAM NECRO!
http://i.imgur.com/DnTFSYR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iTjMYlH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T3hKcbO.jpg

I got quoted! Yar!

LOL we came up with a fun way to counter that mark craziness. Worked about 50% of the time at least.

It was good fun whislt in BGBL. The first time that I saw SF doing it was when we were taking Hills and I was watching inc coming from N door as people came in the door they just melted on the ground.

Then Briar same thing, but that pesky Asuran Mesmer got through.

And the multiple hold on Lake was good fun.

That pesky asuran mesmer was me! lol

I wont tell you how I did it though, it was very carefully calculated. We also got you at Greenlake once out of 2 times I think. I only made it up halfway that time, I died but not before I dropped the portal.

NERF NECRO! lol, those were absolutely ridiculous.

Wotah.2975:

wondo.2870:

Some more Strike Force shenanigans tonight!

I present TEAM NECRO!
http://i.imgur.com/DnTFSYR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iTjMYlH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T3hKcbO.jpg

I got quoted! Yar!

LOL we came up with a fun way to counter that mark craziness. Worked about 50% of the time at least.

In regards to the rating discussion:

It’s still early in the week. The rating now would only be the same by the end of the week if all three team’s scores remain relatively the same. SoR tends to have a larger turn out during the weekend if past weeks are any indication. OCX may alter that point gap a bit so we’ll have to see for sure. However, if JQ and BG surge ahead of SoR in weekly points, the rating will reflect that.

Good fights all night in BGBL. Thanks to all that followed me and helped retake the map and make her blue. I said I didn’t want to go to bed till we hit 400. And we did about 10 minutes ago lol.

Ah…no this was water gate at bay, the round one, not the one above water. This isn’t effected by the ram mechanic as this gate never goes down, but you can see through it.

Question:

This is a very serious question with no hidden agendas or accusations.

Is ressing through a watergate a dead mesmer who swam there while downed inside bay considered to be an exploit/frowned upon?

That fight for bay was awesome. Twelve hours I had my tag on to hold onto my baby. My favorite part of the night was “Once more into the breach!” when our wall went down. We almost had you wiped in the lords room, great push. Thanks to all who came to my rescue and helped throughout the night. Was great.

I’m looking at four cans of red bull and 8 cans of Dr. Pepper and a mostly empty bag of Nacho Cheese Doritos. It was a great night.

I swear to God I killed 40+ trebs at Garrison tonight.

AWESOME fights EMP. Very good fights. Even when one side won, it was very very close each time.

We had a ton of fun on our side, I hope you guys did too. That tree fight was crazy, I think a veteran spider did the most damage to me lol.

We look forward to more in the future.

tkalamba.2541:

Wow, I just realized we’re going to be Red next week…. I dont remember ever being red, this is going to be the biggest adjustment I’ve to make in WvW, too much being blue.

Agreed, same for BG. I’ve literally never been on the blue side. I started playing WvW right before BG went into Tier 1 the first time, and we’ve been green/red ever since.

Well ladies, work is a calling, but I will see you all at reset. This thread will be gone by then.

I just want to say how proud I am of all BG. While we relish the fight and hoped to bring it to JQ. I honestly didn’t expect this close a match so soon. We will continue to chip away at JQs rating week by week. We gave them the tiniest bit of a scare and reminded them that anyone could be beaten.

We golum rushed water gate and they beat us back at the lords room. Time to take Sunny, siege it up, and start trebbing those reinforced walls. It may take a little longer, but we’ll claim the prize. :P

See you tonight.

To Choo, from a commander and officer of ICoa.

I know we had some rough back and forth on the forums, both between myself and some individuals and as guilds.

But. I want to thank you guys for bringing it hard every day. To WvW in general and to ICoa specifically. It challenges us as a guild to continue to improve our play. Its what drives PVP types of games, fighting against other thinking human beings.

