Guild Wars 2

BladeWaker.9716:

[ICoa] finally had it’s chance at Tier 1 EB for the last 8 hours tonight.

We had a blast, and hopefully we’ll get to see more great competition in the future.

Yes, tons of fun out there in EBG tonight. Our NA numbers started slipping badly around 12AM PST, and we lost SM, alas, the SEA presence is not strong with this one.

Still held SM for 8 hours and had some great great open field fights, really fun stuff.

I still cannot believe you guys from SOS hid in that corner of the dredge cave for so long. I was like “well they can’t still be there they’d have hit us by now” and as soon as I turned the zerg surprise!….lol And did you mean to keep building rams with your ballistas and arrow carts inside the cave? This must be a new strat we are unaware of. :P

To the new BG guild that transferred over, you allowed ICoa to go to EBG and KnT and EA to go to JQBL and shake things up. One guild transferred and allowed so much to happen because of it on BG’s side, thanks for the faith, we won’t stop fighting :P One more solid sized NA guild and BG will have a presence on all four maps nicely.

Good luck squeezing them in ;P

Liquid.9672:

JaredKincade.9761:

Black Gate is in the exact same boat, except you guys also picked up Never Die.

We picked up no one. On top of that SOR picked up the vast majority of what was left of SBI and we are getting squeezed between you guys. If SoR stayed the way it was and actually earned its rise in rating by gaining rating against SBI without the transfers, BG would have stayed in tier 1 for weeks, as it stands we will get pushed to tier 2 this week or next.

As bad as it seems for your first place team, its about 10x worse for us.

Bah. I play on BG, and I’d say “don’t be so negative”. Yeah, BG hasn’t been the beneficiary of much of the guild movements, but there have been a couple here and there and some individual players. There’s also still 5 days until free transfers end and anything can happen. Yes we will drop to T2 but it’s not the end of the world. We’ve been there before, and I’m confident we’ll see T1 again at some point. I’m personally excited to see some new servers in T2.

Sure SoR hit the lottery, and were in the right place at the right time, but in my opinion they earned it. Until last week they hadn’t won a match in 10 weeks, yet they never dropped a rank spot. Was it due to lack of any other competition? Maybe to a small degree, but it was mainly because they kept coming out every week even though they knew they were going to lose. They could have just quit at any time, but they didn’t. The same can be said for BG, who so far has been the only server kicked out of T1 that has not yet dropped below T2 (not counting SBI but, well, we know what’s going to happen … sorry).

Anyhoo my point is, there’s no reason to be bitter over the situation. With effort and confidence, things have a way of working out.

Ah, please do not confuse my attempt at adding perspective to Ohai’s post as being negative. I am very positive about BG and will remain so. That was a state the facts post more than anything else and definitely not bitter.

I actually feel great for BG’s WvW. Our core was tested and held up well, at this point we need to keep adding to the core of our WvW base, continue to train and improve no matter if we are in 3rd or 4th place in the overall rankings. The Tier 1 point spread is very close, closer than any of the top 5 Tiers, and that’s a result of everyone in BG who put in the time this week and last, from our core guilds to the lowest leveled pug who ran yaks, we all contributed and earned it.

I do not think a potential move back to Tier 2 would mean much in the long run to BG. We’ve weathered it once, we will do again and be back. There will be no repeat of what happened to SBI for us.

Ohai.8346:

Wotah.2975:

Ohai.8346:

If i were a betting man id say JQ will win this game. Taking advantage of SoS’ lack of euro timezone then turtling up behind their walls through NA. Took them 7 guild xfers, but i think theyve got this one if it continues.

Oh really? I thought you said this earlier

Not gonna happen. Unless JQ mass recruit skilled oceanics and do blackouts for the next month getting them in, they’re gonna lose every week to the superior oceanic forces of SoS.
JQ pull ahead only in euro timezones, around noon central. But thats it. Also when RG move away again, and when PRX move again when they lose (confirmed as being considered), then its 2nd place at best for JQ.

Sooo now you’re wrong? I just don’t get your posts sometimes.

Besides the obvious fact that you try modes of disinformation to see if anything sticks.

How am i wrong? The mass recruit happened, a minimum of 7 large WvW guilds poured in and is stopping SoS from retaking what JQ take in euro hours.
Next week it wont be so easy to cap everything when MERC etc go to bed.

Black Gate is in the exact same boat, except you guys also picked up Never Die.

We picked up no one. On top of that SOR picked up the vast majority of what was left of SBI and we are getting squeezed between you guys. If SoR stayed the way it was and actually earned its rise in rating by gaining rating against SBI without the transfers, BG would have stayed in tier 1 for weeks, as it stands we will get pushed to tier 2 this week or next.

As bad as it seems for your first place team, its about 10x worse for us.

Tier 1 has the tightest grouping of scores of any of the top 5 tiers. They really have been great fights all week.

Last night on our VOIP on BGBL:

“Ten JQ hitting north hills. Never mind, they retreated.”

“Jade Quarry are easily startled, but they will be back, and in greater numbers.”

“Jade Quarry always run single file, and use culling to hide thier strength and numbers.”

“And these guild strikes, too accurate for Jade Quarry, only Sea of Sorrows are this precise”.

BG was in Tier 1. We dropped down to Tier 2. We focused, regrouped, recruited, strengthened and now are back in Tier 1. Seems obvious until you watch VH1s “Tier 1 servers, where are they now? SBI”. <——Answer, SOR

The time is rapidly approaching that all WvW guilds will likely be consolidating to the top few servers while it is still free.

The JQ blackout was obvious last night. You guys finish getting SF and PRX in the fold?

There are many other guilds out there across all servers, BG has shown its not going anywhere. The core guilds we have fighting in Tier 1 every night are here to stay, you know who they are. Do we have holes? Yes, we do, but we fight regardless while we recruit for those holes.

To any guilds looking to transfer to BG, we don’t need to pull a mass blackout like the other two Tier 1, just let us know during Aussie primetime and all our NA can go to bed before 2am, you’ll have plenty of space to move in lol.

The perspective of the poster has a lot to do with what timezone they usually play in ha. I bet me im not is EU yes?

I’m not convinced all the transfer numbers have made it in yet. Seems to be trickling in.

Thats exactly how I feel Riven. Blackgate has been my home since day one. No transfers no hopping. I and my guild are on Blackgate for the long haul, we may not have the reputation of one the kitten unstoppable guilds in WvW just yet, but we are fighting in BGBL every night to push back the tide. Just as KnT fights every night in EBG.

We aren’t going anywhere.

LOL

If you look closely you will see what is happening.

So SBI’s guilds jumped to SOR. Several very solid and experienced guilds jumped to JQ. SoS picks up ND. BG? Nothing. No transfers, no new guilds. So here is what happens.

BG has to keep it close to JQ to keep our rating going up. Which we have been. BGs rating has been positive for what, 10? 12? weeks in a row. We gain a little bit every week in tier 2, and we gained rating last week, and so far this week are up a bit more while JQ is down a bit.

Then the mass transfers to JQ is going to bring that little gain we have back to even or worse.

All the while, SBI guilds flock to SOR in tier 2. What this does is take advantage of the Sucko system because SBI had a very high rating compared to SOR two weeks ago. Now that is a phoney rating because the guilds are no longer on SBI, but are on SOR. So the system thinks that SOR suddenly got super good, and SBI super bad, and is adjusting the rating accordingly by skyrocketing SOR up in rating.

The rating the blackgate slowly earned each and every week is has been achieved by SOR in two weeks. Now for the rest of the week, JQ will make sure to keep BG down (rightfully so, its war) with all the new guilds they just picked up, and it will make room for SOR who now has the combined forces of SBI added to what they had before to move into tier 1.

So, end result, because of transfers, it has blown 10 weeks of work from blackgate to get into tier 1. If we don’t drop back this week, we will the week after unless we get transfers of our own.

Now whats left? The top six servers are now SOS, JQ, SOR, BG SBI and TC.

Even without transfers, BG put up great fights in Tier 1, a good Tier 1 contender if it wasn’t for the mass transfers.

Now we are going to be left with four heavy WVW servers. Depending on how SoR does in Tier 1, BG and SOR may flip back and forth until a new rival joins the pack, whether it be TC or FA or Maguuma etc….

Its frustrating, but SoR timed their move right and got the transfers to move to Tier 1 either this week or next.

We’ll see what happens, but I think this is how it will play out.

Usually not mindless, but if you got on the VoIP that the guilds were on, you’d see what you are missing.

PuGs upgrade camps to guards when the zerg is walking up needing supply. PuGs dps down a gate when the wall is down around the corner. PuGs take supply from a keep and repair a wall that is being trebbed. PuGs attack polar bears when the zerg is running by and pop orange swords. PuGs run dps single target specs and gear and get nuked in a zerg. PuGs run in and try to solo a guild claimer with the buff.

The best players of PuGs end up joining WvW guilds, keeping the average skill level of the group lower, because the better ones leave the group.

You, being on the WvW forums, at least somewhat knowledgeable and yet not in a WvW guild are the exception, not the rule.

coronbale.3894:

Smokee.1754:

Dear TSym – Come out and fight please. We are not going to have fun with you in a supply camp, next to your spawn with 20 ballistas set up. Get roaming, who knows you might end up having some fun. I hear that JQ will have some guilds out here doing the same.

Dear HB – We will never fight you, because you are on a diffrent time zone than us. When you are 100% we had 9 on, when we are 100% you are nowhere to be found (probably sleeping). Suffice it to say, we kept a camp away from you when you outnumbered us 6:1, well take that!

Anytime your team wants to dance NA prime time, come and get it. You use strats similar to WM in open field, and while we workshopped a counter to it, WM left before we could try it out. Eager to see how it fares!