I can tell you the most fun I have EVER had in this game is when I know Choo is on the map with us, and of course when we fight. Its a rush of adrenaline and actually its pretty awe inspiring to see so many people, on both sides, working so well together. We’ve beaten you some of the time, and you’ve beaten us, so I know going into a fight we have got to be perfect if we have a chance, and that rush is what is so great.

The bottom line is, your guild has made this game more fun for myself and our guild, and I want to thank you guys for it. In fact, I volunteered our guild for BGBL on reset in hopes you guys would be there, and you didn’t let me down.

Now, in regards to this thread earlier in the week:

Last week is over. I can’t speak for my entire guild, however, I made a post or two I would re-word if I had the chance to do it over again.

The next thread is starting soon. I propose both sides make an attempt to keep it more civil here. Of course we can’t keep everyone from posting, but if we set an example of keeping our rivalry focused in the game, and in the fights, and less on trolling or chest thumping or whatever you want to call it here, I think it would be a positive thing for everyone who read this thread.

I’m sure everyone will continue to post videos of our fights with each other, I think that’s a really fun thing. However, if we keep in mind the BOTH guilds have put in a ton of work and effort to build what we have, it will be a lot easier to post replies that have a measure of respect in them, instead of dismissal, disrespect or plain old troll.

Anyway, I’m only one man, but hopefully next thread we can try to set an example to keep the conversations a bit more evolved than some of this week was. Hopefully.

See you guys on the field next week.

ceg.4875:

Gratz on retaking the lead JQ, “YOU ARE WHO WE THOUGHT YOU WERE!”

Great fights by SOR and JQ as well.

There’s still 18ish hours to go, and I have faith in my Blackgate Brethren!

We will fight to the death! Nonetheless, praise to the big guilds in BG as well as the small.

Support your ICOA, HB, KNT, FOE, AGG, etc, Whomever will lead you to fun!

Ceg – Ruin

Trikki.5803:

BG loves iCoa, have no doubt. You can trash them all you want, but they’re at home with us

Thank you.

Also, don’t hate hard on the new guy. He’s just trying to find his feet, and honestly I don’t think he said anything bad about BG at all.

We BG have to stick together. No stabbing each other in the back, or disrespecting each other’s guilds or members. We’ve come too far together for it, and I think that should include our new friends.

We have enough enemies without turning on each other, in forum or otherwise. I think its especially important to maintain good relations with guilds that you share a timezone with. Those are the guilds that should have your back in times of crises, like when your being double teamed in your fully upgraded garrison, or when your 48 hours from potentially your first server Tier 1 win.

Thats what our enemies want, to divide us. Lets not give it to them hmm?

;)

Peetee.9406:

Congrats JQ on taking the lead!

Guess there won’t be any chest thumping from ICoa this week, maybe next week bros. Keep at it!

Just look at pvp’s posting history. Every single post he makes it one troll/chest thump after another. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen on both sides, but stop pretending you guys are totally innocent. We all see it.

Since everyone suddenly got into posting match histories, is there a fight for Tier 1 that has ever ended this close? Its a fun one for sure.

Everyone on BG, at least the ones that know anything, knew JQ was going to be a very very tough nut to crack. I don’t think anyone considered our modest lead halfway through the week as proof we were headed for the win. We all know what JQ is capable of and were never resting on our lead at all.

The fact is, you guys on JQ know how to play. You grab the right PPT, leave the stuff you can’t take alone. You focus correctly and use the 2v1 (just so there is no mistake, I am complimenting you on this not complaining) correctly against your opponents. The thing I’m most impressed with, is your ability to jump from one map to another to save that keep, or to cap SM just in time. Your very efficient when your down a bit on numbers, and when you aren’t well its green horde!

Again, win or lose (and man it will be a nail bitter) BG’s number one goal was to be competitive against JQ in Tier 1. Blue color was a very close second goal. We’ve achieved both.

The real question is, how long can both sides keep up this close match type of fighting? We’ll know in about four weeks. :P

(Goes to take nap for tonight’s push…giggity)

mmmmmm……GOD I love….bag..els

Bagels with tons of cream cheese.

Sensitive much?