TSYM doesn’t log on at reset? (curios not being a jerk) HB stays up late late on reset night.

zen.6091:

Pretty good fights last night on SoSBL. I am not sure if it’s luck, coordination, or a bit of both on our side sometimes. JQ was very close to capping sunny at one point, which is usually a clusterkitten trying to retake, even with paper walls, if it is properly siege capped. BG’s first golem rush on garrison took us totally by surprise shortly after that; we had zero siege built in lord room and less than ten players when the inner gate was melting.

It was fun, I was screaming for one more timewarp, would have been much closer :P

I think JQ only really pushed Sunny once or twice. We attempted to give them opportunity after opportunity to hit you, alas, they chose not to. So we went after them instead. Good fights all night, was fun.

If you guys repaired you gates and walls, we wouldn’t keep coming back. :P

Two golums a rush does not make.

Churchill.8714:

pot.6805:

LOL @ the SIX freaking commanders to take a keep that was “given” to you.

Well to be fair, ICOA portal bombed a ballista and got wiped so yeah.

Funny how we wiped the instant that ballista went down. No downed or anything. We double ported back inside inner buddy.

You mention time and time again “ty for the bags” like the troll you are. How many times did we wipe you at Hills? You were on inner, had the lord down 2 hours after reset, you couldn’t get it done, now THOSE were bags. INSTEAD it took your SEA coverage 5 hours later to start logging in, when ICoa was starting to go to bed after 7 hours of WvW. Keep beating your chest, there were less than 20 ICoa in keep when you took it from us.

In fact, you refused to attack bay so many times we decided to take BlueBriar and make it easy for you by cutting off JQ spawn, and what did you do? Stop fighting for bay inner and come and try to wipe us lol. BTW, how are those trebs on Fog?

Why don’t you post your screen when you can take a keep from us during NA primetime.

Leave your crap out of this thread, it was a tight back and forth all night and a good fight. If your going to start it, I’m going to finish it. I hope you enjoyed your bags, we enjoyed ours.

BG not good enough…well whenever we have a presence on all four maps, we take the lead. Reset night showed this, as does the EU/NA overlap. Our EU consistantly leads in PPT thanks to HB and others. Our NA currently has two large guilds (ICoa and KnT) and two smaller guids (EA and RK) and (I’m sure I’m missing some, if I forget you I apologize) we keep the fight hard, but we can’t be everyone at once. KnT has been holding EB and ICoa in BGBL. We win the fights we engage in, we defend our keeps when we are logged in. We just don’t have the third guild we need to take the fight to SoS borderlands during NA except on reset night.

One good medium to large guild in NA tips the balance. Thats eight more hours a day that BG cuts a PPT deficit of 100-150 points to even or slight lead against SoS. Thats enough to put us in second place combined with EUs lead in their timeslot.

I can’t speak a lot about Oceanic because I’m usually asleep, but you know we have some of the best Oceanic as well with Thai, Urge ND DS LLB the list goes on.

The irony is, I truly believe BG is one solid guild away from making Tier 1 a very very tight race.

But, it doesn’t bother me that one of the big guilds hasn’t come over. That’s fine. BG will continue to bring it until the last day every week. We’ve been in Tier 1, it wasn’t pretty. What did we do? We regrouped, trained up, recruited and now, we are back and much stronger when so many other tier 1 drops have continued their downward spiral. That tells you that BG has a core group of guilds that aren’t going anywhere, and this term in Tier 1, no matter how long it lasts, will be no different.

We may not bring fights to all maps 24/7 currently, but the ones we do, we bring it hard.

Gratz to you guys for picking up good guilds.

Looks like BG will have its back to the wall, that’s ok, we like it that way.

(looks around for BG’s surprise last minute guild transfer anyway) :P

Fuzzion.2504:

BG players are so bad I cant stop laughing after killing each one. I guess they were too used to playing in noob tier 2.

Your powers of observation and communication are beyond reproach.

I think the reality is, the new breakout event has made it more undesirable for the bottom two teams to hit each others towers in the south. Why spend valuable time taking a t3 tower when they’ll just get 10 people to stand in one spot and get free supply and siege and take back that tower? Its forcing a 2v1 against yourself. So instead, each bottom team tends to go north, looking to double team the garrison.

Problem is, SoS does a great job keeping its borderlands undercontrol, so they don’t get 2v1 as much. And JQ hits back on BG first on its borderland because hey, BG doesn’t have the numbers to field 3 maps right now fully, there is usually only 15-20 at most on JQ BL, so BG gets kicked out of JQ BL first, and I don’t blame them.

So where does that leave BG? Trying to defend against JQ and SoS on our BL, being in the position that is set up for a 2v1 that other servers aren’t in because of the reasons I just said.

BG ends up doing most of its fighting on BGBL and EB, the 2v1 capital of the game (always has been).

If BG wants to pull out of this cycle, we have to get more forces on another map, use the structure of BL that encourages 2v1 against garrison team.

You know what the most shocking part of that picture is?

A JQ commander at Greenbriar.