Mind wrack, mind wreck, either way its what this thread has turned into.

I’m looking forward to it too. There is a major shake up in the rankings in the works. Kain may pull up to Tier 1 in a week and a half if things continue down the road they are on.

It kinda depends on where SOS stops its freefall. If its in Tier 2, TC will have to beat FA back to get it. If its top spot in tier 3 then Tier 2 (at least for a week or two) will be SOR, FA and TC. Which I think would be a fun match for you guys.

Anyway, I didn’t want to let this thread get too far down :P

Maybe he means whipped?

FractalChaos.6539:

JaredKincade.9761:

For the record, the “skill clicker” is a member of ICoa, not a commander.

Oh and we are the red sox. lol

I also agree the rivalry in itself is pretty fun. Honestly your play has forced us, (we’ve faced you every night in Tier 1 at least for a portion of the night) to keep sharp. It makes us better for all other fights as well. I’m sure it does the same for you.

Having said that, you and I both know 2am is not an accurate measurement of “OMG WE ROXORED YOU, OMG THE BAGS”. So as Rawthorn said, we would like to GvG. Maybe you win, maybe we win. Either way it will be fun. And either way I know I’d like to do it more than once. I think its something this game is fundamentally lacking but something we can choose to participate in.

We’ll go 30 vs 30. Enough for a good fight, shouldn’t be too much skill lag if we do it south of the camp. We can count out both sides (not that either of us would EVER accuse the other of cheating). I think it would be fun, and thats what this is all about.

Though we should do it sooner rather than later. Or we may not get the chance.

Two guilds fighting with equal numbers…in a known setting…with foreknowledge. That’s in no way representative of WvW skill, where reacting rapidly to unexpected situations against possibly superior numbers can occur at any moment.

It’s in those situations you can recognize the good fighters.

What you’re proposing is just a face-saving measure. “Unless you accept our challenge, your claims are not true!”

Who cares if you or anyone else believes it? Stop worrying about your press and fight. If you’re as good as you say you are, people won’t believe any false propaganda anyways.

I’m not saying unless you accept our challenge your claims are untrue. We’ve wiped each other back and forth all week. We both have footage of wiping each other. Both have footage of OMG THE HUMANITY LOOK AT THE BAGS as in that last vid. What is there to save face on?

And you’ll notice no where in there did I say we’ll destroy you or anything else, I truly am interested in seeing what would happen. We all know with culling it can be hard to see who has more numbers, you guys may wipe us up, or we may have very very close fights or we may win, who knows, but we won’t unless we play. I asked cuz I thought it would be fun, not to “control the press”.

You guys GvG Agg. If you don’t want to GvG us well that is of course your right, and people can draw what conclusions they want from it.

18vs18 would be fine with us, whatever you guys want.

It just seem like first it was weekly score isn’t a measure of WvW skill, because of coverage, but SOR NA is best.
Then PPT in NA isn’t a measure of WvW skill of our NA, fights are.
Now even fights with foreknowledge of location aren’t a measure of WvW skill, only surprising your enemy with superior numbers is.

The offer is still open.

So, I have a question for you then. Its similar to a philosophy question I’ve heard once.

Say there is a naval ship, named Enterprise. Every time she goes back to port, a piece of the ship is replaced. The mast one trip, the rudder another. Until eventually she’s made up of entirely new wood. Then each piece that was taken from that ship was put together into a new ship. Which ship is the real Enterprise?

So a guild comes from another server and 100 people come in the transfer. When it gets to its new server all its officers and members are from the old server. Over the course of five months players come and go and the guild builds and grows. The officers and leaders slowly quit and are replaced with people that didn’t come in the transfer until there are only one or two original leaders.

Is that guild still a transfer after that long?

Is there a precurser named [Rock], because thats all I seem to be getting.

For the record, the “skill clicker” is a member of ICoa, not a commander.

Oh and we are the red sox. lol

I also agree the rivalry in itself is pretty fun. Honestly your play has forced us, (we’ve faced you every night in Tier 1 at least for a portion of the night) to keep sharp. It makes us better for all other fights as well. I’m sure it does the same for you.