I KID I KID lol

zhonnika? That was me in command some of the most fun we’ve had in a long time. Thanks to all ICoa and BGBL pugs that kept the fight hard and followed me back and forth, and back and forth across the map all night tonight in BGBL.

We also had some very close calls at garrison as well. To the AGG Commander who double mesmer ported into our lords room, you owe me a new pair of pants.

Its funny, we started off with a bang at reset, with all 4 maps at full queue, and gained a lead. I just have no idea where the numbers have gone in our coverage, often we can’t fill 2 maps during primetimes.

I think our guilds are doing great, getting stronger, good commanders, at least the big ones are. Lots of medium sized guilds running strike teams, or defense/offense map sides. I just am not sure where our irregulars are after Saturday. Still Blackgate has a reputation of never quit, and the guilds are upholding that every day. Keep up the fight, we still gained rating this week.

Not gonna read the whole thread but:

Good job SoR on what seems like a locked green color for next week.

I’ll tell you, the only reason ICoa can stand up to AGG at all is the rounds we went against Choo for so long. You guys deserve to move up a place, good luck getting used to the new names on your BL, it sucks…

And I can’t tell you how many times i’ve auto ran into a green camp, and can’t figure out why I can’t pick up supply or why the claimer is hitting me lol.

I’d love to see a BG/SOS/SOR thread one day soon. :P

Give us a few weeks to settle in, we’ll see what happens.

Well, ICoa is in BG. And I don’t think we plan on leaving any time soon.

Sad we can’t field one BL with a queue. Alas it is what it is. Good fights though, we had Garrison halfway ticked to cap. Your reinforcements arrived just in time with superior arrowcarts lol.

To the T2 starting stuff in here. That was in response to your people trying to organize an official 2v1 against us. Please check your facts. TY.

It is as I have feared. This thread is boring without SoR to goad us BG into long wall of text rants about the nature of coverage or how the Glicko rating system works.

For shame SoS and JQ, for SHAME!

Many of those who started WvW while BG was in tier 2 don’t realize how EB is meant to be played because, well frankly the servers in tier 2 took it harder to us in the BL than they did in EB. We would hold SM for the entire week sometimes. That simply won’t happen in tier 1 against severs with a bit more EB pride.

EB more than BL is essentially set up for 2v1ing. Don’t sweat it fellow Blackgateian.

Late last night….JQ BL….one tick…ONE TICK on bay. Alas, so sad.

Reset nights are super fun, but we all know that what wins the week, is the numbers you can consistently pull all day through the week days.

Oh yes, and skill. :P

Ardon.4105:

I for one am not looking forward to being red. Lowlands keep is best keep.

Well, we’ll just have to do something about that next week then.

Durakone.5237:

Ethan Mccloud.3218:

@Spartanx ..
O.S.H.A will be by later in Garrison to Demo safetly regulations for owning an operating a treb/arrowcart/catapult/ram. that eye incident will not go unpunnished.

afterwards all are invited to a 2 drink min mixer over in Godsword.. hell Thats where everyone goes to anyway ..Gates and doors unlocked as always. Vets outside will show u in and then promptly die at your feet.
GWen
Tarnished Coast Defender

This is the best post in the history of GW2 forums.

/Don’t forget to wipe your feet on our imported quaggan shaman and please sample the dolyak on your visit. (Fort Aspenwood said it was to die for.)

LOL

covenn.7165:

JaredKincade.9761:

covenn.7165:

pot.6805:

We did lockdown reset. Sor was ticking at less then 130 ppt for hours. Pretty easy to do. Keep tw locked down in bg bl defending bay for hours while we take your stuff elsewhere. We had your garrison in sor bl and your keep in ebg before oceanic even started. It was so bad the cries of 2v1 started immediately.

Not sure what you are talking about, by the time I logged we were well ahead in points. Keep breast thumping though and complaining about why you get so much hate for your server. It amuses me.

When were you well ahead in points? Look at the first two score updates in this thread.

<and a whole lot of stuff that irrelevant>

I said points not score. I have always maintained that I care less about total score, because the only thing I have some control over is PPT during the times I am actually online. It should be obvious to you what I am referring to and thus my statement is accurate.

You gain score by a consistant point lead. After 3.5 hours, we had score lead of 800. Thats an average point lead of 57 per tick. Did you lead in points for 30 minutes? So no, still inaccurate.

Xinthai.6175:

One hour later. Good thing we only have the points per turn lead during Oceanic/SEA times!

PST still has an hour before midnight. Didn’t they tell you that’s the new oceanic?

covenn.7165:

pot.6805:

We did lockdown reset. Sor was ticking at less then 130 ppt for hours. Pretty easy to do. Keep tw locked down in bg bl defending bay for hours while we take your stuff elsewhere. We had your garrison in sor bl and your keep in ebg before oceanic even started. It was so bad the cries of 2v1 started immediately.

Not sure what you are talking about, by the time I logged we were well ahead in points. Keep breast thumping though and complaining about why you get so much hate for your server. It amuses me.

When were you well ahead in points? Look at the first two score updates in this thread.

At 3.5 hours after reset, BG was ahead by 800. An hour later, ahead by 1400. Don’t change the facts to fit your point, because its just not true.

SoR’s NA is good, its very good. But BGs NA holds it close every night, and on reset, this week, our NA beat your NA. That is the fact. Last night your NA beat our NA. That is also the fact. My point is our NA’s are very close, and it depends on who’s server shows up that night. But stop pretending that SoR’s NA demolishes ours and its only because of our Oceanics that we win, because that’s just not true.

Just because I point out inaccuracies in your statements that are score corrections, you label it “chest thumping” and dismiss what I’m saying. Its an ad hominem fallacy and a cheap debate tactic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Caelib.2497:

I find it really amusing that during primetime, when the numbers are even in most Borderlands … Blackgate is usually in last place. Then, when America is sleeping and Blackgate doesn’t actually have to face any players, they gain all of their points. Doesn’t that make everyone on the Blackgate server feel dirty? That all of your points are gained by non-competition? If you ever move up to Tier 1 … it’s going to be a very sobering experience for you.

Thats not how I remember reset going this week.

The truth is, Rivin is exactly right. During reset, which is the start of SoR’s NA east coast primetime, but two to three hours until BGs NA west coast prime time, the numbers are very very close, on this weeks reset I believe we lead from the beginning. However, on a normal work day, BG strong numbers don’t start showing up until 2 hours after reset would have been (6 pm PST). By this time, hills and DB are almost always taken in BGBL and at least one wall is down on garrison, and everyone is scrambling to fight back. If its a hard push, and garrison is taken by 9pm Est, you own it until 1am est. Then you go to bed thinking, “here comes the PvDoor from Oceanic” Problem with that is, that its only 10pm PST. Many of us got on later than you, and so we stay on later than you.

You have to stay up to 3am PST to see the Oceanic commanders start to log in and get them rolling. Thats 6am to the SoR heavy hitters. Between when you go to bed, and 6am EST, its still BG’s NA primetime thats taking what you took while WE were at work.

Again, this is somewhat lessened during reset, as the BG NA strive to be on at 4PM.

covenn.7165:

You are getting mixed up. I never said anyone should make an alliance. It might make sense, but I would rather stand on my own feet. Anyways quote me where I said otherwise, or edit your post to reflect reality.

I edited that post, I was mistaken.

Long night staying up late to PvDoor.

Mikitten058:

I hate to say it but there seems to be a big attitude difference between servers.

TC plays for the fights, winning isn’t as high on the list as fights.
SoR plays for the fights, winning isn’t as high on the list as the fights.
BG from this thread seems to only care about winning, with good fights 2nd or whatever.

At least that’s how I’ve been viewing all the “TC should attack SoR” posts and such. It seems BG wants to have TC fight SoR and vice versa more then fight BG, however TC/SoR really seem to not care as long as there are super fun fights, win or lose, who their enemy is.

I mean in reality, what does coming in 1st do? nothing other then grow an ego complex for some.
When you play for the fights, you play for the long term win or lose.

(Note it’s only my opinion, so take it or leave it.)
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Also, I’d still like to be contacted by a TC commander who was on SoR BL tonight. (No one ever got a hold of me earlier.)

And only a week after members of both sides called for TC/SoR alliance. And in this thread several laying out these amazingly complex reasons for why TC and SoR should double team BG.

We just give back what you start.

EDIT: Corrected.

Lanthrudar.1437:

pot.6805:

tkalamba.2541:

Veltoss.9135:

I really hope TC/SoR focus more on each other and fight for second this time around rather than putting so much focus on BG. You guys won’t win that way. :<

Technically wont win focusing on each other anyways. The idea of focusing on the leader is to deprive them of getting the potential points they need. If we ignored you and went after each other, it more or less means you can do what you want. It makes no sense to focus on each other.

Doesn’t make sense for SoR because you are already in 2nd and want to keep it that way. BUT it does make sense for TC if they actually want to progress and move into 2nd place. Afterall, you have to be 2nd before you can become 1st. TC ignoring SoR only helps SoR hold 2nd place while it guarantees that TC will stay in third.

Well no.. If SOR and TC both only attacked BG, BG likely wouldn’t hold first. Your faulty logic may fool those with low IQ’s but some of us do have a brain.

How do you drag someone out of first so someone else can step in? Overwhelm them. All SOR attacking TC does is guarentee BG will win, again. Something apparently SOR doesn’t understand the concept of either…

I’m sorry, but this just isn’t true right now. The momentum is in BGs favor. If they did focus BG we would drop in rating, but the oceanic and EU is too strong in BG right now, even against the double team. Its all good though, you can if you want. Everyone knows BG’s main beef is with SoR. When TC hits us, we hit them back. Look, every commander is going to take the points he believes he can take, regardeless of what color. For BG, if its even, we just pick blue first.

Burl.9567:

Melpomene.2367:

Blackgate might have won, but I think the title of “winner” should go to TC. BG clearly outnumbered TC when they were attacking the worm but TC came in, wiped BG, then took the worm for themselves. Ahhhh, that victory tasted so good.