Having said that, you and I both know 2am is not an accurate measurement of “OMG WE ROXORED YOU, OMG THE BAGS”. So as Rawthorn said, we would like to GvG. Maybe you win, maybe we win. Either way it will be fun. And either way I know I’d like to do it more than once. I think its something this game is fundamentally lacking but something we can choose to participate in.

We’ll go 30 vs 30. Enough for a good fight, shouldn’t be too much skill lag if we do it south of the camp. We can count out both sides (not that either of us would EVER accuse the other of cheating). I think it would be fun, and thats what this is all about.

Though we should do it sooner rather than later. Or we may not get the chance.

The Guild v Guild invite is still open if you want to try again with even numbers.

We’ll fight before 1am EST on a work day.

I hope you guys can keep up these huge numbers day after day week after week staying up this late. We’ll see you tomorrow.

Good fights tonight, you did have it.

Coverage doesn’t matter to us BG who play in Oceanic.

We just care about the fights.

TC! I feel for you guys. If you had been able to hold off FA from Tier 2 for just one more week, you two could be feeding off the SoS high ranking.

As it stands now, its gonna be a tough fight to get back up to Tier 2’s rating, but I know you guys can pull it off. :P

Zen.8497:

Let’s put an end to this non sense. It will take a while but it’s possible for a player to make in game gold to transfer to another server. Transferring guilds over short notice it is a complete different story because somebody needs to cover aside of guild upgrades alot of people that are not even ready.

Again, cuz you misread my last post:

It takes a day, maybe a day and a half of farming to get the gold required to transfer, that is under the assumption they didn’t already have a fund in their own guild bank or money in their personal banks. Thirty gold is easily accomplished on max two days notice for a mass guild transfer. Hell I have almost that just sitting in buy orders or my bank, I’d have the rest in about 2 hours.

All of our Tier 1 WvW guilds organize raid tactics in the ever changing complicated meta that is WvW. You think they aren’t organized enough they can’t get mass CoF runs going within their guild for a day or so to make enough money to come over?

Its not a conspiracy, people had or made enough gold to come over themselves in the vast majority of the cases. Irony’s link explains the minority.

You realize its pretty easy to make 30 gold in less than a day? Its a pain in the butt, you need 4 other committed people, but its not hard, just a grind.

(Let me be very clear on this next section. Its in reference to a previous BG member, not anything else)

As for Blackgate not deserving to be in tier 1. BG is the only server that has fallen out of Tier 1 and not free falled into obscurity. And we did it twice! We never lost more than a single placement in the rankings and that was during free transfers. Were we ready to be first place Tier 1? No, but we fought for our placement, and earned that placement. When we couldn’t hold it, we dropped back, re-organized, re-armed, shed some of our dead weight and charged right back into Tier 1 again. This is our third run in Tier 1, when no other servers have had a second run.

So, now, we don’t just have the couple of guilds from SoS with Tier 1 experience. We have our entire server with Tier 1 experience. Many of us know that the war isn’t won in the first weekend, or even in the first week. JQ has shown its possible (even before the mass transfers) for one server to maintain a presence in Tier 1 in the long run. I think BG means to follow their example.

Oh and beat them if we can :P

LOL I knew you’d chime in. That’s the first thing I thought of when I read that too. ha ha

“Rangers: Sadly I couldn’t find their strength in today’s large scale metagame.

Engineers: Sadly I couldn’t find their strength in today’s large scale metagame."

We did. :P Its there, you have to look, but its there.

But I agree to your overall post. The strategy and tactics in required in the “mindless zerg ball” are insane. Every single profession has a role, in fact, we use a 9 profession count. A lot of success of your night depends on how your class balance ends up on the field.

These fights are the most fun I’ve had in any game, and if you were a part of an organized team that focused on them, I think you’d agree.

I think we all had crazy lag in that SM fight. I’d start trying to drop my null field right away, as it took 30 seconds and was back up from CD by the time it dropped. :P