SoR clearly lacks the coverage during this time to even make a play at the worm. PvWorm more TC and BG. Quit thumping your chests due to a clear coverage issue.

Burl,

This is the funniest post I’ve read in a long time.

(Grabs popcorn)

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

Choo is flattered that ICoa looks up to us so highly to use our own WvW builds!

ICoa is flattered Choo looks up to us to much you’re in our forums!

(Pokes in head to see if tier 1’s score thread is as nasty as tier 2’s)
—Friendly neighborhood Blackgate Counter Troll.

(Goes back to hacking, PvDooring, having only good coverage but bad skills like every green colored team in WvW)

Covenn,

Way to pick out individual sentences of all my posts to take them all out of context. lols

urzen.7096:

Jahn.7019:

SoR you guys do have a solid NA I must say, I am impressed by the quality of your play and your resiliency. Can’t say about T1, but SoR probably has the best NA of anyone T2 and below, without question.

I think it’s fair to say most servers would have given up after 7 weeks of eating BG coverage.

Heck, probably after even month of it.

Many of us just play for the fun of each battle, and arent worried about the longer term war. We can only play for so many hours, and cant control what goes on when we arent here. So we do the best we can in the time we play, get as many points as we can and then leave it to someone else after we leave. Its not like you get anything for winning WvW anyway.

Untrue, you get flamed.

Xirin.8593:

JaredKincade.9761:

BG does have an edge in recruitment its true. I wonder if it as anything to do with percieved attitudes on this forum.

Case in point:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/An-open-letter-to-Blackgate-from-SoR/first#post1131037

Except for reset night, on paper gates, NA SOR is very close to even with NA BG, usually between 75-150 PPT each NA primetime. There is an edge there for sure, but I hardly would call it dominance (Has blue keep in EBG been flipped in the past 6 weeks? Maybe, I just don’t remember). These are the fights that I think has prepared us the most for tier 1. It is preparing BG NA. This week at reset is a good example. The double team (not complaining, its a fair tactic and is used effectively) was in full effect on BGs paper gates, and ownage did ensue. Then KnT made a move to SoR BL and took the fight back, taking SoR garrison and Hills (waypointing it later) This caused several of SoRs best guilds to have to defend KnT’s advance and gave us a chance to retake BGBL before midnight PST. Its causing us to increase our skill level to catch up, and learn we have over the past few weeks. For that I thank Choo, and cough T…W… (ok I said it). As TC members have stated, its hard to get better, unless you’ve got a solid opponent to push you to it. They are getting better, as are we.

Again, there is no telling exactly how we will do once we get into tier 1, but I for one think we’ll hold our own, at least for a little while. (I’m sure I’ll get accused of chest thumping for that line). It will be NA’s job to keep it in striking distance for our massive Oceanic and our experienced EU to take it home. It is, after all, a team game. I think when you disregard the team aspect of WvW, you shortchange your other timezones. Perhaps that is one reason a few Oceanic have left SoR for BG?

In all honesty, we keep having the same conversation over and over, its tiresome. Maybe I’ll poke my head in next week, just to see how creative SoR’s forum posters get.

covenn.7165:

JaredKincade.9761:

The difference between what I say and (some not all) sor say, is that I dont call your server trash, or mindless zerg, or say how you are outmanuvered. In fact, ive repeatedly complimented choo and several TC guilds on their organization and effectiveness.

What I dont do, is allow posters to make untrue statements unchallenged. Is coverage a major factor in our score? Of course, I see no one denying this.

What I have an issue with is the assumption that we do not deserve our wins because of it, or it is somehow cheap tricks. SoR has just as much opportunity to recruit and build their guilds into multiple timeslot coverage.

Jared, you repeatedly point at the scoreboard. Then you repeatedly try to justify it by explaining that your server is magically doing something the other servers are not. When you do that, you are not only being fallacious, but demeaning. Your server isn’t doing anything the others arent. SoR cultivates its people too, you arent alone in that. Stop trying to pretend you are.

Put yourself in your opponents shoes and how do you expect them to react to that nonsense. Of course you are going to get flamed bro.

The only time i referenced the scoreboard was in direct response to someone saying we were being stupid by winning too much.

You accuse me of being demeaning when I have never dissed SoRs skill or tactics on the battleground. Again, Ive stated the opposite about several guilds from either server.

BG does have an edge in recruitment its true. I wonder if it as anything to do with percieved attitudes on this forum.

The difference between what I say and (some not all) sor say, is that I dont call your server trash, or mindless zerg, or say how you are outmanuvered. In fact, ive repeatedly complimented choo and several TC guilds on their organization and effectiveness.

What I dont do, is allow posters to make untrue statements unchallenged. Is coverage a major factor in our score? Of course, I see no one denying this.

What I have an issue with is the assumption that we do not deserve our wins because of it, or it is somehow cheap tricks. SoR has just as much opportunity to recruit and build their guilds into multiple timeslot coverage.

Ardon.4105:

JaredKincade.9761:

I find it hilarious you continue to refer to a server with hundreds of individual WvW players as if it has one consciousness. You guys haven’t noticed less major guild zergs later in the week? Most of the top NA guilds at least (can’t speak for Oceanic as I’m sleeping) are taking breaks. Sure we log in to mess around, but we aren’t turning on our serious voices, or using superior siege. All of this and the stomp continues.

This is what happens when a server is truly ready for tier 1. The good guilds and commanders lead the way early in the week, work hard for our gain. And the pugs and commanders in training take up the torch later in the week to let the big boys rest up. This is how we don’t get frazzled out.

When we make it to tier 1, I think people may be surprised how well we do. Again, as for myself, we’ll make it when we make it, at this point there is no rush, and our server is having fun right where it is.

BeastGate for life.

I for one find it hilarious that you speak of a server with dozens of WvW guilds as if you represent them. It might be a good idea to tone down the bravado. Not only does the way you chose to phrase your comment make you sound like an kitten , it makes us all sound that way.

It seems like you genuinely love being on Blackgate like many of us do, so please, try to ensure what you say doesn’t come at the expense of this server’s reputation. We already have enough people doing that.

I get it, sure. Words like stomp may have been in poor taste. Maybe Im just sick and tired of the weeks and weeks of constant hate. Its good to see us show it in the score.

Im not speaking for the server as a whole, Im speaking from my personal observations when I refer to taking a break in the back half of the week.

I dont think its bravado to point out we are ready for tier 1, especially after so many week after week posts calling us out as weak, or that if we truly deserved to be there we wouldnt allow SoR to keep it close. Then this week, people start telling us we are winning wrong, not being patient, not knowing how the glicko system works, winning by too much. Pointing out the hypocracy is all Im after.

Sure Ive got server pride, thats the only thing to fight for with the current reward system. If anything the server pride I show does represent the dozens of guilds in blackgate, because we all share it.

Kerithlan.1659:

Dredrum.2563:

A Treaty won’t save SoR/TC your servers honestly don’t have the round the clock coverage that blackgate does. Recruit more Oceanic WvW’rs. Coming from a blackgate original I was there when the server went to t1 and it wasn’t pretty, the zergs were bigger the exploits were way more often. I’m honestly quite happy staying in the t2 bracket. So Sor/TC you want to make a treaty maybe you should make a treaty to throw in the towel and ensure blackgate moves up a tier cause we got no problem leading t2 bracket week after week, and this isn’t because we are more skilled it is just a numbers game in our favor.

Don’t drown us in your bravado, you’ll be losing points next week. We don’t even have to do anything for that to happen, as you’ve done it to yourselves.

Edit: In fact if you had been patient you’d be moving up to Tier 1 after next week with the way SBI has been falling after getting hit by a transfer exodus, but instead you’re with us for another two weeks at least. Maybe more if SBI gets some reinforcements.

I find it hilarious you continue to refer to a server with hundreds of individual WvW players as if it has one consciousness. You guys haven’t noticed less major guild zergs later in the week? Most of the top NA guilds at least (can’t speak for Oceanic as I’m sleeping) are taking breaks. Sure we log in to mess around, but we aren’t turning on our serious voices, or using superior siege. All of this and the stomp continues.

This is what happens when a server is truly ready for tier 1. The good guilds and commanders lead the way early in the week, work hard for our gain. And the pugs and commanders in training take up the torch later in the week to let the big boys rest up. This is how we don’t get frazzled out.

When we make it to tier 1, I think people may be surprised how well we do. Again, as for myself, we’ll make it when we make it, at this point there is no rush, and our server is having fun right where it is.

BeastGate for life.

Durakone.5237:

I think anyone is perfectly in their rights to point out why an alliance is a good idea. I was not aware that a handful of forum frequenters had self-appointed themselves the TC or SoR representatives. I suppose that’s why I’m not worried about who thinks they represent us on the forums because no one does, everyone gets a say. TC rolls however it rolls. You can say we don’t form alliances all you want but the fact is that in the past we haven’t needed to. You even recalled that we actually -have- had alliances which demonstrates the capacity for another.

In this new match-up, our old tactics no longer work to keep us competitive. While we do have a lot of great veteran commanders, we haven’t had any lasting success since we moved into this tier because of factors we can’t control like the strong night attrition despite having experienced it before with CD. What we can control is the focus of our efforts.

Anyone who’s ever played a simple game of Risk understands that the worst course of action is for TC and SoR to continue fighting each other while BG is neglected and steamrolls everyone. This is an opportunity that screams for us to be tactical in our approach. It bears repeating that forming a temporary alliance because we’re outnumbered doesn’t make us weak, it makes us strategic, something which I generally felt distinguished us from opponents in the past.

Anyone who agrees should feel free to post support here to let others know that there are both TC and SoR people who intend not to fight each other, at least until the bigger threat is abated. Its just as simple as that and should continue if BG doesn’t move up or TC doesn’t move down. There’s no such thing as an official alliance… we get it… But every person can still vote with their actions and lead by example. I’ve chosen to ally or ignore SoR until BG is consistently pushed down. Rule of thumb is that SoR is not kill on site unless I’m seriously attacked or defending territory needed to bring the fight to BG.

Two issues with this:

First, Risk is never simple.

Second, BG will never be consistently pushed down, even if you do get everyone to ally. We are on the way to tier 1, its just a matter of time at this point.

What TC should really do, is take advantage of BGs dislike of SOR and use it to push themselves one step closer. You can’t be fourth until your fifth anyway. Because if you wait, and BG moves to Tier 1, your going to have a green team that won’t be willing to ignore you in favor of the server we love to hate.

Why doesn’t TC become blue team, before you worry about being green team tier 2, and stop fighting SoR’s fights for them. Your just helping yourselves stay in the same place you are now.

phaneo.4597:

I’ve been more in a watching-mode this week, than direct posting mode since some of the posts are so facepalm-worthy. Sure, you bought the game and its your own keyboard so you can type what you want or play the way you want. But to those few TC posts about some possible non-aggression towards SoR, first of all – was it agreed at server-wide level? If not, pls don’t try to post it as if it has been agreed upon so as to avoid any confusions. If there’s anything agreed upon, I’d like to have regular commanders comment on this – I see SoR has denied anything of sorts and TC regulars didn’t mention anything yet.

To my knowledge, we’ve been doing good so far despite having many people still on vacations, and the same can be said for all 3 servers. I don’t see the need or desperation to call for an alliance yet when none of the 3 servers are at their full capacity with the holidays, and all 3 servers holding their ground well so far. It’s only our 2nd week in this tier and we’re still in the “testing the waters” mode while bringing our best fights with current numbers against these both.

BG & SoR seems to have some bad blood between themselves, and I’ll leave it at that for them to deal with each other. We really don’t have to ask any particular server to only focus on one enemy and not fight us while we’re dealing with both of them, it’s their choice and their willingness whether to aim for 1st or settle at 2nd or whatever.

Honestly, I haven’t seen these posters make a single post here in the past representing TC and suddenly they come over here asking for alliances and stuff – I mean not sure if these are new transfers or just someone who has nothing to do with TC just posting something to make us look weak and are not aware of how TC rolls in general. We don’t back off from a fight, nor do we have to request other server to not attack us (except if its a peacewalk or JP or something like that). We got good strong people willing to stand up and fight by themselves and some great commanders who can lead their team to some epic battles.
Edit:- The energy spent here is better off spent on bumping our recruitment thread so we get more Oceanic coverage and have better fights instead of asking an enemy to ally with us, which always would end up badly, because majority of your or their server isn’t aware of such “truce” and ending up in unnecessary bad blood.

This is a great post.

If I came off as grouping all of TC with the few here who are repeatedly asking for an alliance, I apologize. I know deep down they don’t represent the entire server, but its very easy to forget when several people say the same thing. I know many of us here fall into that trap. Mostly my words aimed at TC, were to encourage you to gain a place from 6th to 5th by pushing SoR.

To Jahn, the 60k + was aimed at both TC and SOR as you are pretty close in points throughout most of the day. BG is going to play how we want to play, if it gets us to tier 1, then so be it. It we get not quite there, then I think we’ll be ok, because beating SoR week after week is pretty fun, and after all thats why we play. And in the meantime, we’ll keep recruiting and refining our skills so that when we do get to tier 1, we will be that much more prepared.

To be honest, all fights in game are fun. And I know the vast majority of the people I’m playing the game with, aren’t here making the other servers hate their server, so its unfair to them. Alas, such is human nature.

(Still hoping for Red SOR before Red BG)

Jahn.7019:

Had BG kept TC down in the points, they probably would have been in T1 next match with SBI coming down.

But since TC is gaining points and BG seems to have SoR on the brain, they are losing their rating gain.

This matchup will probably go another 2-3 weeks, at which point, BG will have sat in T2 the longest of any “T1 ready” server and any rating gain from wins at that point will be negligible again since SoR is sitting in T2 for 8 weeks and TC will have been in there a month, TC will become the new IOJ and BG will be stuck in T2 limbo. And we’ll have BG/SoR/TC for another 6 weeks.

60k plus lead isn’t big enough for you?

First you guys complain that we win, now you are complaining that we aren’t winning by enough? I excepted this forum to be full of excuses from SoR this week, but this is the funniest one so far. We aren’t winning by enough points. lol

No, the vast majority of WvW do not know or care how or why we go up or down. All the commanders I know just don’t like SoR. So we are pushing you first. Of course, points from TC are just as good as points from SoR, but many of our goal, is to see a red colored SoR.

So TC, stop begging for an alliance with SoR, they are not going to give you one because they want the ability to attack you, to keep you in 3rd. Instead, take the fight to them, and claim your right as the color blue. (that and its easier to clear zombie trebs from blue keep than red in EBG….)